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Ill start... Strongly Agree!!!
sayha, even with the merge is still missing population, im lvl 70 and i feel weak at the arena. 90% of the pvp i find is s grade. Imagine how people below my lvl feel, not to mention the fact that there are no parties unless u have a good active clan.
if there was another solution id go for it... but i cant think of one other then another merge. I hate to think that L2 is dying... so i hope it doesnt
the solution to INCREASING population on YOUR server, is not merging servers. when servers merge, people get pist off and leave game, so in the end you have roughly the same population you had before. to get more high level players on your server, ENCOURAGE other people to level up to you, ENCOURAGE new players to keep playing on your sever, and ENCOURAGE your friends to play. if PvP is consistently being won by a single alliance on your sever, split it in half and fight each other. dont just sit there twiddling your walker, waiting for NCSoft to do somthing. you'll be waiting a long time.
The freshly merged servers (Phoenix etc.) should be left alone for at least another year or two before even THINKING about another merger. People have just adjusted to what the server is like now, and if there would be another merger anytime soon, many people would be disgusted and quit. Just imagine ANOTHER clan hall re-auctioning....
And at least Phoenix is full enough now, thank you very much. I don't want more people on the server.
This concept has already arrived and NCSoft already clearly disregarded the opinions of players.
If you think it will be different in a 2nd phase you're kidding yourself.
I'm STILL 100% against the idea--and it won't matter a bit.
There will absolutely be more mergers. The NA's are going to 'eventually' be down to 2 or at the most 3 servers.
All of you on Bartz and Devianne who thought it was such a great freakin' idea are going to get the pleasure of them as well--perhaps a couple of times (lmao).
As for Euro's--depends on bot efforts. The euro servers are some significant % bot servers anyway so if something is able to be done about those, then those playing populations will be merged as well.
Eventually there will definitely be an East Coast and West Coast NA server--probably not more than 3 Euro's. I would guess that will allow all the **** servers always clamored about--'1000% exp for killing an elpy', 'no pvp', 'sissies-only', 'server for players under 5 feet tall', 'perpetual event servers', and what-not.
And the funny thing is that won't change anything either. The same 20 half-wits who post here and DEMAND changes will STILL come and complain.
Too late on this issue--more mergers WILL come. Sorry, it's not my trend and it's been **** lonely arguing against them. But now that they've happened they will come again and again.
I don't believe for an instant that people get ****** & leave with server merges... most I know from Sieg were glad to see the new faces Shaya brought... some departed players even returned to L2 just to experience the new server.
Unless you're in an active clan parties are hard to scrape together. I used the party matching system the other day and was pleasantly surprised with the group we managed to get together just from a few random misfits... and we had fun. I think if more people used the party matching system, we'd see a lot more activity overall and I think we'd all meet new people.
L2 has been on a decline for ages... it's up to the players to keep it entertaining enough for everyone to keep with it... and tbh, it's almost as much our responsibility as it is NCs... and with NC slacking on their end, we really need to do our part.
People who said the merged servers are full now, how do they have populations still lowere then dev or bartz?
The problem with merging is, it does not solve anything, just like server changes do not change anything.
If you want more people to play the game had to actually be advertised but that ship has gone and sailed and its not coming back no matter what NCsoft does now.
COH is a good example they still have 8 servers only 2 highly populated and they are not merging. And yes you can lose whole clans through server merges, if a clan who has had a clan hall for 2 1/2 years suddenly gets merges and losses that clan hall to a clan that is a bot clan that existed a month because the clan leader of the legit clan actually works and could not be on when the server went live.
People really need to think how bad the server merges were for 1/2 the clans that got merge and stop crying for more merges.
People who said the merged servers are full now, how do they have populations still lowere then dev or bartz?
The problem with merging is, it does not solve anything, just like server changes do not change anything.
If you want more people to play the game had to actually be advertised but that ship has gone and sailed and its not coming back no matter what NCsoft does now.
COH is a good example they still have 8 servers only 2 highly populated and they are not merging. And yes you can lose whole clans through server merges, if a clan who has had a clan hall for 2 1/2 years suddenly gets merges and losses that clan hall to a clan that is a bot clan that existed a month because the clan leader of the legit clan actually works and could not be on when the server went live.
People really need to think how bad the server merges were for 1/2 the clans that got merge and stop crying for more merges.
a clan can always get a fort which is good for clan participation, castle or even a contested one, so who really gives a [censored], its saves them 2bill adena
due to the fact that in a year we ALL will b like 80+ wearing +6 "S" graade etc... game is growing.. pps r growing making more more adena etc. So, just w8 4 a year (or max 2) and b like others or quit :p
Actually, devianne is high populated because we got a lot of automated people here.
A massive ban happened since last update, twice. Since that low lvl chinese bots disappeared. Prices went crazy on mats and AA goodies.
But... not many people play the manor. So people complain about bot's departure and they don't get the good thing of it (means trying to make a clean economy).
We still have bots parties, mostly from real players than from gold farmers.
If you remove all those automated from the server we will have a "population problem". Even tho, to my eyes, would be a great thing !
If you remove bots (botters too. not only random money bots. all people that use third party programs. means ALOT of people) from everywhere, euro servers included, you can end up with 5 servers max in my opinion.
2 euros, 3 NA.
The game will have kind of a reborn.. and be attracting for a new kind of people (legit ones)
now forgive me, but life is running up soo fast recently that 'new and legit' will more likely go 2 play some other game or go 2 work instead of tedious exping in la2....
/disagree on another merger, it won't change a thing.
Sorry to say but the vitality system sure gave a boost to the casual players. I have several people of my clan in the lower zones (none S graders) very casual who have been soloing or duoing amongst them and gained incredible xp at a fair speed. It is possible to do, it only requires some perceverence (as LII has always been...It's never stated it was easy anyways).
I do agree on the fact that Sayha is not the most sociable servers when it comes to pick up teams...They are hard to come buy but you will see some there present though. All depends also on when you play (timezone wise). But it does have it's new joiners out there.
Anyways, if ya need help why not give me a shout in game.
Why to merge servers ? Official L2 servers dont have any population, there are only bots, or botted characters up to S grade. Thats why it is impossible to find any party under 70. Its absolutely same on teon, dont worry. And most of newbies who come here and try the game will leave, because it is very different from what they have expected.
a clan can always get a fort which is good for clan participation, castle or even a contested one, so who really gives a [censored], its saves them 2bill adena
Look at Phoenix. All the fortresses are taken, ALL the time. When one becomes free, it is usually taken as soon as it is possible to sign for it again. A fortress is no substitute for a clan hall, simply because when you take even a bad one one day, chances are it will be gone the next day when you log on again. And the really good fortresses (i.e. those which actually have ports into high lvl xp regions) are perma-taken by those 50% of high lvl clans which could not get a clan hall during the merger, so if you even THINK about going there to take it, you'll be dropped even faster than you can say "oops" and you will have a war declaration sent "just because".
And to the OP who wants more players on his server so that he can have more pvp with A graders: a server merger would mainly mean more 76+ pvp players and another few "we are the top dogs" pvp clans, so that the situation will probably even get worse for you. There simply are not that many players left who have mains in the lower level range because the game is already quite old.
Yea but some don't get it how many times you say it. For the OPer, you probably dont see many a grade at arena because most are leveling, and ppl who live in the arena are s grade and never had to actually "level" (you know the ones :p) Rest are just bored s graders :D
Darcano, don't know what server you play but my toons D-B grade don't have problems with finding parties. Yes, sure, mostly it's Kamaloka, or catas, but that doesn't change a thing.
Darcano, don't know what server you play but my toons D-B grade don't have problems with finding parties. Yes, sure, mostly it's Kamaloka, or catas, but that doesn't change a thing.
Its Teon, I had some parties 20-46 to kamaloka, two RB parties or so. But after that it is hard to find any party, Giran is so spammed so your message will get lost. Maybe active clan is the way, but again it is a problem to find a clan that has some 40+ active members, most are A grade and above. Without those newbie buffs, I dont know how I would be able to survive in game.
all your compliants are fine but how will a server merge solve this?
Its the same sit. on every server even teon the most populated one that is sometimes near max capacity.
So maybe it is the population and the person themselves. People in my clan even as casual as it find group in clan and out of clan. A lot of people are picky and want a perfect group. Guess what its not going to happen, its a game have fun and stop treating it like a job and you will enjoy it a whole lot more.
Part of the problem with finding parties is everyone expects someone else to do it. I usually find if I put a party room in place, I can get tons of DD's, though buffers/healers are usually a problem. A lot folks want a party, they just want someone else to put them together.
Hehe sounds a bit like the situation we have sometimes in clan. There are several people looking for party, but nobody wants to do the "work" of starting one and inviting the others, even if the people put together would create a nice cata/pagans party. Maybe it is psychological, people want to be invited instead of starting a party and having to ask others to join.
Yea but some don't get it how many times you say it. For the OPer, you probably dont see many a grade at arena because most are leveling, and ppl who live in the arena are s grade and never had to actually "level" (you know the ones :p) Rest are just bored s graders :D
Say it another time because Koreans and Chineses don't believe you :(
They close servers, a few months later they open new ones... that's totally impossible, if they close servers that means they are dying! They can't open new servers! :mad:
Since the merge my server is vibrant, the economy is excellent, and there is a steady inflow of both new and returning players. It is like the game was three years ago, delightful.
You know threads like this is only a problem on the official forum where low level non-factors always complain about something.
Yes the majority of pvp is s grade.. you know why? cause current pvp mechanics are designed to begin at level 76. (and honestly you should be 78+ and noblesse)
level 74- is for getting used to playing your character and learning what skills you have and how to use them. It's pretty easy to hit level 76 now, with the new skills (inquisitor and stuff), lowbie buffs to 62, vitality, you can easilly do 1-76 in 2 to 3 weeks. really, you can.
getting to 79 is still very easy, it's only at 79 to 80 that starts becoming really hard grind.
as for merging servers, that's not a real solution. The real solution to this population problem is how hard it still is to level and acquire gear. Many people have left l2 for wow, and now War coming next week, because it's really [censored] easy to level and get gear and then you can concentrate on pvp and other things.
If l2 na would just do what they should have done years ago and made XP/drops on all NA server 2x population and l2 dying would really have never been a problem.
You people are Americans playing a game designed for koreans. This obviously is extremely niche due to just how amazing hardcore korean L2 is compared to other MMOs, and it doesn't really work in the NA market, and that's why L2 suffers here.
NCNA needs to wake up and see that korean rates in NA is killing the game. LF 2x rates.
the reason this would help is it would get everyone that plays l2 to 76+ within 1 week and noblesse and 78+ within 3 weeks.
3 weeks to get into pvp. That is acceptable. and when you have lots of people putting in 3 weeks to get into pvp, you can have a bunch of you non-factor clans becoming factors.
for example, I;m in enmity on bartz. we can put together 4 or so parties for raids, and we have probable 10-15 s80 sets in those 4 parties, and everyone has boss jewels. now if the rates were 2x and there were a bunch of big clans with lots of "low level" (76+ with s grade weapon/armor but no boss jewels).. let's say this clan can bring 10 parties of lvl 76+ people with slightly worse gear than our 4 parties. We would get beat! and eventually these lowbies 76+ in simple s grade would get some epics, and start becoming real competiton.
Well you all can argue for or against till the cows come home.
The fact of mergers has already arrived and been implemented.
It didn't matter a bit what the PLAYERS on the already-merged servers thought. It happened.
It doesn't matter if you think your little server is full or "just fine" or anything else.
The only question remaining is WHEN you will experience a merge of your server.
Sorry. I'm not for them but they are already here. Whether you love the idea or hate it--you are absolutely going to get the experience.
Welcome to L2 :)
~D~
It's pretty easy to hit level 76 now, with the new skills (inquisitor and stuff), lowbie buffs to 62, vitality, you can easilly do 1-76 in 2 to 3 weeks. really, you can.
getting to 79 is still very easy, it's only at 79 to 80 that starts becoming really hard grind.
You know threads like this is only a problem on the official forum where low level non-factors always complain about something.
Yes the majority of pvp is s grade.. you know why? cause current pvp mechanics are designed to begin at level 76. (and honestly you should be 78+ and noblesse)
level 74- is for getting used to playing your character and learning what skills you have and how to use them. It's pretty easy to hit level 76 now, with the new skills (inquisitor and stuff), lowbie buffs to 62, vitality, you can easilly do 1-76 in 2 to 3 weeks. really, you can.
getting to 79 is still very easy, it's only at 79 to 80 that starts becoming really hard grind.
You're a tool... so tell me... do you use the free walker or do you plop down cash every month?
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning... and to see you drone on and on about how easy the grind is... just go talk to a wall. If you're live & suffer through the aggravation of seeing "uber" toons bought with mommys visa, the botted S-Graders & ebayed gear... hearing some tool blabber about how easy it is to get to 79 is f-ing infuriating... so go find a donut and do something sexual.
You know threads like this is only a problem on the official forum where low level non-factors always complain about something.
Yes the majority of pvp is s grade.. you know why? cause current pvp mechanics are designed to begin at level 76. (and honestly you should be 78+ and noblesse)
level 74- is for getting used to playing your character and learning what skills you have and how to use them. It's pretty easy to hit level 76 now, with the new skills (inquisitor and stuff), lowbie buffs to 62, vitality, you can easilly do 1-76 in 2 to 3 weeks. really, you can.
getting to 79 is still very easy, it's only at 79 to 80 that starts becoming really hard grind.
You're a tool... so tell me... do you use the free walker or do you plop down cash every month?
You know, you're probably correct on the first part but, from everything I've read from him, I have *never* gotten the impression that he has ever cheated. Exploited every possible angle, yes, but cheated, no.
You know threads like this is only a problem on the official forum where low level non-factors always complain about something.
Yes the majority of pvp is s grade.. you know why? cause current pvp mechanics are designed to begin at level 76. (and honestly you should be 78+ and noblesse)
level 74- is for getting used to playing your character and learning what skills you have and how to use them. It's pretty easy to hit level 76 now, with the new skills (inquisitor and stuff), lowbie buffs to 62, vitality, you can easilly do 1-76 in 2 to 3 weeks. really, you can.
getting to 79 is still very easy, it's only at 79 to 80 that starts becoming really hard grind.
You're a tool... so tell me... do you use the free walker or do you plop down cash every month?
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning... and to see you drone on and on about how easy the grind is... just go talk to a wall. If you're live & suffer through the aggravation of seeing "uber" toons bought with mommys visa, the botted S-Graders & ebayed gear... hearing some tool blabber about how easy it is to get to 79 is f-ing infuriating... so go find a donut and do something sexual.
you do realize that you make about 4% an hour at 78 in a full party on hellbound right? (1% an hour at 79)
again with the vagaries. specifics, vina. a raid party setup of 4 high enchant full S Archers with all OOP buffers + rechargers? or are you talkin actual live players filling 9 party slots with useless classes like BH ?
You know threads like this is only a problem on the official forum where low level non-factors always complain about something.
Yes the majority of pvp is s grade.. you know why? cause current pvp mechanics are designed to begin at level 76. (and honestly you should be 78+ and noblesse)
level 74- is for getting used to playing your character and learning what skills you have and how to use them. It's pretty easy to hit level 76 now, with the new skills (inquisitor and stuff), lowbie buffs to 62, vitality, you can easilly do 1-76 in 2 to 3 weeks. really, you can.
getting to 79 is still very easy, it's only at 79 to 80 that starts becoming really hard grind.
You're a tool... so tell me... do you use the free walker or do you plop down cash every month?
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning... and to see you drone on and on about how easy the grind is... just go talk to a wall. If you're live & suffer through the aggravation of seeing "uber" toons bought with mommys visa, the botted S-Graders & ebayed gear... hearing some tool blabber about how easy it is to get to 79 is f-ing infuriating... so go find a donut and do something sexual.
you do realize that you make about 4% an hour at 78 in a full party on hellbound right? (1% an hour at 79)
No, I don't know that... like I said I've never botted and I'm only 74... even worse, I'm a BH... so I've never seen Hellbound... frankly, I don't even know where it is... so according to you I'm a useless non-factor and the past 4+ years of L2 has apparently been a waste of time & money... by your standards that is.
again with the vagaries. specifics, vina. a raid party setup of 4 high enchant full S Archers with all OOP buffers + rechargers? or are you talkin actual live players filling 9 party slots with useless classes like BH ?
archers are like the 4th best DD for hellbound. I love how you guys just spew a bunch of crap because you have no will to join a decent clan and level up to worthfulness so you can go actually see the good xp spots in the game.
I'm playing this game to entertain MYSELF. I couldn't care LESS about what other people think about me. Non-factor (Seems like that's the new FoTM word, like carebear was once...)... Worthfulness? Who cares. If I have fun doing what I do, that's worth it for me.
Seriously, the problem with most of you uber high-level people is that you tend to completely NEGLECT the fact that the lower levels are worth because you need to go through them to get where you are now. And to learn how to play your class, so you don't arrive at S grade without a clue how to use your skills. To know the game and know good XP spots you need to PLAY it. And learn it.
Unless you just choose other ways, then I have nothing else to say to you.
People talk about being a factor. People talk about worthfulness. Really? Most of the "factors" are there for so many other reasons than being WORTH it. And no, Kayosoni, no one will look at you and take you seriously when you say you can go from lvl 1 to 79 in three weeks, because any legit person that plays the game as it should be played knows that it's completely NOT POSSIBLE... unless you have no life, play this game for more than 15 hours with top OE'd gear, jewels, all kinds of OOP buffers and stuff like that. Still. Lvl 79 in less than one month is highly dubious.
I'm not trying to flame you, I hate flaming people. However, you say it's possible, but you only mention Hellbound. I do not doubt you one moment that you can get 4% an hour on Hellbound at 78 right now, especially with Vitality. I believe it to be completely and perfectly possible, because I've seen what vitality does for 6x and 7x people. The problem isn't with THAT. The problem is that to get to 78, you need all the 1-78 grind. And you don't play on Hellbound from lvl 1, do you?
That you can get amazing exp at 78 on Hellbound with a good party, I totally believe that. The part that makes me LOL is that you forgot to spill the secret on how to get to 78 in three weeks. Really. What is that magic XP spot that can allow me to get to lvl 78 in 3 weeks? And I'm not as much of a casual player. Please share the secret.
again with the vagaries. specifics, vina. a raid party setup of 4 high enchant full S Archers with all OOP buffers + rechargers? or are you talkin actual live players filling 9 party slots with useless classes like BH ?
archers are like the 4th best DD for hellbound. I love how you guys just spew a bunch of crap because you have no will to join a decent clan and level up to worthfulness so you can go actually see the good xp spots in the game.
im just trying to understand. i dont have the TIME to grind that high. i work. in game i am also broke. as in i cant pay for the consumables to grind. so i'll be sitting selling what little i have till i can grind again.
im so broke i dont even have an SA on my fists.
so either explain yourself in great detail or stop posting what may be easily dismissed as lies and nonsense.
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning...
Maybe you should log in to actually go xp, not only to make a shop. But maybe you're too occupied to mumble and groan at bots to actually accept it's possible to get xp faster than you do without botting, without losing your job or skipping school.
:)
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning...
Maybe you should log in to actually go xp, not only to make a shop. But maybe you're too occupied to mumble and groan at bots to actually accept it's possible to get xp faster than you do without botting, without losing your job or skipping school.
:)
but thats the whole thing. how are you gonna get S gear if you dont make a shop? certainly not by exping. even Fire stones take time to get, and time to sell. even then, you need S gear to PUT them on.
so frankly, unless youve GOT the S gear, then no. DONT grind.
You all are incensed at the 1-78 in 3 weeks... why? That's like the stupidest remark ever made... especially on the Official Forums.
I'm lol-ing at this remark:
"For example, I'm in Enmity on bartz. we can put together 4 or so parties for raids, and we have probable 10-15 s80 sets in those 4 parties, and everyone has boss jewels. now if the rates were 2x and there were a bunch of big clans with lots of "low level" (76+ with s grade weapon/armor but no boss jewels).. let's say this clan can bring 10 parties of lvl 76+ people with slightly worse gear than our 4 parties. We would get beat! and eventually these lowbies 76+ in simple s grade would get some epics, and start becoming real competition." This is arrogance at its best.
Also, I do have to agree with the 78+ grind. You ain't seen a grind till you have been hunting for 5-6 hours and only gained MAYBE 1.5%.
You all are incensed at the 1-78 in 3 weeks... why? That's like the stupidest remark ever made... especially on the Official Forums.
I'm lol-ing at this remark:
"For example, I'm in Enmity on bartz. we can put together 4 or so parties for raids, and we have probable 10-15 s80 sets in those 4 parties, and everyone has boss jewels. now if the rates were 2x and there were a bunch of big clans with lots of "low level" (76+ with s grade weapon/armor but no boss jewels).. let's say this clan can bring 10 parties of lvl 76+ people with slightly worse gear than our 4 parties. We would get beat! and eventually these lowbies 76+ in simple s grade would get some epics, and start becoming real competition." This is arrogance at its best.
Also, I do have to agree with the 78+ grind. You ain't seen a grind till you have been hunting for 5-6 hours and only gained MAYBE 1.5%.
heh, according to vina however, you can get 4% PER HOUR at that level. in a full 9 man party too.
i await the remark that it takes a day to do 80-81.
the only thing i am angry at is that vina WONT tell me HOW to get that high so fast.
i bet it would be the typical Woman reply too. "If you dont know im not telling"
in which case i can call BS without fear of rebuke reprisal or reprimand.
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning...
Maybe you should log in to actually go xp, not only to make a shop. But maybe you're too occupied to mumble and groan at bots to actually accept it's possible to get xp faster than you do without botting, without losing your job or skipping school.
:)
I do have a life, job & hobbies other than L2... that said, I travel a lot so if the hotel internet is good enough I'll grind for four or five hours a night while stuck in a hotel. When I'm home, I play every night for at least three hours. I'll put up shops to run overnight but shops are most effective during peak play times so I miss the revenue because I'd rather grind. I've got so much junk to sell, and spend so little time in shop mode, that I have three alt toons (never leveled) with nearly full warehouses.
And while I'm grinding... I turn to my notebook and type these mundane responses to silly posts... and "mumble and groan at bots" as you put it.
So in retrospect, I think I've earned the right to come unglued at someone who makes such an idiotic post.
Server merges don't affect me, im a nomad. i level only with my nomad brothers, and i fight in the bushes and eat scraps of meat and leaves to survive. server merge wont get in my way. all you big clannies freak out over server merges because you lose your clan hall etc..
Just do what you all do best and use your robotic play style to farm up some adena. and get a new one. or do what the game was meant to be and Kill the other clans till they cry and give you money for a clan hall, and prove your dominence. or get crushed.
But So i don't care if there is or wasnt a server merge. HOWEVER it would be a better Idea to just start better advertisement campaigns. but NCsoft probably doesn't know the meaning of having an advertisement budget for NA releases to there games. so good luck to you all out there, Oh and, if you see me around.. help me out... im just a nomad ... i can like beat stuff with my shiny sharp stick with you.
Let's just rewind the tape her for a reality second as these kinds of statements are at least misleading to newer players and at worst just ******ed.
A new player logs on and finds his/her character created. They just bought the game and waited 9-16 hours for the download--K?
They get to lvl 8 with the newbie gear in around an hour. Remember that part? Elpies, keltirs, crap stuff?
At around 20 they MIGHT have been pulled into a clan academy--they might have a shadow weapon, they have clan oath, they might be in a clan with 20 players who log on at various times.
They have about 200,000 adena at 20 (the really carefull will have 400,000). They will have played most of 2 days if everything went well.
No uber clan is going to take them. No clan they join is going to give them top C or B grade stuff at first.
If the average clan is focused on newbies, they'll do one party a day for a couple of hours.
3 weeks later the newbie will be broke in borrowed gear at about lvl 52-55. They'll be lucky to have 2 million adena and they'll know absolutely zero about how to earn a legitimate 5 million adena in the economy. Usually if they've gotten a LOT of help (consumables given to them, some better gear) and have spent all this 3 weeks grinding, they won't even know where to get information about the manor.
They will NOT, under any circumstances that actually exist in the game, be anywhere NEAR 78 with S-grade.
THAT is what happens to new players in 3 weeks. They don't get to 78. They sure as hell aren't wearing S-grade gear. They don't have any adena. They have cast off crap that others can loan them. THey understand about 1/100th of the game content (or less).
So enough with the nonsensical bragging posts about 1-78 in 3 weeks. That's for botters and ebayers. You show me an A-grade new player in 3 weeks with 200+ million adena worth of gear and I'll show you a credit card user.
For the really slow witted and easily tricked--there is NO NORMAL GAME MECHANISM that will generate 200 million adena for new players in 3 weeks. That's Z-E-R-O. Not possible. Never been done--never will be done. 20 million as a newb in a month? 50 million? They'd be exceptional and it would take some amazing effort but it's just within the realm of possibility (though not enough for a top A-grade weapon). They'd be significantly better than me or anyone I've ever heard of--they'd be some quick thinking, fast to grasp, lucky sob's....but I could almost believe it if they could explain any details at all about their efforts. But 200 million +? lmao..... And 200 million sure is a long way short of S-grade, isn't it?
Can I get a rerolled toon to 52 in a week on my account? Sure--because I can give that toon the best of everything. Because I spent 3 freaking YEARS earning adena.
Let's make sure we're accurate and realistic. Some of the people reading these threads deserve to hear reality (which may help them be less frustrated when 3 month into the game they still aren't in A-grade).
I'm 77 in all A grade and I grind just fine with no S grade (just jewelry) and I still solo rooms :p
some classes actually NEED S grade, ashley. like Tanks.
No they don't? Other than jewlery, The only classes that need S Grade would be your DD's pretty much. Draconic w/Focus, Arcana Mace w/ Acumen, Angel Slayer w/ Haste.
Heh Drakky, pretty much spot on, the only thing that changed with CT2 is that you no longer take an hour to get to lvl 8. In an hour, you're 20 with class change done. The rest, is pretty much correct.
And I'd like to add that I still want to know the secret to go from lvl 1-78 in 3 weeks. Even if you get 4% an hour from 78 to 79 in Hellbound or wherever it is, to get 100%, that alone would take umm... 25 hours of nonstop grinding, or around 5 days if you play 6 hours a day (which is a lot). And that alone is almost a week :)
Oh well... I'm still waiting for the magic secret. And don't come with "you non-factors should go and get a good clan and know the good XP places", because that's an excuse at best.
THAT is what happens to new players in 3 weeks. They don't get to 78. They sure as hell aren't wearing S-grade gear. They don't have any adena. They have cast off crap that others can loan them. THey understand about 1/100th of the game content (or less).
I'm sure Kayo wasn't talking about that kind of players.
He most likely meant you can get 1-78 in 3 weeks if you make 1-20 in one hour or less, wear your S-grade fists+10, drag along your BD, SWS, recharger and CoV level 78 boxes, go to level ~55 fast and then enter FoG parties. Don't forget your boss jewels and be in the dominant alliance of the server, so that lesser mortals won't bother you much as you fly by the levels.
THAT is what happens to new players in 3 weeks. They don't get to 78. They sure as hell aren't wearing S-grade gear. They don't have any adena. They have cast off crap that others can loan them. THey understand about 1/100th of the game content (or less).
I'm sure Kayo wasn't talking about that kind of players.
He most likely meant you can get 1-78 in 3 weeks if you make 1-20 in one hour or less, wear your S-grade fists+10, drag along your BD, SWS, recharger and CoV level 78 boxes, go to level ~55 fast and then enter FoG parties. Don't forget your boss jewels and be in the dominant alliance of the server, so that lesser mortals won't bother you much as you fly by the levels.
Sure, it's doable.
and how many hours of automated game play is this? 504 hours (21 days)?
No way you can do that unless you are getting exp 24/7 and there is no way you can get exp 24/7 any legit way.
and btw..how many LEGIT players has lvl 78 buffpets?
Heh Drakky, pretty much spot on, the only thing that changed with CT2 is that you no longer take an hour to get to lvl 8. In an hour, you're 20 with class change done. The rest, is pretty much correct.
For someone who just started the game? I seriously doubt it. You have to remember that these people don't even know which NPC to talk to, what town to go to, where to find the right mobs, etc.
well elro, the newbie guide directs you to the NPCs for the 3 quests required to get 20 in under an hour without any gear at all - and if youre a Darkelf Mystic that means hunting around 18 mobs (doable without any gear at all!)
so unless that person did NOT follow the prompts to talk to the newbie guide, theyll fly though 1-20.
For someone who just started the game? I seriously doubt it. You have to remember that these people don't even know which NPC to talk to, what town to go to, where to find the right mobs, etc.
if a new player doesn't have the brains to wonder "hey i wonder what that NPC labeled newbie helper does" then they wont have a hope in L2
Fine. If both of you think that all there is to it is following a guide, then sure. But I still think that a brand new person, especially someone from WoW or something similar, is going to take longer. Hell, just figuring out the controls, where (and how) to buy skills, how to use shots, etc would add to the learning curve.
Fine. If both of you think that all there is to it is following a guide, then sure. But I still think that a brand new person, especially someone from WoW or something similar, is going to take longer. Hell, just figuring out the controls, where (and how) to buy skills, how to use shots, etc would add to the learning curve.
To be honest I agree with Elro.
I don't think the average player is going to go to the noob guide and start following it by the letter. Especially because that is probably a bit antithetical to what a player is really going to do which is to go out start grinding, exploring and clicking on quest npc's with the "!" over their head.
It's possible but I think that new players are more concerned about exploring and meeting new players.
I'm 100% live to 74... and I've been here since late C1. And yea, I've done the all-nighters and spent weeks grinding till the wee hours of the morning...
Maybe you should log in to actually go xp, not only to make a shop. But maybe you're too occupied to mumble and groan at bots to actually accept it's possible to get xp faster than you do without botting, without losing your job or skipping school.
:)
I do have a life, job & hobbies other than L2... that said, I travel a lot so if the hotel internet is good enough I'll grind for four or five hours a night while stuck in a hotel. When I'm home, I play every night for at least three hours. I'll put up shops to run overnight but shops are most effective during peak play times so I miss the revenue because I'd rather grind. I've got so much junk to sell, and spend so little time in shop mode, that I have three alt toons (never leveled) with nearly full warehouses.
And while I'm grinding... I turn to my notebook and type these mundane responses to silly posts... and "mumble and groan at bots" as you put it.
So in retrospect, I think I've earned the right to come unglued at someone who makes such an idiotic post.
1-79 in 3 weeks or months is a stupid claim that you shouldn't even take seriously, that is sure. But if you've been playing since C1 and are still 74, either you have 6X alts, or you've not been playing as regularily as you state. Otherwise you're doing it very wrong and you shouldn't voice your opinion on this precise subject.
for example, I;m in enmity on bartz. we can put together 4 or so parties for raids, and we have probable 10-15 s80 sets in those 4 parties, and everyone has boss jewels. now if the rates were 2x and there were a bunch of big clans with lots of "low level" (76+ with s grade weapon/armor but no boss jewels).. let's say this clan can bring 10 parties of lvl 76+ people with slightly worse gear than our 4 parties. We would get beat! and eventually these lowbies 76+ in simple s grade would get some epics, and start becoming real competiton.
That's what this game needs. 2x rates.
Lol, you're a botter and so is your whole f-in clan. And EVERYBODY on Bartz knows it. Why are you even talking about anything to do with the game mechanics?
I haven't read many replies to the OP, but I like Phoenix better since the merge, not only because it was our chance to get a clan hall, but because a more active server attracts more players, and I see a lot of new players and returning players every day.
So if it's still impossible to physically move servers (east coast / west coast), I say yes to Phoenix + Devianne :) and I hope next time we get more notice before the merge.
So Gurduul your idea is merge two 2000+ people servers so that when everyone is on at peak times u cannot log on? NOW THATS A GREAT IDEA, do you remember early C1 and prelude when u had to keep hitting reconnect?
na :( I know what your talking about Kru and lack of classes I like to play is going to stop me from playing it. No archer or dagger classes in a MMORPG is a serious problem.