I don't think the levels need changing - they maybe need to add more in. I can actually imagine that with the new continent on its way there will be a large number of new ones added over there.
You miss my point. A large community of L2 players now 78-79+.. and when organizing raids like baium.. The allies that actually do baium and other raid boss are end game allies. Not taking a 79 archer means that over half the archers arent going to be able to go..
n2m Cabrio/Barakiel.. which are just epic when your trying to kill them with your two box buffer heals and like a lowb goof around destro n stuff.
You miss my point. A large community of L2 players now 78-79+.. and when organizing raids like baium.. The allies that actually do baium and other raid boss are end game allies. Not taking a 79 archer means that over half the archers arent going to be able to go..
You miss my point. A large community of L2 players now 78-79+.. and when organizing raids like baium.. The allies that actually do baium and other raid boss are end game allies. Not taking a 79 archer means that over half the archers arent going to be able to go..
Doesn't only the last hit matter?
Last hit is for Crystals, Damage done determines drops.
the boss levels are exactly how they should be ....... if you want to get baium ....get another char to the apropiate lvl ......baium doesn't need to be changed just because your party wants some baium rings
You miss my point. A large community of L2 players now 78-79+.. and when organizing raids like baium.. The allies that actually do baium and other raid boss are end game allies. Not taking a 79 archer means that over half the archers arent going to be able to go..
n2m Cabrio/Barakiel.. which are just epic when your trying to kill them with your two box buffer heals and like a lowb goof around destro n stuff.
let me make the statement that i made the last time this idea was suggested.
why would alyra have anything to do with raiding? alyra is merely the forum admin and web team co-ordinator / relay to Korea. if you want a person with administrative access to the game youll have to learn Korean.
alyra, in short, has nothing to do with editing the game in any way.
It does get increasingly difficult for our people in clan to get Barakiel done, since most of our mains are 79+ and the subclasses don't provide the kind of party needed to bring him down. Cabrio, also.
I support the idea to at least remove the level penalties for these bosses.
And Spud... tell me... what are your subclasses? I think I missed the part where you leveled your toon up to the point you could do that... Gratz! <3
It does get increasingly difficult for our people in clan to get Barakiel done, since most of our mains are 79+ and the subclasses don't provide the kind of party needed to bring him down. Cabrio, also.
I support the idea to at least remove the level penalties for these bosses.
And Spud... tell me... what are your subclasses? I think I missed the part where you leveled your toon up to the point you could do that... Gratz! <3
everyone subs HE or TH anyway. no wonder you dont have good raid parties.
if people subbed Prophets instead of boxing them, or subbed Tyrants, or perhaps Summoner. but no, HE is the fastest to noble and easiest to pvp with, and awesome at sieges.
if clans were smart and had people that subbed non-archer classes, it would be an easier time of raiding.
my subclass will be Warcrier. im 68, still dreaming.
So basically you want these top / special raid bosses tied to the top tier players for like forever. Where does this help the up and coming players who are in the correct level area that want to start playing them. Oh, that is right, keep it going so level 85's can own and control these high value drops and keep the rest of the server feeding their adena needs.
Personally, either roll and alt, subclass or de-level if these bosses are your bread and butter. Everyone else has to on the other bosses.
De-leveling is an excepted way, use the game mechanics, don't keep changing the game play - geeze
So basically you want these top / special raid bosses tied to the top tier players for like forever. Where does this help the up and coming players who are in the correct level area that want to start playing them. Oh, that is right, keep it going so level 85's can own and control these high value drops and keep the rest of the server feeding their adena needs.
Personally, either roll and alt, subclass or de-level if these bosses are your bread and butter. Everyone else has to on the other bosses.
De-leveling is an excepted way, use the game mechanics, don't keep changing the game play - geeze
I dont know what server you play on.. But there is zero chance a mid level clan or ally will get baium. When baium is about to spawn you normally have many many parties of the big named alliances already sitting there waiting.
This is stricly for baium.
Cabrio/Barakiel im simply asking because i like helping clannies comming up or anyone who pm's me asking me to play and help them.. but i have to decline because of the lvl cap.
Im lvl 80.. im not de-lvling.. my other accts and 2 boxes are too high.. Im more interested in this question being answered for cabrio and barakiel. Baium can still be dun so its not a problem of doing it.. Just drop rates....
everyone subs HE or TH anyway. no wonder you dont have good raid parties.
if people subbed Prophets instead of boxing them, or subbed Tyrants, or perhaps Summoner. but no, HE is the fastest to noble and easiest to pvp with, and awesome at sieges.
if clans were smart and had people that subbed non-archer classes, it would be an easier time of raiding.
Spud, this is just plain not true in most high level clans. In my clan, people have always subbed the most needed support classes. True, those that don't, usually sub tyrants or destroyers because they are the fastest to level -- but that's because they already have a support class. And prophets, in case you haven't been paying attention, have pretty much gotten the shaft at high levels these days.
And keep up with the times!! Archers aren't the FotM anymore (Dance of Bladestorm kinda undid that). It's daggers (Lethal Blow, Crit Wound, ShadowStep). Nukers now have that crit damage advantage too.
My subclass will be Warcrier. Im 68, still dreaming.
So, the "subclass more" statement was just a smart alec remark, I suppose? <3
buffers are irrelevant since their lvl doesn't matter
and 90% of the player base is subbed archer anyway so if they could resist the urge to lvl it to 80 (hard i know when the class is so easy) they wouldn't have a problem doing the raids
no, it was serious. if he subbed, those bosses would give loot. theyd be harder, but theyd give loot.
honestly IDC what the majority of subs are. people pick fast levelling subs to fly to noble. whether thats an archer or nuker or whatever.
the OP has admitted he has boxed accounts, well then it shouldnt be a problem to get another subclass to the correct level then should it?
I don't understand the problem, either. There are already bosses in game which give highly wanted loot, like AQ/Zaken, for which you need to have toons in the correct level range. Baium is the same, just at a very much higher level. Just bring people at the super high levels for pvp and others at slightly lower levels (subclasses?) for the actual farming. You still can use super high levels for buffs/debuffs/damage, they just cannot deal the MOST damage. Just have them stop hitting after the 40/50% hp mark.
Cabrio/Barakiel are easy to kill, it should not be any problem to do them on subclasses.
Well, I don't know many people who do Cabrio and Barakiel for the loot dropped. They do it to satisfy quest requirements. I think that Baium was mentioned but doesn't really apply to what the OP was saying.
I remember when we had to bring numerous parties to bring down Cabrio. It was an ally-wide event. Now, a single party can bring him down. Baium still needs 3 or 4 parties, and the ring if valuable, yes. But the draw for Baium is the pvp that happens before hand :) just like Frintessa....
honestly IDC what the majority of subs are. people pick fast levelling subs to fly to noble. whether thats an archer or nuker or whatever.
That statement isn't true.
In fact I know alot of melee class (tyrant for IE), lvl faster then a archer. While Nukers are limited by mp pool/regen rate (OOP support).
The only thing that makes a tyrant slow to lvl, is the mobs spawn rate, Cata's are slow for me cause I kill so fast while soloing them. I've found some other places where the mob density is much higher, so I try to spend my time there rather then in cata's.
Archers isn't the top cream of the crop no more spud, the range makes a factor in their dmg, and if you have a sws/ bd in party you can nerf the archers dmg.
Also don't forget alot of people do subclasses for spectific subclass skills. IE: chance haste from warrior sub, or lesser cel. shield from a buffer type sub. Even chance M/P df from the tank sub line.
Im more interested in this question being answered for cabrio and barakiel.
Baium can still be dun so its not a problem of doing it..
my guess is either youre nuts, or you really dont understand your own topic.
or both.
i dont know what server you play on but on Mine anyone can go stab baium if they ask nicely and have a neutral clantag.
So you take words and pull them out of context and thats your insult. Uselessness once again.
the OP has admitted he has boxed accounts, well then it shouldnt be a problem to get another subclass to the correct level then should it?
Your character is lvl 68, you have no idea what you are talking about.
so i have to have subs on my box's that are all 70ish, and the right sub classes in order to help clannies with barakiel and cabrio? when they could just make the boss like lvl 73 and solve many problems.
a lot of work, and i know im not the only person who has had problems like this.. Im just looking for an official answer or any sort of intelligent response.
I don't think you will ever get an official respond because as someone already point out, Alyra or Siren can only tell you put this under suggestion. They can't ansswer you because thats not their job as they can't give opinion (and based on past posting from any CMs, you should know by now)
Hell, i bet many are curious on a lot of things, but at the end it is up to the Dev team over in Korea, not our CMs. All they can do it to tell you is make a suggestion and they will try to forward it.
so i have to have subs on my box's that are all 70ish, and the right sub classes in order to help clannies with barakiel and cabrio? when they could just make the boss like lvl 73 and solve many problems.
Barakiel and Cabrio can be done easily with parties of people up to lvl 78. I cannot believe you can't put together two or three parties of people 78-, when you have all the mains and subs of your alliance to choose from. We have enough bd, sws, buffer, healer subclasses (and of course DD) in our clan and alliance to EASILY make parties good enough to take down these bosses. I cannot understand why this should not be the same for other alliances. Even if there are maybe a few people who are crazy enough to have lvl 80+/80 on main and ALL subclasses, I can't believe this is the case for every single alliance member.
If you really have the problem that your main and ALL your subclasses are too high for these bosses, AND this is the same for every single other alliance member, then the problem is somewhere else anyway.
It does get increasingly difficult for our people in clan to get Barakiel done, since most of our mains are 79+ and the subclasses don't provide the kind of party needed to bring him down. Cabrio, also.
I support the idea to at least remove the level penalties for these bosses.
And Spud... tell me... what are your subclasses? I think I missed the part where you leveled your toon up to the point you could do that... Gratz! <3
everyone subs HE or TH anyway. no wonder you dont have good raid parties.
if people subbed Prophets instead of boxing them, or subbed Tyrants, or perhaps Summoner. but no, HE is the fastest to noble and easiest to pvp with, and awesome at sieges.
if clans were smart and had people that subbed non-archer classes, it would be an easier time of raiding.
my subclass will be Warcrier. im 68, still dreaming.
You do know Archer parties are some of the best for raiding, right? You do know Baium is done with Archer parties, right? So not sure what the point of your post was.
but what makes those HE's so powerful? what gives HE the distinct advantage over say a SR or PR? the answer: weight cap. thats it.
i dont care who you are - youre NOT a powerful Archer without a DraconicFocus, fully buffed + end game chant of victory, +baium, +antqueen, in Drac Light, with 150 elemental, AND a crit augment.
the class really means nothing in these boots. a PR or SR could very easily own face in this gear.
but the point was HE is a great PVP and PVE class. it is often picked for subs in the race to Noble because of its inherently good survivability in any situation when properly supported. it takes no skill to play HE.
same can be said about any mage.
Tyrants, Glads, these need a bit more than simple buffs and cp pots to kill and survive. needs live, non-bot help.
but what makes those HE's so powerful? what gives HE the distinct advantage over say a SR or PR? the answer: weight cap. thats it.
i dont care who you are - youre NOT a powerful Archer without a DraconicFocus, fully buffed + end game chant of victory, +baium, +antqueen, in Drac Light, with 150 elemental, AND a crit augment.
the class really means nothing in these boots. a PR or SR could very easily own face in this gear.
but the point was HE is a great PVP and PVE class. it is often picked for subs in the race to Noble because of its inherently good survivability in any situation when properly supported. it takes no skill to play HE.
same can be said about any mage.
Tyrants, Glads, these need a bit more than simple buffs and cp pots to kill and survive. needs live, non-bot help.
This may sound silly, but how does anything you just posted have anything to do with HEs not being good for raids? All I see is "cry-cry SRs and PRs good too cry-cry" and "cry-cry archer takes no skill cry-cry" and "cry-cry to play a tyrant and glad needs skill cry-cry" but nothing about "cry-cry gladiators are the most amazing raiders ever and people are stupid for not subbing gladiator cry-cry"
You mean the point that you think too many people roll or sub Hawkeyes? What does that point have anything to do at all with this thread? Are you saying Hawkeyes level too quickly and there are too many level 78 Hawkeyes running around out there? Or isn't that just what happens when lots of people choose one class and there's bound to be a bigger distribution? Do you need Statistics tutoring? Did you even HAVE a point? Do you realize simply responding "you missed the point" makes it seem as if you don't even know what point the other poster is supposed to catch? Could you possibly fail any more as a poster? Could you possibly be any more useless to people asking legitimate questions?
Cabrio/Barakiel im simply asking because i like helping clannies comming up or anyone who pm's me asking me to play and help them.. but i have to decline because of the lvl cap.
I've seen Cabrio done with one non-full half-pickup party.
Barakiel is not much harder to do (Barakiel has better drops, though). If you cannot do it being in your clan because of wars, detag and do it with neutrals.
but what makes those HE's so powerful? what gives HE the distinct advantage over say a SR or PR? the answer: weight cap. thats it.
i dont care who you are - youre NOT a powerful Archer without a DraconicFocus, fully buffed + end game chant of victory, +baium, +antqueen, in Drac Light, with 150 elemental, AND a crit augment.
the class really means nothing in these boots. a PR or SR could very easily own face in this gear.
but the point was HE is a great PVP and PVE class. it is often picked for subs in the race to Noble because of its inherently good survivability in any situation when properly supported. it takes no skill to play HE.
same can be said about any mage.
Tyrants, Glads, these need a bit more than simple buffs and cp pots to kill and survive. needs live, non-bot help.
LoL...
Yes, Weight Cap... That's it! Not the HP, nor the CON... nor the fact they get both Crit. Damage and Crit. Chance Passives, nor the fact they get Attack Speed passives...
Clearly the Weight Cap is what makes HE's --> The Win Class.
You mean the point that you think too many people roll or sub Hawkeyes? What does that point have anything to do at all with this thread? Are you saying Hawkeyes level too quickly and there are too many level 78 Hawkeyes running around out there? Or isn't that just what happens when lots of people choose one class and there's bound to be a bigger distribution? Do you need Statistics tutoring? Did you even HAVE a point? Do you realize simply responding "you missed the point" makes it seem as if you don't even know what point the other poster is supposed to catch? Could you possibly fail any more as a poster? Could you possibly be any more useless to people asking legitimate questions?
alright, blind pony boy, i'll spell it out for you.
try to read more than the first 2 lines of this post.
my initial reply to the OP was "subclass more."
in doing so, regardless of his subclass choice, he would be in range of the bosses. given the OP's pride in his level 80, with multiple accounts at that level, i'd think pve to high level was something he could quickly shrug off.
the topic was semi-derailed on the point armenua brought up and i have been continually trying to address: Subclasses dont provide the kind of party needed to bring [Barakiel] down"
to which i offer the following advice: there are too many people subbing HE, so much so that yes, indeed too many chefs spoil the broth. if people would sub things that support the HE (or as adressed by you ML, if people subbed things that supported Glad or glad itself) that the raids would go better and be far easier.
but somewhere down the line, the topic became about the strength of the HE; derailed because people dispute the fact (fact!) that HE (or any other strong pvp class) are more often subbed, leaving a gap in available support for these subs.
I know why Baium's lvl should be changed.
Baium drops books for 81lvl skills and 81lvl ppl have Baium dark blue, which doesnt make any sense.
i agree..
this thing with baium droping 81lvl sbs and at the same time being low lvl for 81 players is even more ridiculus than HB mobs droping A grade parts
as for AQ and zaken even now that they are low lvl they are being farmed by major clans so making them 79 wouldnt change anything (although i dont agree with making them 79). but u dont see anybody whining about making them higher lvl because they are so low and making a 40lvl toon for AQ takes 3 days and 60lvl a bit more but its easy anyway so nobody cares. but making a 77lvl archer for baium requires "a bit" more effort.
Man! It's epics we are talking about here!! They must be freaking TOUGH raids to defeat. So yeah, it MUST require 'a bit' more grinding before you even attemp about doing them!
When the raids are 79-80, low lvls players (76 included) will fail and /miss pretty much - which is good actually. SO, become 78+ and you are ready for epics then! cause wtf is that that AQ is lvl 40! lol! amazing RING for lvl 40 only? no waay. Frintezza included!
I would like to see that it requires at least 20-30 lvl40/50/60 (depends on which boss) kill the "epic" boss than just a few of those toons with lvl78+ buffs/songs/dances [censored] the boss in just a few seconds (exaggerate, but u know what I mean :D)
i love the way this game is. it nice to keep and making everything difficult. that is one of the special thing about role playing game. if it is so darn easy go play WOW or something.
Man! It's epics we are talking about here!! They must be freaking TOUGH raids to defeat. So yeah, it MUST require 'a bit' more grinding before you even attemp about doing them!
When the raids are 79-80, low lvls players (76 included) will fail and /miss pretty much - which is good actually. SO, become 78+ and you are ready for epics then! cause wtf is that that AQ is lvl 40! lol! amazing RING for lvl 40 only? no waay. Frintezza included!
The problem with AQ/Zaken grade.
AQ should be low C, and Zaken High B/Low A.
Then ppl should make hard choice - crappy m def and bonus, or m def and now bonus.
Zaken S grade is stupid.
You miss my point. A large community of L2 players now 78-79+.. and when organizing raids like baium.. The allies that actually do baium and other raid boss are end game allies. Not taking a 79 archer means that over half the archers arent going to be able to go..
n2m Cabrio/Barakiel.. which are just epic when your trying to kill them with your two box buffer heals and like a lowb goof around destro n stuff.
let me make the statement that i made the last time this idea was suggested.