Baning 10 accounts is nice but it doesnt solve anything ... all were replaced within hours and many many more billion flood the Euro Servers. Fix the bug maybe?
Yeah this is not a "discussion", I m sure users have wonderful theories about the price of SOP and the position of Jupiter and Venus that explain why the Euro Servers got flooded with adena one week after Gracia launched. But that's not the issue here.
For those too low / not in euro servers, list below is prices before/after the bug
S Weapon 250m -> 500 m
S Armor 300m -> 1b
S Armor peripherals (gl/b/helm) 80m -> 300m
Zaken 800m -> 2b
Ant Queen 1.2b -> 3b+++
STG13 Crystal 150m -> 350m
And the problem isnt the prices, the problem is specific people buy like hotcakes at any price ... clan dwarf that sold 4 drac armors at 1.1b each within 20 minutes to the same lvl 1 dwarf already quit :S
AQ & Zaken are a Supply and Demand thing. Larger pop servers, they will always be more expensive, that's something that shouldn't be fixed. Crystals fall into the same category.
lol i posted to the support, a link to get a free bot software. answer was so stupid that i sent GM to hell. support = GM IG = nobody.
Giving out free bot software is not something they can do anything about.
Posting a link to them what kind of "duping program" they are using can make them stop the program.
AQ & Zaken are a Supply and Demand thing. Larger pop servers, they will always be more expensive, that's something that shouldn't be fixed. Crystals fall into the same category.
Supply & Demand Meng!
Crystals need to have a fixed price because those are needed to actually play the game (shots). Try living without food and then tell me it should be regulated to supply and demand even if this means you can't eat for the week.
Also he is making the case that a price doubling in a short time is not supply and demand as neither the supply nor the demand ever increased due to player numbers being fixed and number of times you can kill the raid bosses per week also being fixed. Furthermore, the demand for boss jewels is actually slowly decreasing as these are subcategory of durable goods in a population that is fixed, they last for a long time after purchase (barring overenchanting) and you only really need one per account.
One could even go so far as to intuitively show that the amount of mats, adena drops and what have you all come to some average number per week as the same number of players hunt the same mobs for the same averaged time periods. Thus the actual price of an item should remain relatively fixed once a chronicle has aged and changes to item drop rates, hunting grounds and crafting have all sunk had a chance to be diffused and normalized.
i dont know wether its a game exploit or adena sellers dropped the prices of their services. fact is that a huge amount of adena suddenly is on the market and people are able to pay the extremly increased prices. so the question that arises "from where all this money came from?" has a absolutely good reason.
Try Explaining AA increase x2 rate on Teon, when ALL high lvl cats are full of bots. Only thing that since Adena price has fallen 1/2 and bots need to make income for living.
This change is too small to be explained by uncontrolled duping.
there's hardly any clean S weps hitting the market tbh ... if you want a better indication, drac focus /AM acumen no enchants no stones go for around a billion
Try Explaining AA increase x2 rate on Teon, when ALL high lvl cats are full of bots. Only thing that since Adena price has fallen 1/2 and bots need to make income for living.
Why U don't kill a bots?
Everybody are scarred when have pk over head... ppl pls have ballls I always have free room in cata ;)
i kill bots in cata but when your pk counter go up
everyday you soon get bored of repent your sin quest.
also you kill them,
5 minutes they are back same place same crew,
once i killed a dwarf in eva's garden,
it was so **** automated that when i killed him,
he went to village,make all the road to first floor
of the garden and start back to farm my mobs,
kill again and he come again,
after 5 kills i got tired.... >.<
drac shafts 11m/120 for sale in one shop alone AM heads 9m 67 for sale in that same shop :p
And that's where the most of your price hike for clean S grade is. Shouldn't the recipe prices also have jumped for as much if it were because of duping?
Problem is, if people are paying these stupid high prices... then they are going to remain high. Who is telling people to go pay 11mil for shaft? It tends to be people that let farmers control them... They want 11mil for shaft, someone is impatient and goes and acquires a sum of a adena to pay that higher price. Win-Win for the farmer. It's the community everyone has to blame, and them paying stupid prices for crap.
drac shafts 11m/120 for sale in one shop alone AM heads 9m 67 for sale in that same shop :p
And that's where the most of your price hike for clean S grade is. Shouldn't the recipe prices also have jumped for as much if it were because of duping?
I am not quite sure but I think 25-40kk for S grade recipes are a sign that their prices increased as well :eek: .. before CT 2.1 I saw these recipes for 10 to max 15kk on Franz.
I still try to sell my stuff at old prices and get rid of them pretty fast, but since the majority adapts these freaking high prices I don't make any profit .. I even loose money :S
Ok.. like after every maintenance I just walked around Giran (In Franz) and prices increased again... SEALED Draconic Leather Armor (not even SET) is on sale now for 1.1 - 1.2 billion adena....
PLEASE NCSOFT, take any action against that adena problem.. it totally ruins the market, don't close your eyes and if you don't believe what players write here then just log into the servers and take a look on your own.
Frankly, it's a player controlled market. NcSoft can Ban Botters, and Remove Ebayer's or whatever... That doesn't help anything. Point the fingers at the idiots who actually pay the stupid prices, and not the Company. NcSoft isn't responsible for maintaining a market.
but NCSoft is responsible for fixing bugs.. or you want to tell me that it's normal that so many people have from 1 day to the other billions of adena to spend ?
I can smell that some exploiting is going on here and there are enough rumours about it.. and every day that i log in and play a bit and see the prices raising I believe more and more that something is right about those rumours
but NCSoft is responsible for fixing bugs.. or you want to tell me that it's normal that so many people have from 1 day to the other billions of adena to spend ?
I can smell that some exploiting is going on here and there are enough rumours about it.. and every day that i log in and play a bit and see the prices raising I believe more and more that something is right about those rumours
I have yet to see or hear of anyone using such an Exploit on Phoenix. So there may be an explait, although I have never seen or heard of it other than these threads, or there is a large amount of people who are giving in to your servers stupid prices, and buying the adena.
how about yo go farm your own mats and recs and mats, craft one and make a lot of cash ?
Spud, Spud, Spud--you are missing the point here my young friend.
What this post 'really' means is "I ebayed x amount of adena cause that was the price of gear-Y and the ****ed price went up so now I can't afford it----so SOMETHING needs to be done!!!" (lmao)
The point of L2 is, the players who have botted their way to the 'top' can't be bothered with mundane things like spoiling a recipe, manoring base mats, and finding a crafter! What the hell is wrong with you, man?
They are seiging and doing Oly and running around being UBER--they don't have TIME for all that nonsense.
For those players the market should be STABLE and CHEAP so nothing interferes with their uberdom and no TIME is required for them to do things the right way!
"If reasonable ebaying won't get me the FTW gear--then something is wrong, dammit!"
Let's be honest here Spuddie, 80-90% of the players in this game couldn't conjure up a top A-grade weapon if their life depended on it. They absolutely have no clue as to the first thing to do to get what they want/need---other than buy the adena and then buy the weapon ready-made from someone else.
Next you'll hear "S-grade weapons should be sold in Giran shop!!!! Along with S-shots, S-armors, S-jewels!!!! It's not FAIR that I have to pay player prices for what I need!!!!"
Cheaters need stuff GIVEN to them, Spuddie. They don't actually know how to play this game (lol).
I've never crafted anything but shots but I've still managed to make well over 100m on my own. Pretty simple really, even more simple now that low grade (D/C) are in npc shops, not to mention common items. Get a dwarf to 49 and make and sell b-shots for a while, and hope in the mean time you get a really good drop (like I once dropped a Top 64 LS and sold it for 60M).
I generally don't bother trying to sell stuff that isn't worth 1m+, no point. To nickel and dime it isn't worth the effort or time. When you can craft S-shots you can easily make several hundred mil a month if you're willing to put forth the effort. A 62 WS with NO recharger should be able to rely on a 15-30m a day profit, after 30 days you're looking at 450m-900m. Ok, sure, you have to get to the point where you can do that first. But getting a WS to 49 is so easy it's rediculous. When I was doing BSS I was making 3m-6m a day. After 30 days, that's 90m+.
I won't craft/manor/spoil because it's just boring to me. By craft I meant weapons/armor. I make and sell shots and that's my main source of income, I find it boring however so I don't do it as much as I should, if I did I could easily have at least one noble plus a few hundred mil cash to spare.
I constantly see heroes shouting (Bartz) "wtb Drac Bow", OEd or not (I assume to OE and/or add element to it and sell for profit). If you've been playing for 4 years there is no reason for you to not have BILLIONS to work with on a daily basis, even after just 1 year you could have earned well over 1B. If I weren't afraid to OE I could probably have Billions to work with.
I agree with pretty much all of what DrakkosIV says. I spend a lot of time myself doing Oly and things like that, and I'll be honest, when I say "I need a SoM"... I don't think, start seeding. I think should I craft it with current mats + whatever I can find in Giran, or just straight buy it?
I was fortunate enough to be able to do this, while not having to buy money, but it wasn't that easy. New players that hit 76 and get S grade make me sick... because I'll be honest, very VERY few people can do that. I didn't get an AM until I was 79, I didn't get a SoM until 74... things are not easy to get in this game.
Sadly, prices going up doesn't hurt them, it hurts the legit players. Now items are THAT much harder to get (think about S grade weapons parts... they are impossible to get for some people), and the people that bought money... are just going to buy more.
this is actually a normal situation. The older the game - even more money are being involved. So, prices go up up up. The only problem for this is NEW players! And as I think it is now impossible to start as a new player. Yeah, well, you get common items, you get buffs till 61 - but what's then? You have NO BUFFS, [censored] "B" gear, NO MONEY to pay 300kk for (omg) only main body of "A" grade....etc. of course, you do join a clan.. they MIGHT help you in 2 months time (min) to get your "A" gear... then you have no money to pay for shots... no drops for you (normal ones) to sell in Giran - no way to collect tons of money te pay for your needs...ah it goes again! You turn out to be a lvl 61-76 for what? a year? Unless you e-bay, bot, cheat....
Sad :/
For those who would say: "in a good clan, they won't care about my gear they will always party me!" - and they'll treat you like as if you were a dog, not a human I will add. No gear = no clan. Long passed the time when a clan was actually working together to EARN smth. for YOU. So, eventually, a player might think: WTF? a year for becoming 76? Noo waaayyy I pay 100$ once get gear, get fast lvl and actually SAVE more money by e-baying than paying for TimeCards after all....
Problem is, if people are paying these stupid high prices... then they are going to remain high. Who is telling people to go pay 11mil for shaft?
Well, but isn't 11mil just a couple of buff rounds in Rift money room? And with better exp than in Varka/Ketra spoiling party (on group mobs that don't drop herbs).
woonaloow, I have started to play at begining of March of this year. No boting, no e-baying, even no help from friends (ok 500k adena loan for 2 weeks is nothing).
Today situation: main char is end of 6x. Top A gear, full augmented and etc. Account total value in adenas ~650mil - 1bill (hard to calculate because prices changes all the time) and growing.
I am casual player, which plays less than 10h per week. Only having some brains and wealth strategies.
Yes, maybe it is an option to pay moneys for fast level, but in that way you don't "feel" yours character, don't know how to use skills/abilities in best way.
Let's be honest here, 80-90% of the players in this game couldn't conjure up a top A-grade weapon if their life depended on it. They absolutely have no clue as to the first thing to do to get what they want/need---other than buy the adena and then buy the weapon ready-made from someone else.
Cheaters need stuff GIVEN to them, Spuddie. They don't actually know how to play this game (lol).
excatly drak,excatly!!!
they 'd be runnin around in d grade in their 7x... :)
drac shafts 11m/120 for sale in one shop alone AM heads 9m 67 for sale in that same shop :p
And that's where the most of your price hike for clean S grade is. Shouldn't the recipe prices also have jumped for as much if it were because of duping?
I am not quite sure but I think 25-40kk for S grade recipes are a sign that their prices increased as well :eek: .. before CT 2.1 I saw these recipes for 10 to max 15kk on Franz.
According to you-know-which-site, they are going for 18mil now, and they were going for 15mil pre-CT2. Where's that hike?
Who believes that site for prices? It's not live and it depends completely on people using this 'tool' to actually LOOK at the stores. I wouldn't imagine the people using this tool look at every store, every day - so those prices are an average of a very small sample.
I know. I did manipulate these prices with my shops in past as well. But if it shows that someone is selling a stock of AM recipes for 18 mil, it means that someone is indeed selling them for 18 mil, not for 25 and not for 40.
All who see an inflated and/or ridiculous price and then start selling at similar prices themselves do believe in that site :)
Example: Normal price is 2.5k, someone puts up 100k items for 5k, price starts showing as 5k and all the rest follow. Voila! We just had a 100% increase...
The main point is what Drak said: People don't care to do it the proper way, they don't have time to deal with such "trivial" matters. When prices increase, they just go and buy more adena.
Krissa if you do not believe me log into Franz and go to giran, yesterday I saw some DB and AM Recipes on sale for 35kk...
Anyways, I don't bother time with buying things because if I want something ingame then I work for it, I play since prelude Open Beta and know how to get stuff by farming mats, manoring etc - I am just pointing out that something VERY strange is going on with the market, and it's increasing every week. or you want to tell me that everything's perfectly normal when prices increased more than 200-300% in the last weeks ?
Example: When I crafted my Heaven Divider the Soulshots would go for 490-500 adena max, now they are on 640-680 max. S crystals on 180k adena, my weapon was worth, when i crafted it , around 200-250kk on the market.. when I see now people selling heaven divider clean for 550kk then you can tell me whatever you want but it's definitely something wrong.
the HD Focus was a max of 450kk when I crafted mine- back then I already asked myself who would spend so much adena, lol.
I leveled up soul crystals with my clan and made mine focus.. well now a simple HD Focus goes for 900kk.... how can you justify these increases ?
cause everyone bots ? cause everyone ebays ? Not even these 2 points justify a price increase in these dimensions
and if you read - you know what pages - you would know that there are rumours about russian adena dupes
I have seen the market from the beginning and increases like at the moment never really happened that extreme.. where does all the money come from to justify these price increases ?
Krissa if you do not believe me log into Franz and go to giran, yesterday I saw some DB and AM Recipes on sale for 35kk...
Yes, I trust you, there are people who try to push stuff for well inflated prices at the times there is no other sellshops on the market. And eventally there are people who buy...
However, if you aren't in hurry, you can still buy them @18 mil. Or less.
Anyways, I don't bother time with buying things because if I want something ingame then I work for it, I play since prelude Open Beta and know how to get stuff by farming mats, manoring etc - I am just pointing out that something VERY strange is going on with the market, and it's increasing every week. or you want to tell me that everything's perfectly normal when prices increased more than 200-300% in the last weeks?
Do the prices of life stones increase? Do the prices of enchant stones increase? Does it tell you anything?
I can say what it tells me. The highlevel population of your server moved from FoG/IT/Varka/Ketra to HB/IoP. That's it. That's where the adena is from. That's why the S-grade mats are expensive.
Live people are farming for S80 these days. S is left for bots.
and if you read - you know what pages - you would know that there are rumours about russian adena dupes
I read that Russian pages. And there is a rumor that the "adena dupes" rumor is intentionally spreaded by the big adena resellers in order to drop the prices they pay for adena to the smaller "adena source" farmers.
i dont know if there is adena dupe program and i dont think there is one, but what im sure of is many ppl believing it, downloading "adena dupe" (=keylogger) programs from questionable websites and boards and then getting scammed which makes me lmao!
i cant believe ppl are falling for it...
i dont know who made this rumor about adena duplication but what im pretty sure is that they are making huge money from it (and ofc i dont mean by duplicating...)
you can lvl to 75 in B grade w/o any problem at all plenty of people have done it in the past because thats all we had...
dont expect to have A grade at lvl 61 by farming your own mats and recipes... dont flat out buy your gear farm the recs farm the mats sell things and make crafting $... maybe join a group once in a while stead of soloing you can go places w/ a spoiler and get all the key weapon armor mats you need...
if you start playing today and want to buy S grade in 2 weeks i think you should have to pay the crazy prices anyone who knows how the game works can make $ from the ******s that need to have everything now and dont want to make it...
you can lvl to 75 in B grade w/o any problem at all plenty of people have done it in the past because thats all we had...
dont expect to have A grade at lvl 61 by farming your own mats and recipes... dont flat out buy your gear farm the recs farm the mats sell things and make crafting $... maybe join a group once in a while stead of soloing you can go places w/ a spoiler and get all the key weapon armor mats you need...
if you start playing today and want to buy S grade in 2 weeks i think you should have to pay the crazy prices anyone who knows how the game works can make $ from the ******s that need to have everything now and dont want to make it...
lol
mobs got a lot harder since then. as did wars and conflicts.
come up on some B graders in Disciples/dark omens with a war tag on. LOL as you kill them.
no way can you do that now a days. not given the introduction of the BEST grinding places in game like varkas, Hot springs, and hellbound.
even fully buffed A graders have problems in there.
we arent talking about wartags we are talkin about lvling... lair, toi, catas... if your worried about pvp i dont think cost should bother you. CP spam, quickheals, OE 150 element weapon, epics, spaming shots... if you think your gunna make $ w/ all that [censored] there is the problem right there.
being able to compete in pvp is based on adena... if you want to fight a guy thats been cheating your gonna have to (a) cheat (b) spend alot of time and effort working toward your goals in a cost effective manner...
there is very little pvp skill involved in this game it all come down to who has the lvls, the skillenchants, and gear/adena
ooh and i forgot strategy aka who has the most players on for ganking at any given time
Yes i am indeed a carebear but imo if your 75 or lower and worried about pvp at the stage of the game when the pvpers are endgame you are most likely to be driven to cheating because you wont be able to compete... "this is a pvp game" /agree but ppl play lineage and get into thier head that pvp is 100% of the game and thats why the topend gear is so expensive ppl dont want to work for it they want to spend all their time pvping then at the end of the week after all they have earned that week was pvp points and a negative adena count they want to buy somthing... well where is that adena gonna come from?
Yes i am indeed a carebear but imo if your 75 or lower and worried about pvp at the stage of the game when the pvpers are endgame you are most likely to be driven to cheating because you wont be able to compete..
You know, two weeks ago I was a level 62 Warsmith (in full A-grade), and I always had and will have a zero tolerance policy towards cheating ...
... and I conquered Gludio castle on Teon from my enemies.
So you simply have no idea what you're talking about when you talk about PvP.
Yes i am indeed a carebear but imo if your 75 or lower and worried about pvp at the stage of the game when the pvpers are endgame you are most likely to be driven to cheating because you wont be able to compete..
You know, two weeks ago I was a level 62 Warsmith (in full A-grade), and I always had and will have a zero tolerance policy towards cheating ...
... and I conquered Gludio castle on Teon from my enemies.
So you simply have no idea what you're talking about when you talk about PvP.
I've been playing for a dwarf for 3 years now, and maybe I got you wrong, but the point you are making can only mean that either you are a clan leader who gives orders and /hide somewhere till the very last moment, or your 'enemies' were TOP "B" grade tops. Because, when I'm at Siege field, I need only 4 casual arrows in my but before I go dead.
And as for PVP... well...what pvp are we talking about here? I can only pvp while on my sub, not on useless main....
(b) spend alot of time and effort working toward your goals in a cost effective manner...
if your not cheating this must be your option...
no offense but owning a lowbie castle isnt that amazing... i mean im glad your doing well for yourself and all but is your lvl 62 taking Aden ? or pvping and winning vs heros ??
i am refering to endgame content... is your WS your 1st toon? how long have you been playing lineage2 ? how long have you had your WS up and running ?
im curious i need some tips on game mechanics....
is your whole clan lvl 62 ? did you take gludio from other 62s in full A grade ? arent you worried about adena flooding the servers ? if not, why ?
all me being a know nothing carebear aside... i know what i know and regardless of what you say its not going to change
You know, two weeks ago I was a level 62 Warsmith (in full A-grade), and I always had and will have a zero tolerance policy towards cheating ...
... and I conquered Gludio castle on Teon from my enemies.
So you simply have no idea what you're talking about when you talk about PvP.
I've been playing for a dwarf for 3 years now, and maybe I got you wrong, but the point you are making can only mean that either you are a clan leader who gives orders and /hide somewhere till the very last moment, or your 'enemies' were TOP "B" grade tops. Because, when I'm at Siege field, I need only 4 casual arrows in my but before I go dead.
And as for PVP... well...what pvp are we talking about here? I can only pvp while on my sub, not on useless main....
I'm a clan leader. And no, I never hid anywhere, I was in the middle of our forces (some 130 people), and fought and died (quite a lot, which thanks to the self-rez with the new Charms of Courage doesn't mean much) with them there. Any my enemies are mostly Noblesse with quite deep pockets (right now detagged and botting up again).
That's L2's PvP. Not 1 vs. 1, but alliances vs. alliances. That's what the whole PvP in this game is balanced around. Everything else is meaningless time waster.
no offense but owning a lowbie castle isnt that amazing... i mean im glad your doing well for yourself and all but is your lvl 62 taking Aden ? or pvping and winning vs heros ??
Try to take a castle on Teon (which is the most populated of the servers, if you didn't notice yet). It took me just a few months of planning and politics to be in the position to do it. Then come back and tell me it's "not amazing".
PvPing against singular people doesn't matter much. It's not what the PvP in this game is balanced around.
Taking Aden ... would take a while to get there. But I have no intention to do it, so I'm not bothering.
i am refering to endgame content... is your WS your 1st toon? how long have you been playing lineage2 ? how long have you had your WS up and running ?
im curious i need some tips on game mechanics....
The Warsmith is my first (and highest-level) character, started almost 3 years ago. I suck at PvE. :)
is your whole clan lvl 62 ? did you take gludio from other 62s in full A grade ?
My whole clan consisted, at this moment, of ... me.
Of course, I had my allies. That's what politics is for. :)
My enemies were 90%+ botted up noblesse S-graders in S-grade equipment financed by their parent's credit cards.
arent you worried about adena flooding the servers ? if not, why ?
I'm not worrying, because I'll adapt and make my profit and help my friends either way.
on luna drac LA RECIPE costs 1b adena lol , pretty sure there's a bug or something
Considering when Draconic Rec's first appeared on most other servers, they weren't that far off that price. Luna is such a new server, how many people do you expect have Level 5 alliance in Varka/Ketra opposed to the other longer established servers?...
on luna drac LA RECIPE costs 1b adena lol , pretty sure there's a bug or something
Considering when Draconic Rec's first appeared on most other servers, they weren't that far off that price. Luna is such a new server, how many people do you expect have Level 5 alliance in Varka/Ketra opposed to the other longer established servers?...
If that includes bots.. I'd say 75% of the server...