I just want to give a quick update on what's currently going on in the world of Lineage II.
Luna, the new European server that we have been talking about for a while now is almost here! The server will go live with the launch of our new update Hellbound. After much internal and public debate, we have decided to not allow character server transfers to Luna, immediately at live launch. We do plan to offer transfers to Luna at a later date. This should give new and old players a fresh start, and allow for the economy to be established before we insert higher level players.
In regards to account services, we will be re-enabling limited server transfers to servers 9 and 10 (Teon and Franz respectively) in May. Our goal is to offer a small number of transfer slots each week on a continuous basis. When the changes go live, the PlayNC system should display to you when Teon and Franz are available to transfer to. Stay tuned for further updates.
Finally, we will be launching Hellbound to the live servers next Wednesday April 23rd. There will be no regular maintenance on Tuesday April 22nd. Item distribution and account services will be executed during update maintenance on Wednesday the 23rd.
any idea how a clan would get a clanhall in aden/rune on luna if it wants to migrate from another server to european times other then to ignore their old chars and grind up up new toons on luna like mad ?
and how long will it take to establish an economie if you want to allow transfers of lvl 80 ppl with 700mil+gear on a later date ?
imho this is again a blow against people working their a.. off to keep clans together to please some loud voiced minority
Finally the official response I was looking for. It was late due to debates (internal and public). I believe this should have been planned better. NC should have announced Luna after they had decided the transfer issue. Or they should have made a poll from the begining (Allow transfers or no). people wouldn't have to speculate and wonder. This was far from helpful for the community.
In regards to account services, we will be re-enabling limited server transfers to servers 9 and 10 (Teon and Franz respectively) in May. Our goal is to offer a small number of transfer slots each week on a continuous basis. When the changes go live, the PlayNC system should display to you when Teon and Franz are available to transfer to. Stay tuned for further updates.
just a small clarification on the above quote.
transfers will be allowed for some players on this weekly basis?
so, i might see teon, open on my main and closed on my buffpet? or something like that?
and this will be a nice way to break friendships and clans cause i might transfer now and the rest will accidently happen to be able to transfer 1 month later?
the slots for transferring to teon/franz are first come first serve i would imagine....why in the world would they block transfer options on certain plaync accounts?
Luna, the new European server that we have been talking about for a while now is almost here! The server will go live with the launch of our new update Hellbound. After much internal and public debate, we have decided to not allow character server transfers to Luna, immediately at live launch. We do plan to offer transfers to Luna at a later date. This should give new and old players a fresh start, and allow for the economy to be established before we insert higher level players.
In regards to account services, we will be re-enabling limited server transfers to servers 9 and 10 (Teon and Franz respectively) in May. Our goal is to offer a small number of transfer slots each week on a continuous basis. When the changes go live, the PlayNC system should display to you when Teon and Franz are available to transfer to. Stay tuned for further updates.
this makes me sad :(
any idea how a clan would get a clanhall in aden/rune on luna if it wants to migrate from another server to european times other then to ignore their old chars and grind up up new toons on luna like mad ?
and how long will it take to establish an economie if you want to allow transfers of lvl 80 ppl with 700mil+gear on a later date ?
imho this is again a blow against people working their a.. off to keep clans together to please some loud voiced minority
I feel with you Craylon. An other thing that bothers me is the unfearness in this. European players on the US servers have to wait far longer then players from Teon/Franz. This way, they'll grab all clanhalls and those who come from the US servers have no way to get one normally.
IMO all server transfers to Luna should start at a same time, and not the way it is arranged now.
Yeah you just read that bad, they will allow transfers TO teon/franz on a weekly number. Luna will not be open for transfers at all till there is some economy established.
I don't really see why people are complaining about Luna, it was fairly obvious and logical they wouldn't allow transfers from the beginning.
When I first read the news for a new European server, it was obvious to me thet it would be open for transfers at once. But later on I begun having suspicions that this would not be the case, so i started the "Luna will be open for transfers?" thread.
This is part of the initial announcement NC did about Luna:
The players on Teon and Franz and the rest of our European player community made it very clear to us that there is a great need for a new European server. We listened to you feedback, and have made that a priority.
It is obvious that the existing community demaded a new server and ofc not to start new toons, but rather transfer their existing ones instantly. People are willing to go to a "no economy" server. NC should find some ways to accomodate that (as a transient period), instead of closing the server to "create economy".
as a clanleader of a european clan on a na server for me that means:
after seeing some people move to bartz when transfer was allowed
after seeing some people move to teon
im now loosing the lower lvl that dont mind starting over to luna
i myselve cant swich to european times after playing this game for 4 years because the only server that would allow for a fair competition for clanhalls doesnt allow me to transfer there. and lets be realistic. if u play this game without cheating you will need 6+month to s grade starting with a naked t00n and 0 money just to get rushed by lvl 81 players that will transfer later.
maybe its an interesting move to get in new players and shelter them a bit from the old players but it doesnt satify the demand of the existing community to move to euro servers at all.
a limited transfer to teon/ franz is even the worst case szenario for clans ending up split on the old and new server.
When I first read the news for a new European server, it was obvious to me thet it would be open for transfers at once. But later on I begun having suspicions that this would not be the case, so i started the "Luna will be open for transfers?" thread.
This is part of the initial announcement NC did about Luna:
The players on Teon and Franz and the rest of our European player community made it very clear to us that there is a great need for a new European server. We listened to you feedback, and have made that a priority.
It is obvious that the existing community demaded a new server and ofc not to start new toons, but rather transfer their existing ones instantly. People are willing to go to a "no economy" server. NC should find some ways to accomodate that (as a transient period), instead of closing the server to "create economy".
People from Tean and Franz were asking for another euro-server to get their over-populated servers a bit of space...
With 1 more euro server,all new players (even some old) would move there seeing it's light/normal,instead of the 24/7 heavy Teon/Franz...
So,no...They didn't imply that players from Teon/Franz were asking for a new server to transfer to...
They just created another server for the euro-time player base to be able to play in....
When at some point,that server has an established economy/player base,that server will be open for transfers...
I'm european.. and I chose Devianne, because it had a lot less mindless than Teon/Franz.
When I heard of the possibility of a new server I said.. finally.. time to go to Europe. But.. NCSoft won't let me... at least not for the time being.
As for economy.. NCSoft could use exactly the same M.O. as they use on PTS, to establish a small economy.. and when things got better.. they could remove the cats.
Yeah you just read that bad, they will allow transfers TO teon/franz on a weekly number. Luna will not be open for transfers at all till there is some economy established.
I don't really see why people are complaining about Luna, it was fairly obvious and logical they wouldn't allow transfers from the beginning.
Well, one who will win, is a cheaters. Since its not big problem to set up new automated group on fresh new server, buy clanhall and so on.
I doubt that luna will get some special attention from GMs, thats only option to block cheatin there.
So, welcome to Franz #2 ?
About "freshstarters" you'll see what the automated horror is and either u become automated yourself or you will lose all the ground very soon ) Its like, u can kill auto-trains without fear on your server now, but with new server they will have a "protector" that will be higher level that u can reach in nearest future ) rang-rang ) pkpk ? )
LOL to EU players, thats still locked on NA servers, u got all u waited and was begging for - another wait period, then maybe... or maybe not ) SOL
I was pretty optimistic about new changes ) but those one who told me - it is ncsoft, was right again )
In nearest future server will look like:
transfer allowed after 1 month:
smart clans and $$makers - set their auto-trains to farm adena/sp to buy maximum possible clanhalls and to level clan, after transfer clan will be moved to legal toon rest will be sent into trash can
transfer allowed after 3 month:
same issue, but every clanhall in every village will be bought for resale. Adena/mats supply ready for those who willing to cheat
transfer after 6 month:
server(light) is fully-automated with few legal players struggling there and crying about cheaters, since everyone who doesn't care already transfered to teon/frantz as better option and rest is gone for good.
I wonder how many will giveup their wait after this announce with a new "somewhere later" promise )
Sorry for my anger, I hope it was at least a bit polite.
if "allow for the economy to be established" means turn a blind eye on any kind of cheating im out of this game for good after hoping for a new european server for 4 years defending nc and this game all this time.
if theres a good gm force that keeps the cheaters out of luna id say i even be willing to rest my lvl 80 toon and start with a new t00n
with this move nc and the gms brought upon themselves a situation where you can measure if the official policy is to make this game easy for cheaters or fair for legit players.
In regards to account services, we will be re-enabling limited server transfers to servers 9 and 10 (Teon and Franz respectively) in May. Our goal is to offer a small number of transfer slots each week on a continuous basis. When the changes go live, the PlayNC system should display to you when Teon and Franz are available to transfer to. Stay tuned for further updates.
If it is this part you refering to he says that they will open up slots on teon and franz server so people can tranfer there and not like you mean it that they get first rights to luna
All I hope for,is for those moron-I-am-uber-coz-I-am-automaticly-going-up-to-S-grade to move to Luna
and start their "classic" leveling to prove they are uber in another new server...
If that means that autolvlers leave from the server I am in to the new one,then all I have to say is:
Bye-bye,you won't be missed...
On a second note...
We all know how the economy of a new server will be established...
And if NC Soft works as they are now on checking 3rd party software users (and I'm sure they are),
we all know what Luna starting areas will look like from milli-second 1 it comes up...
All I hope for,is for those moron-I-am-uber-coz-I-am-automaticly-going-up-to-S-grade to move to Luna
and start their "classic" leveling to prove they are uber in another new server...
If that means that autolvlers leave from the server I am in to the new one,then all I have to say is:
Bye-bye,you won't be missed...
On a second note...
We all know how the economy of a new server will be established...
And if NC Soft works as they are now on checking 3rd party software users (and I'm sure they are),
we all know what Luna starting areas will look like from milli-second 1 it comes up...
they ll keep doing it. what makes you think it ll be any other way?
and even if you ignore them, (the amateur soulless that are doing it for teh powah) just check on the pro-farmers.
it ll be a b0t-orgy and my predictions are that it ll be x10 times more intense than Franz used to.
The players on Teon and Franz and the rest of our European player community made it very clear to us that there is a great need for a new European server. We listened to you feedback, and have made that a priority.
It is obvious that the existing community demaded a new server and ofc not to start new toons, but rather transfer their existing ones instantly. People are willing to go to a "no economy" server. NC should find some ways to accomodate that (as a transient period), instead of closing the server to "create economy".
But the existing "Teon and Franz community" will move lots of their active accounts onto this "closed" Luna, will create the economy there, will buy CHs, and then will join with their "main" toons, epics and stuff when the transfers are eventually allowed.
Those who will transfer at a later date will still have conquerrable clan halls to take over so it's more than fair imho, unless the transfers happen very late which shouldn't happen.
Those who will transfer at a later date will still have conquerrable clan halls to take over so it's more than fair imho, unless the transfers happen very late which shouldn't happen.
They should wait a year and give people that earn they money and lvls on Luna a shot at the Clan halls instead of letting some one just transfer to Luna and take the clan halls. If your on a server now with a clan hall good for you.
That does not mean you have more rights to take a clan hall on another server becasue you have one on the server you have played years on.
The give people information and not 1 day before or same day like they have done in the past and people still not happy.
Me I'm still happy with the game and my server I guess I'm lucky. Will I transfer to Luna hell no. will I make an alt on Luna of course I have an Alt on every server.
In regards to account services, we will be re-enabling limited server transfers to servers 9 and 10 (Teon and Franz respectively) in May. Our goal is to offer a small number of transfer slots each week on a continuous basis.
Ornery
this may or the next?
even worse, how will they pick who will be able to transfer ?
if its gonna be alphabetical, im totally screwed :)
me keeping a clanhall on a na server means one less clanhall there for a na clan on dev
me not being able to compete for a clanhall on luna means 1 more bot clan in power there
listening to u wouldnt have changed the fact that im stuck with sieges at 3am and not beeing able to do olympiad
the ppl i should have listened to were dynasty 3.5 years ago to move my carebear [censored] to another game ;)
I have a few questions:
A) How long before Luna is open for transfers? Is there gonna be a set time or are you gonna monitor until you see the first noblesses or some other milestone you have in mind?
B)Can you clarify that thing about transfers to Teon/Franz a bit? Like how many will be able to move every week or something like that?
I have a few questions:
A) How long before Luna is open for transfers? Is there gonna be a set time or are you gonna monitor until you see the first noblesses or some other milestone you have in mind?
O come on now after the Quote Below
After much internal and public debate, we have decided to not allow character server transfers to Luna, immediately at live launch.
Do you really think they will have an answer for your question anytime soon?
Like every other server isn't driven by botted adena at the top end of the market. Maybe that's the problem, there wouldn't be any if you allowed transfers straight off.
It's about time someone realised that there is no flood of new players picking up L2. Who exactly would it spoil things for if they allowed transfers straight away?
It's been discussed already and it's too late now the decision has been taken.
To me it would spoil things if transfers were allowed right away because I don't want to pay 15% castle taxes the second week, and others reasons explained before.
Well that's bad news.
Luna was ment to be opened for EU players still stuck on the NA servers. If you go back and see the NC notes they say just that: your complaints, requests etc were listened and a new server for you will be opened. So it was meant for them not for attracting new players.
As for establishing economy and buying CHs we all know how it's gonna go...botting all the way.
Just a fact for example: I heard people that already transfered to other servers started to bot trains of trial accounts for academy rep points. And that doesn't take more than 14 days (duration of trial accounts). And IF banned who cares, they just start another. Normally NC should not allow rep points being gained from trial accounts. But anyway even without that train bots will still rule the new land of Luna and provide means to get clan halls for the later arriving clans or sell them to those clans :(
If NC really has the means to keep the Luna server clean of bots (if not all the servers) now it's the time to do it and maybe then i and many others would try to start over to help put the basis of a new clan there. Else it will be just like Franz where now everyone is consider stupid if he doesn't bot or they speak openly about bot program settings and latest versions of [censored] or other bot software...
I hate to say this but I think it's their expectation that Luna is still there for EU players... just that they have to start over.
Having said that, is there a new group of EU players who will descend upon L2?
The only thing that I can think is that EU players should make their lvl 1 character for the future transfer and then make some character that will make money so that they can take advantage of a new economy.
Unless there are players who really enjoy starting over again.
On the other hand Teon and Franz transfers reopen so you can transfer there.
Seriously you cannot get new players on Luna if you are going to invade it first day with a horde of level 80 players, steel would go 20k or worse day and transfers day one won't prevent bots to come.
Luna was meant for the rest of EU players from NA servers. If they want to do it they can fix something, maybe temporary NPC selling some mats for 2 weeks or so. Bots will still be there if no action against them will be taken but will be much of them if transfers would be allowed from day 1.
The practical consequences of not opening transfers to Luna for a european based clan will be the following different cases.
1. That it will stay on NA server with no option to do sieges or olympiad. Therefore it will decay with time.
2. That it will make alts on Luna to get a clan hall and start clan. They will compete against bots in which they cannot win. It will cause tension for those that do these alts and for those who set personal goals on the old server in order to transfer, thereby breaking the clan even before it gets anywhere.
3. The clan is put in a state of apathy untill Luna is opened and gets there with all the clan halls owned by bots and clan decimeted.
4. The clan will be broken by sending a few ppl to Franz/Teon at a time and when all arrive no clan hall.
The only ones that will gain from NOT opening this are:
1. Completly new players.
2. big grps of ppl that are real life buddies and that are efficient
3. bots and these will be the biggest winners.
With an opening of Luna instantly would mean a fair chance for all those europeans that wish to compete for the servers clan halls and so on, which they already fought for in 4 years. Now this decision destroyes it and give an advantage to those illegal players and only demoralices the old europlayers.
It was because we are so many europlayers that u r opening Luna, but now this only comes like slap in our face. It is the worst situation u can put an euro clan in... in pure Limbo
I know u wish to protect new players and make time to grow an economy. But frankly with all these new updates of late, the new players never had it so easy to reach end game stuff. It seems to me that u wish ppl to skip the low and mid game content anyway. So there is no need to do that... Secondly waiting for an economy to grow is not an arguement still. It could have easily been fixed by simply having those event cats giving ss/bsps for a week or two. It would have stimulated team work within a clan to help each other for spoils/mats in this briefly time with no items on the market.
I urge u to change ur decision before 'tis already to late after being already to late...U got 1-2 weeks to open it for transfer or the harm is already done forever for us that has been waiting for this.
urs truely and dedicated L2 player that thinks L2 is as a game lightyears ahead of any other mmorpg,
1. That it will stay on NA server with no option to do sieges or olympiad. Therefore it will decay with time.
2. That it will make alts on Luna to get a clan hall and start clan. They will compete against bots in which they cannot win. It will cause tension for those that do these alts and for those who set personal goals on the old server in order to transfer, thereby breaking the clan even before it gets anywhere.
3. The clan is put in a state of apathy untill Luna is opened and gets there with all the clan halls owned by bots and clan decimeted.
4. The clan will be broken by sending a few ppl to Franz/Teon at a time and when all arrive no clan hall.
1) True..
2) Best option, but your kidding yourself if you think the clan wont bot too.
3) Semi true. The clan should seek to gain as much wealth as they can possibly transfer over to be ready. Gather items that will be hard to get.. elemental stones (make sure all weapons are done), certain quests carrying over that you could do on main but not on Luna, etc etc.
4) True.
However, you are over estimating the importance of a clan hall in my opinion.
You have a easy option, and that is a Fortress. They are extremely easy to take, and even with them going "unoccupied" after a certain time, you can just take it again. They are located in better places even then clan halls. (Nothing like opening the doors and going hunting, no port required.)
You've also got, again, alot of conquerable clan halls that you did not have before, some of which have better sale items then Aden/Rune CH's. (Fortress of the Dead I'm lookin at you kid!)
me keeping a clanhall on a na server means one less clanhall there for a na clan on dev
me not being able to compete for a clanhall on luna means 1 more bot clan in power there
listening to u wouldnt have changed the fact that im stuck with sieges at 3am and not beeing able to do olympiad
the ppl i should have listened to were dynasty 3.5 years ago to move my carebear [censored] to another game ;)
Now that EM disbanned there are only 3 NA clans on Dev all of us have clan halls so lol
Like every other server isn't driven by botted adena at the top end of the market. Maybe that's the problem, there wouldn't be any if you allowed transfers straight off.
It's about time someone realised that there is no flood of new players picking up L2. Who exactly would it spoil things for if they allowed transfers straight away?
I hope you are being sarcastic. I would hate to think what kind of mind would really not know the answer :confused:
I may be misunderstanding this but. If anyone really wants to move to Luna then they will start over on that server with thier clan. Build as much as you can as fast as you can with the help of your clan mates. Take advantage of knowing the game, what sells at what lvls and how to obtain those items. If a hole clan started the same day on Luna and pooled thier resources they would have a very good chance at getting a clan hall. Maybe not the one you want but you should be able to get one. If NcSoft is going to wait 6 months or longer before transfers you could very well be as high as your main is now or close to it, Maybe not alts but main. Then once they allow transfers then move the toons you want over to Luna.
Yes I agree it's not the ideal situation but if Na servers are that bad for you and you must move then that's your best option. Complaining on these boards won't get you any closer to a CH, fortress, castle, or anything else on Luna than actually playing on it when it opens.
Kruken, you don't realise simple thing. Everyone already did their best to make their clan rock, spent years of playtime to achieve something, with transfer open many servers become deserted, for euro players there is no alternatives. Ally with ~200 players can't move anywhere in current circumstains and even later on.
Moving on Bartz - ain't an option for euro player, since it will cost a lot to move and get all disadvantages you had.
Moving to Frantz/Teon even if it were possible, still very bad choice, since clans there don't wait for anyone and holding their ground pretty well, so it will take a LOT really a LOT of work to achieve something, for example 7 clan lvl i'm not talking about 8 or 9, since can u imagine concurention on CRP bosses at the FULL server? We not freshmens to start it over, ncsoft is not offering even some normal service and lineage2 not that good game to spend few more years starting from the scratch.
Luna was the only option for such oldies to continue their living under the sun of aden, everyone has waited for it long enough already. And what we got at the end? Our longwaited servers was given to freshmens, not to us.
We old, pretty old. We can do much better then botters even imagine to be. But we don't have no motivation and no trust in the future. Ncsoft fooled us many times before, why something should change?
Current situation in fact look like, there won't be an options to transfer for those large allies, even if we work our azzes out with new toons on new server, there is no ETA or any guartantee that it will take some resonable time. So lol, should we forget about everything we had start from the scratch and wait 6-12 month to be able to move in another, not even good enviroment, spending $50x200 (actually u can multiply it by x3 or even x4, since everyone need few alts).
Don't u think its not an option?
Okay, ncsoft made their choice, they don't want us. They want new blood for their game. Its very sad, but true. Many of us will quit pretty soon, since there is nothing we can do in this game anymore. Few will stay. But does it really matter to ncsoft? They will lose ~500-800 accounts for already deserted servers, not a big deal. One bot group will cover all expenses.
@nagh i couldnt have said it better
from a clan leaders pow nc really does everything in their power to bring us down
@kruken we will try something like that
but it really asks a lot of the clannies to stop playing their chars just as brand new content is introduced for a small chance to get a decent clanhall
and after all lets be realistic, we wont compete against 2k people that out of the blue decided l2 is a great game and they wanna play it on a fresh new server. we will compete against 500+people that cheat on other servers now and transfer there to make a fast buck.
I don't know why people thought they could transfer from day 1. Think about what would happen:
Day 1: Server opens and loads of people transfer over. People with loads of money, who all want a Rune / Goddard / Aden CH. Result is that they will have to pay max price for them.
Day 2: First wars start. People will be fighting without CP pots and shots, as there are no crystals available (Unless people are planning on paying $50 to transfer a toon fully geared to crush it all for crystals).
Day 3: First archers will start complaining they cannot lvl, no mats to craft arrows or rediculously expensive. Noone has a dagger cause you can bring only 1 weapon.
Day 4: People will realise it will take weeks or even months for them to gather enough materials to do any crafting. Most WS will quit because they cannot do anything, not enough FS to supply mats.
Day 5: People will quit, waiting for the market to stabilize, not wanting to lvl without shots. They'll come back once the farmers have reached high enough lvl's.
Day 5: People will quit, waiting for the market to stabilize, not wanting to lvl without shots. They'll come back once the farmers have reached high enough lvl's.
Well, my feeling on this is simply let Luna open Clan Halls at a Progression that we experienced with Lineage over time. What I mean is this...
Figure out a rough date in which you feel Server Transfers should be permitted to Luna, lets say Hypothtically 9 Months...
No clan halls will be available for sale for the first month of Luna. None, nor should there be Siegeable Clan Halls.
After the First Month that Luna has been open... allow the Auction of ONLY Gludio, Gludin and Dion Clan Halls.
After 2 Months or so, let the Siegeable Clan halls finally work.
After 4 Months, allow the Auction of Schuggart Clan halls.
After 5 Months, allow the auction of ONLY Giran and Aden Clan Halls.
When Server transfers are finally allowed to Luna, then Permit the Auction of Goddard and Rune Clan Halls the week AFTER the first transfers come in.
The reason I say this is, I don't think its fair that only those who start from NEW on Luna should have the first dibbs on on all of the clan halls, for all the above stated reasons, and I don't think its fair to those long time Euro Players get screwed out of them.... BUT, I also don't think it would be fair to those who DO START FRESH on Luna shouldn't be allowed a crack at the Clan Halls. I think this is a fair distribution of the Clan Halls.
Why was not simply taken server with most logged EU ip adresses and changed to EU time ? Wont be this more easy ? Who will after 2-3 years start from scratch ? Only one real idiot..there are no benefits to start new when somebody has sub already...he can forget for few months mass pvp :(
You 're all whining for no reason ... like I said in another thread some time ago, NCsoft korea locks transfers to a new server and NCsoft NA has *never* deviated from what NCsoft korea does.
My guess, if luna flops ie it only manages like 1-2k actives, they will open up transfers there soon. If it's busy though good luck, a new server to most people means a chance at a fresh start, whether they are unhappy at their current server or whether they start retail now ... so no, if Luna is busy it will make no sense to kill the fresh server by allowing transfers soon ... if you re that hellbent on eventually transfering your clan there make a dorf clan in luna, make money, try to buy ch etc etc
yeah great idea ,
waiting 6 month for a cool update like ct1.5 to leave ur s grader to make a dwarf clan on another server :)
the problem is if luna flops there still wont be any clanhalls left unless nc does something like suggested above cause it needs only a 10-20 cheaters and not 2k to mess up things there.
well i think franz showed us all what happens when a new server starts from scratch...
first 3 months 99.9% of the ppl will be automated....wontbe any hope of moving in the newbie towns for the first 4 weeks...
And maybe not having transfers is NCSofts way of milking more money out of current players by making them start from scratch all over again and thus wasting the last 1,2,3 yrs to do it all again...
no thanks...
PS as for transfers in thenear future - dont forget they first annouced that server transfers would be coming soon in MAY 2004...
well my point is this ..... say luna gets 5k new people playing there, hypothetical example.
Those 5k people wont like you transfering 50 toons with 700m each and buying all the chs, so yeah live with it. They said new server not a server for all those euro timezone people that play an NA server ;)
Besides, clan halls will go on auction immediately, nobody said spend 6 months playing luna, I was saying play till you buy the ch you want. If like you say you got a big clan it shouldn't be hard to coordinate all your clanmates making luna alts and speding two weeks making money there so you get your ch ... I think first lot of ch that were sold on Franz went for 30m or so ;)
Who will after 2-3 years start from scratch ? Only one real idiot..
Well your going 2 see a lot of Idiots on Luna then because if you think even for one moment even with all this crying going on, that people won't mass over to Luna starting over your Crazy. In fact lol some of the same people that said they won't do it will be doing it. :D
Who will after 2-3 years start from scratch ? Only one real idiot..
Well your going 2 see a lot of Idiots on Luna then because if you think even for one moment even with all this crying going on, that people won't mass over to Luna starting over your Crazy. In fact lol some of the same people that said they won't do it will be doing it. :D
So no new euro server to transfer to = even less playing than the last 6 months, ...the thrill is gone.
No way I'm gonna start up new characters again. 4 years is long enough. Playing to lvl50 without shots, to 75 in Zubei..., I've been there, done that, not doing it again! And taking the easy way? ...no, not for me, not my way of having fun.
No way I'm gonna try moving them to Teon/Franz just to discover that some will be transferred, some will be stuck on Devianne.
Naah for me there's only one option, sit back doing nothing as long as my accounts are still paid for. Then wait until I can safely transfer to a euro server, if I by then is still playing L2.
Now there will be a so called "fresh" server - fresh for the botters, ebayers, farmers to make more money - I just wish NcSoft at the same time had started a server for all of us europeans that want/need a euro server to be interested in playing again.
If not opening a 2nd server that allowas transfer from the start, switch one NA server, as suggested, to a euro server.
Meanwhile Craylon I can feel your disappointment! You being one of the very few clanleaders left on Devianne that I respect since you've always been a dedicated, noncheating player that as a clanleader in each and every way have done your best for the the clan in an utmost unselfish way!! Sorry you got (censored) again.
....but hold on mate, I'm coming to lighten up your darkest day :p
....and remember, in the end there can be only one anyway, EagleOne :D
I just want to give a quick update on what's currently going on in the world of Lineage II.
Luna, the new European server that we have been talking about for a while now is almost here! The server will go live with the launch of our new update Hellbound. After much internal and public debate, we have decided to not allow character server transfers to Luna, immediately at live launch. We do plan to offer transfers to Luna at a later date. This should give new and old players a fresh start, and allow for the economy to be established before we insert higher level players.
In regards to account services, we will be re-enabling limited server transfers to servers 9 and 10 (Teon and Franz respectively) in May. Our goal is to offer a small number of transfer slots each week on a continuous basis. When the changes go live, the PlayNC system should display to you when Teon and Franz are available to transfer to. Stay tuned for further updates.
Finally, we will be launching Hellbound to the live servers next Wednesday April 23rd. There will be no regular maintenance on Tuesday April 22nd. Item distribution and account services will be executed during update maintenance on Wednesday the 23rd.
Ornery
this is a huge disappointment, how can we move 100+ people to one of the EURO servers when there's no guarantee given all of them will be able to actually transfer to the same server ?
this is an another big fail in my eyes but hey NC Soft likes them bots so see how Luna will be eh.
Luna will come out and people will just start over that want get off the server they on and then transfer they main later. A lot on Lionna did that when Frans came out.
A lot will Just stay were they at and wait for Transfers open later on Luna or for Teon/Frans to open.
Some will Quit the game crying heading out the door.
The rest Will just stay were they are now and deal with what they have like so many of us do.
Later when Luna do open for transfers even if it's a year from now a lot of the people that Quit will come back because of the simple fact that they miss L2 and no other MMO is like Lineage ][.
Lineage ][ has it problems but if we didn't like it so much none of you would be still here and the fact your posting says your active.
A supplier, no matter which product, can do as they want for as long as their old customers accept it and/or new customers arrive. Once that starts changing the supplier can either adapt to what the customers want, or be reduced.
Well is the demand for L2 going up or down? Only NcSoft knows for sure. Is the demand rising then obviously their product is to their customers satisfaction. Should the demand be going downhills maybe some of the criticism from their customers should be taken into consideration? :o
L2 is by far the most, imo, interesting game of its kind, ftm, and there isn't much competition out there, ftm.
Should there "arise" a competitive (matter of opinion, I know) game there will also be a matter of "loyalty" from customers that will matter, and that kind of "loyalty" is build from a supplier-customer-relation built, or not built, over a period of time.
Btw, as any serious supplier realize, criticism, viewpoints, suggestions a.s.o. is not to be considered as merely "crying" :p
Worst solution. 10 minutes after server launch you'll have tens of bots in starter areas, preparing grounds for players that will transfer later there. Operated by future clans there, and of course, farmers. Waiting till economy stabilizes = waiting till Luna adena appears on game currency selling sites for cheaper than at launch?
Don't get me wrong Ornery, but either you are blind or naive not to realise that. Drop your pink glasses, Luna won't be about freshstarters, but about Euros that you screwed as usual... There are almost no new L2 players.
Well... We have no option in selection of a server... Luna opens unavailable for transfer service. It is sadly if whine of quite incompetent demagogues make base for making such resolutions. I feel frustrated and disappointed. Most annoying thing is that no date is pointed again. We just don't have a note which says when Luna becomes opened for transfers. This is unfair politics for most of players that are decaying in dying servers. It is horrible when ignorance of a couple of someones makes this big irreparable mistakes.
Anyway they write that they will allow numbered transfer each week to Teon and Franz. This is very positive shift. I will think what server is better for me. I just welcome this great resolution.
alot of legit players who are still stuck on NA servers were waiting for transfer to an EURO server, closing Luna for transfer and not giving any guarantee for being able to transfer full clans to Franz/Teon is just lol..
Luna was supposed to be opened for those EURO players that couldn't TRANSFER so NC Soft just fails once again to deliver on what they promise.
Getting really fed up with them, will be discussing this with my friends but as things are now my accounts will go inactive.
Good job NC Soft, have fun with your botting player base
It wouldn't have left bots out, since some players are too stupid to play a game like it is and need to cheat.
But it would have limited it.
When they opened Franz, people had to level a new toon from start, so they botted it.
If you allow transfer, then you can transfer your high level toon, i.e you don't need to level a new toon, so you don't need to bot it.
Obviously there would have been bots, there are on every server, but at least it wouldn't have been as bad as Franz where all people botted their toons.
Not allowing transfer just make Luna a new Franz, where people will bot their toon, and will transform the server into another botland.
After much internal and public debate, we have decided to not allow character server transfers to Luna, immediately at live launch.
Yay! :D Best thing NC has done in a long while. Surely this is a good thing? New start and all. Parties will be wanted, boxed and OOP classes like SE could go back to being played live.
It wouldn't have left bots out, since some players are too stupid to play a game like it is and need to cheat.
But it would have limited it.
When they opened Franz, people had to level a new toon from start, so they botted it.
If you allow transfer, then you can transfer your high level toon, i.e you don't need to level a new toon, so you don't need to bot it.
Obviously there would have been bots, there are on every server, but at least it wouldn't have been as bad as Franz where all people botted their toons.
Not allowing transfer just make Luna a new Franz, where people will bot their toon, and will transform the server into another botland.
I rest my case and stay on Dev.
My thought exactly...
I remember coming to Franz the 1st day it opened. Went to dwar fvillage (of course) and I saw only default male dwarfs running around with unpronounceble names. Don't think I need to say more... ;)
Why dont you just all purchase the transfer and use it as soon as they open up? Be ready and prepared.
Because they announced xfer in Wednesday. Only way to change clan leadership was next Tuesday. Only way to transfer toon was next tuesday. Those 2 things cannot combine together. NC did not offer cooldown week to xfer leaderships. They did not offer server reboot one or two days before to change leaderships earlier. Failure in thinking, fire sloppy analysts and put real paper calendar on your desk.
NC was warned when Franz started. Did they learned their lesson? Will they dedicate huge workforce to stop bots right from beginning? Or will Luna be just another flop exactly like Franz was? Stay tuned!
Why dont you just all purchase the transfer and use it as soon as they open up? Be ready and prepared.
Because they announced xfer in Wednesday. Only way to change clan leadership was next Tuesday. Only way to transfer toon was next tuesday. Those 2 things cannot combine together. NC did not offer cooldown week to xfer leaderships. They did not offer server reboot one or two days before to change leaderships earlier. Failure in thinking, fire sloppy analysts and put real paper calendar on your desk.
NC was warned when Franz started. Did they learned their lesson? Will they dedicate huge workforce to stop bots right from beginning? Or will Luna be just another flop exactly like Franz was? Stay tuned!
I wonder if some1 from NCSoft reads blah... like.. 90% of the ppl there.. say that they will bot.
I wonder if some1 from NCSoft reads blah... like.. 90% of the ppl there.. say that they will bot.
The population on blah is far from the whole server population, very far.
Although it is 10 times as great as the Official forums ;)
(527 > 52 atm)
I'd say more have a Blah account or read there then you give credit for. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the majority of end game players read there, the middle level players browse but dont post, and the lowbies of course have no clue as always.
Only reason Blah has more than offcial boards is people can go ahead and post whatever they want, and considering more than half blah posts are people just endlessly flaming, or talking about their trains, whats the point?
i would post more on blah if i know english better. from time to time i find phrases which are too hard to understand but understanding is not necessary, 99% of them are trash talk.
I'd go so far as to say the majority of end game players read there, the middle level players browse but dont post, and the lowbies of course have no clue as always.
Oh, the place where the talk openly about private servers, buying adena and botting? Doesn't that tell you something, Mr. end-gamer?
I'd go so far as to say the majority of end game players read there, the middle level players browse but dont post, and the lowbies of course have no clue as always.
Oh, the place where the talk openly about private servers, buying adena and botting? Doesn't that tell you something, Mr. end-gamer?
Another one who thinks their [censored] dosent stink.
You know people who bot. You know people who buy adena. *thunk*... that was the sound of you falling head first off your high horse.
could we PLEASE have some clarification on how the "limited weekly transfers" are going to be?
some of us dont care about Franz#2 (aka Luna), just getting to Teon and at last, have some fun cause the last 2 months were a nightmare.
lol you won't get more information until ncsoft think you want it. they will announce their plans one week before its realisation so you will have no time for any kind of preparation. so start your sell/equip business right now if you want to have time until dead line. you must have 6th sense to predict when you have to drop clan, trade clan leadership to some alt etc... it's ncsoft standard.
its not the things i have to trade before transfers that worries me.
im more interested to know if i ll be able to transfer with all my friends on same maintenance and not most of us/them stay behind and waiting for x weeks to get together again.
some of us dont care about Franz#2 (aka Luna), just getting to Teon and at last, have some fun cause the last 2 months were a nightmare.
Playing WoW for 2 months was quite some fun, indeed i'd like to come back to L2, but if we cant transfer to Teon, then it's gonna be another 2 fun months of WoW :p
its not the things i have to trade before transfers that worries me.
im more interested to know if i ll be able to transfer with all my friends on same maintenance and not most of us/them stay behind and waiting for x weeks to get together again.
thats all
i don't agree. it's highly acceptable if you and your friends arrive new server with up to one month interval. there is nothing scary. anyway it's better to have fun on live and settled server, than continue decaying in your abandoned swamp... :)
how long are teon/franz closed? ~2 - 2.5 months
+ 1 month til they re-open.
+ 1 month (by your calculations and expectations, i think it ll be longer to get all together
how long to wait, cause i didnt want to leave all my friends back and transfer by myself ?
yeah, i know its probably bad to have friends ingame and get any kind of attachment.
could we PLEASE have some clarification on how the "limited weekly transfers" are going to be?
Official clarification would of course be great, but I can see no reason why it should not be as simple as "this week we will allow 50 transfers, so the first 50 people who click the 'yes I want to buy this server transfer' button will get lucky".
And if that is one guy who buys 50 server transfers for himself 2 minutes after the transfers are available again, good for him.
I still don't understand how they are monitoring the issue about server loads and availability. They halted transfers to Teon but you can go in there all day long and creat new characters on any account you have.
I read a lot that not opening Luna to transfers from the begining will be good for new players to start there. Well, to me there are 2 kinds of new players: a) the ones with a friend that already plays L2 and b) the ones that don't.
First category will simply start at the server where their friends are. That's a no brainer. Getting help at lower levels is much more important than anything else (like server location, siege/olympiad times, etc).
Second category players will make a choice based on location (NA/Euro). So, what would it be better for a new Euro player? Start on Luna? Comparing to the other 2 existing servers (Teon/Franz), he would have to face these facts:
-Constantly fight for hunting grounds against more experienced players or even worse, bots.
-No academies will be available for a long time. People that will try to level up clans there will need all academy spots for experienced players that will level up fast, not for new ones learning the game.
-No hope of financial help from random people. There won't be any high level players that randomly help fresh starters. This will be a luxury for a long time. Also, nobody will help with advices on how things are done. Time will also be a luxury too.
-Prices on everything will be insanely high. Even farmers will keep their matterials in stock until the market will be able to afford their prices.
Luna will be completely hostile for new players and it is the last server any of them would like to be. Teon and Franz (for Euro players) are well established and don't suffer from all these problems.
yeah right, cause new players get help on mature servers .... who seriously gives a **** about a 20 lvl lowbie when the whole server is 3rd class? nobody ...
new server will attract lots of casual gamers, mid 60s people, that would rather be in a server they have a hope of partying with people rather than a 500 online is anybody alive kinda server ...
new server also provides competitive players with an even playing field .. no more I started here 2 years after the other guys so I dont have a ch/items whatever ... everybody is created equal, whoever organises best wins.
yeah right, cause new players get help on mature servers .... who seriously gives a **** about a 20 lvl lowbie when the whole server is 3rd class? nobody ...
Lol, how'd you won't understand one simple thing, there is no such thing as "better organized", there will be casual player v.s. hardcore player with auto-play function enabled.
Can your groups farm gold 24/7 ?
How many groups you can arrange with your live ppl, even with boxes?
And how many groups can 1 person control with help of 3rd party programms ?
And its not the problem that there is farmers and bots on every server, problem that almost every single player will be forced to bot in this condition.
Those who seen Frantz, already mortified. Those who don't, well... lol. In few month u will have nobless/hero griefers and nobody to oppose them.
There is no such thing like, new hope in new world, if u were sore loser on your old server, u will stay sore loser on brand new server, hardcore players won't share nor exp, nor money with u.
Even those who don't bot, have enough boxes to cover their needs.
So ok, now you happy, ncsoft *** in the face all those dedicated players who has build their clans and success already and gave you another chance, but thats not enough!! You will be thrown to the bottom once again, since to achieve something you need to put a lot of efforts into it and if you couldn't do that in already happy server, you won't do any good on a wild new one too.
PS: As I said before, there is a chance to avoid it, if ncsoft will closely monitor this server and put a lot of ban-hammer-men on it to stop bots. But do you believe in a wonders?
could we PLEASE have some clarification on how the "limited weekly transfers" are going to be?
Official clarification would of course be great, but I can see no reason why it should not be as simple as "this week we will allow 50 transfers, so the first 50 people who click the 'yes I want to buy this server transfer' button will get lucky".
And if that is one guy who buys 50 server transfers for himself 2 minutes after the transfers are available again, good for him.
just because this might not be the only way they make it happen.
if this is the only way that comes to your mind, no problem by me but more ways are coming to mine.
Lol, how'd you won't understand one simple thing, there is no such thing as "better organized", there will be casual player v.s. hardcore player with auto-play function enabled.
Can your groups farm gold 24/7 ?
How many groups you can arrange with your live ppl, even with boxes?
And how many groups can 1 person control with help of 3rd party programms ?
And its not the problem that there is farmers and bots on every server, problem that almost every single player will be forced to bot in this condition.
Those who seen Frantz, already mortified. Those who don't, well... lol. In few month u will have nobless/hero griefers and nobody to oppose them.
There is no such thing like, new hope in new world, if u were sore loser on your old server, u will stay sore loser on brand new server, hardcore players won't share nor exp, nor money with u.
Even those who don't bot, have enough boxes to cover their needs.
So ok, now you happy, ncsoft *** in the face all those dedicated players who has build their clans and success already and gave you another chance, but thats not enough!! You will be thrown to the bottom once again, since to achieve something you need to put a lot of efforts into it and if you couldn't do that in already happy server, you won't do any good on a wild new one too.
PS: As I said before, there is a chance to avoid it, if ncsoft will closely monitor this server and put a lot of ban-hammer-men on it to stop bots. But do you believe in a wonders?
what you describe is actually better organized ;)
if ncsoft tolerates bots, people are gonna bot, it's a no brainer
now if clan x setsup 24/7 parties with x live people and y automated well ... catch the automated ones and ban them.
By the same token, a clan that starts luna en masse, has good classes breakdown (ie you dont get 40 people all going rogue and no supports) will be better than 200 random people going around solo .. that's what I mean by organisation.
By the same token, a clan that starts luna en masse, has good classes breakdown (ie you dont get 40 people all going rogue and no supports) will be better than 200 random people going around solo .. that's what I mean by organisation.
We not talking about solo players anyway, they won't reach anything in meantime no matter how much they'll struggle.
So all goes about clans. If clan is a CLAN and not just a bunch of friends, then all its takes about internal and external clan politics.
Now tell me, how already well organized clan can be without some nice things like clanhalls, epic and so on? And if they have it, why they will praise denial of transfer to the new server from deserted one?
good clan = constant parties, pooling resources (adena), putting clan goals (aka ch) above their own (ie no d/c grade till their clan gets the hall)
bad clan = 30 rogues 1 buffer spending half their online time setting up a party that goes xp in necropoli (awful adena) and are awful proud cause they got that leet D dagger while the rest run around in NG.
Difference between good clan and bad clan is organisation. ... Organisation is having the right members that listen to the leader understand how to play this game etc etc
Moneta, you and your clan is actual representation of sore losers. [censored=be quiet] pretty please, I do understand your point pretty clearly, since its only chance for you to steal something from the BIG BAD CLANS, but this won't happen, believe me, they will get all they want again )
Once again, listen to my point.
Why well organized clan should want to start from the scratch?
Then stay put were you are and you won't have 2 start over :D
Does this comment should mean anything or its just for postcount?
You should know why clans would like to move to Luna.
Servers are deserted by transfer, most people don't like to play on empty servers with no future.
2Moneta: tax rates will be maxed out, I promise, not like we hold it for giran and rune right now
If I wanted post counts i would just post on every single subject.
I for one like my low Pop server if I wanted 2 move I would go 2 Bartz I have the means and could do it but I don't want 2 SO i stay were I'm at. So for the ones saying they don't Want to start over?
NC Soft already said it's not going to happen at the start. SO you left with starting over or not Starting over there is no wish list or Magical Potion that's going port your main over 2 Luna so my point was plain and simple if you didn't see it that's something you have 2 work out. ;)
mm, check my posts, I may be angry about ncsoft decision, I may even leave this game for good or struggle to build everything once again from the start, but I have never asked for any other options, its just don't lead to anything, ncsoft wouldn't care about our opinion, they made this decision. Now I'm telling what is bad from our point of view, thats it.
Only thing we'd like to know, is when transfer will be opened to Luna. But i'm pretty sure, that gm's can't do anything about it and those one who decide, wouldn't listen to our opinion )
Thats it.
Many people was waiting for Luna to transfer there, now they put at the endless waitline once again.. and i'm just upset by senseless bla-bla from those who don't care.
Well, my feeling on this is simply let Luna open Clan Halls at a Progression that we experienced with Lineage over time. What I mean is this...
Figure out a rough date in which you feel Server Transfers should be permitted to Luna, lets say Hypothtically 9 Months...
No clan halls will be available for sale for the first month of Luna. None, nor should there be Siegeable Clan Halls.
After the First Month that Luna has been open... allow the Auction of ONLY Gludio, Gludin and Dion Clan Halls.
After 2 Months or so, let the Siegeable Clan halls finally work.
After 4 Months, allow the Auction of Schuggart Clan halls.
After 5 Months, allow the auction of ONLY Giran and Aden Clan Halls.
When Server transfers are finally allowed to Luna, then Permit the Auction of Goddard and Rune Clan Halls the week AFTER the first transfers come in.
The reason I say this is, I don't think its fair that only those who start from NEW on Luna should have the first dibbs on on all of the clan halls, for all the above stated reasons, and I don't think its fair to those long time Euro Players get screwed out of them.... BUT, I also don't think it would be fair to those who DO START FRESH on Luna shouldn't be allowed a crack at the Clan Halls. I think this is a fair distribution of the Clan Halls.
who's gonna start fresh in a game where levels and gear (both extremely hard to get) are so important ? with a timeline like that you wouldnt see ANYONE on luna at all.
what heppened to franz will be what happens to luna, i guarantee it. the only exception is - it will all be dwarven bots. no useful toons like Sagi Mains, or Tanks. not even Kamaels. why dwarven bots? simply because dwarves are the easiest to roll up unlegit. given the need for SS when (according to you) transfers come about, there will be craft shops and crystal shops for literally 100 - 200 k per S crystal, and 10k per click.
yes, i know the price of these Crystals from mammon, i make my money on them. for shot prices alone, youll HARDLY see people transferring. first, youll see them raise a Crafting Dorf to save the craft costs. hence ARMIES AND ARMIES of craft dorf bots.
Moneta, you and your clan is actual representation of sore losers. [censored=be quiet] pretty please, I do understand your point pretty clearly, since its only chance for you to steal something from the BIG BAD CLANS, but this won't happen, believe me, they will get all they want again )
Want to explain my clan? We are outkasts lol always have been always will be, non pvp gods non power gamers non ebayer botters. However, we got a rune clan hall because we EARNED IT. You do not have to be a big bad clan to get a clan hall just work hard to get it, some of these big bad clans just hit the instant win button (buy adena) which does not make them better makes them feel like they accomplished something because they bought anything wanted.
I been offered close to 10 billion adena for my rune clan hall but I do not sell it because real estate only increases in value over time because no one is making more of it, and unless Gracia adds new town clan halls there are not anymore being made :)
nopes, I doubt you are even on kain, you wanna compare clans with moneta? ) I'm not guessing things on cofe beans )
If u want, ask Moneta what their clan achive )
the issue is more with the fact those people who were waiting to transfer to Luna are now forced to wait for another 6 months which is pure bs especially as NC Soft can not give those players any real alternative, sure limited transfers to Franz/Teon which holds zero relevance when we're talking about 100+ppl (that's just 1 ally from Kain) who want to be able to play together.
am open for suggestions here as so many folks who like to up there post counts here haven't been able to answer that one question so please explain why those players shouldn't feel [censored] over right now ??
the issue is more with the fact those people who were waiting to transfer to Luna are now forced to wait for another 6 months which is pure bs especially as NC Soft can not give those players any real alternative, sure limited transfers to Franz/Teon which holds zero relevance when we're talking about 100+ppl (that's just 1 ally from Kain) who want to be able to play together.
am open for suggestions here as so many folks who like to up there post counts here haven't been able to answer that one question so please explain why those players shouldn't feel [censored] over right now ??
What does it manner if we answer a question on something that's final. And who said they will open transfers to Luna in 6 months? You could be waiting a year for all you know.
Maybe the Quote was not clear Here it is again
After much internal and public debate, we have decided to not allow character server transfers to Luna, immediately at live launch. We do plan to offer transfers to Luna at a later date. This should give new and old players a fresh start, and allow for the economy to be established before we insert higher level players.
Ornery
As far as post count I join 03/03/05 and a lot of people here join a year after that date and have 2X or more the amount of post I have.
And besides who cares how many post I have why are you even keeping track? What you need 2 do is Decide what your going 2 do. NC Soft made they move time to make yours Buddy.
lmao Ashley get mad, it's 6months as that's NC Soft Korea policy and NA NC Soft wouldn't know how to do things differently if their lives would depend on it also nothing the NA branch decides is final if the Korean Mother company decides otherwise.
Luna is supposedly created to address the issues with the current player base that wanted to transfer to a Euro server, go read the first official post on that matter, and the point in my post earlier here is that they're failing to deliver on that.
anyways have already in activated my accounts so think am doing fine ;)
Yea some post Smelly Belly did and I wasn't going post back but I did she has a pure hate for me unless I'm some use 2 her. Any way that's her problem and you right I should not get mad about it and I fixed now anyway "*** You are ignoring this user *** " :D
ok so 6 months is really not that long you have the summer coming good time 2 take a break and enjoy the great outdoors . Level once in a while on your main or sub then before it even starts to really get cold again Transfers will be open :D
Ornery announced the following:
Hellbound going live.
Luna going live.
Luna will be closed for transfers at its beginning.
Weekly limited server transfers to Teon/Franz.
the rest of the 15 pages are ONLY for transfers to luna and teon/franz, with maybe, just a few exceptions.
most of them are complains from trapped players, some others are for complains to those who complain.
in fact, noone seem to care about Hellbound in this specific thread.
or maybe i should put it this way. there are things much more important than a new chronicle.
Have you been there? that place is hard. Guess no one is talking about it becasue it's not an easy place to hunt. You need 2 full groups that way one group can save the first group that got wiped :D
Hellbound going live. covered
Luna going live. Over covered
Luna will be closed for transfers at its beginning. covered
Weekly limited server transfers to Teon/Franz. covered
they all been covered now :D
and yes there is more to Hellbound then just Hellbound but that's the main part the rest about C grade gear being sold in shops and new transformations and new level cap and new skills have been mostly covered in other posts in the forum Mainly here (http://boards.lineage2.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=pts) :D
Are people really shocked that they won't allow transfers to Luna the first few months?! WOW! Talk about naive..
If they close it for 6 months, it will be more than enough time to get an economy going. The hardcore people will also be into their 78-80s with heroes and stuff like that, ready to welcome the transfers.
The only thing that sucks, is that Luna will probably start off just like Teon and Franz.. which means it will SUCK for most players for a long time, without mentioning the specifics.
lmao Ashley get mad, it's 6months as that's NC Soft Korea policy and NA NC Soft wouldn't know how to do things differently if their lives would depend on it also nothing the NA branch decides is final if the Korean Mother company decides otherwise.
Luna is supposedly created to address the issues with the current player base that wanted to transfer to a Euro server, go read the first official post on that matter, and the point in my post earlier here is that they're failing to deliver on that.
anyways have already in activated my accounts so think am doing fine ;)
It was not created to address the issue of people wanting to transfer to a Euro server you dolt. It was created because of the interest in another euro timed server. Luna has been planned to be opened for about a year now because they mentioned the possiblity of a new server during interlude, the need for transfers had nothing to do with it.
You might want to reread the first official post on this then, it sure is very coincidental that it's announced right when both Franz & Teon maxed out on transfers eh..
The server transfers to Teon and Franz this week have been so popular that the activity has put both servers near their maximum player capacity. We regret to announce that we will be suspending both of these servers as available transfer locations for the time being. All server transfers that were queued to Teon and Franz prior to 5:30 PM Central Time on February 19, 2008 will go through. Purchased server transfers that had not yet been queued will not be able to be queued until the Teon and Franz servers are available again. Please keep in mind that this does not necessarily mean that Teon and Franz will be forever closed off to transfers. This also doesn’t affect the gender change, name change, and character server transfer services on and to the rest of our servers.
It is very important to us that the current Teon and Franz communities have the best possible experience. We also understand the need and desire for our European players to be able to play on a European server. We will be closely monitoring the server performance on Teon and Franz to evaluate whether they can handle more players and how soon we can reactivate the transfers to them again.
We also have some exciting news to announce! Last week, we mentioned that we were currently discussing the possibilities of a new European server. The players on Teon and Franz and the rest of our European player community made it very clear to us that there is a great need for a new European server. We listened to you feedback, and have made that a priority. We're very happy to announce that this decision has been finalized, and the new European server will be coming this year! We will continue to strive for the best experience possible for our Lineage II community.
Please stay tuned for more details, and thank you all for you patience as we grow and evolve with the recent and future changes.
Are people really shocked that they won't allow transfers to Luna the first few months?! WOW! Talk about naive..
not really just the fact that there's no alternative for large groups of people to move to an Euro server is pathetic, if Luna is closed then Franz & Teon should be open for such and not only "small number of transfer slots each week" ie allow full clan transfers!!
The thing you are complaining about is the exact reason why they don't allow transfers day 1. They don't want to see a large number of players leave a server in one time.
lol if u play years on light servers isnt few more months that u will die for.
luna gonna be like franz at leats until transfer where all top cheaters will be overrun by massive epic flux and 80 players.
i dont think many ppl will move fromt teon/franz for luna because lets face it that servers r massive wars all around and targets in all places.
Are people really shocked that they won't allow transfers to Luna the first few months?! WOW! Talk about naive..
not really just the fact that there's no alternative for large groups of people to move to an Euro server is pathetic, if Luna is closed then Franz & Teon should be open for such and not only "small number of transfer slots each week" ie allow full clan transfers!!
that fact is just ******* me off
What you're really complaining about is NC Soft NA's inability to accomodate the HUGE demand for european servers. Nothing really to do with Luna in particular. Which I agree on completely. NC has underestimated the demand for European servers since day 1, nothing new there. They can probably start up at least two more euro servers after Luna and they will be packed too.
NC is doing what they can with Franz and Teon at the moment. There is after all a LIMIT on how many players a server can handle! ;)
The thing you are complaining about is the exact reason why they don't allow transfers day 1. They don't want to see a large number of players leave a server in one time.
so u mean they actively trying to destroy clans now ? oO
@nagh i couldnt have said it better
from a clan leaders pow nc really does everything in their power to bring us down
@kruken we will try something like that
but it really asks a lot of the clannies to stop playing their chars just as brand new content is introduced for a small chance to get a decent clanhall
and after all lets be realistic, we wont compete against 2k people that out of the blue decided l2 is a great game and they wanna play it on a fresh new server. we will compete against 500+people that cheat on other servers now and transfer there to make a fast buck.
The thing you are complaining about is the exact reason why they don't allow transfers day 1. They don't want to see a large number of players leave a server in one time.
so u mean they actively trying to destroy clans now ? oO
why dont you do what any smart clan leader does moving to a new server? sell up all your junk then trade it over to luna and buy out a ch? if ppl follow you, great if not, gl hf, besides your playing on a dead server anyway
Servers was said to go down at 2:00pm GMT+1. It's now 2:30pm GMT+1 and servers are still up. Seems like it got delayed...I wonder when they will take a look at the clock and realize that they are late for work :p
Pretty funny stuff. I created a human fighter on the new server and it was pure madness. 3-4 players per mob and flagging all over the place. You literally have to swim through the crowd to get anywhere.
Folks... u really cant have everything... everyone wanted new EU-server... so here it is! Cheers!
I think a fresh all from zero start is the best way anyway... how would it be a fresh server if there would be tons of 70+ toons afer next maintenance... well it would not be fresh...
Botts are problem all the way in all MMO's, bots are here (and everywhere else)... and they are here to stay...
it doesn't mean that I dont want them to get constantly banned... its just I know that the same as in RL there are drug dealers, smugglers etc. the same is in a virtual world... u have the honorable citizens and the scum... if virtual-police (GM's) aint strong enough then promote a bot-hostile mood... Here (not as in RL) u can take justice in Ur own hands (it doesnt matter if u kill bots or ban bots, they still come back, either its respawn or new account)
And for the person talkin about people after 3rd class change not helping 15+ lvl players... my clan helped me a lot... with advice, some times adena, sometimes items... (what I want to say... a kind person on TEON with lvl 80+ toon will still be a kind person on Luna with 10+ toon... an ***** stays an ***** no matter where he/she goes)
but its always the same schematic... dont give a new player adena... give him the means to make adena... and he will find joy in gameplay and ignore adena-adds.
Well I didn't get All the names I wanted so I just made a nuker and went Boat PKing. and I tell you 1/2 the boats on Luna are not even farmers they real players some of them was telling me stop pking them your wasting your time we just going go back and Boat some more and while your asleep I will lvl and move on.
That's sad they people are openly admitting they are boating al over luna and not a GM in site
I used
/gmlist
and all I got was "OMG Lmfao DID you really think a GM was online on this server"
i wonder why on earth, you thought it was gonna be any other way?
Hope
that's the Only reason. Yes it was a LOOOOOOONG shot but I just had hope mainly when I heard some one from NC soft would be on luna I figure they were going try do this right but yea you right I did see just another Franz coming. o well back to Lionna :D
i wonder why on earth, you thought it was gonna be any other way?
Hope
that's the Only reason. Yes it was a LOOOOOOONG shot but I just had hope mainly when I heard some one from NC soft would be on luna I figure they were going try do this right but yea you right I did see just another Franz coming. o well back to Lionna :D
With all due respect, why is it that people don't know this. It's been said by the cm's for years.
/gmlist doesn't work anymore because they use a program that allows them to access more than one server. So no there isn't a gm assigned to one particular server. There is a (small?) handful that monitor all the servers.
So "yes" there are gm's but "no" you don't ever know they are there, especially with the auto responses. Now whether or not you feel they do anything whether they can be seen or not is another matter.
Everything goes according to a plan )
GM doesn't pay special attentions, transfer closed, bots who farm adena made they rush already, players who want to transfer later on this server tryed to fight bots, lost and mostly become bots themselves.
Next scenery will be following this route:
- Those players who bot to get clanhall will get enough money, buy clanhall and bot for another one just for profit (or quit
botting and back to legit play on good old servers).
- Those who still doesn't bot will buy adena and buy those clanhalls thats still available and back to legit play on good old server.
- Those insane players, who still don't bot will either get something with enormous luck or lose it and return back to play on good old server.
- All clanhall are bought, nothing left to do. Everyone left luna, leaving bot trace and few "freshstarters" to bot adena/levels up
End of frantz2 story.
When transfer will open, it will be Teon2. Where people so dedicated to bot, that they can't stop it even its not that necessary )
I'll check this thread few weeks later, to see how wrong my predictions are)
i wonder why on earth, you thought it was gonna be any other way?
Hope
that's the Only reason. Yes it was a LOOOOOOONG shot but I just had hope mainly when I heard some one from NC soft would be on luna I figure they were going try do this right but yea you right I did see just another Franz coming. o well back to Lionna :D
With all due respect, why is it that people don't know this. It's been said by the cm's for years.
/gmlist doesn't work anymore because they use a program that allows them to access more than one server. So no there isn't a gm assigned to one particular server. There is a (small?) handful that monitor all the servers.
So "yes" there are gm's but "no" you don't ever know they are there, especially with the auto responses. Now whether or not you feel they do anything whether they can be seen or not is another matter.
It's sort of 50/50 for me.
this is correct..
since C3/C4
updated GM client system, providing access to all servers in one shot allowing for a more effective and efficient petitioning system. If there are no petitions on one server (or very few) and dozens on another, why keep the same number of gms managing a server with less petitions.....
anywho.....
the old server gm system setup is just another thing kinda hanging in there.
So far I don't like it too much.. had to block a few people insulting each others in shout with xenophobic comments...I'm just going to class change and see how it goes but I'll go back to Kain I guess.
And yes lots of bots, no more than what I remember of OB on Kain though.
Was suprised to see it on Light this afternoon compared to Franz and Teon, but I guess people have already given up to some extent. I've done so many academies, even with the new buffs & weapons etc, its rather boring to work tirelessly get to 40... again...
to be honest I would love to see an update from HGMSpam on what they're doing on Luna to prevent FranzII from happening..
That would be "nothing", if they are banning, then you would not see so MANY automated friends - either that or the GM's (excluding the Sr. GM's, most of them are very helpful, if you can get them) are stupid and have never played the game (which I really believe sometimes).
So far I don't like it too much.. had to block a few people insulting each others in shout with xenophobic comments...I'm just going to class change and see how it goes but I'll go back to Kain I guess.
And yes lots of bots, no more than what I remember of OB on Kain though.
erm during OB Kain didn't exist, that was Bartz and Walker didn't exist either untill end C1/early C2 so whaa ?
So far I don't like it too much.. had to block a few people insulting each others in shout with xenophobic comments...I'm just going to class change and see how it goes but I'll go back to Kain I guess.
And yes lots of bots, no more than what I remember of OB on Kain though.
erm during OB Kain didn't exist, that was Bartz and Walker didn't exist either untill end C1/early C2 so whaa ?
Those one were cheering for stop transfer ) Now they see results and they don't like it )
So far I don't like it too much.. had to block a few people insulting each others in shout with xenophobic comments...I'm just going to class change and see how it goes but I'll go back to Kain I guess.
And yes lots of bots, no more than what I remember of OB on Kain though.
erm during OB Kain didn't exist, that was Bartz and Walker didn't exist either untill end C1/early C2 so whaa ?
You must think CB because during OB Kain existed lol. And as for bots they were already running around, along with gold farmers.
They also had pks to defend them, we had to fight in mithril mines because they were killing every dwarf trying to do their class change quest.
It was the free month before official launch and I'm pretty sure it was called "Open Beta" since my account shows a beta key on the list.
Farmer wars was so much more fun back then.. going red, running for your life .. waking up last night trying to remember "did I really just kill all those people?" log in and find out it wasn't a dream :p Beer FTW!
So far I don't like it too much.. had to block a few people insulting each others in shout with xenophobic comments...I'm just going to class change and see how it goes but I'll go back to Kain I guess.
And yes lots of bots, no more than what I remember of OB on Kain though.
erm during OB Kain didn't exist, that was Bartz and Walker didn't exist either untill end C1/early C2 so whaa ?
Kain was made a few weeks into Open Beta along with 3 other servers Lionna was one of them. Because Bartz was so dam full you could not log in. I still have my Level 21 PK on Bartz from beta.
Farmers were around During Beta but just a few of them not a lot. after Prelude hit they were in all the newbie areas but they were all live no walker. they just had shifts and had up to 3 people working the same account. I would meet a few nice ones and if I come at a different time the farmer would tell me example Joe not here he will be on later or something like that.
The Coolest ones were on TI 2 me in the elven ruins. they told me how make get gear by grinding for adena and not XP. only go after mobs that are green to me and pace your self. Was good sound advice to becasue I still out level a lot of my friends going after the green moobs while they went after red and died a lot. And they help me learn some Chinese.
Opps taking 2 much and way that was fun times and farmers were more fun deal with with no walkers. I use love the farmer wars they were so funny watching them die and I never even flag. back then they would flag on me waiting for me flag so they archers could take me out but I would just AOE a mob and the aoe would kill anyone flaged (farmers didn't wear jewelry back then) and left me un flag. lol I was mad when they fix that in c1.
There were some bots already one showed them to me and if you were doing an emote to them they were doing another in reply that was funny. They were kill stealing it was not like today bots which stop when you are attacking a mob those were not turning back lol.
Too bad I have lost my old screenshots because I had some of them.
Only reason they stop KS's is becasue you can trick walker to flag on a pet if they set 2 KS. That's why i have lvl 1 wolf and hatchling now I use to kill farmers with my SH using that trick. After about 380+ pvp points over the weeks (with many others doing the same trick) they stop KSing. A few still do that today and I just train them all now. It's more fun watching whole parties die from 2 many mobs. Pulling the mobs that aoe stunn are the best :D
Well I didn't get All the names I wanted so I just made a nuker and went Boat PKing. and I tell you 1/2 the boats on Luna are not even farmers they real players some of them was telling me stop pking them your wasting your time we just going go back and Boat some more and while your asleep I will lvl and move on.
That's sad they people are openly admitting they are boating al over luna and not a GM in site
I used
/gmlist
and all I got was "OMG Lmfao DID you really think a GM was online on this server"
Ok it didn't say that but it might as well
:mad:
SO i've tried Luna for two days and I see the economy and structure, that had to be protected from transfers(!??), being build up....the botters are really busy :p
Maybe this game once was about gaming and fun and not strictly business. It sure aint now.
All the botters could be banned easily, if that was the intention. But since it's all about business we just have to realize that more money comes from the accounts of farmers and botters than from legit players; so the botters will stay and the legit will leave.
Maybe in future some games will be released with a policy that also practise a non-botting-politic, but I doubt it...greed has always been the ruler and making money more important than having fun.
Imo 90% is about botting and being as abusive as possible on most L2 servers now. ...and maybe that sadly is what is considered as fun for many?! It sure ain't my cup of tea. I'm just getting boored and I've finally realized that NcSoft won't do anything to change the situation, Luna made that very clear!
It's been almost three weeks now since you launch your new batch update. This new updates devasted me and unmotivate me from playing the game. For the past two years since I've started the game, I have spend thousands upon thousands of hours playing. I current have three accounts, which mean I'm really dedicated to play lineage. My love for the game is hunting for spellbooks and selling spellbooks. I was the queen of spellbooks. I've collected over 3000+ spellbooks some i've purchased over 4-5 million dollars for each. NOW since your update, you include all the high level spellbooks at NPC stores. This is an unfair practice. I know you want players to have all the book but it's unfair for those whom have spend countless hours playing lineage to find the fun in hunting for drop items. You might as well sell all the B,A,S grade weapons and armor for cheap at NPC stores...I've sent numerous message to management with unsuccess. My fair solution is to reimburse me for the spellbooks i've gotten or take it out of NPC stores and make it like it was before. If you keep doing this, you willl eliminate alot of players from your game. They have to have a motive to play. Buying and selling is one of the strongest motive in the game also. STOP making unfair game practice and fix what is fair for those whom spend hours on the game. I lost over 5 billion adena on spellbook from you doing this.
Well... As many of you have noticed, spellbooks aint only thing what is sold in stores nowdays. You can buy C-grade gears from NPC stores (not only from lux). There has been rumours that even Top-B grade gears are coming to NPC shops, price ~8million. Its kinda good that ppl dont need to grind to lvl70+ in C-grade gears, BUT how much this will punish dwarfs?
When does A and S grade come to NPC? Shots? Soon there's buffers standing in towns where you can get buffs free or with adena...
GG, I see L2 is transforming... Eventyally only Bot-trains need buffers for non-stop exp, but legit players can buy gears and buffs from town so all support classes are wasted chars. I can allrdy see death of L2, and its not so far as everyone think...
Well... I didnt mean that I hate the game and im going to cut my wrists or smth like that... Im used to play DDs, not supports. So actually these changes are good for me...
I just ment, that developers aint thinking far enough what they are doing. Yea its good to newbies and new servers but... In the end the game is not the game it should be...
IMO its not fun to just grind, grind, grind to get money, coz with money you can get what you want. I think its good enough to have C-grade on shops and lux, B, A and S grade should be "Craft only" or "Drop only", not from NPC shop
all these changes have been made to prevent the endless grind and make the lowbies able to catch up the hi end players.
imho, either way, support classes are not THAT fun to play.
dwarves either.
and im talking about majority of playerbase. of course, there are players that like to play these classes but a small minority. (i know that i ll get flamed for that, but its my pov)
i believe that these kind of changes have been made for a good cause.
who wants to grind x hours for one ****ed book?
why pay 3.5m adena for a ****ed C grade pair of boots?
why not keep adena for A and S grade, that we ALL know, at these lvls the game becomes more fun and entertaining?
honestly, there are far more important issues than a person that is obsessed to collect books.
he could start collecting other things as well, like mats/parts/recs/w/e and make profit from these.
or a dwarf that crafts C and B grade items. he could always lvl up a bit and start crafting A and S.
besides that, not many new players start each day, so these dwarves can make a significant profit.
in general i like most of the changes chronicle by chronicle with just a few exceptions perhaps.
now, NC reopen Teon/Franz plz. we NEED to start playing again. FYI, we dont atm!
Zzznow21 is right. The changes are coming to help players become competitive more easily. Most new content in the last two updates is for level 78+, and nobody has a chance of getting there in a timely fashion unless changes were made.
I recently spent 3 days killing mobs in Tanyor Canyon for the spellbooks for my Spellsinger on Teon. I'm frankly glad spellbooks have become available via NPC. It's obviously bad luck if someone has hoarded spellbooks to sell, but thats the nature of these MMORPGs. Generally speaking its better to have adena in your bank than huge assests that may change value significantly in the next update.
all these changes have been made to prevent the endless grind and make the lowbies able to catch up the hi end players.
imho, either way, support classes are not THAT fun to play.
dwarves either.
and im talking about majority of playerbase. of course, there are players that like to play these classes but a small minority. (i know that i ll get flamed for that, but its my pov)
i believe that these kind of changes have been made for a good cause.
who wants to grind x hours for one ****ed book?
why pay 3.5m adena for a ****ed C grade pair of boots?
why not keep adena for A and S grade, that we ALL know, at these lvls the game becomes more fun and entertaining?
honestly, there are far more important issues than a person that is obsessed to collect books.
he could start collecting other things as well, like mats/parts/recs/w/e and make profit from these.
or a dwarf that crafts C and B grade items. he could always lvl up a bit and start crafting A and S.
besides that, not many new players start each day, so these dwarves can make a significant profit.
in general i like most of the changes chronicle by chronicle with just a few exceptions perhaps.
now, NC reopen Teon/Franz plz. we NEED to start playing again. FYI, we dont atm!
/agreed
OMG I just agreed with Zzznow21 I must be coming down with something :p
And Rosalina get off Teon and get back Lionna we have a Big Weekend coming up and were going to need your Bishop so you need to lvl :p
Fundamentally changing how a mmorpg plays out down the road seems like a bad idea to me. Many fans of the game will find the fundamental change horrible and leave; new players will be discouraged by the comunity to start playing a game that's gone to hell (for them at least).
And if the mmorpg is old enough there will be no new players to speak of; and for L2, there are no new players to speak of on a significant scale. Kamael brought very few from what i could see in the range 1-62 lvls. L2 is already very old with little to NO comercialization in NA and Europe (if you know this to be different tell me :/ ) so I don't see any light in its future.
L2's future is probably BOOMING only in Koreea and related asian ventures, from what I can see. NA and Europe? No.
So... Looking ahead to see... nothing clear, all blurry, but I have a bad felling about this. (to keep it esotheric)
NC Soft could potentially expand their biz if they were able to close the freeshards that are around, Russia for example has several with over 25k users from what I've heard (if legal action won't help there a bribe does miracles) but remember they're bound by what the mother company in Korea wants them to do..
Everything goes according to a plan )
GM doesn't pay special attentions, transfer closed, bots who farm adena made they rush already, players who want to transfer later on this server tryed to fight bots, lost and mostly become bots themselves.
Next scenery will be following this route:
- Those players who bot to get clanhall will get enough money, buy clanhall and bot for another one just for profit (or quit
botting and back to legit play on good old servers).
- Those who still doesn't bot will buy adena and buy those clanhalls thats still available and back to legit play on good old server.
- Those insane players, who still don't bot will either get something with enormous luck or lose it and return back to play on good old server.
- All clanhall are bought, nothing left to do. Everyone left luna, leaving bot trace and few "freshstarters" to bot adena/levels up
End of frantz2 story.
When transfer will open, it will be Teon2. Where people so dedicated to bot, that they can't stop it even its not that necessary )
I'll check this thread few weeks later, to see how wrong my predictions are)
Quoting myself, to trace Luna situation. Everything goes as planned. Every good and expensive CH now are sold out and in the next auction period there will be no any CH available, then everything will go to last stage, waiting for transfers to be opened to Luna )
Question to GMs: any ETA for transfer to Luna, please?
Players place their bets for 6 month, I'm kinda more positive and give it just 3 month, usually more pessimistics predictions are right.