I'm very excited about Inquisitor and Bless the Blood. I didn't get to play PTS and probably won't get to log in for a little while longer, but just having the options that Inquisitor gives makes me a happy camper.
The only action I've seen, however, is a video on YT with a low-level EE. Am I correct in assuming that the Inquisitor main nuke is comparable in casting time to a standard nuke? I've read a couple of claims that the reuse is as fast as Might of Heaven, which sounds pretty impressive considering that it's nearly as powerful as a nuker's nuke at max level.
In short, is there a significant downside to this stance besides the obvious inability to access most of your normal class skills and the brief casting times and delays on stance-shifting? If I understand correctly, this stance basically makes the character a holy-based nuker with slightly less power, less range, fewer skills (mainly no vortex), no higher mana gain, and possibly a shorter reuse delay on main nuke...?
On SE inquisitor, You have a surrender, a nuke that is same cast, range, reuse, as all basic 900range nukes with the cast speed and range dependent on the user as all magic is, you also have an aoe attack that hits hard. and you have empower. The skills automatically upgrade with level too. and i think u have some other skill i cnt remember, also it doesnt take long to switch between healer/buffer state and nuker state.
Im not sure if its holy but all and all, VoS is not the only place to level
matter of fact its become pretty dangerous since their magic crits more, they UD and sometimes chain UD, and they use SS and SPS, so VoS requires more care yet is still possible as i did it at level 49, 2 shot with emp3
Holy is a pretty nice damage type to have considering the abundance of demonic and undead mobs in the game, the majority of which are weak to sacred attacks. A few hunting spots might be less than optimal, but places like VoS are for lower levels, anyway, and it's not like there's a gigantic XP wall to get over in the 50-70 range, especially with the advent of the Vitality system. Besides, if you simply must level in a place where the mobs resist holy nukes, the healer can play the traditional support function.
Anyway, thanks for the nice info in this thread. I've heard some comments/complaints concerning the power of the holy DoT/debuff, so I'm hoping it's really as strong as rumor says. Also, the screenshot I saw of a high-level character on Thai PTS using Inquisitor had the main nuke at 750 range, not 900. Is that correct?
Anyway, thanks for the nice info in this thread. I've heard some comments/complaints concerning the power of the holy DoT/debuff, so I'm hoping it's really as strong as rumor says. Also, the screenshot I saw of a high-level character on Thai PTS using Inquisitor had the main nuke at 750 range, not 900. Is that correct?
Yes. Inquisitor is a VERY nice addition for healers, especially for SE who so far had no real way of doing ANYTHING at higher levels without a party - and of course it allows them to finally DO something in pvp except for buffing others with emp and then sitting in a corner.
There are two major drawbacks to inquisitor stance, but I will gladly live with them in exchange for finally getting an attack skill on my se:
- nuke range is only 750, not 900. So in pvp healers are at a disadvantage compared to "real" nukers and archers simply because of the max range.
- you cannot use ANY other skill except for the nukes, the surrender to holy skill and the two buffs you get in inquisitor stance (hw/emp for SE). So no heals, no root/sleep, not even augmentation skills (I think). You are limited to purely nuking, and if you want to do anything else, you have to switch back from inquisitor stance (which can be done at any time and as often as you want, but it still takes a few seconds, so it is not practical to go to a siege and try to nuke AND heal by switching to inquisitor stance and back all the time - and if you solo and do a bad pull, you have no way of doing any crowd control via trance/root).
just question, did any of you try the the skills after 76lv?
no?
come back whan you did pl...
Blame the stupid NC-NA team who refused to let us test it on PTS. I mean, does anyone even know whether SE Inquisitors can be recharged or not? A nuker that can not be recharged = a sitter for life.
just question, did any of you try the the skills after 76lv?
no?
come back whan you did pl...
Blame the stupid NC-NA team who refused to let us test it on PTS. I mean, does anyone even know whether SE Inquisitors can be recharged or not? A nuker that can not be recharged = a sitter for life.
you cant be recharged but you can use invocation, only BP can be recharged its not so bad, if and only IF the skill will be not usless after 76 -78lv (I still have the feeling it will end like using wind strike at 50+ lvs...yes you do dmg... lmao...)
just question, did any of you try the the skills after 76lv?
no?
come back whan you did pl...
Blame the stupid NC-NA team who refused to let us test it on PTS. I mean, does anyone even know whether SE Inquisitors can be recharged or not? A nuker that can not be recharged = a sitter for life.
you cant be recharged but you can use invocation, only BP can be recharged its not so bad, if and only IF the skill will be not usless after 76 -78lv (I still have the feeling it will end like using wind strike at 50+ lvs...yes you do dmg... lmao...)
Well the title of this thread should be " BISHOPs have nee blessed yet again" instead. 'cos no party is going to invite a forever mpless SE Inquisitor to sit by them all day. and in solo, even with 10 boxed buffers, a SE Inquisitor can not gain much exp either if he/she has to sit for mp every 2 mins.
Well the title of this thread should be " BISHOPs have nee blessed yet again" instead. 'cos no party is going to invite a forever mpless SE Inquisitor to sit by them all day. and in solo, even with 10 boxed buffers, a SE Inquisitor can not gain much exp either if he/she has to sit for mp every 2 mins.
It really depends where you go xp. On the PTS, I tried out inquisitor on my SE. I was easily able to nuke mobs (2-shot) for three buff rounds non-stop without even having invocation yet - simply because of mp herb drops. Of course you won't be able to do everything a nuker can, e.g. hunt in no-herb areas in a duo with a recharger - both EE and SE cannot be recharged, and Bishop does not have the higher mana gain passive. But you can't really expect things to be like that, anyway. Inquisitor stance still is a VERY nice addition. Only big question remaining (and sadly nobody could check that on the PTS) is if the skill automatically lvls up even after lvl 74/75, i.e. if the nukes continue gaining power - or if you maybe can enchant the skill. Because nuking lvl 80+ mobs with a lvl 74 learn lvl nuke sucks hard.
just question, did any of you try the the skills after 76lv?
no?
come back whan you did pl...
Blame the stupid NC-NA team who refused to let us test it on PTS. I mean, does anyone even know whether SE Inquisitors can be recharged or not? A nuker that can not be recharged = a sitter for life.
you cant be recharged but you can use invocation, only BP can be recharged its not so bad, if and only IF the skill will be not usless after 76 -78lv (I still have the feeling it will end like using wind strike at 50+ lvs...yes you do dmg... lmao...)
Well the title of this thread should be " BISHOPs have nee blessed yet again" instead. 'cos no party is going to invite a forever mpless SE Inquisitor to sit by them all day. and in solo, even with 10 boxed buffers, a SE Inquisitor can not gain much exp either if he/she has to sit for mp every 2 mins.
This thread totally blows.
What do you think SPS do every 2 mins?
Dam they give SE a Gift and your still ungrateful. at least a SE can change back and use Invocation .
they Not going make a SE a pure nuker your a Buffer/healer not a nuker. be happy you can now PVP and solo. if your still upset go play A game you can handle (http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php) this game just not for you. :p
Actually it would make sense if it was enchantable and I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be.
again it's a Transformation hun ;)
It's a regular skill just like everything else. You don't need a transformation book and you don't need to learn it at avant-garde and you don't need the transformation quest for it.
Just a skill. And therefore it would make sense if it was enchantable because that'd be the only way to make the nukes keep up on power once you are 76+
Actually it would make sense if it was enchantable and I don't see a reason why it wouldn't be.
again it's a Transformation hun ;)
It's a regular skill just like everything else. You don't need a transformation book and you don't need to learn it at avant-garde and you don't need the transformation quest for it.
Just a skill. And therefore it would make sense if it was enchantable because that'd be the only way to make the nukes keep up on power once you are 76+
It's a Self transformation skill (Transformation Skill not a Skill like a Stun or nuke or buff or passive) that works like the Transformation.
You can't do any of your normal skills just the ones available to the transformation.
You don't have 2 upgrade any of the skills the Transformation has they lvl as you lvl.
You don't need SP for the more powerful skills you just lvl and they upgrade as you level.
When transformed you have the same transformation Icon when you use a transformation.
The only differences is you look the same, you don't need the "more then meets the eye" quest and you learn it like a skill but the skill is a transformation. ;)
And I don't really see why a transformation skill wouldn't be enchantable. Of course you can't enchant current transforms because they are not skills of your class.
But if a transform is directly associated with a certain class and can be learned by that class just like a regular skill there is exactly 0 reason why it wouldn't be enchantable.
But then again perhaps inquisitor keeps lvling after 76 which would make enchanting it not necessary. We'll see.
the mobs spam SS and SPS, and are all aggro. given your holy nukes from inquisitor are not really 900 range, youre in for a wild ride if youre thinking of soloing there. its melee hell.
instead, i suggest Fields of Massacre till about 65, blazing swamp to 70, and varkas or ketras depending your preference, to 76.
I don't see why it being a transformation makes it unenchantable, since it's a completely new thing (a transformation skill tied to a certain class, and not an item) No one can really know, I was hoping there was somebody on PTS high enough to find out.
I don't see a reason why it couldn't be enchantable, it's going to be at max level when you enchant it anyway. right?
Basically it all comes down to whether or not they thought of it when making the skill.
Don't want to hear another SE complain, you guys basically have the power to become SH's with self empower 3.
Sure, basically SHs. With no Deathspike its a holy transform , no BtM invocation , no +Int tattoos dummy get yourself some +int tattoos , no CDL again, holy transformation , no CLD/drains Holy transformation , no overhit You need the SP , no recharging SH's dont have the skill recharge and even if they could, you can't recharge yourself duh , no Fear Fear hardly lands and again holy transformation , no Silence overpowered ...
Ah, and just in case: Invocation < Clear Mind for a nuker no invocation>clear Mind .
Omg for the guys who complained, SE"s are not nukers they were given the ability to nuke, do you think it would be fair if in inquistitor stance they could nuke at 900 range, drain, do body to the option to solo, yet you complain, WHy don't you complainers mind, curse, dark vortex, wind vortex, ect ect. YOU were given just quit the game cause you cry more than a 4 year old.
just buff yourself, transform, nuke, transform back to rebuff and use invocation, transform and nuke again, also who cares about mp you have invocation and mp herbs from the fields, like ashley said, go play WoW or toontown, this game has gotten so easy from 4 years ago when the game first came out. QQ more noobs...
Don't want to hear another SE complain, you guys basically have the power to become SH's with self empower 3.
Sure, basically SHs. With no Deathspike its a holy transform , no BtM invocation , no +Int tattoos dummy get yourself some +int tattoos , no CDL again, holy transformation , no CLD/drains Holy transformation , no overhit You need the SP , no recharging SH's dont have the skill recharge and even if they could, you can't recharge yourself duh , no Fear Fear hardly lands and again holy transformation , no Silence overpowered ...
Ah, and just in case: Invocation < Clear Mind for a nuker no invocation>clear Mind .
Omg for the guys who complained, SE"s are not nukers they were given the ability to nuke, do you think it would be fair if in inquistitor stance they could nuke at 900 range, drain, do body to the option to solo, yet you complain, WHy don't you complainers mind, curse, dark vortex, wind vortex, ect ect. YOU were given just quit the game cause you cry more than a 4 year old.
just buff yourself, transform, nuke, transform back to rebuff and use invocation, transform and nuke again, also who cares about mp you have invocation and mp herbs from the fields, like ashley said, go play WoW or toontown, this game has gotten so easy from 4 years ago when the game first came out. QQ more noobs...
Pretty sure healers cannot augment their INT via dyes which is why he put that in there and the reason for his post is because you likened them to a SH. I didn't see that as a complaint as much as I did him sarcastically correcting your original post.
Don't want to hear another SE complain, you guys basically have the power to become SH's with self empower 3.
Sure, basically SHs. With no Deathspike its a holy transform
Indeed. Here goes your "SH's with self empower 3."
no BtM invocation , no +Int tattoos dummy get yourself some +int tattoos
Lol. Are you so "competent" in any topic you are trying to speak about?
this game has gotten so easy from 4 years ago when the game first came out.
Hello? 4 years ago you didn't need to grind for 75+ levels to start to matter.
Wow you know your wrong when your comeback is so pathetic, also 4 years ago you started out with nothing, u did a quest to get a map (one of aden, one of elmore) you ran around with rags fighting hundreds of people around you jusr to get a hunting spot, there was PvP and pkers everywhere, you die on the spot if your not careful, there were 4x the amount of mobs in areas, and no one was 75+ duh. You had to fight and kill to prove that you mattered and the weak were weeded out of the game, only the strong made it out of no grade. Then you find you must party cause soloing was near impossible. Like i said QQ more on how eas you have it now, because 4 years ago you wouldn't had made it. No-one was afraid of going red and karma they would kill whiners on the spot with no remorse and delevel them all the way down to level 4, keeping them low level while everyone else leveled higher.
how2+INT on SE?
(SE's a healer class, can't modify INT with dyes)
I think you missed his point completely. SE isn't going to be a SH with self emp3, it's going to be a gimp version of a nuker at best, no int dyes, no choice of nukes, no crowd control, can't be recharged at all
Also I'm pretty sure clear mind outperforms invocation over the same amount of time as invo takes to recharge, 5 extra mana every tick add up. it definitely outperforms invocation with CLD, BTM and clear mind against invocation.
Ok so since you hate the transformation so much, how about we ask the GM's to take away Inquisitor from SE's and just give it to EE's and Bishops. Then you'll be happy right?
Ok so since you hate the transformation so much, how about we ask the GM's to take away Inquisitor from SE's and just give it to EE's and Bishops. Then you'll be happy right?
EE's and Bishops have it from what I'm told. it's also in the patch notes as The new skill "Inquisitor" has been added for all Healer classes. (Initial acquisition at level 44.)
I'm not 100% sure I only made a SE, OL, and WC on PTS I didn't have time 2 make a PP, EE, or bishop :p
also you can't +++ INT with tats on a Buffer/healer class. However it's also not needed to Nuke :p SE base INT is 44. and you have empower..... SPS wish it had that much Base.
Ok so since you hate the transformation so much, how about we ask the GM's to take away Inquisitor from SE's and just give it to EE's and Bishops. Then you'll be happy right?
EE's and Bishops have it from what I'm told.
I'm not 100% sure I only made a SE, OL, and WC on PTS I didn't have time 2 make a PP, EE, or bishop :p
also you can't +++ INT with tats on a Buffer/healer class.
Only classes with it are SE, EE, and Bish, kindof sad of PP's as they got absolutely nothing :(
Don't want to hear another SE complain, you guys basically have the power to become SH's with self empower 3.
Sure, basically SHs. With no Deathspike its a holy transform
Indeed. Here goes your "SH's with self empower 3."
no BtM invocation , no +Int tattoos dummy get yourself some +int tattoos
Lol. Are you so "competent" in any topic you are trying to speak about?
this game has gotten so easy from 4 years ago when the game first came out.
Hello? 4 years ago you didn't need to grind for 75+ levels to start to matter.
Wow you know your wrong when your comeback is so pathetic,
My comeback? Surely not your "dummy get yourself some +int tattoos" for an SE? :D
also 4 years ago you started out with nothing, u did a quest to get a map (one of aden, one of elmore) you ran around with rags fighting hundreds of people around you jusr to get a hunting spot, there was PvP and pkers everywhere, you die on the spot if your not careful, there were 4x the amount of mobs in areas, and no one was 75+ duh. You had to fight and kill to prove that you mattered and the weak were weeded out of the game, only the strong made it out of no grade. Then you find you must party cause soloing was near impossible.
As I said, that was great. The game was starting right at the starting villages. No need for yours and Ashley's "easy" (lol) grind till S-grade to start playing it in full.
Don't want to hear another SE complain, you guys basically have the power to become SH's with self empower 3.
Sure, basically SHs. With no Deathspike its a holy transform
Indeed. Here goes your "SH's with self empower 3."
no BtM invocation , no +Int tattoos dummy get yourself some +int tattoos
Lol. Are you so "competent" in any topic you are trying to speak about?
this game has gotten so easy from 4 years ago when the game first came out.
Hello? 4 years ago you didn't need to grind for 75+ levels to start to matter.
Wow you know your wrong when your comeback is so pathetic,
My comeback? Surely not your "dummy get yourself some +int tattoos" for an SE? :D
also 4 years ago you started out with nothing, u did a quest to get a map (one of aden, one of elmore) you ran around with rags fighting hundreds of people around you jusr to get a hunting spot, there was PvP and pkers everywhere, you die on the spot if your not careful, there were 4x the amount of mobs in areas, and no one was 75+ duh. You had to fight and kill to prove that you mattered and the weak were weeded out of the game, only the strong made it out of no grade. Then you find you must party cause soloing was near impossible.
As I said, that was great. The game was starting right at the starting villages. No need for yours and Ashley's "easy" (lol) grind till S-grade to start playing it in full.
Were do you see me saying easy to grind to S grade post? My WC has not been a Easy grind to S grade and WC have it better then SE at least till Tuesday ;)
If your going 2 hate on me at least have a reason thanks.....bye :D
how2+INT on SE?
(SE's a healer class, can't modify INT with dyes)
I think you missed his point completely. SE isn't going to be a SH with self emp3, it's going to be a gimp version of a nuker at best, no int dyes, no choice of nukes, no crowd control, can't be recharged at all
Also I'm pretty sure clear mind outperforms invocation over the same amount of time as invo takes to recharge, 5 extra mana every tick add up. it definitely outperforms invocation with CLD, BTM and clear mind against invocation.
SEs along with SHs and PS already have the HIGHEST int in the game. Heck your int is so high, it will still be higher than a light elfs who has +5int tattoos.
Base int of SE: 44
Base int of EE: 37
Base int of Bishy: 41
just question, did any of you try the the skills after 76lv?
no?
come back whan you did pl...
Blame the stupid NC-NA team who refused to let us test it on PTS. I mean, does anyone even know whether SE Inquisitors can be recharged or not? A nuker that can not be recharged = a sitter for life.
you cant be recharged but you can use invocation, only BP can be recharged its not so bad, if and only IF the skill will be not usless after 76 -78lv (I still have the feeling it will end like using wind strike at 50+ lvs...yes you do dmg... lmao...)
Well the title of this thread should be " BISHOPs have nee blessed yet again" instead. 'cos no party is going to invite a forever mpless SE Inquisitor to sit by them all day. and in solo, even with 10 boxed buffers, a SE Inquisitor can not gain much exp either if he/she has to sit for mp every 2 mins.
This thread totally blows.
What do you think SPS do every 2 mins?
Dam they give SE a Gift and your still ungrateful. at least a SE can change back and use Invocation .
they Not going make a SE a pure nuker your a Buffer/healer not a nuker. be happy you can now PVP and solo. if your still upset go play A game you can handle (http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php) this game just not for you. :p
Again, if you can't read at all, maybe you shouldn just [censored] and stop posting your loada bs and go bot instead.
My replies were made in respond of this "SE bashing thread created by that nub KnightOfDarkness, who failed to realise that it's BISHOPs that are benefited the most since they 1. have higher MEN than SEs and 2. can be recharged LIKE A SPS anytime.
be happy you can now PVP and solo
oh like EEs and BISHOPs have been able to nuke undead mobs in solo and heal in pvp since forver? It's a fix for SE that's too little too late after most live SEs have re-rolled or simply quit.
Please simply stop replying to my posts with your ******ed comments from now on.
just question, did any of you try the the skills after 76lv?
no?
come back whan you did pl...
Blame the stupid NC-NA team who refused to let us test it on PTS. I mean, does anyone even know whether SE Inquisitors can be recharged or not? A nuker that can not be recharged = a sitter for life.
you cant be recharged but you can use invocation, only BP can be recharged its not so bad, if and only IF the skill will be not usless after 76 -78lv (I still have the feeling it will end like using wind strike at 50+ lvs...yes you do dmg... lmao...)
Well the title of this thread should be " BISHOPs have nee blessed yet again" instead. 'cos no party is going to invite a forever mpless SE Inquisitor to sit by them all day. and in solo, even with 10 boxed buffers, a SE Inquisitor can not gain much exp either if he/she has to sit for mp every 2 mins.
This thread totally blows.
What do you think SPS do every 2 mins?
Dam they give SE a Gift and your still ungrateful. at least a SE can change back and use Invocation .
they Not going make a SE a pure nuker your a Buffer/healer not a nuker. be happy you can now PVP and solo. if your still upset go play A game you can handle (http://play.toontown.com/webHome.php) this game just not for you. :p
Again, if you can't read at all, maybe you shouldn just [censored] and stop posting your loada bs and go bot instead.
You must be a very nice and headstrong gentleman in real life... :p
My replies were made in respond of this "SE bashing thread created by that nub KnightOfDarkness, who failed to realise that it's BISHOPs that are benefited the most since they 1. have higher MEN than SEs and 2. can be recharged LIKE A SPS anytime.
how dare you call me a noob for having just joined this game recently while I and ashley have played since Open Beta and have the experience to know what we are talking about. And how exactly is this a SE bashing thread? this is a blessing for SE's They can NUKE! and wow it's a bigger bonus to bishops becuase they have a tiny bit more men?? SE's have highest int of all the healers given this skill along with their own self empower AND invocation which makes them very mp controlled as they are basically less mp more damage. And the sheer complaining from the Greatest gift a SE could get just leaves one word... NOOB!
be happy you can now PVP and solo
oh like EEs and BISHOPs have been able to nuke undead mobs in solo and heal in pvp since forver? It's a fix for SE that's too little too late after most live SEs have re-rolled or simply quit.
No not every SE quit, and You can nuke anything, your not just limited to undead mobs so that kills your point
Please simply stop replying to my posts with your ******ed comments from now on.
Please stop trolling threads and making yourself look like a jerk and for God's sake, GROW UP!
Please stop trolling threads and making yourself look like a jerk and for God's sake, GROW UP!
I honestly did not read a word you typed except the above quotes cos - well, just for the record, you're THE JERK who started this trolling thread and when people pointed out your ignorance you started this new stupid way of color text that made you look like a complete forum failure. And no, I don't pay attention to losers nor what they post, kinda like I will simply ignore Ashley's posts from now on too.
There's a rather unnecessary amount of vitriol in this thread. I think the relevant point is that SEs in particular are receiving a welcome boost in utility thanks to Inquisitor and Bless the Blood.
No, you can't directly compare them to SHs, because anyone who plays a high-level nuker can tell you that there is a world of difference between what the Inquisitor stance offers and the tools that are available to a high-level nuker, but if the point is that healers can nuke acceptably well, then I think it's been made :P
I'll only comment on a couple of other points:
1. MEN difference between Bishop and SE is quite irrelevant. It baffles me that this game has been out for years and many people still seize on tiny disparities in base stats and attempt to make mountains out of them, especially in the case of MEN, where you have to add or subtract many points to see an appreciable difference.
2. I will agree, however, that bishops really have it made with Inquisitor. Get a Mana Gain recharger to come along and the lack of Higher Mana Gain passives becomes a non-issue. SEs should be the most efficient solo Inquisitors (meaning no boxes at all in this case), but otherwise yay for bishops. I'm seriously considering bishop for my next sub just because of the addition of Inquisitor to enable soloing when necessary.
KnightOfDarkness if you would know about the game so much as you try to show us here, you would not start this thread in the first place
there are nearly no SEs that are played as mains left in this game and the "blessing" that NC gave to tham will not bring tham back, I see your thread more as an irony... you could start the same with "PPs have been blessed"
This "blessing" came too late, there is nearly no SE left to enjoy it. Its the same as they would add good skill for PPs in Gracia2 or final, but there will be only few real PPs left to use that skill
while I and ashley have played since Open Beta and have the experience to know what we are talking about.
hmm
no +Int tattoos dummy get yourself some +int tattoos
I'm sorry. but claiming SE is going to be like a SH with emp3 (which is what you originally did) and then trying to argue when someone points our the obvious flaw in your logic is just stupid.
SE wont be a SH, or even close.
You can't get recharged, you can't use int dyes, you can't use CLD and BTM for mana (don't try to say invo is better than these 2 skills+clear mind) you can't heal yourself, you can't crowd control at all (fear lands quite a bit, you should try it before commenting) you have a single nuke, 1 damage type, SH can switch between 2, and have 7 or 8 nukes to throw at whatever need to die.
and just for the record. playing a game for a long time does not magically make you *know* what you're talking about. And the only people you ever see argue this point is the people who played since [insert early version of game]
Fact is, game has changed since then, so your experience form that time has no value what so ever.
When your Banned from the forums I will stop replying till then your going 2 get a reply from me every single time you try 2 say something bad about me because you are a [link removed due to inappropriate content/language - Siren]:D
and why do u guys just not wait until CT2 goes up and we all
see whats the deal about the transform before u smash each
others heads and pretend to know better ;)
imo greater group heal is kinda pushing it, if ee gets greater group heal se should get major heal or something that specific to them. anyway even though greater heals suck its still a huge bonus for ee though!
u asking whats good having a greater group heal?
uhm let me think - u can heal the entire party for more
than just 400 HP with ur crappy low lvl group heal which
didnt get any lvl up after 2nd CCQ lvl 40?
and ... poles and bows?
didnt know that EEs had any pole skills or bow skills :)
(did i miss something on my npc's skill list? :) )
wish we woulda got something like this to :(
but heirophants got the nerfstick in [censored] again!
glad for the se's tho long time comming for them with something good
u asking whats good having a greater group heal?
uhm let me think - u can heal the entire party for more
than just 400 HP with ur crappy low lvl group heal which
didnt get any lvl up after 2nd CCQ lvl 40?
Do you understand that you can cast 3 Major Heals for the MP cost of one GGH?
and ... poles and bows?
didnt know that EEs had any pole skills or bow skills :)
Back then, your generic Weapon Mastery was just enough to provide some DD help in pole AoE groups and in PvP.
and why do u guys just not wait until CT2 goes up and we all
see whats the deal about the transform before u smash each
others heads and pretend to know better ;)
Useless Change, and a waste of SP.
Your not gonna see many High Level EE's wasting SP on this skill, because it changes nothing for them, just like most stopped learning Greater Heal as soon as they got Major Heal.
On my EE it will be the first thing I do when the servers go live...if it helps keep the party alive its worth the SP...
As for the SE, they are already a gimp healer, gimp buffer class, now they can add gimp mage class. I figured when I read EE's were getting greater group heal that SE's would get at least major group heal but no dice. My wife has a 78 SE and she was so happy when the change main event came around so she could dump her SE and switch with her necro..she will probably delete her SE and make a dd class. Most pve parties would rather have a ee and all pvp parties I have been in use a bish/ee combe with a doomcrier for buffs...se's just arent needed much in party anymore.
I agree with those who underline gimp buffs, gimp heals, and now gimp nukes. Actually, NC does nothing to back SE's to the scene. Major heal would be good enough, if there were no "myth and legends". it's ridiculous, but "major heal" is too "light" to give it "dark" SE's... stupid myth of L2 makes it bad once again. first and the most worst impact is subclass restrictions. :)
I think some players are underestimating the utility of a class that can "do it all." Remember back in the golden age of the SE that they were never the best at any of their roles, but very good at both buff/crowd control support and healing.
Direct healing is a problem now (although an SE CAN be a main healer for most XP groups, I would honestly rather box a cardinal than play SE as primary healer for groups where VR effects don't suffice to keep most party members healthy), PvP is a mixed bag since the heals aren't terribly effective, but with the right gear you do have a niche role in rooting people without resist hold armor sets. It also helps on occasion that some players will utterly disregard SEs in PvP and leave them free to do what they will, which occasionally enhances the usefulness of the SE.
While the SE is not and may not soon be again one of the staple classes for the most stacked PvP or even XP groups, I think it is on the rise again with Inquisitor bringing yet more versatility (along with Holy Weapon buff :P) and Bless the Blood sounding like it has some nice potential. We'll have to see how things go on live.
Again, if anyone is going to complain right now, it should be the PPs. Consider for a moment that SEs have access to nukes, holy weapon, surrender to holy, a sort of curse disease DoT, a buff that proc heals, the requisite recharges, every "essential" buff except for Haste, which comes in a bottle, PoWind (which is often preferable to PoF in melee-oriented parties or for high evasion characters)...in short, an SE with a BtB staff brings much more utility to most parties than a PP does.
It's fine that PPs aren't as versatile, as they really never have been, but obviously superior buffing is no longer the major hallmark of the class thanks in large part to orc buffers, so maybe NC should finally fix them (PPs) a bit.
Oh, another digression: yes, it's nice for EEs that they are getting Greater Group Heal, but it's also not a huge deal. I suppose it's a bit nicer now since the buff slot should rarely be an issue in Gracia, but even so it's not really a big change the overall lot of EEs. They'll get the same groups they did before, but they still won't be able to encroach where cardinals are considered necessary. Maybe it's a bigger boost to lowbies, I dunno.
yeah, yeah, in short: your toon can do almost everything identically bad. like every other "indirect" or "combo" classes, beginning from glad and ending at some sorts of kamael and mentioned before PPs. so, you can say that glads do things worse than other warriors (especially destroyer), kamaels has less things than "pure" old damage-dealer classes, and a bit universal PP is beaten by sharp buffs of WC.
actually, a lot of players enjoy their toons and don't care of ours discussion about who is "gimp".
but, this is defeatist speeches. currently the game turned into the game of "ultimate" classes. everyone knows, that each archetype contains "supreme" class:
dagger = TH
archer = HE
warrior = destro
nuker = SH
buffers = BD, SWS, EE, BP, OL, WC
you may say that each class just gets exclusive things and abilities, which is very common in most of fantasy sets. i don't agree. the idea of specialization is to make your toon special, not overpowered. i know, that if you can do anything, you can't do it best. it's ok, but as it's now, i can't name in "specialization". when some class has much more things and attraction than any other withing its archetype, it named overpowered.
yeah, yeah, in short: your toon can do almost everything identically bad. like every other "indirect" or "combo" classes, beginning from glad and ending at some sorts of kamael and mentioned before PPs. so, you can say that glads do things worse than other warriors (especially destroyer), kamaels has less things than "pure" old damage-dealer classes, and a bit universal PP is beaten by sharp buffs of WC.
actually, a lot of players enjoy their toons and don't care of ours discussion about who is "gimp".
but, this is defeatist speeches. currently the game turned into the game of "ultimate" classes. everyone knows, that each archetype contains "supreme" class:
dagger = TH
archer = HE
warrior = destro Gladiator, im sorry but destroyer has lost that spot a long time ago
nuker = SH
buffers = BD, SWS, EE, BP, OL, WC
you may say that each class just gets exclusive things and abilities, which is very common in most of fantasy sets. i don't agree. the idea of specialization is to make your toon special, not overpowered. i know, that if you can do anything, you can't do it best. it's ok, but as it's now, i can't name in "specialization". when some class has much more things and attraction than any other withing its archetype, it named overpowered.
The problem is that you exaggerate rather shamelessly when discussing the bad points of SEs. If I were inclined to indulge in an all-out whine session about how disadvantaged my class is, I would hop on the bandwagon, but I'd rather point out the advantages of the SE's design in order to bring some semblance of balance back to the discussion, and I don't see anything that refutes my assessment of SEs as a flexible, versatile hybrid class with increasing utility with this update. Saying that that just makes them "identically bad" at everything is a fairly useless and flat-out incorrect statement.
SEs have been depreciated for some time, that is for sure, but not only are they retaining their hybrid role, they are further diversifying their portfolio with a nuking stance and an exclusive healing spell that may prove quite useful. I'm reserving final judgment until I get to test these changes on live.
Inquistor stance is real nice, I've even seen some SE's kill off people in PvP
Well, I'm not expecting miracles there. For example, lack of a Vortex is going to hurt at the high end (I'm assuming that the stance does not get a Vortex-type spell since no no one has mentioned it being on the Korean servers). I am curious as to how effective the Divine Curse is for high levels, though, and if the reuse on Divine Punishment is as fast as some players have claimed (i.e. faster than a standard nuke), then the stance might have some specific advantages for PvP.