This is basically an opinionated thread one the rock paper scissor attribute of Lineage2 on the basis on each's characters predator and prey. As said it is opinionated based on facts and experience and of course logic.
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Archers>Nukers because Archers hit hard onto a mages weak defense and from the same distance a mage can reach. with the ability to stun and prevent mage responce and take swift death
dwarves have blunt masteries whcih gives them accuracy over dagger evasion. dwarves have a ton of hp to fight through those stabs, they have stun, bleed cure. and now fatal strike for damage and WS have golems to top it all off.
L2 is not really a 1v1 game so I don't know why all the debate???
Each class has its own strengths and weaknesses. In the end it comes down to how well the balance is of the group rather than any one individual.
L2 is not really a 1v1 game so I don't know why all the debate???
Each class has its own strengths and weaknesses. In the end it comes down to how well the balance is of the group rather than any one individual.
group dont mean much if your class suck against other classes.
in group pvp, they have OL/WC, BD, SWS and DD. most DD = dagger, archer, nuker, tyrant/duelist/titan. so it really boil down to 1v1 class specific skills and balancing.
a good group wont make a dwarf uber duper in pvp and can 1 shot you.
NUKER > all (very good chance)
Archer > all (good chance)
Dagger > ALL ( good chance)
Healer > all (with right gears good chance)
support class > all (well cant 1v1, so bring a friend.)
Knight (underpowered) > not all (mediocre, since DD all have better lucks skills)
summoner > all (good, pretty hard for any physical to kill them)
Warrior > all
NUKER > all (very good chance)
Archer > all (good chance)
Dagger > ALL ( good chance)
Healer > all (with right gears good chance)
support class > all (well cant 1v1, so bring a friend.)
Knight (underpowered) > not all (mediocre, since DD all have better lucks skills)
summoner > all (good, pretty hard for any physical to kill them)
Warrior > all
Not possible. If nuker>all this implies that nuker>archer and nuker>dagger and nuker>nuker which already isn't possible as nuker is part of all and it is not possible for a thing to be greater than itself while still being itself.
But to then say that archer>all implies that archer>mage which would be impossible if the first statement were true.
So you should say
C10 daggers>=all
dwarves<=all
etc.
etc.
Any class can kill any other class.
All depends on how well each person play their char.
But then again.
A few classes will win over certain other classes 90% of the time.
And its not all about classes either.
Feels more like Good equip > normal equip no matter what class..
why does anyone that HASN'T played a 76+ dwarf think that dwarfs can beat dagger classes so easely?
I have lost in most of my duels (it's still PvP) against a dagger class with the same buffs at around the same lvls.
TH (maybe the others to) has bluff and switch that cancels the target and also cancels the skills (stun). one bluff and backstab and I'm dead if it lands.
Any class can kill any other class.
All depends on how well each person play their char.
But then again.
A few classes will win over certain other classes 90% of the time.
And its not all about classes either.
Feels more like Good equip > normal equip no matter what class..
dorfs are kinda sorta better than daggers
of all the classes i fight they are one of my favorites but the fact they can 2 hit me with 50k pdef and 200k hp means they are one of the last classes i want to fight out in the open with pot spam since they can just pot away my damage until they get the winning bluff - backstab combo
O also mirage owns WS worse than BH
nukers > all
sure you can kill em with some backstabs or lucky archer crits and i especially like the ones who still use DC so when i land a stun they might be dead before it wears off but the DPS of a 79 mage is off the friggn chart unless you have fully attributed armor to resist their element and throwing up a bubble and gaining +300 pvp points in seconds is something no other class in game will ever be able to do unless it's a frenzied destroy standing in a corner while all his wartags run into pole range
buffers > dorfs
150 holy healer could prolly kill a dorf but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that i can't kill you and you can't kill me
if you are an EE or bish you might try and go toe to toe with a dorf and wear down my cp pot stack but there is nothing stopping you from running around in circles negating 99% of my damage while you ask politely on vent for one of your buddies to come and 2 hit the loldorf
also getting a bit sick of the tanks crying they suck in pvp
with a 150 weapon and full buffs it's not like they do crap damage and having watched a few tanks chain stun and root epic bosses leads me to think those skills might work every now and again in pvp....
buffers > dorfs
150 holy healer could prolly kill a dorf but at the end of the day it comes down to the fact that i can't kill you and you can't kill me
if you are an EE or bish you might try and go toe to toe with a dorf and wear down my cp pot stack but there is nothing stopping you from running around in circles negating 99% of my damage while you ask politely on vent for one of your buddies to come and 2 hit the loldorf
buffer != healer
buffers dont have transformation
and you can outpot any of my dmg supereasily, you can carry more cp pots, you win
buffer != healer
buffers dont have transformation
and you can outpot any of my dmg supereasily, you can carry more cp pots, you win
hard to say since PP and dorfs don't usually stand around beating on each other and 1 on 1 scenarios are kinda stupid but throw a PP in IC (or s80 i guess) and have them kite the dorf for 20 minuets.... which is the easiest thing in the world and then you get to fight fully buffed vs unbuffed
gonna be pretty hard to chew through a dorfs cp supply but if you run out first then you can always just hit return and laugh cause odds are you used 1/10th the cp pots :/
Kamael > dwarf
majestic + res shock makes em pretty resistant to our stun
Disarm = -25% our hp and no stun for 10 secs(what s grade dwarf gets a blunt without hp for pvp?)
They can stun us back
They can regenerate their hp to full from near 0
Their skills actually do dmg
Only 1 Can Stun and that's Zerker. Majestic is +50 stun Resist is only good on on classes with decent Con. Crap Con with Crap Stun Resist +50% is still Crap Stun Resist.
I can stun Kamaels in Majestic with my Level 35 Stun and my Blunt has Haste not HP (+10 AOBA with haste) :p
Only 1 Can Stun and that's Zerker. Majestic is +50 stun Resist is only good on on classes with decent Con. Crap Con with Crap Stun Resist +50% is still Crap Stun Resist.
I can stun Kamaels in Majestic with my Level 35 Stun and my Blunt has Haste not HP (+10 AOBA with haste) :p
Yep. I was just responding to SamanthaSmith in another thread telling her that Low CON Classes benefit muchless from these set bonuses as well as the buffs like Resist Shock than higher CON classes.
Alot of people are still in the mindset that those set bonuses means that you have a 1 in 2 chance to resist the stun, which is WAY off base for some classes, Lol. Probably True for Dwarves and Orc Fighters, though :P
@ woonaloow:
Did the AW have any Stun Resist epics on him or was it a sub with epics on him? That is indeed weird... Dark Elves stun so easily. Maybe the AW was +CON? Lol.
Im aware that the benefits of res stun are lesser with less con, but lets be honest i have 45 con and no stun res and a gladi with -11 con setup (no buffs)could stun me about 50% of the time whereas i could only get him 20-30%(we spent a half hr testin this crap and yes we had same lvl hammer crush and no epics etc only haste and zerk so we could do it as often as possible he wore maj and i wore IC) Con's determinate in stun res is pathetic.
I said Kamael not AW. And that's Weird I stun 76+ AW in Majestic with a 60+ Dwarf dam near every time.
gotta call bs on that one
it's pretty **** hard to stun someone in maj and full epics but even just maj on 6x toons has a good chance to resist my OE stun with zaken and stun pattack (if it does anything)
Alot of people are still in the mindset that those set bonuses means that you have a 1 in 2 chance to resist the stun, which is WAY off base for some classes, Lol. Probably True for Dwarves and Orc Fighters, though :P
I said Kamael not AW. And that's Weird I stun 76+ AW in Majestic with a 60+ Dwarf dam near every time.
gotta call bs on that one
it's pretty **** hard to stun someone in maj and full epics but even just maj on 6x toons has a good chance to resist my OE stun with zaken and stun pattack (if it does anything)
Alot of people are still in the mindset that those set bonuses means that you have a 1 in 2 chance to resist the stun, which is WAY off base for some classes, Lol. Probably True for Dwarves and Orc Fighters, though :P
lol
Call BS all you want it happens.... Come here so I can stun you then after I stun you......you can say "[censored] happens" :D
AshleyHunter: I'm kinda sick of you that you post in almost every thread about different classes about how good they are while you realy don't have a clue what is going on.
Sure you have a 4x-6x alt of that class, but that doesn't make you an expert.
How would you react if I came and told you how to play your WR or say thay you class is fine if there where any complains about the class when my only experience with that class is only 1 lvl (40-41 PW)?
AshleyHunter: I'm kinda sick of you that you post in almost every thread about different classes about how good they are while you realy don't have a clue what is going on.
Sure you have a 4x-6x alt of that class, but that doesn't make you an expert.
How would you react if I came and told you how to play your WR or say thay you class is fine if there where any complains about the class when my only experience with that class is only 1 lvl (40-41 PW)?
I play different High Level Players on PTS (and I'm always a WS on PTS and 1 other class I want try out) not just my 60+ Alts I'm no expert and never said I was I even always say I suck at PVP and I do.... with that said when 90% of the time I win a Fight with 1 class over another some thing says that class can't be as bad as it seams.
Also PVP in not just END Game. I do a lot more PVP at Mid range then I do with my 75+ Toons and I have 2 of them that are my mains. My 75+ Toons mostly PVP at arena and it's already been said that Arena is not the same.
If your sick of my post block it or Ignore it I'm not going stop posting till my account expires. I paid my $14.95 a month and have the right to Post or Troll as some call it all I want and you my friend can't stop me :p
I play on the PTS to, but playing on the PTS where everyone has the same equipment is not the same as what you will find on the live servers.
I don't PvP so I don't care that much about not being able to kill a PP or what ever, but in the olympiad I get rolled over by most of the classes. In one of the fights both I and my golem got one shooted by the AoE nuke that the final summon an ES gets...fun? balanced? I wouldn't call it that.
atm I have abandoned my WS because I have no skills what so ever to lvl for and as a WS I get picked last if there are many stronger DDs online or I get asked to go on my sub as a healer.
my clan mates are trying to suport me, but for me the WS is dead until NCSoft stops thinking that adding more stuff to the shops and remove some keymats from the drop/spoil table (CT2.3) will improve the economical advantage of the dwarfs that they said they would do in C5.
Oh and NCSoft NA REALY needs to give us the passive skill that makes things cheaper in the shop...why are they denying us that skill???
Well this post its kinda cool :P, i mean the only way to ever see hos skilled or not..., or see what class own **.., was if all pvp made was whit standart skillz and equal gear and course(no epic jewels), most of ppl that like to say theyr are good in pvp normally they have all skillz +++, gear +++, and course epic+++, thats funny id love to see most of ppl making pvp in same conditions i bet oly was a lot more funny :)!
The only setup that could be changed was tatoos and armor(sets)/weapons(sa) so ppl can play the chars in diferent ways!
Resuming im tank and i think its kinda hard to find such consence since a lvl 45 nuker/summoner can lose almost to every class, at lvl 79 its diferent !
To check this kinda of stuff its not so easy, tho i like always to surprise ppl that have fixed ideas ..., i did and still doing pvp against all odds and sometimes still win, i think thats the funny of L2 for me :)
Resuming even more, Wins ** is more rich(ingame/inreallife),** have lvl 81+ toon with ++ stuff that what l2 became nowdays and its sad!
I play on the PTS to, but playing on the PTS where everyone has the same equipment is not the same as what you will find on the live servers.
Which makes the Playing Ground more even no ebaying and buying Epics. Everyone don't have Epics. I don't and if your trying say one class better then the other base on epics then some one give me some because I'm not about ebay some.
Oh and NCSoft NA REALY needs to give us the passive skill that makes things cheaper in the shop...why are they denying us that skill???
Might be because then everyone would role a WS just for that then what would be Unique about it. Just about everyone in my clan no manner what Class has a Dwarf alt for making money and Crafting. I have 2 a 60+ BH and WS.
Might be because then everyone would role a WS just for that then what would be Unique about it. Just about everyone in my clan no manner what Class has a Dwarf alt for making money and Crafting. I have 2 a 60+ BH and WS.
Like what everyone is doing now with their alt dwarves is any different than dwarves getting that lvl 15 passive skill?
Thanks to all those alr dwarves the income for those with WS main is going downhill
Call BS all you want it happens.... Come here so I can stun you then after I stun you......you can say "[censored] happens"
honestly man don't you think i might have a better idea of how well dorf skills work?
i know i only have low lvl enchanted stuns (+1 armor +5 hammer +1 stun) but the fact that i struggle to land those on 6x daggers when i have boss jewels makes me think that your 6x dorf might not be so lucky to stun 7x toons in maj ><
Call BS all you want it happens.... Come here so I can stun you then after I stun you......you can say "[censored] happens"
I did not say that
honestly man don't you think i might have a better idea of how well dorf skills work?
i know i only have low lvl enchanted stuns (+1 armor +5 hammer +1 stun) but the fact that i struggle to land those on 6x daggers when i have boss jewels makes me think that your 6x dorf might not be so lucky to stun 7x toons in maj ><
Call BS all you want it happens.... Come here so I can stun you then after I stun you......you can say "[censored] happens"
honestly man don't you think i might have a better idea of how well dorf skills work?
i know i only have low lvl enchanted stuns (+1 armor +5 hammer +1 stun) but the fact that i struggle to land those on 6x daggers when i have boss jewels makes me think that your 6x dorf might not be so lucky to stun 7x toons in maj ><
My friend (78 GK) says pvp'ing SPS on 1v1 is the one class he consistently finds difficult.
Yea, Arch Mage has the best Melee Vortex but being one of the slowest classes in the game doesn't help them, especially seeing as how the way debuffs work in the game makes you wanna cry.
Tyrants are hard. SPS have the easiest time with melee characters. They run fastest, cast fastest, and have stackable slows that can make the fastest character run slow (Blizzard, Frost Bolt, Ice Vortex turns a Ferrari into a Pinto).