what the hell is going on, i have been looking every where to find a good class to solo or a good place for my toon and every where i read its dual box this dual box that, cant we all party or just solo like a real man??
IMO most people that dual box are also botting anyways i say stop the dual boxing and bring back the real players
Darren out :)
so it is possible to solo then because i have a lvl 42 BH on luna and im finiding it really hard to solo mostly cause i have no money, and i no it should not bother me as i only play for fun but it sucks when i see other people dual botting especially when they are taged (you no who you are) CRAZY!!!
so it is possible to solo then because i have a lvl 42 BH on luna and im finiding it really hard to solo mostly cause i have no money, and i no it should not bother me as i only play for fun but it sucks when i see other people dual botting especially when they are taged (you no who you are) CRAZY!!!
If your going solo a BH you need to be hunting in Herbs spots only and keep heal pot on you just in case.
You won't make any real money till 55+ so just level and do your best till then. Don't rush 2 top level or even think about it becasue guess what over 1/2 the server is top level so what's your rush?
o man really every one that high all ready? i worked my balls of to get this high :( ahh spose i do have a day job might have to give up the job :)
what would you say is best wep for bh?
o man really every one that high all ready? i worked my balls of to get this high :( ahh spose i do have a day job might have to give up the job :)
what would you say is best wep for bh?
I have this fellow on MSN that says everyday that his toons on Luna are now 70+.... and NCSoft doesn't do anything.
how in gods name can i afford a yaska server has been up over a month and i only have 3kk and thats doing all quests and lvling with no ss until 42 something funny is going on with this server as i c so many people in top c OE stuff its getting stupid people need to calm down and have some fun
o man really every one that high all ready? i worked my balls of to get this high :( ahh spose i do have a day job might have to give up the job :)
what would you say is best wep for bh?
I have this fellow on MSN that says everyday that his toons on Luna are now 70+.... and NCSoft doesn't do anything.
and you haven't checked it to see for sure.... and considering that if he/she has admited to using methods that are questionable.. you haven't reported them for what reason?
I got yelled at by some of my own clannies cause i reported a fellow clanny and fellow alliance members and ended up they got banned (a few)....... no skin of my back, not sure why people insist that "friends" are friends and you should never report them even if they murdered someone.
Yeah... imho.. GMs should make a ban on all over 65.
You must mean on Luna ;)
whats going on is people are both lazy & greedy.
Lazy in that they wont take the time to actually party with live people.
Greedy in that: why party with live people and have to share drops/exp when I can just jump in with my own toons & keep everything.
I have lvl'd my toon to lvl 76 so far without the need for a "Buff-Bot" account. :)
You can do it, people just dont want to.
not 100& true, I Have been playing for over 4 years and I just got my Box Buffer during the last year. I always solo on my SH becasue it was simply hard to get a party they didn't want a Nuker that sits to regen they wanted DD's that can fight non stop. After a while a made a WC. again hard 2 get parties becasue at low lvl WC buffs sucks. It wasn't till I got 52+ that I got grouped a lot as WC and now I can't log on my WC and not get a party.
I got a SE on a second account not becasue I wanted be alone but becasue my time for playing is not like it use 2 be. When I log on I don't want spend a hour looking for a party. I am the party now and people join and ask 2 join me.
Now I can hunt when I want and for How long I want. I sure other people like that that's why they have buffers. I know a lot of people that party but have buffers. It's just a lot simpler to level with a always ready Buffer.
Don't hate people that Dual Box they are here 2 stay and not going anywhere so get over it. Just find some one like me and party with them. I had hunting parters come and go. Just the nature of the game.
I like hunting partners it's keeps me motivated but I'm not going sit around looking for one. :p
I also like 2 add that anyone that don't want to party a BH is Nuts.
If the BH in a party set 2 share spoill everyone in the party should be happy to have a BH with them.
o man really every one that high all ready? i worked my balls of to get this high :( ahh spose i do have a day job might have to give up the job :)
what would you say is best wep for bh?
Oh there are players much higher than that.
Also, you are a bounty hunter. A dwarf bounty hunter. Sorry but you will work even harder in 10 lvls. I'm not sure you realize how much harder.
And I'm afraid I'm a freedom of choice type person. If someone wants to solo (aka me) then the person should be allowed to solo. However, L2 requires buffs to solo.
So, people 2 box. They could wait for a long, long time for a buffer/healer but they could also just log out and do something else.
The problem is that NC Dev's have made it so that you need buffs, that grouping can be significantly worse than than soloing.
And given that this is a pvp game, you don't know who is going to answer your group request, get you to a place and then call his/her buddies to pk you. So, you tend to group more with clan and alliance mates. If you clan or alliance is not supporting their BH then they are the wrong clan or alliance and you might consider finding a new one.
I know for myself I would group any person in my clan or alliance regardless of how effective they are as I might just kill the mob way before they even get to it.
However, I also don't wait around for people to "dilly dally" in their warehouse, be social while I'm waiting at the meeting site, or go out and walk the dog but not tell me. My time is gold.
IMO if someone wants to two-box, or even just have a second account for a buffer that isn't actively played but just gives them support every 20 minutes, that's their choice to play that way and spend the extra money. Only potential issue I have is if they want to get two rolls at a nice piece of loot because of second box - might need to discuss.
However, I do not like automated play in any form. So this botting really bothers me - not to mention the reason we have to put up with Gameguard is it is supposed to end it? But it doesn't work.
whats going on is people are both lazy & greedy.
Lazy in that they wont take the time to actually party with live people.
Greedy in that: why party with live people and have to share drops/exp when I can just jump in with my own toons & keep everything.
I have lvl'd my toon to lvl 76 so far without the need for a "Buff-Bot" account. :)
You can do it, people just dont want to.
Come on it has nothing to do with being lazy or greedy. Yes there are greedy and/or lazy people in game, but 2boxing is far from lazy. I have lvl'd a Sps to 72 and a glad to 60 solo before there was herbs or newby buffs. It's not hard it just takes time. As long as someone isn't using a 3rd party program to play this game I'm ok with them playing as many accounts as they want.
i'm actually not a very fond supporter over dual boxing as it does promote self sufficiency and exludes other users that could easily fill the gap. It basically throws the whole idea of Multi player out the window as your playing solo by yourself most of the time.
Anyways,
Dual boxing screams for users to drop the class that basically is only able to provide buffs and heals, leaving only those playing malee/dd's to do the work. What happened is people started off playing support classes only to find down the road that more and more people were starting to box these characters and oventually they got fed up as more and more people felt the need to just do it by themselves. Result was these people that had picked support classes quit or rerolled for actually soloable types.
What REALLY pulled the pin was the fact that with an outside buffer, you get significantly more xp.. which is faster lvling.
What NCSOFT should have done is given party bonuses. Instead of deviding the adena/xp/sp evenly among the party members, they should have given values nearly identical to that of what it would have been if the players had soloed the monster.
This game PROMOTES the use of boxing, or soloing.... it's quite irritating.
While you raise some good points, I have never met a sane player that would prefer an off-box healer to one that is being controlled by a dedicated player. So, I think given the choice between "do you guys want me to two-box my bish" and "hey my friend is a bish and wants to come", most players will always choose the friend who is actually playing the bishop as his/her character.
Now, for outside buffing - you are completely correct and this is simply incorrect game design by NCsoft. There is no other way to put it, and it is the reason why almost all recently designed MMO's do not permit outside buffing. It's just an obsolete idea, proven failure, and will not be repeated in future mmo's.
As far as whether the game promotes group play or solo play, I'm very certain the game strongly promotes group play, so I don't agree with you there. When one person controls two or three characters, that is group play, from the game's point of view. The game cannot help the fact that someone chooses to play two characters at once, instead of making a friend and grouping with her.
no i'm refering to group play being negatively effected.
alot of people prefer to solo, even without full buffs as they will generally get more xp/sp/adena/drops then if they were in various sizes of parties...
It's really irritating knowing that hey i could be in the back of apostate or front of devotion soloing, getting 17,000 to 28,000 xp per kill, but being packed into a party getting 3000-7000 xp is well.... rediculious.
I don't know how our experiences could be so different.
I can solo and get 5k per kill with slower kills and limited downtime. Or I can trio and get 2-3k, kill three-four times faster, and with no downtime. I get more xp per hour when I trio. No question about it. So what if the number I see when the mob is killed is smaller? Doesn't matter. Same with adena drop - I'm getting more adena per hour in a trio. So what if adena per mob is lower?
Ratio between the two is different - higher ratio of adena per xp soloing, but that is only because you get xp bonus when grouped.
Drops? If you are in a group you are going to be able to hunt in places you could not effectively hunt while solo. If you do that, you are going to have access to more valuable drops.
i'm well aware of the party up get lower values.. but kill faster.
problem is, that in countless situations, the walls that are hit tend to be steep steps..
if you go into a slightly harder zone, it tends to be far to difficult for a dou/trio to manage
if you stay in the same zone, you killing either to quickly resulting in waiting for respawn, or the mobs in the area were simply not designed for groups.
Catacombs... anything over 4 people tends to be a waist of time.
If i can kill an entire room full of mobs in the catas solo, giving me 10,000xp per kill. and just barely keeping up with the respawn. In 20 minutes getting myself 25%xp.
vs being in a party of 3, go much further in the back which would give a soloer 17,000+ xp per kill but is devided amongst the 3 to give roughly 6000xp per kill. Killing the whole room, in 20 minutes has resulted in only 15%
even though the kill rate increase .... it's not faster enough to warrant the nerf of sharing the xp.
whats going on is people are both lazy & greedy.
Lazy in that they wont take the time to actually party with live people.
Greedy in that: why party with live people and have to share drops/exp when I can just jump in with my own toons & keep everything.
I have lvl'd my toon to lvl 76 so far without the need for a "Buff-Bot" account. :)
You can do it, people just dont want to.
Venomlady has hit the mark. It's completely doable, people just insist and self justify to themselves in any manner, way, shape or form that they cannot level without OOP buffers. Greed is the absolute reason why Boxing/botting is done. And yes, NCsoft allows it and even worse makes changes to the game that make it easier to do so. The G15 and Nostromo (among other hardware and software combinations) are pretty much placing those OOP buffbots at near automation, of course that's not what a boxer/botter would have you think since NCsoft allows it. It's a dead horse that needs to beaten, rezzed and beaten again until MAYBE something is done, but don't hold on to that hope.
Well i dont have problems finding people to lvl with, im in a clan and thats hlps. Maybe u need a clan/aliance to, to get more access to groups.
As for ur comment on duo-boxing, i know that personaly i got tired/fedup to lvl someone elses support class only to find myself without them after a few lvls. So i took the matter into my own hands and lvled me up a PP and an SE. That way, when i cant find anyone, which can be alot now, due to lack of actual suport classes, i can still enjoy the game. It was a personal choice that as hlped me a grat deal in continuying to enjoy the game. Ideally i will leave a spot open for real support class, but that doesnt happen much, so normally, i can just leave them in the party. :)
I normally like a good party of different classes to tackle on DVC, TOI, catas etc... so i keep an eye out for shouts in clan about gprs like that, or sometimes, maybe i ask clannies if their interested in one...
This game can be as fun as YOU let it be for you, you dont need to blame anyone else but u if you are not enjoying urself.
I've been here sin OB and i still get a kick out of this game. I also do not concentrate on reaching end-game to quickly and that i believe is the key.....
whats going on is people are both lazy & greedy.
Lazy in that they wont take the time to actually party with live people.
Greedy in that: why party with live people and have to share drops/exp when I can just jump in with my own toons & keep everything.
I have lvl'd my toon to lvl 76 so far without the need for a "Buff-Bot" account. :)
You can do it, people just dont want to.
Venomlady has hit the mark. It's completely doable, people just insist and self justify to themselves in any manner, way, shape or form that they cannot level without OOP buffers. Greed is the absolute reason why Boxing/botting is done. And yes, NCsoft allows it and even worse makes changes to the game that make it easier to do so. The G15 and Nostromo (among other hardware and software combinations) are pretty much placing those OOP buffbots at near automation, of course that's not what a boxer/botter would have you think since NCsoft allows it. It's a dead horse that needs to beaten, rezzed and beaten again until MAYBE something is done, but don't hold on to that hope.
Whatever..... I play solo for 3 years I did my time so now I have a OOP buffer because of the way things are so what. I still group with others and still level with them and on the weekend I mostly Don't use my buffer because a lot more are on line. But I not going sit around and wait for a Live buffer to party with Because I don't fit your time slot.
I say as long as your not botting or breaking any rules you play the game the way you want and 2 HELL with what others thinking they not paying your account you are.
Pirotesa - I don't think "boxing" and "botting" are the same thing, so I don't think it is right to lump them together. I don't see what is "greedy" about paying twice as much as other people in order to control two characters instead of one.
Judas - you have a good point with Catacombs specifically.. at least the ones I have seen so far.. because most rooms are small(ish), you're going to have a hard time getting a productive full group in there. But, you know, the regular dungeons can be very rewarding. People complain about how expensive B-grade is, but seem to have forgotten that if you were to xp in Giants Cave and AL at appropriate levels (and those are definitely places where a full group can thrive), you are going to get lots of bits and pieces of B-grade gear. People wonder why its rare and don't seem to stop to think about where they're xping and what drops there. Probably NCsoft just made catacombs a little *too* appealing compared to other dungeons. You can see them admitting their error in the next patch - they are buffing rewards and drop rates in Cruma Tower. I suspect they will make similar adjustments in other old dungeons.
Helldereth - "I also do not concentrate on reaching end-game too quickly and that I believe is the key." You got that right! Secret of mmo-enjoyment right there.
Cry me a river, I've been soloing myself as an SE for 4 years. There is still no reason to box/bot an OOP buffer. As I said before, every and any reason to justify using one.
Cry me a river, I've been soloing myself as an SE for 4 years. There is still no reason to box/bot an OOP buffer. As I said before, any and any reason to justify using one.
LOL who is the one crying! I'm not I don't have problems with leveling at all how about you?
No you just another SE that think she has it so hard. I leveled a SE, EE, and WC (ok so WC not hard 2 level) solo no boxed buffer and did fine and you don't see my crying about others using box buffers. As long as they not botting 2 each is own. calling some one a botter because you have a problem with people 2 boxing is your problem. a lot of people 2 box now it's not going away.
as for the botters all you can do is keep reporting over and over and hope some day they get banned or game guard does it's job.
No you just another SE that think she has it so hard. I leveled a SE, EE, and WC (ok so WC not hard 2 level) solo no boxed buffer and did fine and you don't see my crying about others using box buffers. As long as they not botting 2 each is own. calling some one a botter because you have a problem with people 2 boxing is your problem. a lot of people 2 box now it's not going away.
as for the botters all you can do is keep reporting over and over and hope some day they get banned or game guard does it's job.
You're exactly right. Just as you think boxing/botting is ok, I also think you are still botting, so it remains a matter of perspective. Just do it.
Cry me a river, I've been soloing myself as an SE for 4 years. There is still no reason to box/bot an OOP buffer. As I said before, every and any reason to justify using one.
You take every opportunity to cry about dual boxing. Do you solo your SE because dual boxes take all of the good parties, or does nobody want to party you because you're a bitter know-it-all that likes to gnaw on people until they lose their temper?
The fact of the matter is that macros are game design. Nostromo is legit. And, no matter how many posts you make about it - NC isn't gonna care what you think.
So keep spewing hot air out of your crack - And keep on telling yourself you don't get parties because of dual boxes, while you're at it.
Cry me a river, I've been soloing myself as an SE for 4 years. There is still no reason to box/bot an OOP buffer. As I said before, every and any reason to justify using one.
You take every opportunity to cry about dual boxing. Do you solo your SE because dual boxes take all of the good parties, or does nobody want to party you because you're a bitter know-it-all that likes to gnaw on people until they lose their temper?
The fact of the matter is that macros are game design. Nostromo is legit. And, no matter how many posts you make about it - NC isn't gonna care what you think.
So keep spewing hot air out of your crack - And keep on telling yourself you don't get parties because of dual boxes, while you're at it.
And along comes Mancubus...
I will keep saying boxing/botting is wrong, even if it happens to come out of my other end, that way it's louder!
No you just another SE that think she has it so hard. I leveled a SE, EE, and WC (ok so WC not hard 2 level) solo no boxed buffer and did fine and you don't see my crying about others using box buffers. As long as they not botting 2 each is own. calling some one a botter because you have a problem with people 2 boxing is your problem. a lot of people 2 box now it's not going away.
as for the botters all you can do is keep reporting over and over and hope some day they get banned or game guard does it's job.
You're exactly right. Just as you think boxing/botting is ok, I also think you are still botting, so it remains a matter of perspective. Just do it.
Were do you see me say botting is ok?
Can you even read?
I hate Botters and my they all Burn in Hell!"
Can you read that or your that piss off you only read thing the way you want 2?
O wait you will be deleted soon why do I even bother taking 2 someone so bitter they call everyone a botter even people that have never botted.
Cry me a river, I've been soloing myself as an SE for 4 years. There is still no reason to box/bot an OOP buffer. As I said before, every and any reason to justify using one.
You take every opportunity to cry about dual boxing. Do you solo your SE because dual boxes take all of the good parties, or does nobody want to party you because you're a bitter know-it-all that likes to gnaw on people until they lose their temper?
The fact of the matter is that macros are game design. Nostromo is legit. And, no matter how many posts you make about it - NC isn't gonna care what you think.
So keep spewing hot air out of your crack - And keep on telling yourself you don't get parties because of dual boxes, while you're at it.
And along comes Mancubus...
I will keep saying boxing/botting is wrong, even if it happens to come out of my other end, that way it's louder!
Sorry but I feel "wrong" is a bit too strong.
In a competitive game, people (who are competitive) are going to take every advantage they can (hopefully "legal" and in the spirit of the game design) to advance themselves.
since many want to maximize every bit of playtime with regards to xp, they are going to always want buffs. If they use an in party buffer then that is going to cut into their leveling when they can be leveling even faster with oop buffs.
sure, it's not social but when one has a very competitive game it breeds competitive practices. But "wrong' seems a bit beyond the pale to my thinking. Convenient, not promoting social interaction, not being neighborly, expediant... all that is more apt.
But all the dev's had to do was either make it so that buffers/healers were more than batteries or perhaps make it so that being in party gave a decent boost to xp.
edit: I would also like to add the experience I once had where I was happy leveling where I was, enjoying the area and my thougths when a SE contacted me wanting to group. Though I was happy with what I was doing I acquieseced only to have the SE complain that they weren't getting the xp they wanted and wanted to go elsewhere.
I felt the xp was acceptable but proceeded to try out a few places as they were never too happy with the xp. Finally found a place and they had to log.
Thus ruining my night. So... sometimes soloing with pots, oop buffs or clan hall buffs is a bit more fun ;)
Botting = bad, and you should go play in heavy traffic for doing it.
boxing = ok, but I agree it is not a good thing, BUT!!!
The issue is that NC bent over the buffers and made them take it so that a lot of people do not enjoy playing them - so it kinda made people to box a buffer since their are not that many live one around.
For most people that I know - if there is a live buffer, that person gets in the party before any boxed ones do.
Venomlady has hit the mark. It's completely doable, people just insist and self justify to themselves in any manner, way, shape or form that they cannot level without OOP buffers. Greed is the absolute reason why Boxing/botting is done. And yes, NCsoft allows it and even worse makes changes to the game that make it easier to do so. The G15 and Nostromo (among other hardware and software combinations) are pretty much placing those OOP buffbots at near automation, of course that's not what a boxer/botter would have you think since NCsoft allows it. It's a dead horse that needs to beaten, rezzed and beaten again until MAYBE something is done, but don't hold on to that hope.
There's much more reasons than just greed for duo boxing and OOP buffers.
There's much more reasons than just greed for duo boxing and OOP buffers.
Some people can't seam 2 see that. I have partied with a SE or Bishop not even in my clan even thou I have a SE on a second account ready to buff and heal me. But like so many live Buffers and healers they get bored then want log and come back later so now I'm stuck with no buffs or heals and have 2 lvl the hard way spaming Heal pots. I don't think so.
2 many things have been added 2 the game to make soloing a little bit easer for buffers. Transformations for one are better for any buffer then a fighter except maybe a dwarf. Pets have come a long way and is a good partner for many buffers. I don't even think i would gotten my WC to 74+ if not for my Wolf. I would gave up on her a long time ago but my pet wolf saved her and I made her back in beta. Now I will be subbing soon on my WC, I could done the same on my SE just WC was lot more fun then My SE with all the things a WC can do. The one thing I truly think a SE needs is a UnHoly Nuke so they can solo besides using Transformations. Transformations are nice but at 55 you only have 1 hour to level that way then you have wait almost 4 hours to level again.
Don't really understand what's so bad about dualboxxing? It's people's money and they can spend it however they want to. Man I would love to have my own personal buffer, too bad my SE iiiss the one that is being dual boxxed when I'm not playing L2.
But hey for those who don't like dualboxxing, I 100% respect your opinion, but that does not give you the right to critic another person about it becuase it is infact allowable and legal. If it were botting well that's illegal so yea critic away on that.
Where in the MMO manual does it say you have to play together ? All it means is there are multiple players playing at the same time.
Where in the L2 manual does it say you can't run two chars at the same time to assist each other ?
My main pc will have 2 accounts running. One I'm hunting with and another, my arti, sat in Giran offering mat crafting to other players.
My second pc, with my third account, will possibly be another shop in Giran or my SE buffing me. Playing 2 computers alongside each other, I'm not dual boxing, I actually play both at the same time. Somtimes the SE enjoys the ride and gains xp (especially in EV), other times it will sit and wait for me to return for more buffs.
The times I get on are usually when most are off line so I solo. I prefer to solo much of the time as I'm a free spirit to log when I feel like, answer the door, eat, sleep, pee or whatever. After a long day at work, all I want to do is mess for a bit.
Botting is not dual boxing Piro, they are two totally different things. That's not to say that botters don't dual box (or more) but, in no way, does this mean dual boxers are botters.
At the end of the day, this game is about fun. Why should one type of player on one class demand that another class is changed to accommodate their style of play when the player of the second class is perfectly happy and therefore having their own fun ?
So many times we read threads on these boards where people want changes to help their lot. How many actually consider what the outcome of their requested changes would have on other members of the community ?
This topic was raised recently again I believe.
It's a matter of choice really. I do have oop buffpets. Sometimes I party people that are useless in my group just to help them get noble or something(only if they are in clan or alliance) , but sometimes I feel like its a wasted exp/adena/drops going to them since some of them are gonna drop the game/server/clan/alliance whatever.In the other hand there are some people that are auto invited in the group everytime they log and those are the ones committed to the clan for a good amount of time and usually support classes.
How many actually consider what the outcome of their requested changes would have on other members of the community ?
This is a question you should ask people who box/bot. As the choices they have made are part of the problem and has affected many players, most of them gone by now because of it.
I duo box. Most of the time my clan is asleep while I was partying with my wife (sounds funny, but you know what I mean).
Now she no longer plays, so I box a buffer. Dont blame me, I started this game as an SE. After reading the posts on the forum that it would be hard to find a party, I rolled a melee.
I didnt blast the forums about my choice in playing a character that is on the road to failure (at least from what I read starting out). Or why I cant find a party? I RE-ROLLED and if none of my clan is on, I make my own party, strictly for buffs. When they come online I drop the boxed character and we all get together.
Exactly how does that affect anyone? Please dont tell me I could have a live buffer instead of my boxed. Unless my clan is doing something I play leisurely. So that means a buffer would be getting mad at me for ditching THEM :)
Pirotesa: Duo boxing is NOT the same as having a buffer/healer on bot.
If you can manage to play on 2 computers or have 2 clients open on your computer in window mode and controll them both, then it's completly legit. Any GM will tell you that so stop confusing duo boxing with botting please.
I always take live buffer/healer over my SE on duo box if I can find them, but the truth is that there aren't many live SE, PP or WC in this game and it's hard to find one that is in your level range so you can party instead of having your friend or clan mate be OOP.
I don't like the botters anymore than you do (I usualy train every bot in my sight), but I don't find duo boxing wrong IF it's imposible to find a live buffer/healer.
whats going on is people are both lazy & greedy.
Lazy in that they wont take the time to actually party with live people.
Greedy in that: why party with live people and have to share drops/exp when I can just jump in with my own toons & keep everything.
I have lvl'd my toon to lvl 76 so far without the need for a "Buff-Bot" account. :)
You can do it, people just dont want to.
Your argument would be valid, except for the fact that how many people really even play support classes? A lot of people made boxes because of the lack of the played support classes. Don't hate the player, hate the game!
No you just another SE that think she has it so hard. I leveled a SE, EE, and WC (ok so WC not hard 2 level) solo no boxed buffer and did fine and you don't see my crying about others using box buffers. As long as they not botting 2 each is own. calling some one a botter because you have a problem with people 2 boxing is your problem. a lot of people 2 box now it's not going away.
as for the botters all you can do is keep reporting over and over and hope some day they get banned or game guard does it's job.
You're exactly right. Just as you think boxing/botting is ok, I also think you are still botting, so it remains a matter of perspective. Just do it.
Your an Ignorant Idiot if your attempting to associate someone boxing a character and being something Un-Legit.
Your an Ignorant Idiot if your attempting to associate someone boxing a character and being something Un-Legit.
QFT. And seriously, Piro, are you gonna keep blaming people for boxing buffers when they can, and have to if they want to make sane progress in the MOST buff dependant mmo on the market? Need to get it into your head its not the players, but the game itself....thats coming from someone who's played an EE for almost 80 levels :eek: Not many people coming into game (or those that stayed) want to play a class that can't do much killing in whats supposedly a pvp game. Thats why there's a huge lack of live buffer/healers in L2. One day the clue phone will ring and you will pick up, or you'll get a paper route to cover a bufffer account (maybe a dps account though since your a SE)
whan the people prefere theyr box instead of real player, there you have the real problem you are looking for, so its not only about the game... its about people
There are supports that like to support partys but whan there is no party for tham and they see people boxing or teling box > live ... they just reroll or leave. So dont blame the game, or that you cant find supports whan you box...
You know, something is really wrong with this community. Every newbie that is coming to the game, hears in this forum that without dual-box don't even think about playing.
I won't ever dual box, you know. I will always search for parties, in clan'ally or elsewhere. For me, dualboxing is just like botting, it's killing the game, cause some people are lazy and want everything made easy.
I love playing support, and I will continue playing it. Even if I'm an Euro player playing the NA server (hinde).
I don't have any problem with looking/waiting for parties, if I have no party, I will go and earn my money with fishing or go check market and prices.
Good for you. For my part, I seldom play more than 2 hours in a row so I don't have time to loose waiting for a healer/buffer to log in and party with me when there is none. I got 2 accounts and just group my lvl 56 WS with my lvl 40 WC.
And this is not wanting everything to be made easy. It's just wanting to be able to play. If my lvl 56 WS had to xp alone, I'd have to rest between each fight (as I seldom use SS).
A majority of boxed support classes came about because of the lack of people playing support classes to begin with. People DIDN'T force people to not play support classes, they just made up for it.
I have boxed buffers, because when I login I intend on accomplishing something, not sitting around or depending on others to be there for me. When I'm lucky enough to actually find live buffers, I will always party them over boxed characters because its easier on me, but when they aren't I load my own buffers.
Also, how is someone lazy for Dual-Boxing? It requires you to run multiple clients which requires you to do a lot more than just play your main.
I would also like to add the experience I once had where I was happy leveling where I was, enjoying the area and my thougths when a SE contacted me wanting to group. Though I was happy with what I was doing I acquieseced only to have the SE complain that they weren't getting the xp they wanted and wanted to go elsewhere.
I know your pain, Sov. That's why I never group with ANYBODY unless they're a clannie or a friend. Hell, I even won't group with them if I'm not 100% sure they're not idiots/*******es.
It doesn't help that I have pretty high standards.
As for on-topic. Cry more anti-dual boxers. I don't feel like breaking my bank buying consumables to keep on leveling when I don't have any clannies online. I like the fact that I can grind in a cata with my buff box without help from a clannie if they're not online, or if I just don't feel like being social that day.
Also, how is someone lazy for Dual-Boxing? It requires you to run multiple clients which requires you to do a lot more than just play your main.
Tell them idiots it's a lot more work.
Also can be frustrating when trying get to a Spot and you have your buffer on auto follow and you go around a bend and it gets stuck your not paying attention and next thing you know your buffer is getting own by mobs you run back 2 save it only find yourself out number with dead healer.....thank goodness for fake death lol.
Any way that happen yesterday afternoon but later the Ally started logging on (that the waiting for others part).
I log off my buffer and log on my WS set her up 2 sell crap. Then log on my WC and got a full group with my Ally and we riff the rest of the night. And Guess what we had live Buffers for most of the night my WC and a EE. Later they group a Box WC becasue he has COV and I don't..... My WC is not my main it's more my backup main so will be a while before I get COV.
In fact my SE buffer will get POW before my Main WC get COV :p
Play on 2 computers, you won't have to switch :cool:
Oh no I'm wrong, you'll have to switch mouses (or is it 'mice'?) :)
I play on 2 and it's still a Switch. I have a main computer and a Laptop 2 my left and I'm right handed. Yea I know I could put the laptop on my right but the way my computer desk is....it's just not enough room. It's a big Laptop (http://i.dell.com/resize.aspx/inspnnb_1720/131)
I Box because I don't want to waste time trying to find some random buffer... And I box so I can use OOP buffs to lvl faster. That's all there is to it.
Why would I ever want to let some useless lvl 50-60 prophet leech off my summoner when I can use a lvl 79 proph with better buffs OOP and get far more XP? It takes forever to grind up into the 70s, why make it take longer by pulling a buffer along for the ride?
Don't really care if any of you have a problem with boxing or not, it is simply a viable solution to alievating the rediculas grind in this game. End of Story.
just one quetion to those who prefere box > live. Who will buff or heal you in pvp (i mean pvp in that live support would make you win or last longer and not loose)
<3 to all that would take live over box even whan the live has not so good buffs / heals
just one quetion to those who prefere box > live. Who will buff or heal you in pvp (i mean pvp in that live support would make you win or last longer and not loose)
<3 to all that would take live over box even whan the live has not so good buffs / heals
I don't PVP so that question don't manner 2 me.
however I do invite Live Bishop, EE, and SE that are in my Clan/Ally to party with over my Buffer even if they are lower. I will invite Live not in my Clan/Ally if they do they job. I notice if you have a 2 Box they like 2 go AFK and leach I tend 2 not group them.
just one quetion to those who prefere box > live. Who will buff or heal you in pvp (i mean pvp in that live support would make you win or last longer and not loose)
<3 to all that would take live over box even whan the live has not so good buffs / heals
My se will heal me fine in PvP, I have a macro doing the max amount of heals I can on me...
What is wrong with boxing, I had to level that SE up as well, don't forget that, its not like OH WOW HERE IS MY CHARACTER IJ UST GOT OUT OF THIN AIR TO GIVE ME OOP BUFFS?
Yeah I had to sit and level an SE, which is a pain, but it still got done...
[quoteTell them idiots it's a lot more work.
Also can be frustrating when trying get to a Spot and you have your buffer on auto follow and you go around a bend and it gets stuck your not paying attention and next thing you know your buffer is getting own by mobs you run back 2 save it only find yourself out number with dead healer
Autofollow is not hard work trying fight with your main and root mobs and heal you or your pet. targeting alone is a pain when my wolf gets in the way so now I just keep the SE in party so targeting is easy. But it's still not as simple as it looks. and what do you know you play a SE only. :p
i'd suggest anyone to log into seighardt and then shout for weeks on end LF prophet.... you just may get lucky..
most clans don't have se's/prophets anymore that aren't actually just in there for conveinence sake for a single player that has a main and them as boxes.
as i've stated, i've hated the concept of boxing... it's game breaking in many ways... and until really now, no one had really realized the extent of it. And even now still alot more either refuse/deny it or ignore it.
I also think using a nostromo or G15 is as bad as botting, but being that it's an allowed peice of hardware in this game, all i can say is that i feel sorry for the player that needs it to win at any cost.
Taking advantage of every loop hole in the game is only fun for a small percentage, and usually those don't actually realize that it isn't all that fun because the players they end up playing against or with specifically gets narrowed down to an elitism senario.
I've got both those tools at my advantage, i'd used them, with the right understanding you can do major damage to the way the game is played, and get an advantage that is imo cheating in every sense of the word. But as i stated, it's allowed in game..... just to bad that i usually try to avoid them. Fight against someone that has it, if i win i'm shocked, if i lose, i don't really consider it a loss..
Botting is one thing, Boxing is completely the other..
Botting only requires 1 client, and is complete automated in every way, setup and walk away.
Boxing, requires the use of multiple clients, and actively being there at all times to manage both clients simultaniously, without the nostromo/g15, multitasking like that is extremely difficult, and is usually extremely inefficient vs a real player playing that toon 100%..
Course there is a factor for bad players... but the only way to get those players good or as good is to have them actually play, and well
we end up in the viscious circle of "if you box, they can't learn, if you don't box, they have to learn at thier own learning curve, and there is no guarantee that they'll be as good therefore you box while you wait"
just one quetion to those who prefere box > live. Who will buff or heal you in pvp (i mean pvp in that live support would make you win or last longer and not loose)
<3 to all that would take live over box even whan the live has not so good buffs / heals
I'm not really sure that most people prefer box over live. What most people prefer is to have a fun and enjoyable gaming experience.
Waiting around for buffers and healers is not fun. And for any buffer or healer I'm sure you can attest that waiting around for a party is "not fun".
As far as I'm concerned I will take a live buffer or healer anytime. Heck, I even partied an EE that was much lower than me but could heal me if needed and rez me if needed.
However, I don't want to sign in and wait around while people get their act together. If a party is to be made we should be able to be at the site in 10 minutes. I know I can do this ALL THE TIME. Therefore I don't see why other can't.
Sends me up the wall when I am waiting at the site only to see in chat that a party member was just "checking on some prices in Giran".
However, that really is more of a "party issue" over a live buffer/healer issue.
Still, it is part of it. And to continue, in a game where you need buffs, for those who want to be hardcore and level, level level, it makes more sense to have your own as you can't rely on a buffer to be with you for 5 hours straight.
just one quetion to those who prefere box > live. Who will buff or heal you in pvp (i mean pvp in that live support would make you win or last longer and not loose)
<3 to all that would take live over box even whan the live has not so good buffs / heals
My se will heal me fine in PvP, I have a macro doing the max amount of heals I can on me...
and im sure she can root the enemy dagger running to you and run from his range whan he get out a bow and mobs are on you, drink cp pots whan the daggers friend take her as first target to kill, she can sure heal herself or you while you focus to kill enemy and reroot the dagger whan root is off and so on... (just one of the many pvps out there) im sure you can do that with 2 box, i wonder why in pvp mostly the party with live suport win
Look if you don't like dualboxxing, don't do it, but don't criticize others that do cause they can do it, and their is nothing you can do about, just go into another room, have yourself something good to eat/drink, take a nap then go on with your life, it's really not that serious.
This is a GAME people it is not LIFE please remember how to tell the difference.
Here is the part that will really bake your noodle..
If someone is running 2 clients and playing both.. who has the right to decide which is the main and which is the 2box?
Really.. that is up to the player with 2 clients. It is possible to run the support class as the main and use a DD for smashing in PVE only. It is possible to use a support class only for buffs. It is also possible to run 2 computers side by side and learn both toons well.
To make a blanket statement like "2boxing kills support classes" is assuming that every 2 box IS a support class, that every person using it has that support class on AF, and that nobody takes those support classes out aside from 2boxing. That is a HUGE and very inaccurate assumption. (and you know what happens when you assume.. ;))
Also, as stated above, it is not against the EULA to have a 2nd client. It IS however against the forum rules to flame others, especially when it comes to botting accusations. *cough*
I just love that Pirotessa is an SE... that's just so fitting to me.
I'm an EE. As sucky as your SE class is now, you didn't have the joy of experiencing C1-C3 with an EE. Before I even hit level 30 I had tons of people telling me to reroll. Time after time after time, in Cruma Tower, in DVC, in ally, I was passed over for an SE or Bishop. I had no purify, no VR, no empower, etc. My clan was really good about partying me, but they weren't always on, or often already had parties going when I logged on, so I spent a LOT of time sitting around LFG.
I graduated college and entered the work force sometime around C2, so with the change in my schedule there are many times I can only log on for an hour here or there. I just wanted to be able to log on and play, not constantly be dependent on others for my ability to play and enjoy the game. (This was all before fishing and Turn Undead, btw.)
So I boxed an SpS. But my EE always has and always will be my main. My SpS constantly stayed 3 or more levels behind my EE, because any time I got the chance, I partied my EE (and I never partied on my SpS.) But even with the parties, I soloed most of level 64 - 76. I partied most of level 68 and duoed w/ friends for at least part of levels 74/75. But other than that, it was just the occasional party. A huge part of that, as I said, was my play time. It's kinda hard to log in and find an FOG AOE group when you only have 1 hour to play.
Other than 3 good friends who duoed with me for the sole purpose of trying to help me get my last few levels to 75, I have rarely been invited to a duo with any class. (I had a few duos in C1 with some archers, other than that, NEVER.) And although archer parties and AOE parties loved me, they were often already going when I logged on - or else I didn't have the 2-3 hours to wait for them to pull together.
But you know what? I don't for even an instant blame dual boxing as the reason for my having a hard time finding parties C1-C3. I blame NCsoft for making SEs so godly compared to EE. Plain and simple, people didn't want an EE when they were going in to places where mobs paralyzed, or when they were dagger groups who could tank DVC mobs w/ VR, or when they were a SpS who could 2 shot w/ EMP.
And now, being able to log in for an hour here or there and solo is what allows me to play the game. If I couldn't dual box, I wouldn't bother logging in. And how exactly would that help the community? It wouldn't. At least when I'm online, dual boxing, I'm talking w/ friends. And sometimes I'll stop what I'm doing and go help them craft, or go party w/ them for a few minutes or go rez them. If I wasn't able to dual box, I wouldn't log in at all during those times and I wouldn't be able to do any of that.
Cry all you want, but you are seriously in the minority thinking that dual boxing is the same as botting. Most people are smart enough to know that that's not the case and all your belly-aching just makes you look even more foolish.