WS would win for he can carry alot more cp pots qhp, ss, crystals, so basically pot it out till the destroyer runs out of mp then it is just qa long dragged out fight till the destroyer finally runs out of pots and dies.
Any PVP questions which starts with the words: "who will win (put any class here) or ws?" - is 100% victory for (put any class here)!
I take same-level (both in game, gear and buff levels) nukers apart, actually. Almost every time. Daggers and summoners are a pain, but against everyone else, I have a chance. You might have confused that with a BH ...
Destro vs. WS (assuming all are fully geared for their level and PvP - and yes, this does mean the Dwarf has 1000+ GCP pots, that's what they get the passive skills for) will see the Destro winning most of the time, unless he does something colossally stupid (ignoring the summon would be). While their over-the-time average damage isn't all that much different, Destros have a ton of self-buffs and "oh sh...!" skills which they can bring to bear. Hit the correct ones at the right time, manage to not get stunned while doing so, and the Dwarf goes down.
Any PVP questions which starts with the words: "who will win (put any class here) or ws?" - is 100% victory for (put any class here)!
I take same-level (both in game, gear and buff levels) nukers apart, actually. Almost every time. Daggers and summoners are a pain, but against everyone else, I have a chance. You might have confused that with a BH ...
Destro vs. WS (assuming all are fully geared for their level and PvP - and yes, this does mean the Dwarf has 1000+ GCP pots, that's what they get the passive skills for) will see the Destro winning most of the time, unless he does something colossally stupid (ignoring the summon would be). While their over-the-time average damage isn't all that much different, Destros have a ton of self-buffs and "oh sh...!" skills which they can bring to bear. Hit the correct ones at the right time, manage to not get stunned while doing so, and the Dwarf goes down.
Man.. I'm not confusing with BH. I'm telling you an SE's running speed is the same as mine WITH +4 dex!!!!!! WTF??
Man.. I'm not confusing with BH. I'm telling you an SE's running speed is the same as mine WITH +4 dex!!!!!! WTF??
So the SE can ... run. And then? I can nuke him with my golem, good luck sleeping/rooting me (I'm wearing NM heavy, PvP version, so if he ever damages me, he might get a debuff slowing him down on himself as well if he tries to nuke), and he'll run out MP way before I'll run out CP pots.
that's not the point. My golem will hit him like 300dmg MAX?? I mean MAX.
And then what? He'll nuke me for 2-3k wearing "S" Robe and AM +150holy or whatever element is. My stun = zero land rate...soooooo who wins after all?
that's not the point. My golem will hit him like 300dmg MAX?? I mean MAX.
And then what? He'll nuke me for 2-3k wearing "S" Robe and AM +150holy or whatever element is. My stun = zero land rate...soooooo who wins after all?
You can buff your golem, you know? He then hits for significantly more, and nukes for easily above 1k even without critting. Your stuns (you have at least two of them - both can be enchanted, use it!) land against low-CON classes like SEs like there's no tomorrow, really. And you can always take out +Holy jewelery/IC set if the nukes hurt too much (though ... 2k to 3k? Against 15k+ CP+HP? Heh. Funny.).
Also, nuking, an SE will run out of MP in a very short amount of time.
that's not the point. My golem will hit him like 300dmg MAX?? I mean MAX.
And then what? He'll nuke me for 2-3k wearing "S" Robe and AM +150holy or whatever element is. My stun = zero land rate...soooooo who wins after all?
You can buff your golem, you know? He then hits for significantly more, and nukes for easily above 1k even without critting. Your stuns (you have at least two of them - both can be enchanted, use it!) land against low-CON classes like SEs like there's no tomorrow, really. And you can always take out +Holy jewelery/IC set if the nukes hurt too much (though ... 2k to 3k? Against 15k+ CP+HP? Heh. Funny.).
Also, nuking, an SE will run out of MP in a very short amount of time.
Oh man.... You don't know anything about dwarfs!
Ok.. 300 dmg is when the golem is full buffed (that's why I wrote the word MAX dmg.) wo, with my buffs it's like 150. I don't have 15k cp+hp (unless I'm wearing Apella and some HP blunt, which is obviosly a nonsense nowadays). Both my Stuns are +10 and landed ZERO times against Dark Elf Dagger 78+ in Draconic (not talking about "S" Robes).
No, I'm just ... playing one. And fighting nearly constant wars since some 2 years now with him. Healers/buffers are only annoying in how much time it takes to take them down (oh, and Erase ... :)).
you can't beat a SE that is properly equipped and is smart enough to run
i just throw them in with tanks, all other buffers and fellow dorfs as classes who i can't kill and they can't kill me
a SE with 150 holy would prolly own a dorf who didn't have holy resist, stun doesn't do crap against ppl with epics or arcana and they can easily out pot your damage
I don't know much about all the other classes but I have spent time in the arena tearing apart Destroyers & Tyrants my own level and even up to two levels higher than me... but I'm a BH and I've never played a WS.
Granted, this was when I was 67 and I even won one Destroyer who at the time was lvl 72. I haven't been to the arena in quite a while. Might be a good place for people to test this theory... but leave the **** ***gotry of CP pots out of it. I hate those things... worst thing ever added to L2 other than Walker.
you can't beat a SE that is properly equipped and is smart enough to run
i just throw them in with tanks, all other buffers and fellow dorfs as classes who i can't kill and they can't kill me
a SE with 150 holy would prolly own a dorf who didn't have holy resist, stun doesn't do crap against ppl with epics or arcana and they can easily out pot your damage
The interesting thing is that you're stacking the deck against the WS, and then telling us the under-equipped WS will lose against someone else. :)
First of all, the topic is "X vs. Y". That means running away won't win you this one. And running into safety (or SoEing out) means you lose the fight.
Second of all, a Dwarf is played by people who like to make money. That means he has both the means and the possibility to carry multiple sets of equipment, to be prepared for several possibilities. So, yes, if you give the SE a fully Holy weapon, you should assume the Dwarf will have a fully Holy resist equipment on as well. Because a Dwarf can afford that, that's what their classes are about, making money.
Third, the moment you give the SE epics, the Dwarf has them too. Again, same level of equipment. Arcana is just 50% stun resist too, come on ... I stunned people in that already, and they were 10+ levels above me too. :)
Fourth, the SE can't carry all that much CP pots. Yes, initially the damage can be out-potted. But then you run out of pots - long before the Dwarf does.
Same level of equipment. Both classes utilising their class-specific skills (and in the Dwarf's case, that includes the huge weight limit) to the fullest to win. That's a fair comparison, then.
Because a Dwarf can afford that, that's what their classes are about, making money.
where did you get that from?
all my adena doesn't come from my dwarf, but from my lvl 1 human fighter in Giran buying and selling stuff. Before I started to buy and sell stuff I couldn't even afford an a grade weapon when I was 75 because I was saving the adena for an IC set, now I have an IC set, but I still use a b grade weapon.
Now I make millions every night with that lvl 1 char compared to the 100-200k per night I made with my WS in craft mode.
Fourth, the SE can't carry all that much CP pots. Yes, initially the damage can be out-potted. But then you run out of pots - long before the Dwarf does.
Because a Dwarf can afford that, that's what their classes are about, making money.
where did you get that from?
Class description. Which leads people who like to play to become rich to play Dwarves, which leads to Dwarves being on average richter than other characters. A self-fulfilling prophecy, basically. :)
Fourth, the SE can't carry all that much CP pots. Yes, initially the damage can be out-potted. But then you run out of pots - long before the Dwarf does.
Dwarfs make money period. but to make lots of money you need both classes a WS and BH both need to be 55+ before you start to make real money.
With the introduction of Common Crap the Price on BW and DOOM have sky rocketed so just crafting the 2 keeps you in money. and with the HP bonus from OE Armor they are even more in demand.
BO jewelry is still a joke thou. Way 2 many mobs drop or spoil this crap.
can we please close this thread now? i'm a FS and even i can agree that none of the information here is useful. if gcps are used, yeah you may survive but there is no way a dorf is killing any heavy armor wielding class with ease, specially a destroyer (unless the opponent is a total noob or has no idea how to play their class). i'd rather save my 1000+ gcp pots then waste them on something that i know has a 99.99% chance to fail. better to use them in times of real need, mass pvp, sieges, where a dorf can be a real pain in the [censored]. that is where we are useful, all this 1v1 crap is total waste of time.
and lastly if gcps are NOT in the equation when doing 1v1, then please, might as well fake death before the fight starts.
can we please close this thread now? i'm a FS and even i can agree that none of the information here is useful. if gcps are used, yeah you may survive but there is no way a dorf is killing any heavy armor wielding class with ease, specially a destroyer (unless the opponent is a total noob or has no idea how to play their class). i'd rather save my 1000+ gcp pots then waste them on something that i know has a 99.99% chance to fail. better to use them in times of real need, mass pvp, sieges, where a dorf can be a real pain in the [censored]. that is where we are useful, all this 1v1 crap is total waste of time.
and lastly if gcps are NOT in the equation when doing 1v1, then please, might as well fake death before the fight starts.
Fourth, the SE can't carry all that much CP pots. Yes, initially the damage can be out-potted. But then you run out of pots - long before the Dwarf does.
The SE will just root you and nuke you to death.
Unlikely. We're not talking about a BH here. :)
Doesn't Erase with BSpS land on golem?
Do you summon the second golem so fast when windshackled?
I dunno... I took down CaptainGatsu a few times in the arena... he was in my clan... not a noob nor a botted toon. He was only one lvl above me at the time.
A couple days ago I took down a human of some sort with a cat & a two handed sword in a duel. Was in my hunting area so was prolly within my level range-ish. That was fun... it's not every day I win a duel.
This is a good topic to be hashed out in the arena. I think the OP should set a date & time and we can all go test different theories. Might be a small event-ish thing.
I dunno... I took down CaptainGatsu a few times in the arena... he was in my clan... not a noob nor a botted toon. He was only one lvl above me at the time.
A couple days ago I took down a human of some sort with a cat & a two handed sword in a duel. Was in my hunting area so was prolly within my level range-ish. That was fun... it's not every day I win a duel.
This is a good topic to be hashed out in the arena. I think the OP should set a date & time and we can all go test different theories. Might be a small event-ish thing.
that will be difficult, we are in different servers.