I see a lot of discussion if Luna is going to be open for transfers from the day it goes live. When I read the NC statement, it was clear for me that this was the case. But I talk with a lot of people that think otherwise. I guess NC has already decided about it. So, could we have an official response? Will it be open for transfers from day 1 or not? People need to do some planing ahead.
Well, even an answer of the "We are still considering the issue" type would be acceptable. It would mean that they may allow or they may not. Right now, some people are convinced they will and they are selling everything. I am affraid that the post that announced Luna might was misleading in that direction.
Well I explained in a follow up email how important a status update on this is for a lot of people as indeed a lot of advance planning is involved.
There are tons of people still waiting to be able to transfer to a Euro server, on my server alone two of the largest clans are waiting for it (200+ accounts) and there are way more Euro's stranded there then just them..
Well I explained in a follow up email how important a status update on this is for a lot of people as indeed a lot of advance planning is involved.
There are tons of people still waiting to be able to transfer to a Euro server, on my server alone two of the largest clans are waiting for it (200+ accounts) and there are way more Euro's stranded there then just them..
just curious ... UR and Bregan wants to leave Kain?
Honestly at this point in time I think it would almost be smart of NC to open 2 new Euro servers...one that is open for transfers immediately(or on the next maintenance period after it is up); and one that will not be open for transfer until after a year has passed.
From the responses I've seen in both the boards and in game both servers would end up with a huge influx of people.
Of course if they did that they would pretty much be signing the death warrent for most of the US servers, but then most are dead as it is. Also when Luna opens; with or without, transfers it is going to take a good sized chunk of the population from them either way.
i agree with itachi about the fun factor of low lvl but with the ammount of bots running wild on the server unchecked it would be only matter of a few weeks till the cheating ppl take the fun away.
the thing i cant understand is:
why its "still under discussion"
usually a company reviews their playerbas, decides whats best for them and then announces a new server.
atm it seems we have to wait till one of the executives wakes up in a good mood to decide a "hmm ok i feel like allowing transfers to this new computer thingy we have bought"
You know what, they just need to open up the server to transfers from the start. It just needs to be clear that players are not going to have a lot of things when they transfer. However, that can be part of the experience.
Almost like being thrown into a frontier land where you have to carve out your existence.
However, people are going to have to realize that you will get pro farmers who are going to be more than willing to "fill in the void" and start selling mats, shots etc.
The only thing I think that would mitigate this is if they offered npc's who would sell baisc mats or even just things such as shots for perhaps a month. they could make the prices slightly higher so that it would be incentive for players to create crafters, spoilers to undercut these npc prices. Then remove the npc's and let the market stabilize.
I'm not an economist so I'm not sure if this is the correct solution but Euro players are going to throw a fit if they can't transfer. I tjust will be a "different" experience.
You guys gotta admit the most fun you ever had in this game is pvping in gimp gear and the first sieges on the server.
Sure it was fun then and besides the grind it is now. Only speaking from my point of view, id hate to reroll my BH .. sub class... and get to where im at now all from scratch again.
And to agree with another poster here yea I think this new euro server is gonna put the final blow in the U.S servers, plowing the way for "possible" server mergers end of this year.
They are making Luna server in response to the "huge demand" for a euro server. Based on that then they better open it to server transfers or else the point of creating a luna server will be moot.
If they don't open for transfers from day one there will be a riot.
You think they'll care about a riot? the way Server transfers were handled seem to imply otherwise (so much whining about franz/teon being unavailable after week 1)
They'll do what they'll do, and people will whine no matter what, but they will continue to pay their subscription fee, even when they threaten with canceling their 20 accounts
Where will you get consumables? From NPC's like on the PTS? And then three ppl will go take a castle and buy a clan hall? Sounds fun to me?!
I'm not sure of your logic.
You are saying that if players buy from a npc for a small bit then a few people will buy a clan hall.
Quite frankly, if they offer clan hallls right off the bat then it doesn't matter where one gets there mats. Some clan will transfer, pool their money and buy one.
Where will you get consumables? From NPC's like on the PTS? And then three ppl will go take a castle and buy a clan hall? Sounds fun to me?!
Someone will be enterprising enough to see the potential to bring a warsmith. That person will get very rich! And if you have to worry about that kind of hardship then don't transfer. The point still stands that transfers should be allowed based on the reason for creating the server. They could make an exception for Luna and allowed a limited quantity of shots and other supplies to transfer. I'm sure the script can be changed.
Where will you get consumables? From NPC's like on the PTS? And then three ppl will go take a castle and buy a clan hall? Sounds fun to me?!
Someone will be enterprising enough to see the potential to bring a warsmith. That person will get very rich! And if you have to worry about that kind of hardship then don't transfer. The point still stands that transfers should be allowed based on the reason for creating the server. They could make an exception for Luna and allowed a limited quantity of shots and other supplies to transfer. I'm sure the script can be changed.
exactly.
An Economy is organic. No NPC's? no big deal. Somone will recognize the opportunity and as you said, will get very rich. There will of course be the "professional" farmers who will also provide mats for inflated prices until the players can have some input.
Where will you get consumables? From NPC's like on the PTS? And then three ppl will go take a castle and buy a clan hall? Sounds fun to me?!
Someone will be enterprising enough to see the potential to bring a warsmith. That person will get very rich! And if you have to worry about that kind of hardship then don't transfer. The point still stands that transfers should be allowed based on the reason for creating the server. They could make an exception for Luna and allowed a limited quantity of shots and other supplies to transfer. I'm sure the script can be changed.
More likely a few 70-80 WS will transfer over.
biggest problem will be crystals though.
I was thinking it would be more fun to start from scratch. Seiges in Brig, sounds like alot more fun than the zerg from the start. Unless one clan gets full Brig against miss-matches gear. Brig-Zerg!
IMO let the economy get set up and then allow transfers later.
I think NCSoft is almost 'obligated' to open the new Euro server to transfers.
That has certainly been the clear expectation of Euro players from the time the first transfers sort of fell apart with Teon and Franz being too full.
As for how will players get what they need? They will have to figure that out.
There will be 1500 bot accounts on the new server in 3 days anyway--so base mats won't be a problem. B, A, and S crystals will be the most pressing immediate need I would think but that will work itself out too.
As for those arguing to "start it out somehow pure without transfers"---just remember Franz. It was pristine for about 10-14 days and then was overwhelmed with bots (yes--I was there) in a wave. As soon as players started hitting D-grade the 3rd party use by players began.
Might as well just allow the transfers in from the start.
If they allow Server Transfers from Day 1, Clan Halls should not be made availble for Purchase until at least 1 month in. Castles shouldn't be siegeable until the Second or Third week.
If not, Don't open the server up to Transfer for at least 4-6 Months.
I was thinking it would be more fun to start from scratch. Seiges in Brig, sounds like alot more fun than the zerg from the start. Unless one clan gets full Brig against miss-matches gear. Brig-Zerg!
IMO let the economy get set up and then allow transfers later.
why would you let the economy get set up first and then completely ruin it with transfers?
This is an endless arguement. People waiting to transfer want to do it as soon as it opens and others believing they whould wait 6+ months before transfers. Niether side is really right it's all just personal opinion/perception.
I personaly believe they should wait and establish the server maybe wiating 6 months or so before transfers. I also understand why people ready to move want to move now. I guess we will all find out here in a couple weeks what they are going to do.
well if not open for transfers rigth away I'll pass on Luna as it will be worse then Franz with regards to people botting it up, just check the Luna section on blah where all the kids are bragging on how they will bot once it's there..
well if not open for transfers rigth away I'll pass on Luna as it will be worse then Franz with regards to people botting it up, just check the Luna section on blah where all the kids are bragging on how they will bot once it's there..
In fact on Blah and most of L2 fan board all people brag about how they will bot on Luna....
cant buy crystals without ancient adena. Also wont get any ancient adena the first week. Also need to win the cabals for the blacksmith and trader.
Might take a month before both seals are won if people are not organized.
Also no one thinks of this you pull over your mains gear but what about your subs? No c grade at all no bgrade no agrade making subbing impossible cant level in sgrade on cgrade toons.
The only reason this problem wasn't so bad on PTS was because they had cats to sell gear mats and shots. Without them people will be miserable for a very very very long time.
Anyone thinking its a good idea to open transfers up at the begining should think what the pts is like when everyone starts at 80 with limited gear.
The only reason this problem wasn't so bad on PTS was because they had cats to sell gear mats and shots. Without them people will be miserable for a very very very long time.
Anyone thinking its a good idea to open transfers up at the begining should think what the pts is like when everyone starts at 80 with limited gear.
My thoughts exactly.
The thing is that regardless the solution, NC needs to make a statement over this as soon as possible.
they can take away/adjust the limits that they put on the amount of items you can transfer to Luna as that server has no economy at all so nothing to protect or simply said their reasons for the limits do not apply on a fresh brand new server
Nobody ask you to transfer in the very first day, if u afraid of economy, ss and such things. Wait 1-2 month and transfer there when those who brave enough will make it run without whinners.
those who waited for 2nd week of transfers to go to Teon/Franz still waiting.
same thing will happen to luna IF it will be open for transfers from day 1.
If people get organized with transfers, like an entire clan, then they should go as soon as possible. Hopefully in that mix is a high level warsmith. Farm items to craft and crush for crystals, have your quest inventory ready to exchange for items (like FOTD quests), extra buffers can carry crushables for crystals, etc. The advantages include the ability to farm things and places for yourself like IoP and boss jewels. And you can set up the economy charging everyone else coming after you crazy high prices for shots.
in Korea there is a lockup of about a year for transfers to new servers, considering everything NCsoft NA does is a carbon copy of what NCsoft Korea does I dont see why they would break the mold in Luna's case
have u ever even xped or farm one time past agrade without shots tail?
The game was not designed to xp or farm without shots hence why they are now automated.
You think you do a boss raid without shots you are on some serious drugs. You can farm most quests in Ct 1.5 if you more then 6 levels above the level your suppose to do the quest so that include many of the quests your thinking about since many people have have 78 or better mains.
Yes I exped without shots well into A grade and solo mobs. I was so darn poor until I figured out how to play the market which I still do.
Luna will be a new server and will have challenges much like the pilgrims did when they sailed to a new land. You can't just run to the local stop and shop and get a new axe. If you look back at what I wrote you can see I mentioned a warsmith and the extra buffers wearing items that can be crushed. If you transfer as a team then someone has to make sacrifices. If you don't want to make the sacrifice then do not transfer.
let me put this is a better example not like piligrims
It is like your in the middle a jungle and your jeep just ran out of gas and you do not have any bullets left in your gun. No amount of working hard is going to get gas for your jeep or bullets for you gun until you build refineries and factories which is not going to be a very long time in the middle of no where.
Only took the US 200 years to catch up to Europe from when it was first settled, think of it like that.
Sorry, but your logic does not track. I can buy the no grade shots in store so that should be fine up to mid-d grade. If I were to do this, an Artie is where I would go since there are low d grade drops long before you hit the C grade. Granted it will be like open beta / v1 of the game, but those were not impossible times at all. It may in fact be loads of fun especially if they keep a close eye on that server to stop the unwanted players from getting a toe hold there.
Do you really think 6K people will either ask for transfer there or create a character? I wish it was like that but ...
Anyway, I'm remaining on Lionna as long as my clan remains there. Otherwise, I'll just start a new toon on the new server :)
were you around the first days of Franz? guess not.
if you search, you ll find screenshots with 10:1, bots:players.
you think that mass transfers wont happen from existing 2 euro servers towards Luna? wrong.
about your clan and you leaving lionna, you are in a pve clan and you re low level enough to not think about leaving things behind.
ask Ghala from your ally, if she d leave her toon and her pets behind and reroll from scratch. she wouldnt.
Sorry, but your logic does not track. I can buy the no grade shots in store so that should be fine up to mid-d grade. If I were to do this, an Artie is where I would go since there are low d grade drops long before you hit the C grade. Granted it will be like open beta / v1 of the game, but those were not impossible times at all. It may in fact be loads of fun especially if they keep a close eye on that server to stop the unwanted players from getting a toe hold there.
What are talking about is all level 78 players transfering with no low levels on the server to feed them mats or aa or other stuff.
Sorry, but your logic does not track. I can buy the no grade shots in store so that should be fine up to mid-d grade. If I were to do this, an Artie is where I would go since there are low d grade drops long before you hit the C grade. Granted it will be like open beta / v1 of the game, but those were not impossible times at all. It may in fact be loads of fun especially if they keep a close eye on that server to stop the unwanted players from getting a toe hold there.
What are talking about is all level 78 players transfering with no low levels on the server to feed them mats or aa or other stuff.
in Korea there is a lockup of about a year for transfers to new servers, considering everything NCsoft NA does is a carbon copy of what NCsoft Korea does I dont see why they would break the mold in Luna's case
If that is the case then, they would simply say so. But that would defeat the purpose of Luna (to accomodate Euro players that want to play in Euro times).
To me, the whole issue have the look and smell of sloppiness. NC has misjudged the server population ratio (Euro/NA) and oviously now they pay the price. They came up with a fast solution (new server) but now they try to figure out how the whole process will run. They seem to miss market trends.
were you around the first days of Franz? guess not.
Wrong, and I still have 7 toons on Franz between lvl 20 and 54. I also got 1 on Teon (and that was much worse a server start than Franz imo, but that's imo).
if you search, you ll find screenshots with 10:1, bots:players.
you think that mass transfers wont happen from existing 2 euro servers towards Luna? wrong.
I don't see why a european player would switch to another new european server but you seem to know better.
about your clan and you leaving lionna, you are in a pve clan and you re low level enough to not think about leaving things behind.
ask Ghala from your ally, if she d leave her toon and her pets behind and reroll from scratch. she wouldnt.
Even if I were lvl 80 with lvl 80 pets or whatever, I wouldn't pay for transfer. That's just a principle. I got characters on 7 servers and non will ever be transfered.
were you around the first days of Franz? guess not.
Wrong, and I still have 7 toons on Franz between lvl 20 and 54. I also got 1 on Teon (and that was much worse a server start than Franz imo, but that's imo).
if you search, you ll find screenshots with 10:1, bots:players.
you think that mass transfers wont happen from existing 2 euro servers towards Luna? wrong.
I don't see why a european player would switch to another new european server but you seem to know better.
about your clan and you leaving lionna, you are in a pve clan and you re low level enough to not think about leaving things behind.
ask Ghala from your ally, if she d leave her toon and her pets behind and reroll from scratch. she wouldnt.
Even if I were lvl 80 with lvl 80 pets or whatever, I wouldn't pay for transfer. That's just a principle. I got characters on 7 servers and non will ever be transfered.
dont think of everything from your PoV.
Same applies to you I guess :cool:
i definitely dont.
im one of the hundreds, trapped in empty server.
some differences between us are:
great difference of lvls
different view of the game. i play for the pvp, not for the pve.
and dear friend, lionna hasnt any.
when your main goal is pve, the best thing you have to do, is to play in empty server without any competition.
Lionna is perfect for you, for quite long time.
and about YOUR principle of not paying for transfer, this is totally on your PoV.
am i right or am i right?
kkthnxbb
I so hope they don't allow transfers to Luna, at least not for the first 6 months or so. Then, everyone would start from scratch... sounds quite fun, actually. Then comes the bot talk to crush my idyllic world.
I don't have any interest in whether transfers are allowed to Luna.
They were not when Franz was born--but then again there were no transfers available when Franz came into existence.
It seems to me that it makes sense to allow transfers to the Euro server.
I know that may not be what everyone wants--but it has sure been the opinion of many Euro players (I'm not one).
After all the clamoring (yes, and complaining) it would seem allowing transfers is almost mandatory for Luna.
This will continue the deflation of NA servers and we'll have to then see what comes of those.
Most believe mergers. We'll see.
I am afraid even if we do transfer immediately, situation will be the same. Who is going to supply A/S grade shots? Or do you think people will pay additional 50-100 bucks to transfer toons with excessive A/S stuff just to crush them? Not a bad idea but a bit costy IRL, not many people will go for it.
At least for first few weeks till quests go, materials are collected and market settles it will be pretty wild.
I am afraid even if we do transfer immediately, situation will be the same. Who is going to supply A/S grade shots? Or do you think people will pay additional 50-100 bucks to transfer toons with excessive A/S stuff just to crush them? Not a bad idea but a bit costy IRL, not many people will go for it.
At least for first few weeks till quests go, materials are collected and market settles it will be pretty wild.
1 toon with that is enough. you only need to do it till you can buy crystals for AA
I want to transfer too my toons and I don't think crafts & items will be a problem to get (hehe)
I try each day to see if the transfer is available so countdown has begun.
If they open transfer immediately most players won't come before a month, until the A and S shots are available. So they might open transfer a month after server start that would be just right.
If they open transfer immediately most players won't come before a month, until the A and S shots are available. So they might open transfer a month after server start that would be just right.
if they wait 1 month with transfer all the bot clans will have all the clanhalls
i mean what are you guys discussing ?
if you do not want to transfer to a server where you get shots easy then dont transfer the 1st day. its your personal descision to transfer only a month after why should it be disallowed for ppl that want the challenge ?
the only valid reason not to allow transfers on day 1 is if theres a line of 2k people that do not play lineage yet and would play it if they would not have to compete to ppl that are 70+/play 3years alreaddy. then it would be good for them to have a protected server of their own.
all other reasoning is to me as giving up to bots and even saying "gee we need some bots to farm us mats 1st bevore we go to a new server"
a good clan should have dwarfs to spoil mats and have knowlege about quests. a and s jewelery recs/mats are quests that you can do in mass in under a day, spoil a few extra mats, break a few items you brought and you have shots in under 2 days unless your clan is that ultra tough only archer pvp clan.
The problem is not if they allow transfers from day 1 or not. If they do, they will find a way to make the server playable (like the PTS example slycutter indicated). The problem to me is that after a week I made this thread and nearly a month before the new server goes online, there is no official response about it.
I think we all agree that planing ahead is needed for a transfer to occur. Some people will have to sell expensive items, not to mention clan halls. A month is hardly enough for such preparations. If they don't make soon an announcment, they are going to have again an angry community bashing at them, no matter what they decide on transfers.
Meh, I'm also for no transfers untill the server ppl get up abit in their lvls and things balance out.
But the most important thing (which was a huge failure on franz launch) is that there is a GM team who actively searches and instabans bots when spotted. We all know it's redicilously simple to tell if someone is a bot or not. There is no time for processing wether or not asLKJFHSFH who runs in another direction when you target his mob and types '???' when whacked might be a real player.
It would be such a relief and and a fresh breeze, for once not be mocked by private server players for still playing here along with all bots.
Meh, I'm also for no transfers untill the server ppl get up abit in their lvls and things balance out.
But the most important thing (which was a huge failure on franz launch) is that there is a GM team who actively searches and instabans bots when spotted. We all know it's redicilously simple to tell if someone is a bot or not. There is no time for processing wether or not asLKJFHSFH who runs in another direction when you target his mob and types '???' when whacked might be a real player.
It would be such a relief and and a fresh breeze, for once not be mocked by private server players for still playing here along with all bots.
I could not have said it better.... Franz was a huge failure for the GM Team on banning botted toons.
1. every argument brought here that say there wont be any shots/economy on luna is a personal argument why you would not move there. it may be valid on a personal level but has nothing to do with the descision to open transfers from day 1. people that decide to move under the condition will be aware of that and will embrace the challenge.
2. no argument should ever be based on bots and cheaters.
automated gameplay is against the rules so you might as well not bring up an argument that sais we need 3 month of bots cultivating the server bevore any real players should be alowed to move there. so lets pretend there will be no botts and ask yourselve how many month/years you want to prevent transfers so that people that leveled legit on luna (where they wont get any ebay money/ tweaked gear/ high lvl buffers) can compete with ppl that would transfer after a shutdown phase.
on a personal note:
i find it funny how ppl that clearly have no intention to move since they are na players diskuss this. especially the same ppl that strongly voiced against changing servertime on the na server to a more european friendly time. what do you want us eu ppl to do ? do another year of 4am sieges/ 3am olympiads because you feel it would be bad if we moved to a server wo economy? i personally would rather hunt deep blue bobs wo shots for 3 weeks then stay on na-timed servers another month.
I didn't make this thread for everyone to say what thinks or hopes will happen (although I knew that would be the case :) ). It is pointless since it is based on personal assesments. The reason for this thread was to start a discussion in hope that NC becomes aware that they need to say what they plan to do. This thread failed imho since we have no official response.
If NC Soft, one month before server opens, still debates if they allow transfers or not, then they have failed big time.
On the other hand, if they have already decided, they should have said so (just a yes or no) and have us waiting about the details (not perfect solution but not bad either).
I guess no one has learned that NCSoft doesn't say anything before they make an official announcement. Look @ Kameal: Hellbound. They opened a forum for discussions about hellbound but didn't release any patch notes until it was active on the PTS. Same goes for all other patches or changes to the game. When the official announcement goes out at that time we will know if there will be sever transfers to Luna. Alyra has been great at getting answers for the questions that pertain to game announcements, like she did with the server transfers.
People demand answers to question that the power that be in NCSoft don't want answered yet because they might not want to let the cat out of the bag as it where. If people would have a little patience and wait for the 30 days roughly for Luna to open you question will be answered. Just be prepared to move when it is announced so if it get closed in one week you don't have to ask when will it reopen.
Well.. Did they not tell us that Luna would go live before the end of March? :O That is about now. Lol.
For me it doesnt really matter, but for the tons off ppl who wants to know if they should keep prepairing their chars for transfer or not an answer would be quite valuable. Please NPC Soft stop being a ******* and let Alyra tell us already. Jeebus.
OH.. crapppah! And i was really looking forward to playing soon :(
had last midterm exam today and all.. KUSO!
I personally will transfer when I can. Untill then I will play a new toon on the server. But if they fail the before mentioned things that went horribly wrong in the past when a server was launched, I won't play at all. There are less frustrating options out there, in that case.
How many of you euro players will transfer if you cant transfer to luna until say Nov?
i can speak for myself only that i d be really happy to know such info and i d try another more populated server in the meantime than the one im playing now...
and when the 6 month limit was over i d transfer again to 1 of the 3 euro server, to whatever would be open.
that would mean 2 times money for NC and 4 times fun for me.
~0 fun atm.
I find it interesting that there is even any discussion on whether or not they will be allowing transfers to the new server, delay or no delay.
The entire point of it being created was to allow the Very Large euro population another place to move to since the other 2 servers are already full.
Doesnt make sense to me that there would be any restrictions on tranfers regardless of what scenarios people are dreaming up.
Venaja, this is off the news page:
March 6, 2008
New European Server (Luna) Coming in April
In a press release earlier today, we announced that the third European Server, named Luna, is expected to be open at the end of April, 2008. Stay tuned for more details!
I find it interesting that there is even any discussion on whether or not they will be allowing transfers to the new server, delay or no delay.
The entire point of it being created was to allow the Very Large euro population another place to move to since the other 2 servers are already full.
Doesnt make sense to me that there would be any restrictions on tranfers regardless of what scenarios people are dreaming up.
Venaja, this is off the news page:
March 6, 2008
New European Server (Luna) Coming in April
In a press release earlier today, we announced that the third European Server, named Luna, is expected to be open at the end of April, 2008. Stay tuned for more details!
The argument is not whether or not there will be, there obviously will, for the reasons you said. The argument is about when it will happen, right after launch or a bit later to let the server get up an economic foundation, so it wont be too ruined by the transfers.
Yeah, SoulCrusher, I miss read the month >.<
Even if the server was intended for us euros who still lurk on US servers, they might still want us to start over from scratch.
What if they count on some Franz/Teon players wanting to start fresh too. In that way leaving free space on Franz/Teon, meaning those who would like to transfer their character to an euroserver can transfer to those two servers.
****, I should have edited that first sentance.....lol
What It should have said was : I find it interesting that there is even any discussion on whether or not they will be allowing transfers to the new server right away.
Delay or no delay...... being the actual day the server is ready to use, we all know how good they are at delivering things on time.
I find it interesting that there is even any discussion on whether or not they will be allowing transfers to the new server, delay or no delay.
The entire point of it being created was to allow the Very Large euro population another place to move to since the other 2 servers are already full.
Doesnt make sense to me that there would be any restrictions on tranfers regardless of what scenarios people are dreaming up.
since there is no information, scenarios and assumptions are all we can do.
I BlackBee is the name of my motorbike.. all other derived from Bee.. as I had a pocket bike that I called LittleBee -> LillyBee - .. which was taken in Devianne.... etc etc.. ;)
I wanted to let you all know that I don't have an answer yet regarding Luna and if/when transfers will be allowed to it, but I have been assured by our team that we will let you all know as soon as possible, and before the server opens.
since when yet another "SOON(TM)" answer is excellent?
At least is still shows that she is still working for the company...
But yea.. still -1 for ninja the answer, cuz I believe that NC Staff (not you Alrya because we know you are only told what the "Players" want to be told...) already knows the answer....
uncertainity is terroristic feeling... i hate it. why can't i get to know when i can give them my 30 euros for the service i was waiting since korean launch?
maybe uncertainity is great feeling for koreans that makes them dreaming of the future and awesome challenges... reading infos like koreans l2 fan sites i can say they are happy when they make theories. maybe it's misunderstanding because of language barrier. asian languages are extremely different from european and hell hard to get real meanings.
being a euro i feel forgotten and lost if i cant get such simple information from corporation's representative. and reading "sorry guy, big boss doesn't say it even to me" i start to thing they don't care about consumer service and support.
it is a question for me, should i say "thank you ncsoft for allowing me play your wonderful game for once more!" every time when i enter l2?
I wanted to let you all know that I don't have an answer yet regarding Luna and if/when transfers will be allowed to it, but I have been assured by our team that we will let you all know as soon as possible, and before the server opens.
thanx Alyra <3
the bold part is all we wanted to know.
i really wish it was the same way when first transfers took place.
but wisdom comes through learning from our mistakes.
Bring Luna fast... Devianne is becoming a bot Haven.. Bartz, Teon and Franz already are.. get us a clean server(and active GMs with it!!!), pls!
LMAO! Do you really think for 1 min Farmers are not going mass to a new server with no economy?
Give me a Break. Farmers know more about this game then anyone. Until Someone Kills the Programmer of the Automated program that we all hate (at least all of us that don't use it) there will always be automated players. Even if someone manage to off this guy farmers will still be in the game they were there way before the automated programs came around. You just won't see trains of them. :mad:
Bots won't transfer.. newer ones will appear
But if you make their life miserable..when you see them.. they'll never be able to create a market.
Black Watch Tried that and was doing good till normal players starting killing them for loot. After the leader quit the Clan just feel apart.
Unless.. some clans start moving there.. which I hope not.
And if you remember Devi back in C3/C4.. it was possible to keep things clean.. but then.. NF and HB appeared..
you are dreamer. making transfers unavailable for some time does NOT mean bots won't appear everywhere. this can attract even more bots from those who doesn't want wait for another month etc...
Seriously now, it seems (although I am only assuming) that NC hasn't decided yet. I mean they might have decided but still won't say (for their own reasons).
The answer is not what I expected, but certainly better than nothing. Thanks anyway Alyra.
PS1. That "if/when" part is a matter that will spark discussions.
PS2. I rate Alyra with 10 on diplomatic lanuage. Her post can be interpreted in every possible way. :eek:
Hope it is a fresh start, havnt plenty of mates who never managed to play a server from start who will come and join , + the fun of everyone been lowbies is great :)
Haha...
Either Luna will be revolutionary in the way that there will only be real played toons roaming (and every attempt to the opposit will be dealt with) or Luna will just be another empty lifeboat.
it's a fresh new server with no economic system at all so who knows maybe we'll be able to move our inventory/wh with us as that would take away all the potential issues for being able to play there if you're a high level char etc. ;)
realisticly speaking I'll be just transfering enough toons to have all my mains&subs gear + enough S grade crap to crystalize to last me for months so whatever ^^
Well you also get bot transfers on top of real players so since people claim bots are good for economy be prepared to see catacombs and necro's filled up with bots on transfer day.
Staying on hinde till they see how smart an idea it is to merge all NA servers into 1 server and have more EURO servers since it looks like they gave up trying to sell this game in States.
With L2 having more Euro players than us NA players is their a reason why they haven't thought of server mergers and converting servers over to Euro times yet?
Thinking of that and doing that would make more sense and be considered updateing than so called nerfing classes in game and calling that an update if ya ask me.
nice thought Eamonn but that wont fix the lag problem for the Euro's, the Euro servers have a way better ping then the NA ones as they are based in Germany
when Luna and Teon/Franz are open again for transfers there will be several NA servers pretty much ready for merger yeah so who knows..
I wish they would hurry up and let us know what theve decided, i'll be returning to l2 even if transfer are open just means i can transfer a level 60 PP with my adena to make a new toon easier, even thou it would be less fun than a fresh all at level 1 :)
But only a couple of my friends will come if its transferable from day 1, If it is a fresh server with transfer at a min of 6 months till transfers I have 5-6 friends interested to come play and waiting for NCSoft to let us know whats happening :)
Surely a fresh start is more beneficial,
1. Bring back new players - more subscribtions - more money
2. They will be without doubt players on Franz and Teon who want to start on a fresh server, Meaning there will be less players there so those that want to transfer from the other servers to a Euro server can. :) and there still making there 20 quid a pop for a transfer.
Best of both players wanting a fresh server get one and players wanting a transfer can transfer, just my view on it :)
My friends and I are checking this post everyday for info on day 1 transfers. Please no transfer so my friends will play fresh on luna with me :)
yeah, there's the only one thnig now guaranties that you will play at luna. it is considering starting from 0.
they can open transfers after a half-year or a year, when luna becomes perma heavy red status in login screen.
well, if they would open luna for transfers from the start. where would you get B to S grade shots? you cant get that untill atleast one period of 7 signs competition has been unless you transfer a WS and crystalize what he carries.
and also i think the economy of the server in general would need atleast 2-3 months before you can transfer so you have something that the high levels can use for their needs in crafting and such.
that has been brought up before and solutions to that as well Xalya
the problem is that this topic has been discussed so thorough we're starting to run circles..
NC Soft seriously needs to give us an answer on what it will be and at least a week in advance, to be honest to give hero's a chance it should be even a Month in advance.
What they could do is let the level 40 transfer after one month, 50 after 2 monthes and everybody after 3 monthes. So this would not be a too long wait and would not disadvantage too much fresh players.
well, if they would open luna for transfers from the start. where would you get B to S grade shots? you cant get that untill atleast one period of 7 signs competition has been unless you transfer a WS and crystalize what he carries.
and also i think the economy of the server in general would need atleast 2-3 months before you can transfer so you have something that the high levels can use for their needs in crafting and such.
i agree to spend a week out of SS rather than spending another half-year on deserted and devastated server.
also, any number of high-leveled toon will not impact pre-S (or maybe pre-A if there're a lot of a grade travellers lol) economy at all. even a grade economy is quite different from s grade economy that 78+ toons belong to.
i have nothing to do an my server. i have 77 shillien saint (i was lazy to make a job quest, but i had nothing better to do lol) with a bit leveled bd subclass. i have 73 lvl SH (it was very fun to xp it :p). i have 76 lvl BD. i have 62 lvl WS. i have that JUST because of THERE IS NOTHING to do beside leveling another toon. :)
i'm sure i can reflect most of my need with this team. :p
i agree to spend a week out of SS rather than spending another half-year on deserted and devastated server.
thats the most important of everything, listed above.
just an FYI towards NC. We. re NOT having fun anymore. a server of a MMORPG with less than (according to that site that USED TO check the live connections) 1000 players, where half are soulless, is not an MMO. its just another online game.
What they could do is let the level 40 transfer after one month, 50 after 2 monthes and everybody after 3 monthes. So this would not be a too long wait and would not disadvantage too much fresh players.
this is ridiculous. remembering franz's history, first 76+ (legit!) toons appear there within 2 months, if my memory doesn't fail. even 1 month is huge advantage for those who starts there from 0.
there are way more ppl waiting for transfer to a Euro server then those that want to start botting, lol Franz anyone ?, err lvl legit I mean from lvl1 on a "fresh" new one
What they could do is let the level 40 transfer after one month, 50 after 2 monthes and everybody after 3 monthes. So this would not be a too long wait and would not disadvantage too much fresh players.
this is ridiculous. remembering franz's history, first 76+ (legit!) toons appear there within 2 months, if my memory doesn't fail. even 1 month is huge advantage for those who starts there from 0.
So what is ridiculous? If you can be 76+ in 2 monthes this is perfect timing. You wait 3 monthes if you are 76-80 and are not overly advantaged over the fresh new players. Though I doubt the stuff would be the same.
So what is ridiculous? If you can be 76+ in 2 monthes this is perfect timing. You wait 3 monthes if you are 76-80 and are not overly advantaged over the fresh new players. Though I doubt the stuff would be the same.
i think, if there is paid services, them should work for any servers that are maintained by NCNA/NCEU team. time factor is not a factor for such servers. i think, high leveled toon can nothing but help newbies selling them unnecessary stuff and making some hard to get stuff from harder places available at market. do you realize that this guy and girls will do part of the work that our silent friend with specific names usually do.
Lets hope they announce what is happening with Luna sometime this week, Its about time they cleared things up with fresh/transferable et etc.
yeah, it's time to announce. but it's ncsoft. i'm sure, we'll have an announce the next day after we will to know, if transfers are available, by empiric way. xD
i think, if there is paid services, them should work for any servers that are maintained by NCNA/NCEU team. time factor is not a factor for such servers. i think, high leveled toon can nothing but help newbies selling them unnecessary stuff and making some hard to get stuff from harder places available at market. do you realize that this guy and girls will do part of the work that our silent friend with specific names usually do.
No more level competition, castles taken early with taxes rate making stuff more expensive. Also high level crafting will drain materials sources making impossible for a low level to get anything crafted. Insane prices on AA making it hard to upgrade C and D weapons.
I see mostly disadvantages for those who want to start fresh.
By the time there is at least one level 75 on Luna then transfers should open. It won't take too long, there will be supplies of A and S gems, and you could have farm AA with an alt you can create from day 1. I agree one year on Franz was too long but 3 monthes would be fair for everyone.
what most ppl forget in all of this is the clan aspect:
we took a clanvote to decide if we would move to luna from dev and more then 30 people voted to rebuild the clan there.
these people are a good mix of hardcore and casual players, all in need for european timed events like sieges/olympiad/drop events...
without transfers:
- the moderate players that spend 3-4 years to get into lvl 70 start from scratch ?
- transfering 4month (or even 2 weeks) later means that the clanhalls will be occupied and theres no use to transfer and rebuild as a clan
- wait another x month with bad siege participation because teon/franz are full till we can transfer ?
imho people should view this discussion only from individual needs but watch out for the clan situation as well.
we are a healthy clan supporting bh and ws. lack of mats dont scare at all with people that can spoil, know their quests, manor and other things.
imho the the empty market is only scary for the big bad solo pvpers that spam shots all day in fotd/vob and litter it with adena to ebay what they need at the end of the month.
From clan transfer point of view: transfer from day 1, quick take a castle and a clan hall
From soloer point of view, play from day 1, be the first to level 75, or the first to get the DSS recipe and make 1 million on server
From clan playing from day 1, be the first on server to get mark of blood, to buy a clan hall
There is a need to find a compromise. You still get conquerable clan halls, I doubt anyone but other clans transferring could challenge you on that after 3 monthes live.
Personally, if I play there, the later I see 15% taxes at Giran the better.
NCSoft will decide however, 2 monthes delay is still acceptable, less would be harsh for players created on Luna.
Two weeks untill the end of April where Luna is expected to go live and no news yet on transfers. I refuse to believe that the actual decision (barring technical details) has not been taken up to now.
The only question is why NC keeps this a secret. Do they think that it is helpful to the playerbase?
I think NA/Europe L2 is not really that important to them, since most of the playerbase for L2, and thus relevant to the game's future, is not here but with our asian friends.
When did they ever bother doing things transparently and with plenty of information and in time? Never.
I think NA/Europe L2 is not really that important to them, since most of the playerbase for L2, and thus relevant to the game's future, is not here but with our asian friends.
When did they ever bother doing things transparently and with plenty of information and in time? Never.
They didn't decided to open a new server because they had nothing else to do. They expect to make money and/or sutisfy community with it.
One would think.. but that does not explain their attitude, they have serios problems in communication with their customers, meaning us.
Nothing new there huh? Yeah.
And I seriously doubt the new server will bring so many new players, it will only offer a place for NA server players to switch to european time.... So their concern might only be to keep their players then anything else?
If you are so concerned about transfer to luna when it opens, be ready for it. You know the rules for transfers and be ready to click that button as soon as possible. This way you can't cry there wasn't any advanced notice about transfers and you missed it.
what most ppl forget in all of this is the clan aspect:
we took a clanvote to decide if we would move to luna from dev and more then 30 people voted to rebuild the clan there.
these people are a good mix of hardcore and casual players, all in need for european timed events like sieges/olympiad/drop events...
without transfers:
- the moderate players that spend 3-4 years to get into lvl 70 start from scratch ?
- transfering 4month (or even 2 weeks) later means that the clanhalls will be occupied and theres no use to transfer and rebuild as a clan
- wait another x month with bad siege participation because teon/franz are full till we can transfer ?
imho people should view this discussion only from individual needs but watch out for the clan situation as well.
we are a healthy clan supporting bh and ws. lack of mats dont scare at all with people that can spoil, know their quests, manor and other things.
imho the the empty market is only scary for the big bad solo pvpers that spam shots all day in fotd/vob and litter it with adena to ebay what they need at the end of the month.
hit me up on here :), were another ragtag group of friends and a few people from the same clan but we do got a warsmith already from the start (me) and would be happy to help out a few people with stuff :) (in exchange for other help but that can be talked about ^^)
Two weeks untill the end of April where Luna is expected to go live and no news yet on transfers. I refuse to believe that the actual decision (barring technical details) has not been taken up to now.
The only question is why NC keeps this a secret. Do they think that it is helpful to the playerbase?
2 months? ya making it less and less, how about 2 years lol (just kidding :P), 6 months would be more appropiate tbh
If you are so concerned about transfer to luna when it opens, be ready for it. You know the rules for transfers and be ready to click that button as soon as possible. This way you can't cry there wasn't any advanced notice about transfers and you missed it.
People that want to move to Luna, need to know it in advance so they can sell their items in normal prices and not practically give them away. What if someone sells everything at really low prices to get as much money he can and then gets stuck on his server for the next 4 months? Good game?
Furhtermore, some people will decide to move only if tranffers are allowed immediately and not after 3-4 months.
Lastly, a person that doesn't want to move to Luna but plays the market wants also to plan ahead accordingly.
I hope these are not so hard for you to understand (I consider them self-evident but whatever)
Two weeks untill the end of April where Luna is expected to go live and no news yet on transfers. I refuse to believe that the actual decision (barring technical details) has not been taken up to now.
The only question is why NC keeps this a secret. Do they think that it is helpful to the playerbase?
They are at a Round Table debating on opening for transfers or not. Until they can come to an agreement on that there is no point in posting an update on somthing they are not sure of them selves. ;)
- transfering 4month (or even 2 weeks) later means that the clanhalls will be occupied and theres no use to transfer and rebuild as a clan
It works two ways there, Anyone or any clan planing to get together and start here if theres transfers means that by time they get a clan formed and leveled up all the clans who've transfered there will already have the clan halls giving nothing for the new guys to get, Also maybe even have castles locked down.
No more level competition, castles taken early with taxes rate making stuff more expensive. Also high level crafting will drain materials sources making impossible for a low level to get anything crafted. Insane prices on AA making it hard to upgrade C and D weapons.
most advanced clan will get stronger and will dominate over the server. stuff for at least half-year will be very expensive in any kind and after a moth or two there will be huge a/s-grade crafting server-wide process. which will flush any kept resources if there are any. the scale of transferred players craft is nothing in comparison to the scale of sea of massive a/s crafts.
castles ect wil take dominating clan/ally. and nobody will really challenge them in siege fields and exp fields both. do you really remember franz's history where syncicate/RM were domination more than whole first year. and some transferred char will change nothing. they will just dissolve in growing up native luna's forces and nothing will happen.
I see mostly disadvantages for those who want to start fresh.
you just trapped into your own fear of overestimates.
By the time there is at least one level 75 on Luna then transfers should open. It won't take too long, there will be supplies of A and S gems, and you could have farm AA with an alt you can create from day 1. I agree one year on Franz was too long but 3 monthes would be fair for everyone.
as you can see, you arguments are based on your own thoughts and overestimates. so... there's no any actual need to shift the time of server transfer launch from the day 1.