bishop new pvp class!

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so...
yesterday i did some duel with a bishop.. just for fun... and the result was devasteting.. i lost 3 of 3 times..

me: sws, lvl 56, bw heavy, common item axe b, bo set
he: bishop, lvl 53, bw robe, wizard tear

he just needed to trance me then transform and nuke me down with his holy attacks.. (maybe if i had a bow it would have been better... but still)

i mean if even bishop, ee and se can kill a sws and i quess other classes as well.. what is wrong with the game?

there is no equilibrium whatsoever...

wana hear some opinions on it..
Bishops are to say the least ridiculus in pvp ;) i love watching a bishop who has a grasp of what there doing
1. there a huge target because they can keep rezing/healing
2. a proper bishop in group pvp wont transform unless you sleep/root/silence him hes next to impossible to kill with his heals+sleep

Healers arent paperweights in pvp mind you there not supposed to be heavy weights but im just gonna guess you were both self buffed? and you had no Health augment which would have helped. SwS is a bad fight vs a healer as you cant stop anything from running away ><
become 78+ learn passives for sleep and go gak the bishop!
we had both "newbie" buffs..

but i believe everybody should know his place..
a sws is an assist fighter and a bishop assistant mage (best healer and razer)

of course a bishop wouldnt transform at a siege or group pvp but on 1vs1 or 2vs2..?

then why cant sws and bd transform like the other heavy classes?

i always thought that sws isnt good at pvp but at least hard to kill..


he: bishop, lvl 53, bw robe, wizard tear

he just needed to trance me then transform and nuke me down with his holy attacks..



Please correct your story. Trance is a level 56 skill and you would have cancelled his sleep each time he used it.
hmm... i will ask my friend again what lvl he is... :p

he just needed to trance me once... then just nuke me down..

(he tranced me> then transformed> then nuke me> then me dead :P)
hmm... as a sws, never expect to win at pvp. Your one of the best group buffers for pvp. Your one of the worst dd classes.
IMO on my Bishop I'd just Trance, Root, and transform too. Little else you can do except SoE. Well, unless you have a very OE bow...
yeah, but isnt it weird?!

i think its not the way it should be... a healer killing a warrior..

why cant sws and bd transform like the other heavy classes aswell? or at least get the p def added from the shield... as we have also heavy armor mastery and are a heavy armor class...

yeah, but isnt it weird?!

i think its not the way it should be... a healer killing a warrior..

why cant sws and bd transform like the other heavy classes aswell? or at least get the p def added from the shield... as we have also heavy armor mastery and are a heavy armor class...



The reason the other classes got the transformation is for PVE not PVP they all sucked at PVE and you don't. However my improving they PVE that also up they PVP.

But even without Transformation at your Level your an Easy target. you lost now 2 a Bishop that will change at higher levels. ;)
but what becomes if everydoby can do everything? the game becomes like masched papatoes?

i can understand that buffers and healers need something to be able to solo... but why would TK or DA need it? a WC or OL lvl also slow..
Try playing a paladin the way he was 'designed to' before they included the transformation. Then ask why they need it.

A paladin has terrible patk, even with tats - most efficient in group with a nuker or archer. Now he can solo! Weeee

I solo anyway, with a pole. Not how paladins are supposed to level, but when in Rome.
Soloing in a MMORPG is so ... natural /irony off

PS: this is my yearly Irony Day :)
inquisitor mode is a MASS mp consumer. If he sleeps you you wake up the moment you get hit by his nukes (which never miss btw) so the strategy to beat them is to resist their nukes. If it's on a 1 on 1 pvp if you are a sws he has the advantage. However if you have holy resistance, and lots of gcp/qhp/elixirs, what you need to do is spam them as quick as possible when after the first hit, he cannot sleep you again while in inq mode, so his mana will run out too fast and then he will become an easy target (well, maybe as a sws it will still be hard to kill) but that's about it.

Think that a bishop in inq mode cannot trance, root, heal, rez or do anything else, he just can nuke/debuff and buff holy wpn.

inquisitor mode is a MASS mp consumer. If he sleeps you you wake up the moment you get hit by his nukes (which never miss btw) so the strategy to beat them is to resist their nukes. If it's on a 1 on 1 pvp if you are a sws he has the advantage. However if you have holy resistance, and lots of gcp/qhp/elixirs, what you need to do is spam them as quick as possible when after the first hit, he cannot sleep you again while in inq mode, so his mana will run out too fast and then he will become an easy target (well, maybe as a sws it will still be hard to kill) but that's about it.

Think that a bishop in inq mode cannot trance, root, heal, rez or do anything else, he just can nuke/debuff and buff holy wpn.



I have enough MP to nuke 40+ times in Inquisitor mode, so I'm afraid you are wrong about high mana use.

Just please don't make my class the new fotm!
Bishop = healer

However, when they transform, they move over to the offencive mage part of the pvp chart, and I dont see why a mage wouldnt be able to kill a warrior...

but what becomes if everydoby can do everything? the game becomes like masched papatoes?

i can understand that buffers and healers need something to be able to solo... but why would TK or DA need it? a WC or OL lvl also slow..




WC Levels slow if you have a Bad Set up.

My WC is 75 and still use BW Light Simply because it has best P defense in Light Armor, faster casting speed and it ++ WC already nice MP regen to the Point that I can put Soul Cry on the entire time I'm hunting and leave it on period. :D

Good PVE Set up (http://boards.lineage2.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1195027&Main=1088831#Pos t1195027)
sws is a tank not a warrior... according to NC
tbh i'm prolly more scared of a bish not transformed, sure they could prolly kill me transformed with 150 holy but as a bish the pvp would last hours ><

as a side note i gave my wc my tallum and HD and the thing was chopping through mobs like they were nothing.... much better than a bh would do

sws is a tank not a warrior... according to NC
tbh i'm prolly more scared of a bish not transformed, sure they could prolly kill me transformed with 150 holy but as a bish the pvp would last hours ><

as a side note i gave my wc my tallum and HD and the thing was chopping through mobs like they were nothing.... much better than a bh would do



SWS is a Bard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) (support class) that Sings nothing more. How can it be a Tank Class with no Armor mastery above 36.


sws is a tank not a warrior... according to NC
tbh i'm prolly more scared of a bish not transformed, sure they could prolly kill me transformed with 150 holy but as a bish the pvp would last hours ><

as a side note i gave my wc my tallum and HD and the thing was chopping through mobs like they were nothing.... much better than a bh would do



SWS is a Bard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) (support class) that Sings nothing more. How can it be a Tank Class with no Armor mastery above 36.



And How can I be an Atacking close-ranged warrior w/o any good offence skills and selfs? (a Dwarf)



sws is a tank not a warrior... according to NC
tbh i'm prolly more scared of a bish not transformed, sure they could prolly kill me transformed with 150 holy but as a bish the pvp would last hours ><

as a side note i gave my wc my tallum and HD and the thing was chopping through mobs like they were nothing.... much better than a bh would do



SWS is a Bard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) (support class) that Sings nothing more. How can it be a Tank Class with no Armor mastery above 36.



And How can I be an Atacking close-ranged warrior w/o any good offence skills and selfs? (a Dwarf)



We are suposed to hit the NPCs in town until they give us the sprit/soul ore for free :p



sws is a tank not a warrior... according to NC
tbh i'm prolly more scared of a bish not transformed, sure they could prolly kill me transformed with 150 holy but as a bish the pvp would last hours ><

as a side note i gave my wc my tallum and HD and the thing was chopping through mobs like they were nothing.... much better than a bh would do



SWS is a Bard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) (support class) that Sings nothing more. How can it be a Tank Class with no Armor mastery above 36.



And How can I be an Atacking close-ranged warrior w/o any good offence skills and selfs? (a Dwarf)



You have 2 Good offence skills

1. Fatal Strike

2. Bribe (I will crush your Common Items for you if you spare my Life today)
The Inquisitor mode is a fun thing for a Bishop.... to have a nuke that really does take care of business, and it is great in open Oly.

However, even in PvE (unless soloing to try and get some more sp or xp outside of the rift) it's impractical to use, at least for me. My peace makes a mob forget I'm there. My plussed up trance will put them to sleep. That's usually all I need. In PvP, again, unless 1v1, it is highly impractical, since your job is to heal and protect your party.

I think it's funny that the OP said "should know their place." Makes my female cells just ripple.
I remember when I was ~mid-40 on my sps sub (with emp3), I was able to kill my B grade SE (I think he was about 56 at that time with +3 BO set) in 4-5 nukes+surrender.

So... nukers (nukes) have always been overpowered. End of story :p
Duel is duel. Yes I can pwn a SpS (didn't try a MM, but I doubt Trance would land as often). Even a SpS isn't faster enough. Just Trance-Mana Burn (and heal yourself if necessary and Magical Backfire is great too), then transform and kill.
But that doesn't make sense to even think to PvP as an offensive part as a Bishop. Duels are particular, you can focus on one guy and chain trance till it lands (very fast casting). For each Trance that lands, you have a few second to think a bit more, analyze the situation and check if all is going well. You can see the MPs of the opponent in duels.
For warrior classes, below 76 that's the same : if you wipe their MPs, they can't really do bad for most (it's not the case for all classes).

In group PvP, as a Bishop you're pretty much Target #1 so if you try to land a Trance on anyone, you're down. If you transform, that means you have too many healers in your party and not enough DD, which condemn the party in most case. Ok you can nuke, but nuker classes aren't only about nukes. So it's not your role.




sws is a tank not a warrior... according to NC
tbh i'm prolly more scared of a bish not transformed, sure they could prolly kill me transformed with 150 holy but as a bish the pvp would last hours ><

as a side note i gave my wc my tallum and HD and the thing was chopping through mobs like they were nothing.... much better than a bh would do



SWS is a Bard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bard_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)) (support class) that Sings nothing more. How can it be a Tank Class with no Armor mastery above 36.



And How can I be an Atacking close-ranged warrior w/o any good offence skills and selfs? (a Dwarf)



You have 2 Good offence skills

1. Fatal Strike

2. Bribe (I will crush your Common Items for you if you spare my Life today)



1. Too weak
2. They usually say: "oh, shorty, that's really nice of you, but I have my own lvl 80 dorf-toon...oh.....waite a minute, did I say 80?, I meant seven-n-n-n....almost seventy...oh well...thanks for your kindness anyway, but STILL you are going to DIE soon" :p

2. They usually say: "oh, shorty, that's really nice of you, but I have my own lvl 80 dorf-toon...oh.....waite a minute, did I say 80?, I meant seven-n-n-n....almost seventy...oh well...thanks for your kindness anyway, but STILL you are going to DIE soon" :p



Wouldn't it be more like:

Dwarf: Wait!!
Attacker: /attacks (skills/ nukes whichever u like)
Dwarf: /dead
Attacker: o... what did u want to say again?
To OP: Bishop always was a PvP class, Inquisitor just makes them easier to PvE.
And when ppl flag on you for fun, just go Inquisitor on their [censored].

It's not like u cant give em a good rez after you pwn em.
Ya, but they get that warning, so they get prepared... >< spoils the fun!

so...
yesterday i did some duel with a bishop.. just for fun... and the result was devasteting.. i lost 3 of 3 times..

me: sws, lvl 56, bw heavy, common item axe b, bo set
he: bishop, lvl 53, bw robe, wizard tear

he just needed to trance me then transform and nuke me down with his holy attacks.. (maybe if i had a bow it would have been better... but still)

i mean if even bishop, ee and se can kill a sws and i quess other classes as well.. what is wrong with the game?

there is no equilibrium whatsoever...

wana hear some opinions on it..



bishop/ee/se are pretty much overpowered classes with gears. sws dont have chance to beat them anymore. i never expected to these update to see healer pwn in pvp /sigh