Soooooo, it is important to note that Hindy for some reason had a much higher number of dorfs, and a remarkable number of players in the 30-70 lvls that seemed to play for 72 on end and didn't use soul shot.
Amazing that Hindemith became a condensing ground for so many really dedicated players.
Instead of buying in Giran, you would find that there were PVPs for spots in FoG and IT etc. which is where many Gustonians played for up to FIVE HOURS on END!
Yup, thats what happens when you PK all thoes farmers/e-bays off the server. Now us Gustin peeps have to do it all over again :p.
Oh ya, I almost forgot. We know you were coming over so we stopped selling mats and stuff. That way when all that Hinde money came over we could jack our prices. ;)
You can also check the old graphics that someone posted in [censored] with the population. I remember Hinde was on 4th or 5th place after Teon, Feanz, Bartz and mb Deviene. Everone lower than 5th were with less than 1500 ppl online at the prime time. Hinde and above had 2k +.
All I can tell you is it is nice to see the amount of sell shops that are on phenix atm and hopefully will remain this way for some time to come.This merge was a good thing and I was glad to see it happen. Wasn't so glad to see the clan halls people worked hard to get go byby but such is life.
It wasn't really that bad. Those screen shots were probably 3 minutes after a Tuesday maintenance when everyone is at work, lol. There were usually a dozen or so people in that area crafting and selling (I'm one of them).
Does anyone else find it funny that Gustin had far fewer farmers than Hindemith yet Gustin's prices were lower on many staple items?
Like the EW S. It was 25 mil pre merge. Now it's.... 45 mil. Wow. O_O
Granted, Hindemith did have cheaper S-grade armor :P
But from what I heard, Hindemith SA Crystals were 30-40 mil more ex*****ve than Gustin SA Crystals (for level 12-13). :0
>.>
I know Hinde didn't have nearly the amount of farmers in "odd" places like there are now. So I'm not sure who or where they came from, but they weren't there on Hinde. LOL
Did anyone dispute that Hinde had more population? I couldn't believe the number of people after the merge. But Gustin and Hindemith are gone, never coming back... Why do we have to re-live the agony of dying servers???
You can also check the old graphics that someone posted in [censored] with the population. I remember Hinde was on 4th or 5th place after Teon, Feanz, Bartz and mb Deviene. Everone lower than 5th were with less than 1500 ppl online at the prime time. Hinde and above had 2k +.
With the massive amount of Farmers and Bots Hinde had, does this seem all that surprising? You may have had more characters in game, but I'm almost certain you didn't have more PLAYERS in game.
I think you all are missing the point to the whole farmer thing....
Say you were opening a business. When you are picking out a location for this place, are you going to look at a place that has high traffic, etc or a place that is dead and noone travles through? Gustin did not "run" their farmers and bots off the server. Farming is a business. They arent going to stay where they dont have the people to sell to. They moved to more populated servers so that they can make more money. What I do hear that I find funny is that some people from Gustin try to pride themselves by saying that they got rid of all their bots...yet....the other half of the server says that the main clans were loaded with bots. So when you got rid of your "bots"...i guess you mean farmers....and if by "getting rid of them" you mean...they left cause they had noone to sell to...then yes....you would be correct.
Before anything is said...no. I am not siding with bots or farmers. I think that anyone that has to cheat to get ahead in a video game has much more issues that just a high credit card bill. If I was part of a business that sold those services...then im going where the people are. Not everyone is going to buy...but you certainly increase your chances.
I think you all are missing the point to the whole farmer thing....
Say you were opening a business. When you are picking out a location for this place, are you going to look at a place that has high traffic, etc or a place that is dead and noone travles through? Gustin did not "run" their farmers and bots off the server. Farming is a business. They arent going to stay where they dont have the people to sell to. They moved to more populated servers so that they can make more money. What I do hear that I find funny is that some people from Gustin try to pride themselves by saying that they got rid of all their bots...yet....the other half of the server says that the main clans were loaded with bots. So when you got rid of your "bots"...i guess you mean farmers....and if by "getting rid of them" you mean...they left cause they had noone to sell to...then yes....you would be correct.
Before anything is said...no. I am not siding with bots or farmers. I think that anyone that has to cheat to get ahead in a video game has much more issues that just a high credit card bill. If I was part of a business that sold those services...then im going where the people are. Not everyone is going to buy...but you certainly increase your chances.
Yea very smart considering its him that misses the point...
Why is it only Hinde ppl that start threads like "omgwewtfpwnedgustinweresouberalotpvpgods111"?
Youre proud that you had hundreds of little dorfs that run 24/7, selling you adena and taking it back ingame in craft/sellstores?
And oh so proud warriors from the empire of Hindemith, looks like NC thought youre too small to exist by yourselves, cause last time I checked you got merged too.
Soooo welcome on Gustin, Hinde ppl?
I made this post because many Gustin people think we Hinde people should be thankfull to them.
Sorry if the truth of this picutre hurts you, but ur server was at a point of dieing, with alot of bots and farmers, the higher lvls only logged in siege. Thats what people from Gustin told me.
OK well the point is YOU were merged with GUSTIN it created PHOENIX .....The only hurt is dealing with the crazy mercenary attitudes that seem prevalent with hindemith ....quote " what do I get if I go to the raid today"... the reality is its great to see a healthy market .. if that is a result of the farmer population on hindemith grats for that ... at the moment more stores in a healthier market and the alternative reality of maya along with the ever constant whine about flintster is what hindemith has brought to Phoenix... i am tired of the epeen measurement ...and i bet most others are too... get past your hindemith rebel yell and recognize this is a new environment and few if anyone is truly impressed with your pseudo glory .... do something today and classify it as phoenix and [censored] :p
Come on ppl…I can believe we are fighting over which server merged with which to create a new one!!!!
Point is, at the end of the day there is now one server, Phoenix, whether we like it or not this is it…I mean what is next…fight over which of the two servers had the best paved roads before the merge…we are all part of it…no matter where we came from…all had to undergo the same process and all had something to loose or gain from this merge!!
So stop fighting over something so futile…it does not matter who had the largest population cause its not a matter of Gusting coming to Hindy or the opposite…last time I check ppl on both servers lost their ch and now they have to live with it…get along already or move to another server or go play another game…but deal with the fact that we are now one…and lets try to respect one another…
I think you all are missing the point to the whole farmer thing....
Say you were opening a business. When you are picking out a location for this place, are you going to look at a place that has high traffic, etc or a place that is dead and noone travles through? Gustin did not "run" their farmers and bots off the server. Farming is a business. They arent going to stay where they dont have the people to sell to. They moved to more populated servers so that they can make more money. What I do hear that I find funny is that some people from Gustin try to pride themselves by saying that they got rid of all their bots...yet....the other half of the server says that the main clans were loaded with bots. So when you got rid of your "bots"...i guess you mean farmers....and if by "getting rid of them" you mean...they left cause they had noone to sell to...then yes....you would be correct.
Before anything is said...no. I am not siding with bots or farmers. I think that anyone that has to cheat to get ahead in a video game has much more issues that just a high credit card bill. If I was part of a business that sold those services...then im going where the people are. Not everyone is going to buy...but you certainly increase your chances.
How about you look at it this way.
A farmer goes to gustin, No one gets his special service.
A farmer goes to Hinde. Everyone goes for his special service.
Might just be that hinde was the right market for him, and by running them off the server we mean WE DIDNT USE THEIR SERVICES.
In your own words, They found the market in your side. So... Hello Cheaters!
I think you all are missing the point to the whole farmer thing....
Say you were opening a business. When you are picking out a location for this place, are you going to look at a place that has high traffic, etc or a place that is dead and noone travles through? Gustin did not "run" their farmers and bots off the server. Farming is a business. They arent going to stay where they dont have the people to sell to. They moved to more populated servers so that they can make more money. What I do hear that I find funny is that some people from Gustin try to pride themselves by saying that they got rid of all their bots...yet....the other half of the server says that the main clans were loaded with bots. So when you got rid of your "bots"...i guess you mean farmers....and if by "getting rid of them" you mean...they left cause they had noone to sell to...then yes....you would be correct.
Before anything is said...no. I am not siding with bots or farmers. I think that anyone that has to cheat to get ahead in a video game has much more issues that just a high credit card bill. If I was part of a business that sold those services...then im going where the people are. Not everyone is going to buy...but you certainly increase your chances.
That or...
Gustin was not as accepting to cheating as Hinde was; therefore there was no business for it. Sure you can say that traffic is one option, or you can say the acceptance of other means of acquiring your gear can be another.
I understand your theory, but it really doesn’t hold up from what I have seen. Having farmers doesn’t necessarily mean you have a larger number of actual players, it simply means your server had a larger demand for acquiring adena, or Characters...
Did I say you support bots? No. Now whos the moron that cant read?
Do we pride us for getting rid of our farmers? **** right! Instead of helping them to get Castles or giving them PvP-support for raids we chose to kill them whenever we saw them. And dont give me the Gustin-is-dead-so-they-left crap.
This is honest to God one of the most pointless threads ever, posing as a thread that makes a point. lol
Choc I would usually look to you for this kind of nonsense.
The sooner people stop trying to divide by lines of Gustin/Hinde the better off those people will be. Neither exsist any longer, so why is it even a point of debate.
Make a my ruler is longer than your ruler thread. It's about as relevant.
I love Teli's avatar, you viper! Get off her on that! Now.
Actually, she had a tinkerbell one before that was so suggestive we had to embarass her into taking it down and replacing with something more wholesome.
Ya really gotta watch Teli; she does some pretty raunchy [censored] if you don't keep tabs on her.
I think you all are missing the point to the whole farmer thing....
Say you were opening a business. When you are picking out a location for this place, are you going to look at a place that has high traffic, etc or a place that is dead and noone travles through? Gustin did not "run" their farmers and bots off the server. Farming is a business. They arent going to stay where they dont have the people to sell to. They moved to more populated servers so that they can make more money. What I do hear that I find funny is that some people from Gustin try to pride themselves by saying that they got rid of all their bots...yet....the other half of the server says that the main clans were loaded with bots. So when you got rid of your "bots"...i guess you mean farmers....and if by "getting rid of them" you mean...they left cause they had noone to sell to...then yes....you would be correct.
Before anything is said...no. I am not siding with bots or farmers. I think that anyone that has to cheat to get ahead in a video game has much more issues that just a high credit card bill. If I was part of a business that sold those services...then im going where the people are. Not everyone is going to buy...but you certainly increase your chances.
How about you look at it this way.
A farmer goes to gustin, No one gets his special service.
A farmer goes to Hinde. Everyone goes for his special service.
Might just be that hinde was the right market for him, and by running them off the server we mean WE DIDNT USE THEIR SERVICES.
In your own words, They found the market in your side. So... Hello Cheaters!
I certainly hope that you arent trying to say that NOONE on gustin cheated, bought adena, bought mats from a farmer, ever got a hand up in the game by getting ANYTHING that was farmer supplied. If you are really trying to impose that belief then you really need to take those rose colored glasses off and look around you. Look at yourself, your clan, and all 20 people that would have shops in giran while gustin was still alive. You know **** well that your major clans were corrupt with botting and a LOT of OEd weapons/armor. You think they farmed everyone of those mats themselves?
There are very fews clans left that even try to oppose the cheaters. Our clan was at war with a major alliance that was full of cheaters, bots, ebayers and yes...it was supported by their leadership. Im not saying hindemith didnt have its fair share of losers but they certainly had a higher population of active players and so thats why there was more of the farmers (cancer). Look at any high populated server and see how many they have...then look at the other servers that were low and compare. You really cant say that you ran them off by anything other than the lack of people to sell to. You have/had plenty of ebayers, etc that have come from your server just like Hindemith has/had.
People will cheat in a game. Its because they usually fail in life with things like sports, etc and cant compete on an even playing field. You cant say that you had none of those on your server. I do applaud those of you that disagree with cheating...but dont be nieve about this.
Im not saying hindemith didnt have its fair share of losers but they certainly had a higher population of active players and so thats why there was more of the farmers (cancer). Look at any high populated server and see how many they have...then look at the other servers that were low and compare. You really cant say that you ran them off by anything other than the lack of people to sell to. You have/had plenty of ebayers, etc that have come from your server just like Hindemith has/had.
All this drama... :( ....for nothing... :confused:
Gustin is gone and dead...Hindemith is gone and dead....No one is better now cause we don't have them anymore....we have a new server and I hope every day more people get used to it, stop complaining and have more fun :cool:
I think you all are missing the point to the whole farmer thing....
Say you were opening a business. When you are picking out a location for this place, are you going to look at a place that has high traffic, etc or a place that is dead and noone travles through? Gustin did not "run" their farmers and bots off the server. Farming is a business. They arent going to stay where they dont have the people to sell to. They moved to more populated servers so that they can make more money. What I do hear that I find funny is that some people from Gustin try to pride themselves by saying that they got rid of all their bots...yet....the other half of the server says that the main clans were loaded with bots. So when you got rid of your "bots"...i guess you mean farmers....and if by "getting rid of them" you mean...they left cause they had noone to sell to...then yes....you would be correct.
Before anything is said...no. I am not siding with bots or farmers. I think that anyone that has to cheat to get ahead in a video game has much more issues that just a high credit card bill. If I was part of a business that sold those services...then im going where the people are. Not everyone is going to buy...but you certainly increase your chances.
How about you look at it this way.
A farmer goes to gustin, No one gets his special service.
A farmer goes to Hinde. Everyone goes for his special service.
Might just be that hinde was the right market for him, and by running them off the server we mean WE DIDNT USE THEIR SERVICES.
In your own words, They found the market in your side. So... Hello Cheaters!
I certainly hope that you arent trying to say that NOONE on gustin cheated, bought adena, bought mats from a farmer, ever got a hand up in the game by getting ANYTHING that was farmer supplied. If you are really trying to impose that belief then you really need to take those rose colored glasses off and look around you. Look at yourself, your clan, and all 20 people that would have shops in giran while gustin was still alive. You know **** well that your major clans were corrupt with botting and a LOT of OEd weapons/armor. You think they farmed everyone of those mats themselves?
There are very fews clans left that even try to oppose the cheaters. Our clan was at war with a major alliance that was full of cheaters, bots, ebayers and yes...it was supported by their leadership. Im not saying hindemith didnt have its fair share of losers but they certainly had a higher population of active players and so thats why there was more of the farmers (cancer). Look at any high populated server and see how many they have...then look at the other servers that were low and compare. You really cant say that you ran them off by anything other than the lack of people to sell to. You have/had plenty of ebayers, etc that have come from your server just like Hindemith has/had.
People will cheat in a game. Its because they usually fail in life with things like sports, etc and cant compete on an even playing field. You cant say that you had none of those on your server. I do applaud those of you that disagree with cheating...but dont be nieve about this.
U just got to love the way we advertise our server to who ever is reading this thread…I can see the chat up line already…come to phoenix…an amalgam of cheaters…farmers…boters and anything else your heart desires… (im not saying that the other servers are any different…we just choose to shout it out loud…)
One dead server and one not-so-dead (although we are still trying to figure out which one is which) merged in to one bran new paradise…if u’ve no other reason to flame don’t worry…we will find one (pointless) for you in no time…lol
Craft more jewlery. My shop is running overtime. Not getting much vitality but doing ok with the adenas. Besides with the increased kill speed..i'll live.
P.S my alt is selling lvl 76 life stones...limit 5 per customer. Who am I kidding buy away!