EE to gladiator?

I've got 2 options at the moment that I'm tossing around and I'm looking for suggestions.

Option 1:
Keep my EE (currently lvl 70) and eventually sub a gladiator when I hit 76.

Option 2:
Start to level my lvl 15 Human fighter and power level him with the 70 EE.

So my real question being what makes more sense, try and level the EE to 76 and subclass a gladiator or attempt to power level a Gladiator with an EE.

I say sub the EE, it's only 5 or 6 more levels. And EE's are awesome at 76+.

Powerleveling a glad w/ an EE... lol. That's not really called "powerleveling", that's just called leveling. EEs are not melee buffers. If you have 2 accounts, make an SE or WC on the second account and use the EE to powerlevel her to 40 so that you can dual box the SE/WC with your subbed glad.

Look at it this way - if you completely reroll, then by the time you end up with a 75 glad, you will have - a 75 glad. If you sub, by the time your glad is 75 - you will be noble. If you reroll, you'll still have to sub to get noble, so that will essentially be a third class you'll have to level 40-75. What do you think is easier? 70-75 on an EE or 40-75 on w/e other class you choose?

It's really up to you though. EEs are great characters, but if you're completely unhappy w/ it and feel there's no point to continue, then I guess reroll. Otherwise, I'd say just stick it out a few more levels and you'll be that much closer to noble.

(BTW, this is really more a question of how much you like the EE than whether you should go glad or not, so I think it might have fit better on the LE Mystic forum.)

P.S. How could you not love the Light Elf Glad (http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2260/shot00000ya6.png)? :D

Complete agreement with Listof.

In addition, remember that the change your subclass event is coming up.

Get that EE up quick, and sub.. try and get the Glad to 75 ASAP, then if you really like the glad more then the EE.. swap em.

Kill two birds with one stone without having to reroll.

I agree with Listof

My Light Elf looks better as a Glad then a Human at least to me ;)

Light Elf Gladiator (http://204.127.198.25/ashleymivida/AshleyGhost.jpg)


Opps I have 2 get a picture with duals later :p

I agree with Listof

My Light Elf looks better as a Glad then a Human at least to me ;)

Light Elf Gladiator (http://204.127.198.25/ashleymivida/AshleyGhost.jpg)


Opps I have 2 get a picture with duals later :p

Ashley I see that picture everywere ...

Ashley I see that picture everywere ...

(Slaps Leonidar) Wake up stop day dreaming about me. :p

i think to a large extent it depends if you are gonna solo from 70 to 75 on the EE. Without help this can be daunting.

I disagree that the EE cannot powerlevel the glad...imo your EE will do a great job
A Glad has lots of DD ability the EE will only add to its capability and provide great heals....and if and when you die a great rezz.
Why not give the Gladdy a try for a few weeks and see how it goes. You can supplement with scrolls/pots if required.
If you solo and do not have clan support it may be nice to have 2 toons as well.
If you have been soloing the EE you will be surprised at how fast things will go with a Gladdy.
It will be expensive shot/equip wise but in the end you will have a great DD/Healer combination.

I disagree that the EE cannot powerlevel the glad...imo your EE will do a great job

Uh...

Because a EE can give him........... might I guess?

A level 35 Human Cleric will give better buffs then a 70 EE in terms of DPS.

Numbers (just on a vanilla 40 glad w/ +4 spir*raid & FP):

DPS w/ EE buffs: 115.3
DPS w/ 35 Cleric buffs: 125.5

Yep, that EE is sure a great buffer for a Glad...... oh wait.......

To sum: No, as multiple of us have said, the EE would NOT be a great buffer for the glad. Your better off seriously with even a level 30 cleric or shillien oracle who will give you more DPS.. and it only gets far better as they go up in level.

A Glad has lots of DD ability the EE will only add to its capability

What exactly will it add? Details, please. Because, MY Saint only has one buff that adds DD ability - Might 3.

(P.S. Before you accuse Ashane of pulling stats out of his butt again, check out l2calc)

So before we start a flame war I'm gonna say thanks for all the input and I decided to go with the EE sub Gladiator w/ SE on 2nd acct leveling up so its close to 40 for the sub.

Thanks :-D

EE has better buffs for a tank,defensive, terrible melee buffs, no good mage buffs, good heals, recharges, best known for party return.

I agree with Listof

My Light Elf looks better as a Glad then a Human at least to me ;)

Light Elf Gladiator (http://204.127.198.25/ashleymivida/AshleyGhost.jpg)


Opps I have 2 get a picture with duals later :p

Ashley I see that picture everywere ...




Ok here it is

Light Elf Gladiator (http://204.127.198.25/ashleymivida/Glad.jpg)

I disagree that the EE cannot powerlevel the glad...imo your EE will do a great job

Uh...

Because a EE can give him........... might I guess?

A level 35 Human Cleric will give better buffs then a 70 EE in terms of DPS.

Numbers (just on a vanilla 40 glad w/ +4 spir*raid & FP):

DPS w/ EE buffs: 115.3
DPS w/ 35 Cleric buffs: 125.5

Yep, that EE is sure a great buffer for a Glad...... oh wait.......

To sum: No, as multiple of us have said, the EE would NOT be a great buffer for the glad. Your better off seriously with even a level 30 cleric or shillien oracle who will give you more DPS.. and it only gets far better as they go up in level.



Generally most everything (important Buffs) a healer/buffer gives nowadays you can be gotten from scrolls/pots. I said generally so please don't call me on the carpet.
Even PR2 from Bsoe and even the EE fast heals can be replaces by quick heal pots, evasion from scrolls.... as can haste 2 from pots, vr from scrolls, Bsor for rezz etc.

The question as i saw it was going from level 70 to 76. If he solos he will still be at it a year from now (this is a bit of creative license but probably i'm not far off)
I think I could take the Glad and with the right equip,scrolls and the EE and get the glad to 70 faster than he can solo the EE from 70 to 76.

I even read about a glad that got to 76 on CH Buffs.
Therefor i would imagine Dps can be achieved in many ways besides using a buffer.

Its really what you prefer. I've read that EE are the pvsp healer and to alot of people thats important.
The OP has decided to take the EE to 76 and sub a Glad....thereby negating the Glad/EE combo. Be kinda nice in PvsP. He is gonna replace it with a Glad/SE combo..interesting:)
As long as the OP is happy i suppose thats what counts.

To sum: No, as multiple of us have said, the EE would NOT be a great buffer for the glad. Your better off seriously with even a level 30 cleric or shillien oracle who will give you more DPS.. and it only gets far better as they go up in level.

Generally most everything (important Buffs) a healer/buffer gives nowadays you can be gotten from scrolls/pots.


It won't be cheap, though. And the only potable VR buff on the market (from Sack #5) is quite weak.

The question as i saw it was going from level 70 to 76. If he solos he will still be at it a year from now (this is a bit of creative license but probably i'm not far off)

Sure, as he seems to be not a particularly quick leveller. But what makes you think that he will be levelling fast on his Glad?

For EE "soloing" with lvl 30 SO box (and with much less money supply than you would need for the scrolls/pots for your Glad), I'd say it's less than 1 month to level from 70 to 76 if you have no life at all, and about 3 months if you can afford 2 hours of playtime every day.

By the way, you don't need to be lvl 76 to sub. Lvl 75 is enough.

Its really what you prefer. I've read that EE are the pvsp healer and to alot of people thats important.
The OP has decided to take the EE to 76 and sub a Glad....thereby negating the Glad/EE combo. Be kinda nice in PvsP.

Boxed healers aren't for PvP.

I'd say it's less than 1 month to level from 70 to 76 if you have no life at all, and about 3 months if you can afford 2 hours of playtime every day.

1 month 70 to 76 if you have no life? lol... hum - This presumes a party all day long and/or a boxed buffer methinks :)

What exactly will it add? Details, please. Because, MY Saint only has one buff that adds DD ability - Might 3.

Well, technically, there also are Windwalk, Holy Weapon, Clarity and Resist Shock ;)

1 month 70 to 76 if you have no life? lol... hum - This presumes a party all day long and/or a boxed buffer methinks :)

"Soloing" with boxed SO lvl 30+, as I said. FotD till 72, then Commander Rift. Prepare some brezzes for the rift, though.

"A party all day long" could actually be slower, unless it a nuker + EE duo on mobs that drop herbs (preferrably with some other source of Empower as well). Or Bishop + EE duo in Rift or Pagans. Or some CoV/PoF party.

1 month 70 to 76 if you have no life? lol... hum - This presumes a party all day long and/or a boxed buffer methinks :)

"Soloing" with boxed SO lvl 30+, as I said. FotD till 72, then Commander Rift. Prepare some brezzes for the rift, though.

"A party all day long" could actually be slower, unless it a nuker + EE duo on mobs that drop herbs (preferrably with some other source of Empower as well). Or Bishop + EE duo in Rift or Pagans. Or some CoV/PoF party.



Commander Rift for a month straight... now there's something to think about lol!

@ Krissa
VR is nice but not manditory for levelling and imo an EE can easily heal past that.

Someone said 76 is when an EE comes into its own so i went with that.
If you are used to levelling a EE solo.. then a Glad will be very fast.

I disagree about pvsp and Boxed EE. A played healer is better than a boxed one... sure. A boxed EE can be very effective especially if you are going single targets...but even in Muliplayer PvsP it can be usefull.


I didn't know you could solo the hero rift (or wherever the undeads hang out) with a EE/SO combo....but 70 -76 in 3 months... as a casual player even with a SO....i have my doubts. I will even contribute some diamonds since as a 70 EE/SO combo he is gonna have to buy them :eek:.

Guess we'll find out :p

Someone said 76 is when an EE comes into its own so i went with that.

In groups, EE is good starting at lvl 56. The only problem is recharge level penalty... as well as no exp in PoF party before lvl 58 :D

At 76, EE just gets the ability to enchant some skills (and to enchant weapon with Divine attribute, but so far I doubt its usefulness. Maybe in CT2 it will be good).

If you are used to levelling a EE solo.. then a Glad will be very fast.

In duo with BD, with OOP SE buffs. Other than that... no, not very.

I disagree about pvsp and Boxed EE. A played healer is better than a boxed one... sure. A boxed EE can be very effective especially if you are going single targets...

What does this "are going single targets" stuff mean?

but even in Muliplayer PvsP it can be usefull.

In "multiplayer PvP" a boxed EE is going to be 3-shot. You are better off with BSoE.

I didn't know you could solo the hero rift (or wherever the undeads hang out) with a EE/SO combo....but 70 -76 in 3 months... as a casual player even with a SO....i have my doubts.

2 hours a day of solo grind every day is not really "casual", eslecially for an EE.

I will even contribute some diamonds since as a 70 EE/SO combo he is gonna have to buy them :eek:.

Diamonds? :confused:

What exactly will it add? Details, please. Because, MY Saint only has one buff that adds DD ability - Might 3.

Well, technically, there also are Windwalk, Holy Weapon, Clarity and Resist Shock ;)



Well, you're right on one of those. I did forget Holy Weapon. But that's only affective against mobs who are weak to Holy ... and it's like a debuff if you're fighting Holy mobs.

Still, I definitely think that DW, Haste, Focus and Guidance would add FAR more DD ability than Holy Weapon.

The rest of those - WW, Clarity, RS - do not increase DPS. They don't add to your attack, your atk spd. your crit., etc. A glad without them is going to kill just as quickly as a glad with them.

I'm not saying they're not helpful, and while they might increase your damage output over a long period of time (from having more mp, less run time and less time being shocked), that increase is going to be minimal. Plus, you're forgetting, WW2 is easily obtainable via a pot. So it shouldn't even be on the list, because whether the glad has an EE, a lvl 35 cleric, an SE or solos without buffs - he's always going to have WW2 or a pot up, so speed will be equal in all cases.

But anyway, I think the OP made a good choice. A glad w/ an SE will level a lot faster than a glad w/ an EE.

Someone said 76 is when an EE comes into its own so i went with that.

In groups, EE is good starting at lvl 56. The only problem is recharge level penalty... as well as no exp in PoF party before lvl 58 :D

At 76, EE just gets the ability to enchant some skills (and to enchant weapon with Divine attribute, but so far I doubt its usefulness. Maybe in CT2 it will be good).

My fondness for EE comes from their ability to do everything quickly be it healing, or sleeping (trance) or even wind shackel....and if all else fails PR. i just love the heals they forgive so much!
Plus some specific buffs but we are talking the ability of an EE to help a Gald level.

If you are used to levelling a EE solo.. then a Glad will be very fast.

In duo with BD, with OOP SE buffs. Other than that... no, not very.

I've done this but also had an OOP pp. Yeah that went really fast at the Ketras but wasn't as fast as when we added a SH :p i guess everything is relative to some frame of reference....But are you saying that a solo EE is not much slower than a Glad at levelling?

I disagree about pvsp and Boxed EE. A played healer is better than a boxed one... sure. A boxed EE can be very effective especially if you are going single targets...

What does this "are going single targets" stuff mean?

Nice way of saying you are going Ganking :p

but even in Muliplayer PvsP it can be usefull.

In "multiplayer PvP" a boxed EE is going to be 3-shot. You are better off with BSoE.

Possibly if they are the first to get targetted by a mage/Archer group but so are a lot of other toons..we are taking S graders i assume :)

I didn't know you could solo the hero rift (or wherever the undeads hang out) with a EE/SO combo....but 70 -76 in 3 months... as a casual player even with a SO....i have my doubts.

2 hours a day of solo grind every day is not really "casual", especially for an EE

I do about 4 hours per day and i consider myself casual. I do have a tendency to put friends first over pure levelling and perfect parties...and sometimes the parties are more chatty than anything else... but fun :).

I will even contribute some diamonds since as a 70 EE/SO combo he is gonna have to buy them :eek:.

Diamonds? :confused:

Dimensional Diamonds or whatever they are called to enter the rift.

But are you saying that a solo EE is not much slower than a Glad at levelling?

A solo EE is not much slower in levelling than a Glad with just EE buffs and heals.

What does this "are going single targets" stuff mean?

Nice way of saying you are going Ganking :p


The only solo ganker with a box I've seen so far was a lowbie dagger PK with a SE box near Dion.

but even in Muliplayer PvsP it can be usefull.

In "multiplayer PvP" a boxed EE is going to be 3-shot. You are better off with BSoE.


Possibly if they are the first to get targetted by a mage/Archer group


Even if they have a single dagger or even Glad on them.

I will even contribute some diamonds since as a 70 EE/SO combo he is gonna have to buy them :eek:.

Diamonds? :confused:


Dimensional Diamonds or whatever they are called to enter the rift.


Ah, Fragments. Never been in Rift so far?

Well, these aren't the main consumable there. Spirit ore is.

But are you saying that a solo EE is not much slower than a Glad at levelling?

A solo EE is not much slower in levelling than a Glad with just EE buffs and heals.

Then you must be one hellva EE player. I would love to watch you...never to old to learn.

What does this "are going single targets" stuff mean?

Nice way of saying you are going Ganking :p

The only solo ganker with a box I've seen so far was a lowbie dagger PK with a SE box near Dion.

I find this statement strange. I have never seen a low level pk with a SE box. i have never seen a "Gankster" with a SE box. But i have been introduced to ganksters with EE boxes and Ganksters with an live EE....Lots of times.

but even in Muliplayer PvsP it can be usefull.

In "multiplayer PvP" a boxed EE is going to be 3-shot. You are better off with BSoE.

Possibly if they are the first to get targetted by a mage/Archer group

Even if they have a single dagger or even Glad on them

That could be said of any healer by the time the DD are on your healers and killing them... i'd say its over anyway.

I will even contribute some diamonds since as a 70 EE/SO combo he is gonna have to buy them :eek:.

Diamonds? :confused:

Dimensional Diamonds or whatever they are called to enter the rift.

Ah, Fragments. Never been in Rift so far?

Well, these aren't the main consumable there. Spirit ore is.

Been there once to kill a Raid boss. I was given frags but was not the leader.
I level in the open usually..no need to be in the rift :P
Although i am willing to try it...any good quests there??

What game are you playing? Oh nvm, you're from Lionna ><

What game are you playing? Oh nvm, you're from Lionna ><

HEY! Stop hating on Lionna :p

What game are you playing? Oh nvm, you're from Lionna ><

I play on more than one server. Lionna seems to be my home as of late cause i like the people.

Never been on Teon cause i really hate Bots.

I must say though your clan is very generous 10K per rep point. 400 RP = 4,000,000.
Nothing like that on Lionna...guess you guys have just more spare Adenaz..gg.

I must say though your clan is very generous 10K per rep point. 400 RP = 4,000,000.
Nothing like that on Lionna...guess you guys have just more spare Adenaz..gg.

Common practice on the bigger servers.

It helps out "true" newbies, and your clan members dont have to roll up 1-2 alts per month to generate CRP beyond what you'd normally get from Hero's.

4 million is about a hour of hunting really so :)

Yes we have spare Adenaz as you put it. Why? We have brains and know how to make adena. 1 hour fortress siege = 30m+ easily.

Some people level theit toons in their academy to get rep points

Some PvsP

and then, some buy them :o

nice nice, I congratulate both you and Foxie for playing the game!

Sorry for helping out new players to the game.

We'll make sure we stop immediately.

.... Oh wait.. no we wont. EE's get MAD BUFFS to help a GLAD YO!

/Laugh

Sorry for helping out new players to the game.

We'll make sure we stop immediately.

.... Oh wait.. no we wont. EE's get MAD BUFFS to help a GLAD YO!

/Laugh

Awww Foxie (hope you don't mind me calling you that) You know that name actually suits you :)

Please continue to help the helpless Noobs...i'm sure you see yourself as a better person for it.
Kinda a Noobie Lord :eek:

EE have MAD BUFFS...never said that ...but then you seem to be unable to read what i write anyways :mad:

Now there is a thread on TH and their skills somewhere below this. Kinda waiting for your prowess on that one. Only this time i will comment like you.... and pretent you said something you didn't...but then fangirl would come to your rescue and tell me that i was not reading what you wrote and that i will burn in Hell :D.

Yeah, cuz thats all the elder players are... mindless fanboys apparently.

Ever learn the phrase respect your elders? Pretty sure most of us have forgotten more about this game then you'll ever know ;)

Whatever though, continue on thinking we are all ebaying/botting to actually pay newbs to graduate our academies!

Yes we have spare Adenaz as you put it. Why? We have brains and know how to make adena. 1 hour fortress siege = 30m+ easily.

Huh? Call me dumb I don't care, but what do you mean '30m+ easily' for a fortress? Are you referring to selling items after its capture or what?

Yeah, cuz thats all the elder players are... mindless fanboys apparently

Never said that... all i said that if NC isn't involved it isn't offical and as far as i'm concerned is suspect. Yes thats my opinion, and fortunitly, in this country, we are allowed one :)

Ever learn the phrase respect your elders? Pretty sure most of us have forgotten more about this game then you'll ever know ;)

Meh...i thought respect had to earned by actions. Its not chronological or bestowed by time spent in the game. Again that is imo.
Not saying anything about you..if truth were known i kinda like you.
You are a nice guy :o

Whatever though, continue on thinking we are all ebaying/botting to actually pay newbs to graduate our academies!

Never said that either. If you knew me you would know that i detest botters and cheaters in general. Teon is famous for botters and i wouldn't play there if you paid me. I know i'm more and more in the minority but i don't care and i am vocal about it.
I think its enough for a top clan to offer a spot in it in exchange for a toon graduating. I don't think you should have to pay for it.
If you power level and kill raid bosses..takes what 1 week from 1 -40......tell your clannies to get up off their [censored] and earn the rep points. Again....just my opinion :)

ciao

Yes we have spare Adenaz as you put it. Why? We have brains and know how to make adena. 1 hour fortress siege = 30m+ easily.

Huh? Call me dumb I don't care, but what do you mean '30m+ easily' for a fortress? Are you referring to selling items after its capture or what?



Epalutte (SP) farming ofc.

Yes we have spare Adenaz as you put it. Why? We have brains and know how to make adena. 1 hour fortress siege = 30m+ easily.

Huh? Call me dumb I don't care, but what do you mean '30m+ easily' for a fortress? Are you referring to selling items after its capture or what?



Epalutte (SP) farming ofc.



Saw then for 15,000 each on Lionna (Giran afk shop)yesterday. The guy was selling 300+. If that is a fair price thats 2,000 of them in an hour.
Oh my!

A solo EE is not much slower in levelling than a Glad with just EE buffs and heals.

Then you must be one hellva EE player. I would love to watch you...


I doubt you watched many EEs soloed. Or duoed (or crowd controlled in melee minigroups) in Rift.

The only solo ganker with a box I've seen so far was a lowbie dagger PK with a SE box near Dion.

I find this statement strange. I have never seen a low level pk with a SE box. i have never seen a "Gankster" with a SE box. But i have been introduced to ganksters with EE boxes and Ganksters with an live EE....Lots of times.


A buffed lowbie PK is not a rare bird. The one that tries to heal himself with the same buffbox when your twink fights back is indeed rare.

But the only case I've seen with single ganking DD and possibly boxed EE was on PTS, the ganking duo was a hero nuker with a hero EE.

In "multiplayer PvP" a boxed EE is going to be 3-shot. You are better off with BSoE.

Possibly if they are the first to get targetted by a mage/Archer group


Even if they have a single dagger or even Glad on them


That could be said of any healer by the time the DD are on your healers and killing them... i'd say its over anyway.


Of course not. You can windshackle and kite a Glad, you can windshackle and trance a dagger. But your DD box does what at the same time?

I level in the open usually..no need to be in the rift :P
Although i am willing to try it...any good quests there??

The boss is a pretty good quest.

Yes we have spare Adenaz as you put it. Why? We have brains and know how to make adena. 1 hour fortress siege = 30m+ easily.

Huh? Call me dumb I don't care, but what do you mean '30m+ easily' for a fortress? Are you referring to selling items after its capture or what?



Epalutte (SP) farming ofc.



Thanks :)

Well I only got 5 of them as a Bishop in two lengthy Fortress raids. I guess they drop easier for higher levels?

I'm not gonna quote you cause its too much text.

Well Sherlock i said i was in the rift once, to do the boss... so yes i haven't seen a EE fight in the rift solo ..like you do. Thats why i said i would love to watch you...not so much for me but for a friend that plays a EE. She is 62 but agrees with you that it can be done. BTW I know my friend plays a lot of Alts on multiple Servers...i hope you're not her cause that would be too funny.

Afaic PTS isn't real...so whatever. BUT...a Sps with EE is a very good combo for Ganking.

Well you said an EE is a 3 shot not only by a mage or archer group but by a Dagger or Glad. I couldn't see a Dagger or Glad 3 shotting them but why argue... you are a EE and i'm sure you've had that happen to you.

Normally when the DD are at your healers and are 3 shotting them its over...just a matter of time.

However, now you are Windshackling the Glad and Trancing the Dagger...no longer a 3 shot??...i am having my problems following you.
Are you arguing with yourself :p

We did the Boss with a full party...do you do that solo too... O.O

Don't answer..... was j/k

Knight's Epaulettes sell for 150 - 200k each on Teon. How to farm them? Not gonna tell ya :P But here's a hint: the guards are like normal mobs, normal drop rules apply..

was j/k

I really hope so :p

Heh :)

Would still like to know in as much detail as possible how to solo the rift. If you have a link to any post that i could pass along to my friend i would appreciate it.
:)

Browse (or search) through Bishop and EE forum sections. There should be some.

Start to level my lvl 15 Human fighter and power level him with the 70 EE.

You're not going to be power levelling a fighter with an EE.

Level the EE and subclass it.

Heh :)

Would still like to know in as much detail as possible how to solo the rift. If you have a link to any post that i could pass along to my friend i would appreciate it.
:)

Turn Undead. It gets really good after 3rd Class, when you can enchant for Add Damage.

Jiggie, if u start playing JiggieJr again (I know I know, he has another name now, hilarious lawl), I promise to buff u a few times with Angeliqa... Deal?