hi all,
it's a couple of weeks market on teon(and i've heard on all other servers)is completely gone crazy,
price of everything is reduplicated,
price of some things were decupled,like sop,
and the prices don't seem to stop increasing,
so it means that people have the money to buy,
but where the hell does this money come from?
is there any new dupe exploit that farmers know?
this is really no good.
adena cloning
and it's not the farmers doing it :)
I heard this was a rumor... Has this been CONFIRMED that there is this exploit in the game?
That can explain a lot...
EDIT: I don't want to know what the exploit is (don't put it in here, please use support site). I just want a confirmation that it does exist so that I can put this insane price inflation into perspective...
i'd say SOP prices have risen because of two things: one is the now REQUIREMENT to CRAFT an oe'able item, two is the number of people CRAFTING for masterwork SETS. notice EVERY dwarf has no mp. notice recipe prices have also doubled and in some cases tripled. coin prices have rocketed, and manors of all cities are pretty nearly always sold out of even things like thread and animal skin.
adena duping farmers have been around since the dawn of the game its not a new exploit.
No, it's the basic changes that snowball into bigger issues. It's the bots leaving/getting banned from catas which leads to a lower supply of AA and a higher price. Gems, SA, unsealing become more expensive. Crafting now costs a few mil more per item etc etc. A grade recipes drop in random places most people don't xp in, imo, so the few that do monopolize the supply. One thing leads to two new things, leads to two new things.
The real issue I have is the people not clever enough to make money see this situation and think "I'll hike up my prices since only I have the item." I could write a thesis on the stupidity and short-sightedness of that thinking. Problem is it is hard to fight. Thinking about the economy as a whole, I don't hike up my basic mats prices. But they sell very quick now. So I'm hoping that resellers aren't the ones grabbing them.
oh rly? how it is possible that on Luna im getting pms with adena selling cheeper when on teon and franz? How the ef Luna made more adena for 5 months when Franz/Teon for 2 years?
Wizzard Hat was bought on franz from auction for 2.1b lol
Some bot trains have +8-9 AM already ^^
It was same in C4, dont tell all going fine.
No, it's the basic changes that snowball into bigger issues. It's the bots leaving/getting banned from catas which leads to a lower supply of AA and a higher price. Gems, SA, unsealing become more expensive. Crafting now costs a few mil more per item etc etc. A grade recipes drop in random places most people don't xp in, imo, so the few that do monopolize the supply. One thing leads to two new things, leads to two new things.
The real issue I have is the people not clever enough to make money see this situation and think "I'll hike up my prices since only I have the item." I could write a thesis on the stupidity and short-sightedness of that thinking. Problem is it is hard to fight. Thinking about the economy as a whole, I don't hike up my basic mats prices. But they sell very quick now. So I'm hoping that resellers aren't the ones grabbing them.
Vicious circle.
man,
no bots are being banned/leaving cata,
just go to ANY CATA out there and see by yourself,
i'm in a duo,me and my pp,
and it's very difficult to find a little room,
while about medium and large room of catas,
they are TOTALLY taken by bots train.
also consider this,
farmers are selling adena at very low prices now,
half the price of 3 weeks ago(just check the daily spam pm
you receive),
the point is why they sell adena at so low price?
if the prices of a market go high there is more demand of money,and so the price of money should go up too,
but in this case it's the half or less,
while market prices go up,
the only explanation is that farmers are
producing a lot more adena than they can sell,
and why just now in the last 3 weeks?
NC Soft had better step up and deal with this fast or else the economy of all retail servers will be like playing some private freeshard with x45 Rates...
@Spudnik and Lik, nice analysis but it doesnt apply. There's a russian made adena clone, started in Luna and Franz, made it's way to Teon, and no for a change it wasnt made by X's radar programer dudes.
It's been reported, whether they ll do something about it or even if they can do something about it considering a pretty large sum of money has already entered into the system is another story.
BTW your reasonning is flawed. If recipes, gemstones and key mats are harder to find, less craft is done thus the price of basic mats decreases. When you craft less, you need less basic mats you know...
So yeah it's more about some people buying everything.
I'm watching unofficial forums too and can't see anything.
I'm glad you discovered that there are two sides to a coin, Wash, but consider that the game has been out for 5 years and people aren't interested in crafting less at all. Nothing is harder to find, unless you want to pay less. We even have masterwork items now that are a big incentive to craft.
I'm not denying the possibility of an "adena dupe." It's just a lot more likely to believe that people are not very educated about certain things. For example, Devianne is currently experiencing A and S crystal prices at x2,x3 their normal rates. For a few nights, no one was selling A/S crystals and then a couple nights ago somebody had the bright idea of raising the price a ton. Then a few other people joined in and now we have a situation. Most of giran believes the cheapest way to make A crystals is through mammon at 7a/aa and that the prices are justified.
Recipes have no reason to be "harder to find." Gemstones are just more expensive, as are most basic mats. While crafting for profit, I'll easily pay a premium on basic stuff just so I can craft faster. If it costs me 6mil instead of 5m to craft a 30mil item, I won't be too bothered.
Is that the solution? I mean really? You know I could do that but I don't have the time. 100k AA for 1 S gemstone. 100kAA per day for me is pushing it and even then I don't play hardly untill the weekend so thats 2 S gems per week.
No thanks, I'd rather buy them at normal price. Is it normal for sops to be even over 10k? cbp over 20k? a crystal pushing 50k? Do you now farm for everything due to the prices being tripled or quadrupled? I doubt it because you probably wouldn't have so many high level toons.
Well if nobody is selling them at "normal" prices then its going to be quite a trick to buy them at "normal" prices. I suspect this might be related to the laws of supply and demand. Some see it as a hindrance, others see an opportunity. L2 economics isn't like American socialism. Market prices are not going to be arbitrarily adjusted. And that's a good thing.
Is that the solution? I mean really? You know I could do that but I don't have the time. 100k AA for 1 S gemstone. 100kAA per day for me is pushing it and even then I don't play hardly untill the weekend so thats 2 S gems per week.
No thanks, I'd rather buy them at normal price. Is it normal for sops to be even over 10k? cbp over 20k? a crystal pushing 50k? Do you now farm for everything due to the prices being tripled or quadrupled? I doubt it because you probably wouldn't have so many high level toons.
I have pleny of high lvl toons, and I also seed wherever I hunt with my melee chars. I recently put all my toons in one clan (my own) and pooled the mats, for instance I had over 1k synthetic cokes. Been a while since I seeded for cbp or sop, but if what you say is true about the prices, maybe its worthwhile.
I'm watching unofficial forums too and can't see anything.
I read unofficial forums too (non-english) and I found the confirmation coming from reliable sources. Certain exploits do exist, and it's up to NCsoft to take care of the problem itself rather than delete controversial threads from the official message boards.
Though I don't see how it would be possible to remove huge amounts of "unlegit" adena without affecting the economy even more.
:confused:
I'm watching unofficial forums too and can't see anything.
I read unofficial forums too (non-english) and I found the confirmation coming from reliable sources. Certain exploits do exist, and it's up to NCsoft to take care of the problem itself rather than delete controversial threads from the official message boards.
Though I don't see how it would be possible to remove huge amounts of "unlegit" adena without affecting the economy even more.
:confused:
+1 for this one.
As some of you guys mentioned, "it's Russian dupe adena" so read russian forums not Enlgish ones. Besides, dupe adena DOES exist. It's an exploit, yes, there are tons of dupe adena, yes, and it's made with the speed of 10kk in 5 min. To get rid od THE adena is almost impossible: you either ban everyone who ever touched it (i.e. you were selling shots in Giran and smb. came and bought 10k BSS from you and he used this dupe adena HE bought from farmers or any other place - and YOU along with HIM must be banned) or wipe all servers and "hallo to lvl 1 toons" again.
OR maybe smth. will happen. But it's more like: they will fix this bug and won't be able to remove the adena.
the market is fked Dow is -777.... oh you mean in L2 ><
:P
Interesting that both markets are suffering from similar problems; someone figured out how to make a bunch of 'fake' money out of thin air and went a bit too far with it.
man,
no bots are being banned/leaving cata,
just go to ANY CATA out there and see by yourself,
i'm in a duo,me and my pp,
and it's very difficult to find a little room,
while about medium and large room of catas,
they are TOTALLY taken by bots train.
also consider this,
farmers are selling adena at very low prices now,
half the price of 3 weeks ago(just check the daily spam pm
you receive),
the point is why they sell adena at so low price?
if the prices of a market go high there is more demand of money,and so the price of money should go up too,
but in this case it's the half or less,
while market prices go up,
the only explanation is that farmers are
producing a lot more adena than they can sell,
and why just now in the last 3 weeks?
Is that the solution? I mean really? You know I could do that but I don't have the time. 100k AA for 1 S gemstone. 100kAA per day for me is pushing it and even then I don't play hardly untill the weekend so thats 2 S gems per week.
No thanks, I'd rather buy them at normal price. Is it normal for sops to be even over 10k? cbp over 20k? a crystal pushing 50k? Do you now farm for everything due to the prices being tripled or quadrupled? I doubt it because you probably wouldn't have so many high level toons.
Actually (not to flame), you have exactly the same time that everyone else has.
What would be more accurate to say is either; "I don't choose to play as much" or, "I choose to spend my game time running around having fun in PvP (or whatever)".
One reason you pay more for others to make things is that they committed TIME to accomplish that which you aren't willing to do.
What is the value of the time for a player with a dwarf who is crafting? The value of time for the actual player struggling to manor lucrative mats?
Should these folks commit that time and basically just GIVE that stuff to you so you don't have any discomfort?
I don't think so.
You can generate any of the mats you mentioned in good quantities in 6-8 hours per week of play time.
Since you CHOOSE not to, then it makes sense you should pay a premium (and expose yourself to market trends and vagueries) for those items that OTHERS are producing.
As for the other points about market movement--it's all usually reasonable within the game environment. THere are many of us on each server who are opportunistic who WITHOLD items until they are lucrative. If I see no one selling "item X" for 2 days and see multiple shouts--I can probably throw a shop up and nearly double the price of "item x"--after [censored] resets at my inflated rate, I move "item x" to a usual sell-toon and lower my asking price to a bit under what I initially set. This STILL allows me to make a premium on a very small volume.
When others jump into that market and compete--I exit it and move on to the next and put "item x" back into the WH.
You see, I only intend to sell in a way that takes adena away from you to my advantage. I don't want you to "get what you need"--I want to make all the profit I'm able, at your expense.
I don't log in and struggle with the manor and work out market equations and plan ahead and keep track of certain item trend prices and continually try to stay a step ahead of competition just so you have an easy time getting what you want in L2.
I don't agree with you but that's not new. It's not only a matter of choice. It seldom is. If you come back from work and there is no seed anymore at manor manager, you have no choice and cannot seed.
Of course you'll tell me that I chose to work instead of playing. :p
The main thing from my view is that many players have expectations that those who work and invest time to create and gather should somehow give the stuff to those who log just to pvp or siege. I'm not saying that's you--just that many have that opinion, as if dwarves and other creators in the game somehow work for those who only pvp.
I work fulltime as well (50+ hours per week), I have a family too, I play other MMO's--but if I want something in L2 I get it.
What you pointed out as a suggestion something is broken is, imo, nothing more than the normal market cycles in the first place.
We jump into markets (which increases availability and decreases price) and we jump out (which does the opposite). Any player could choose to participate in that rather than be subject to market whims.
I'm not looking for agreement (lol)--just making additional points. I expect most will disagree with me which won't mean I'm wrong!
~D~
hi all,
it's a couple of weeks market on teon(and i've heard on all other servers)is completely gone crazy,
price of everything is reduplicated,
price of some things were decupled,like sop,
and the prices don't seem to stop increasing,
so it means that people have the money to buy,
but where the hell does this money come from?
is there any new dupe exploit that farmers know?
this is really no good.
This was the topic. "what is happening to markets".
The tinfoil hat crowd imagining unfixed exploits as the probable cause was "off topic".
The simplest answer is usually the correct one. Spud gave it to you.
The market fluctuates--sometimes wildly. Sometimes its wild fluctuations are manufactured by legit players capitalizing and sometimes simply by players focus while they play.
AA can sell for 2 and for 6a each--within a month. This isn't a sign that someone found an exploit.
Since about 1 in 100 players actually participate legitimately in the market, I'm not surprised that questions of these kind lead to speculations about exploits, grumblins, snarks, and aliens as possible causes.....gotta keep an eye on those snarks!
(totally missing the days when AA was 2-3 A on KAIN) i thought it was cause i was gone for a long time that prices went so crazy, but i guess its more recent? oh well it helped me make liek 30 mil on my dwarfs crazy surplus of craft items from the many many months of scavaging for items.
FACTS:
a)SoP being 30k
b)need around 500 SoP to make top B Duals (adding 15M to the price to make duals)
c) people telling you that buying +4 top B Duals over 25M is a theft.
or
a)current price to make top B weapons almost tops 80M-90M
b)people telling you that a +3 Sword of Damascus for 80M is a theft and then making you a big drama scene
thanks for the introduction to basic economics drakkos.
the question is not why have prices increased but since there are people who are able to pay, in certain cases the extrem prices (for weapons, armors, etc..) the real real question that arises is how did they get the money. Where does the money come from?
u cant seed SOP afaik
its drop or spoil only
that and because u need SOP for nearly everything
(craft, dualizing, ...) the seller can just dictate the market
for those...
or - u go out and spoil them urself :)
if u find a spot between the hordes of bots running that is
manor is f*** too because of walker buying seeds or handing
in crops at exact reset time of the manor
S-Crys/ -Gems prices are equal to AA prices +/- a few adena
but 1:5 AA/adena prices ... wow...
but if u got patience (which most ppl dont have, thats why
the adena-selling-market grwos with every day) u can make
a buy shop and try to buy at 3 adena (worked for me) or... (ofc)
hunt seal stones urself... if (here it comes) u find a free room
between the bots in all the catas
If you are real honest players... then set prices on forum... NORMAL prices and don't buy from bot shops at absurd amounts of adena... better start buying from clannies, allys, friends and eventually shout to look for another FAIR trade player. If there are still some jerks that pay 5 or 6 times the price for a single SoP then so be it, but you can do something about it ^^
Hey guys, don't say that all market is occupied by bots ... :(
I am not bot user, but activelly participate in market. Some knowledge allows me to live without lack of adena, or in other words fullfill most of main character equipment needs.
Yes, primary sources of adena/materials in most cases are bots, but you can't point to any sell shop and say that it is bot shop... :/
hmmm
could become difficult.
bone shapers in FotD spoil them
alpen kookabora on best farm do
alpen bandersnatchers on bestfarm spoil them pretty good
they all 60+
should be around 62-67
have been on beast farm quite a lot with my spoiler ;)
but i would suggest u try to get to A grade first
beast farm is no picknick after all :)
(depends if u have a buffer and/or healer with u maybe :) )
If you are real honest players... then set prices on forum... NORMAL prices and don't buy from bot shops at absurd amounts of adena... better start buying from clannies, allys, friends and eventually shout to look for another FAIR trade player. If there are still some jerks that pay 5 or 6 times the price for a single SoP then so be it, but you can do something about it ^^
BUY FOR REAL? BUY FROM REAL!!
Cya guys ^^
I'll buy Fair and sell unfairly, as will everyone else. This'll never work because people are greedy, and those do-good types that try to do this will be so few and far between they'll never be able to trade anything, and lose all their money doing it.
u cant seed SOP afaik its drop or spoil only that and because u need SOP for nearly everything (craft, dualizing, ...) the seller can just dictate the market for those... or - u go out and spoil them urself :) if u find a spot between the hordes of bots running that is
manor is f*** too because of walker buying seeds or handing in crops at exact reset time of the manor
S-Crys/ -Gems prices are equal to AA prices +/- a few adena
but 1:5 AA/adena prices ... wow...
but if u got patience (which most ppl dont have, thats why the adena-selling-market grwos with every day) u can make a buy shop and try to buy at 3 adena (worked for me) or... (ofc) hunt seal stones urself... if (here it comes) u find a free room between the bots in all the catas
(whats with the weird line breaks?)
I'm not sure if you can seed SoP directly (I'm pretty confident you CAN do it, But i'm not completely sure.)
What I do know is that you can seed for some of the higher grade mats that are made form SoP, like VoP and Mithril Alloy.
Nope, SoP isn't a manor product. Varnish of Purity is on a higher level seed, if I'm not wrong.
And that's why it's hard for normal people that don't have a spoiler (not everyone MUST have a spoiler or like leveling one) to acquire them. And duals need SoP's (Gods know why! I never understood that); Varnish of Purity needs SoP, varnish of purity is needed for a lot of crafting...
IT's pure math, really. Higher demand, less offer, people raise the price, other people that don't care about their money (Because their amount of adena is only limited by their credit card limit) buy them. People keep on overpricing it.
if SoP is the main problem in economy why dont NC just adds them to NPC for let's say 7k - 15k.
since its used on everything that way wont be a low supply and prople wont take advantage or that
Yeah, that's what I said before, DuKardai. SoP isn't seedable, which makes them somewhat "rare". Especially since the spoil rates are quite bad for anything under lvl 50-ish.
Well, part of the problem is the best mobs to get SOP's from are all near L80...and how many people have spoilers at or near those levels?
Tons of low/mid alts, but by the time you near A grade most people tend to play them less and less as alts. (Much less as mains.) Worst part is, SOP may become easier to get at those levels....but just about every other base material becomes almost non-existent from spoiling at that point. (All but 1 or 2 near useless ones.)
I'll buy Fair and sell unfairly, as will everyone else. This'll never work because people are greedy, and those do-good types that try to do this will be so few and far between they'll never be able to trade anything, and lose all their money doing it.
Ehmm... if all market is screwed up and no one is buying... let's say a 100kk item that actually worths 50kk (for instance), if you sell it at 50kk you will have profit... but if you sell it at 80kk you will still be selling it, gain more profit than originally planned, and force those bad-a-s-s shops to lower their prices. Do it as a direct trade or as store, you don't care who buys as long as the item is sold. So wether a legit player or a bot buys it, it will no longer be sold at those absurd prices. Same with mats.
About a previous response, I don't think all stores are botters... I have friends that usually have a char for selling stuff and are legit. They have fair prices as well. It just happens to be true that 99% of the overpriced items are farmed, crafted and sold by "suspicious violators".
Honstely, dont buy there, play the market not by watching prices over some external webpage which you don't even know is real or not. Be smarter and if the other guys try to rip ppl off, you can lower a little bit your prices and actually make a sell ^^
Romanec, lemme tell you what I've noticed. I see ppl selling some items for 15mil (for example) and I think: those are bott shps, I'll sell cheaper! And I do sell cheaper and then I begin to think about the same thing over and over again: why the hell I didn't sell it for 15kk? To save time? nah... I need money... and i don't care about time that much as long as I'm 10 hours a day at work.
So...basically...the market is down because of bots, not because of smth. else. There MUST be an exploit discovered or smth. because the prices have become waaaayyyy too high suddenly!
Anyway... when I started the game, Zaken +5 was selling for 300mil. Now, zaken +0 = 1.5kkk. Inflation....simply as that = maybe that's the answer (and not botts or exploits) ?
Romanec, you should specify whose quote that is on your post, cause you show as replying to me (probably using Quick Reply), but that's not my quote ;)
Market prices aren't set so I don't know why people keep saying "normal prices" and "not normal prices". "Normal" can only really be used to describe the fact that the market shifts, THAT is "normal". Also, more importantly, people don't seem to realize that on everything, except necessities (NEEDED goods), the buyers control the prices. Buyers can control the decrease in prices of sellers by not buying the items being sold, as long as people don't pay insane amounts for unneeded items the sellers will eventually lower prices because they're tired of not moving things. However, this could take quite some time, and it may also require active participation of an extremely large portion of the buyers market.
An item is worth what people will pay for it. If people pay 70k for 1 SoP then, to those people, it is worth 70k. To others it may only be worth 10k. Depends on your current level of need and how much you're willing to pay for it. To one person a BREZ might be worth 1.4M, to another it might be worth 4.1M.
EDIT:
Reading the post below mine made me realize I forgot something. Luxury item prices are "generally" controlled by the sellers, Boss Jewels are luxury items.
Emm, I wana zaken+5 for 300 mil. :)
I see 2 good things here:
- adena sellers having lose now: theirs adena value droping down
- adena buyers which had conserved adena stocks also having lose now.
Advice for normal players: don't keep yours adenas, buy something valuable what can be sold easily.
Unless NCsoft takes some real drastic measures Franz/Teon/Luna will end up needing to get wiped soon cause markets on all three servers are totally gone. Who cares about sop and crap when you see S sets/150 safe weapons selling ABOVE max shop price only. And seriously forget epics.
That's right I always use quick reply because it's more comfortable ^^ but well, I'd define a "normal" price like this:
- Take for example a Homu from shop... it worths 5kk (not real ofc) and then sell it to that very same NPC and he will buy it for, let's say 2.5kk. Well, the average price between buy and sell seems normal to me. So 3.75kk for that item would be a normal price... Then you can play this price for buy or sale.
Ofc, what happens with Craft only items?? They are sold at the price each player wants, not actually a market based rule. There is no real market here, but a bunch of copycats that only copy the price, let me tell you why... because of farmers that sell adena and ppl who buy it ^^ it's really easy for them to buy at any price.
actually the way to get them to use M that really works is when you see someone thats actually live and not walker-shouting, reply with a shout of your own for WTB for +1 and use only one K. IMMEDIATELY you get reply, so set up the trade, insert the K and proceed to be reamed a new one. laugh hysterically if the player accepts the trade.
For all who actually pay real, continuous attention to the market, and I must be careful as I have not read all the postings here, nothing has changed. Every year at or around this time,(school is back in and the L2 population returns,)the market increases drastically as the renewed demand increases.(Common sense?) The opposite is true also, every July/August the demand decreases and so does the price. There are no bugs, no "exploits", nothing, its the way it always was and the way it always will be.....
In the US 1M is 1 million or 1,000,000. 1B is 1 Billion or 1,000,000,000.
However, I have heard in someone countries 1M is 1 Million BUT it's 1,000,000,000, equal to the US 1B. I'm not sure what the words are that are used to describe 1,000,000, I think it's actually Thousand Thousand, which is why many people say 1KK instead of 1M.
Well, in Italian there's milione (which is million = 1.000.000) and a similar written word, miliardo (which is billion = 1.000.000.000). But they're different words, just written similarly.
Not sure about the other countries. But KK isn't Million. Doesn't hurt to use m instead of kk. Kinda annoys me too.
ncsoft has to react fast oterwise it's to late.
i am screaming it since c2, gm's have to login more and see what's going on and listen for a change to players who love this game.
read l2 [censored] for a change
inflation is defined as an increase in money supply
Actually inflation is defined as increase in the price level of some bundle of goods. While increasing the money supply is one way to cause inflation it is not the only way to cause inflation. Decreasing the quantitiy of goods available while holding the moeny supply constant would also be another way to cause inflation.
I've been using 1k instead of 1000 and 1kk instead of 1M for a looong time now. And guys, look at YouTube videos, especially at Game promo ones. i.e. NBA 2k8, NFS2k8 - tons of ppl using "k" for 1000. And those ppl are Americans. So....I think you should get use to it.
P.S. When I asked "why use 'k' for 1000?" my friend told me "it's a thieves' cant, and the letter "k" stand for Girl's name KATE!" And in my country, prisoners and hoboes and many uneducated and so on ppl are using this phrase: "hey man, let's steal 2 Kates from Mr. XXX?" . I don't think it has smth incomon with Chinese lang. or smth. Because When I was playing C2 and didn't even know about bots and Official server - we already used "wts sop 10k each" phrases....
Actually inflation is defined as increase in the price level of some bundle of goods. While increasing the money supply is one way to cause inflation it is not the only way to cause inflation. Decreasing the quantitiy of goods available while holding the moeny supply constant would also be another way to cause inflation.
Nope, lack of goods is deficit. But result is same (prices goes up), just reason different.
And about KKK usage. M and B usage can make some misunderstandance (like italian said M is milion or miliard).
1k - 1 thousand
1kk - 1 thousand of thousands
1kkk - 1 thousand of thousand of thousands
realy easy ... :)
Market already regulating itself.
Cry S prices got down from 175k to ~ 160k
Easy to find AA for 6a (price was 7+ before)
SOP price droped to 33k (from 70k) and wil go down even more. I see dwarfs sitting with 18k unsold SOP or similar.
MH price still 100k, but looks like nobody buy it. 3k+ MH in sell shops.
metric system owns americans
guess it's why they stuck to imperial system with other fine countries like burma and liberia
guess i better not piss them off or they with drop a 20 kilo ton nuke on my country though :P
guess i better not piss them off or they with drop a 20 kilo ton nuke on my country though :P
OT: A 20 kt air-detonated nuclear warhead has a damage radius of about 5km. That's about 80 km² directly affected. What country are you living in to fear such a small bomb, San Marino? :)
guess i better not piss them off or they with drop a 20 kilo ton nuke on my country though :P
OT: A 20 kt air-detonated nuclear warhead has a damage radius of about 5km. That's about 80 km² directly affected. What country are you living in to fear such a small bomb, San Marino? :)
Actually a bomb in San Marino would directly affect me in Rome.
Better not!
And completely off-topic but I kinda lost interest in this topic anyway :)
hahaha, L2 is finally doomed! glad to hear this, just deleted yesterday all my chars. I'm sick of bots and too much $$ is in the game... waiting for aion, will bring some changes :)
AION must've been released what... like 2 years ago already? no? I remember watching demos of the game 2 years ago! So.... am I missing smth?????
And about the nuke. The people you REALLY sholdn't mess with are russians. They have 150 nukes ready to launch at any time, and potential (materials) to produce 400+ more in a week.... So... Ashley, don't be affraid of a single nuke, be affraid of the big potential which might come from Russia.... which eventually will resolve into *boom-bum-boom-goodbye, any country (or half of the world maybe?)* ;)