- Mats get rare
- Prices are higher to pay
- I have to lvl until 85/80/80...... in A grade.
I just want to play the game how it's supposed to be played.
No matter what the number of server will become.. I am sure it will become a much better place for all legit players that want to have fun IG.. and don't have to be worried about getting ganked/grieved by an uber-noob-bot.
Yes, same. There are so many clowns in game who bot up to high lvl and then pvp all day (i.e. killing random people and warring random clans just because they can), safe in the knowledge that they do not have to worry about xp - when they lose too much, they just detag and bot it up again. There is absolutely no point at all in fighting these people, they usually have higher levels, better equipment (via credit card) and the legit players lose more, because THEY have to work for their xp. If bots would get banned quickly and efficiently, these guys would have to xp "manually", and that would most likely mean they would lose interest in the game - simply because they could not pvp all the time anymore during the time they have to play, they would have to grind like everybody else. Idiots leaving -> better game for the rest.
I have a few friends who just got banned, different parties. Anyone else get hit?
i just talked to my farmer friend and he said that 3 out of 4 of his trains got banned
2 friends got banned this week, one of them IG
The 5 trains I know about, that got banned.. were running Paid IG and none sell adenas.
6 parties of X got hit.
I have a few friends who just got banned, different parties. Anyone else get hit?
i just talked to my farmer friend and he said that 3 out of 4 of his trains got banned
2 friends got banned this week, one of them IG
The 5 trains I know about, that got banned.. were running Paid IG and none sell adenas.
6 parties of X got hit.
Oh dear... :cool:
I feel so bad ;) Now maybe I can go back to Varkas and find a mob or two.
this was also done on Aria, DrSabre in full S80 armor with +16 S80 weapons was spotted on IOP banning bots but the people he was talking to (and didn't ban) are some of the biggest botters on the server so I guess all he did was banning people who had a bot prog running at the time he was there.. everyone turned off their walker/***** etc. when they heard what was happening..
in short good work but please keep it up server wide in invisible mode so the botters either stop botting or get banned
ps, I do not use third party software (not even the G9 macro's) so don't port away my live bishop when I just dropped a huge train on my aoe party as that was very close to party wipe if I didn't had cog him right back to us >.<
in short good work but please keep it up server wide in invisible mode so the botters either stop botting or get banned
Dont agree, showing that they are there and banning will perhaps make more people stop botting in fear of getting banned.
Keep banning and show they are there is nr:1 and I like it.
Most botters use bleh with an 'a'. The bannings are all over that and they're already crapping their panties. Hidden or visible, people will notice bannings and hopefully stop.
in short good work but please keep it up server wide in invisible mode so the botters either stop botting or get banned
Dont agree, showing that they are there and banning will perhaps make more people stop botting in fear of getting banned.
Keep banning and show they are there is nr:1 and I like it.
the thing is that when visible once the word gets out the botters turn off their 3rd prog, see my comment about well known botters talking freely with the gm in question and not being touched at all as they had it turned off, which is counter productive on the banhammer side but good for pr so let's compromise and say they need to do both :P
in short good work but please keep it up server wide in invisible mode so the botters either stop botting or get banned
Dont agree, showing that they are there and banning will perhaps make more people stop botting in fear of getting banned.
Keep banning and show they are there is nr:1 and I like it.
the thing is that when visible once the word gets out the botters turn off their 3rd prog, see my comment about well known botters talking freely with the gm in question and not being touched at all as they had it turned off, which is counter productive on the banhammer side but good for pr so let's compromise and say they need to do both :P
Well that either mean that they have to stop boting or he just get them when they are using it, either way I am happy.
The same thing happened after the last update, =spam= shows up and 'cleans' the servers in a matter of days.
So then for 2-3 months nothing is done... the smarter cheaters (and probably the most damaging) stop botting around updates.
It's just frustrating that so much is done at once, then nothing for months.
Will there be consistant banning from now on? or will spam just disapear again while we all watch bots slowly take over untill the next update comes around. I vote the latter.
The same thing happened after the last update, =spam= shows up and 'cleans' the servers in a matter of days.
So then for 2-3 months nothing is done... the smarter cheaters (and probably the most damaging) stop botting around updates.
It's just frustrating that so much is done at once, then nothing for months.
Will there be consistant banning from now on? or will spam just disapear again while we all watch bots slowly take over untill the next update comes around. I vote the latter.
in short good work but please keep it up server wide in invisible mode so the botters either stop botting or get banned
Dont agree, showing that they are there and banning will perhaps make more people stop botting in fear of getting banned.
Keep banning and show they are there is nr:1 and I like it.
Gonna need a SS of those +16 S80 weapons :) AFAIK there is not one single S80 weapon on any of the servers....
dont know what people talking about gm spam on pheonix cleaning iop. was there last night killing hte same 12 bot groups that have been there for weeks. if he was there, im afraid he has to go see an eye doctor, he could be blind.
dont know what people talking about gm spam on pheonix cleaning iop. was there last night killing hte same 12 bot groups that have been there for weeks. if he was there, im afraid he has to go see an eye doctor, he could be blind.
that was the point I was trying to get across as the moment ppl knew GM's were around they logged off etc. and once those were gone they're back at it.. aka yes there were GM's banning bots but only for an hour or so..
one last thing.i remeber in c3 or c4 we had a farmer/bot clan who was killing every rb in the game making impossible for ppl to make lvl 11 12 crystals for their weapons.Then lot of ppl on the forum cried about it."give the server back to the legit players and price of crystals lvl 11 12 and even materials will go down cause farmers wont control the market". when the GMs finaly banned them the legit players could now lvl their crystals and after 1 month you could see the players selling the crystals for 3x the normal price of what the farmers were selling them for,same for mats.If we legit players r the only ppl remaining on the server..we r [censored] up
- Mats get rare
- Prices are higher to pay
- I have to lvl until 85/80/80...... in A grade.
I just want to play the game how it's supposed to be played.
No matter what the number of server will become.. I am sure it will become a much better place for all legit players that want to have fun IG.. and don't have to be worried about getting ganked/grieved by an uber-noob-bot.
yeah. and i hate the fact that idiot noob boter think they are uber pvp players and calling people carebear when they botting to get exps LOL. i am at war with this botting clan and they talking about carebear LOL
It would be really nice to play on a balanced playing field ... I had actually cancelled my account a few days ago and changed my mind when I noticed the bots absense (and my GFs insistance that we keep playing) while I was sorting out some gear stuffs for friends.
Good Work Spam. Please Keep up the good work, I enjoy this game and would really like to keep playing it.
i give it 2 weeks before the same ppl who cried about bots come on the forum to cry about the high price of mats and gears.
wts 2k of enria 200k ea pm me
I just getting tired of this comment, its based on [censored]
Yea... :/ Ofc the price is gonna change dramatically when a bunch of bots get banned, their source of income went poof.
It will take time for the price to adjust itself; also if the bots are banned consistantly, the "RL" price for adena is gonna skyrocket and discourage ppl to buy them in long run.
In the end, there's gonna be a lot less adena in the system without bots than with bots.
The bots call us rolleplayers.. because we PVE to get to high lvl.. but they forget that they should do the same...
Even so.. 90% of the legit pvpers I know doesn't care if they lose xp.. botters.. whine when they get killed("please don't kill my bots").. and because they'll have to bot that lost % again.
So.. 1-0 to us.
Bots say we have no life.. and that we invest too much in the game. I say.. they pay for 3+ accounts, 3+ bot progrs time.. and they go into RMT to gear the bots.. 3 toons.. 3 times more money is needed.. 3 times more adena buying. While they're doing that... they're googling for adena sites and trying to crack walker, while we are with our family, or at the movies, or somewhere else, giving a much better use to the money we get from our work.
So.. 2-0 for us.
After 1 year.. bots recycle because.. and I quote "I'm not having fun in L2"... while some of us have been here since the OB and are still having fun.. and enjoying the new things that we are given.. while they load their bot prog and go play another game(IOW.. spend more RL money).
So 3-0 for us...
And in the end we go much more happier to work.. because we have something to relax when we get home.. while they spend all day worrying if they lost all their toons.
And they have the nerves to say.. that we're the stupid ones? I just say that the joke is on them.
What can I say? You've been on a roll lately Bee. You've been taking a very leading position in this little inquisition.
At this point I can only say I'm extremely happy with what I'm seeing, and I hope that it's not just a smoke screen or propaganda. That said, it's absolutely important this pressure keeps up on the cheaters and reverses the tide. I couldn't agree more with Bee on this, I'd rather have these people gone from the game than any potential damage the loss of bots can do.
Well.. I'm just trying to get all the info I can and send it to NCSoft, as I know that they also have an "Internal EULA". Even so, thank you for your words, Neru.
As long as I can provide them with information.. I will.. I can spare the time to ruin bots life... in the end I'll win either way. ^^
The bots call us rolleplayers.. because we PVE to get to high lvl.. but they forget that they should do the same...
Even so.. 90% of the legit pvpers I know doesn't care if they lose xp.. botters.. whine when they get killed("please don't kill my bots").. and because they'll have to bot that lost % again.
So.. 1-0 to us.
Bots say we have no life.. and that we invest too much in the game. I say.. they pay for 3+ accounts, 3+ bot progrs time.. and they go into RMT to gear the bots.. 3 toons.. 3 times more money is needed.. 3 times more adena buying. While they're doing that... they're googling for adena sites and trying to crack walker, while we are with our family, or at the movies, or somewhere else, giving a much better use to the money we get from our work.
So.. 2-0 for us.
After 1 year.. bots recycle because.. and I quote "I'm not having fun in L2"... while some of us have been here since the OB and are still having fun.. and enjoying the new things that we are given.. while they load their bot prog and go play another game(IOW.. spend more RL money).
So 3-0 for us...
And in the end we go much more happier to work.. because we have something to relax when we get home.. while they spend all day worrying if they lost all their toons.
And they have the nerves to say.. that we're the stupid ones? I just say that the joke is on them.
hmm, i remember one GM saying that making an actual appearance while doing bans and investigating is actually the slowest way to work and yields less results.
but it seems almost like doing it this way reminds ppl that there is GMs out there and just that stops them from botting or puts the fear into them about getting banned. strange imo that they didnt have it before.
Same as usual, the ban wave comes from time to time :).
I remember earlier this year when most catacombs and leveling places were simply devoid of bots, you could actually level with little frustration of bot trains.
Wonder how long this wave will last :).
And Insanity ? Hello ? I think you're miss-posted, another tab was the "other" site. Thanks :confused:.
Insanity, I feel so sorry that you can't see past the obvious... now try explaining what you mean by that. Do a small 100 word essay...
Well.. this isn't just another Ban Wave.. this is the GMs being proactive and helping.
Some people make me laugh.... they spend all the time crying for a GM... but when the GM appears.. they don't think that's for real.. and thing that the GM is only having fun.. and not helping the players.
I think that this type of "wave" as people call it.. is here to stay.. but we are noticing it now, because we never saw so much action before... In time we will consider it normal.
The bots call us rolleplayers.. because we PVE to get to high lvl.. but they forget that they should do the same...
Even so.. 90% of the legit pvpers I know doesn't care if they lose xp.. botters.. whine when they get killed("please don't kill my bots").. and because they'll have to bot that lost % again.
So.. 1-0 to us.
Bots say we have no life.. and that we invest too much in the game. I say.. they pay for 3+ accounts, 3+ bot progrs time.. and they go into RMT to gear the bots.. 3 toons.. 3 times more money is needed.. 3 times more adena buying. While they're doing that... they're googling for adena sites and trying to crack walker, while we are with our family, or at the movies, or somewhere else, giving a much better use to the money we get from our work.
So.. 2-0 for us.
After 1 year.. bots recycle because.. and I quote "I'm not having fun in L2"... while some of us have been here since the OB and are still having fun.. and enjoying the new things that we are given.. while they load their bot prog and go play another game(IOW.. spend more RL money).
So 3-0 for us...
And in the end we go much more happier to work.. because we have something to relax when we get home.. while they spend all day worrying if they lost all their toons.
And they have the nerves to say.. that we're the stupid ones? I just say that the joke is on them.
You're an idiot.
Did your bots got banned or something? QQ since you can't bot anymore....**** looser
It's about the servers are going back in the hands of the legit players, botters has terrorised us enough with theyr botted up lvl 80+ chars
May this be true? I mean..L2 withouts bots?! wow...cool cool....ok, now whats about those ebayers hm hm? When those will get "banned/punished"?
All in due times. First bots that damage the economy more than ebayers. Then they find a way to deal with the ebayers. ;)
the thing is, on pheonix.. the price for s and a grade is just stupid.. 200m for a tallum heavy set.. 500m for s weapon clean.. i mean wtf - how is anyone expected to buy anything?
I don't know if everybody else noticed but bots are QQing all over in other forums.. and getting afraid to bot... even the "pro" ones.
Apparently =SPAM= is on a rampage.. and cleaning servers.. so, I just wanted to say thank you to him!
SPAM doesn't go on a Rampage until people transfer to other servers after complaining to months about not being able to do anything in game and cancelling their accounts for months at a time cause you can't even find a mob to kill. This was the case on Bartz for quite a while, and I transferred because of it.
On Devianne, Annel has been botting her sub up for over a week in Shrine of Loyalty and I have been sending petitions in as well as using the bot reporting button, she is still alive, someone rezes her everytime I kill her. I have too many PKs, so I can't keep doing this without devoting all of my leveling time to Sin Eaters. I have been arguing with bot controllers who run Prophets to come rez their bots everytime I kill them (http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb280/UbahNecro/PKBots.png) for almost a week (well, at least one of them said "i'll move" and left)... 15+ Total PKs just to get bots out of a leveling area? Thanks, but no thanks.
This probably would have mattered more before NCSoft sold out to the botters.
There is a Kamael tUrEfOrM that I've been petitioning since he was on doing his Main Classes 3CC Quest. Now he is on working on his second sub's 3CC botting it up in Shrine of Loyalty. Oh, he came back after I was killing there for like 2 hours (cause everytime I hit a mob he was running at, he's run the other way and he was getting almost no mob kills) to tell me to stop KSing him and that he as doing a quest. LOL?
I have no faith in these horrible GMs.
EDIT: Yes, names and all. I care about as much as they do, at this point in time.
Trensharo is right, people reported repeatedly for botting and who are surely botting are let free to roam the game. I find it hard to believe that they can't do anything about it even if the bot program is untraceable, isn't common sense enough of a criteria?
Surely there's a way to conclude that someone is "botting" without physical proof (modified packets or whatnot) of such.
You report botters, but GMs check them "later". So if they check when walker is off, you can report all you want. Or the method to determine if it's a bot is a failure. Like maybe talking in pm. If they do that, it's obvious there are some bots they'll never ban.
I'm just wondering, if all the bot accounts go away, well... just how much of an effect will that have on NC's bottom line here in the NA market? Getting rid of the bots is great, less lag, leveling spots open up and all that, but, those are paying accounts and without them, how much does NC stand to lose financially and how much can they lose before this NA servers are no longer profitable?
I'd rather there were no bots at all, but, they are a large part of the fiscal life of this game in the real world.
I'm just wondering, if all the bot accounts go away, well... just how much of an effect will that have on NC's bottom line here in the NA market? Getting rid of the bots is great, less lag, leveling spots open up and all that, but, those are paying accounts and without them, how much does NC stand to lose financially and how much can they lose before this NA servers are no longer profitable?
I'd rather there were no bots at all, but, they are a large part of the fiscal life of this game in the real world.
They would lose some money first, but if there weren't any bots anymore, lots of people could come back (a lot of players came to L2 and quit because of bots) and the simple fact that L2 wouldn't suffer from that bot image could bring new players easierly.
There should be some restructuration, but as US/EU servers are extras for L2, it wouldn't be that important. Botters are way over exagerating the impact because they fear that NCsoft actually finds a way to get rid of them.
If NCsoft couldn't handle the financial loss for banning bots, they wouldn't ban anyone, they would even remove the anti account sale rules, and third party program would be allowed.
Thnak you =spam=
You doing GREAT job
Bots all over the internet crying
Thats make me happy :):D:D
Continue Your work :)
Yes, +1.
And for those crying about mats/items being too expensive. Add a Fortune Seeker to your group and go hunt up the items you are looking for. Isn't that an amazing concept! I srsly have to lol at the pro-botters that want to quickly point to mat price as a reason to not ban their trains. Just lol srsly.
I'm just wondering, if all the bot accounts go away, well... just how much of an effect will that have on NC's bottom line here in the NA market? Getting rid of the bots is great, less lag, leveling spots open up and all that, but, those are paying accounts and without them, how much does NC stand to lose financially and how much can they lose before this NA servers are no longer profitable?
I'd rather there were no bots at all, but, they are a large part of the fiscal life of this game in the real world.
NCSoft has many games so if L2 doesn't bring them a good income it doesn't bother them if another game gives them a huge income....it balances things up.
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People have been asking for something to be done and now it is!. There will always be some bots ,but the point is not as many and not as easy for them.
As for the market, well I played on Gustin when it had a low population , very few bots and cant remember throwing my toys out of the pram for lack of gear or mats. Maybe had to wait longer and plan more but not a major issue and mats did not cost as much as they do now.
I still see bot trains running around the same place for months too but this weekend I have also seen some go. Isn't that a better situation than none being banned at all?
If Lineage2 cant survive without bots then its not a very good game really is it? I think we know its a good game or why would we care or play it. Thanks Spam and I hope you continue.
Thnak you =spam=
You doing GREAT job
Bots all over the internet crying
Thats make me happy :):D:D
Continue Your work :)
Yes, +1.
And for those crying about mats/items being too expensive. Add a Fortune Seeker to your group and go hunt up the items you are looking for. Isn't that an amazing concept! I srsly have to lol at the pro-botters that want to quickly point to mat price as a reason to not ban their trains. Just lol srsly.
well, i rather have to buy cheap "botted" mats, because i can't be faster than "3rd party program users" on manor.
and for all people who think, that bots have no effect on current server economy, and without bots everything will be cheap and accessible to all, then you are just too naive. maybe most of you don't remember when hellbound update started - 14 days without a bots on server, price of mats 5-10 higher than now. and manor empty, because "3rd party program users" were not affected by update.
there are many thing that needs to be fixed, not just only banning bots, even it's a good step.
to flint, don't make me laugh with your hypocrite comments.
to others - i'm not saying don't ban bots. i'll be glad if they all will be gone, but there is other side of this act, and anybody who think, that this will not have any other impact than "free spots", is missing something ;o)
well i hope, that after successfull removing bots from the game, next successfull step will be removing "3rd party program users".
Yap bots = cheap mats.. But NC could solve that [censored] problem by adjusting manor or increasing droops! Like when you reach lvl 76 you have half of needed materials for your s grade weapon and so on...
I cant remember in which ''C*'' they [censored] up droops, because before that there was too much mats, so prices was low and even new players was able to buy what they want w/o too much effort.
Bots = cheap OE'd gear. Without them, you'd see a lot less of that, not because of the price of items, but because of the time needed to farm the needed materials.
And, seriously, this would affect only a very small portion of the population (namely those who need to compensate for something missing from their lifes with their in-game "achievements").
Bots = cheap OE'd gear. Without them, you'd see a lot less of that, not because of the price of items, but because of the time needed to farm the needed materials.
And, seriously, this would affect only a very small portion of the population (namely those who need to compensate for something missing from their lifes with their in-game "achievements").
I dont know what game you're playing, but I'm playing lineage2.
I dont know what game you're playing, but I'm playing lineage2.
I'm playing L2 too. I just know how a money sink based economy simulation (like the one in L2) works. :)
Basically: OE'ing destroys more materials (bound in crafted items) than adena. Thus, it drives the inflation (which in a money sink simulation is basically nearly equal to (value of money in circulation) / (value of crafted goods) ... ). Less materials and adena "spare" on the market, less OE'ing, less inflation, or in the best case even deflation.
I play Lineage 2 and I agree with Akjosch. The prices of mats wouldn't skyrocket. There would be less equipment for sale, less place for speculation (buy low/sell high), less craft just for sale and less OE. You would get your mats to craft your gear and stick with it.
And of course it would immediately point out the real problems of the game that bots are hiding. For example, low drops.
You're wrong again. There's no adena sink on crafting(unless you're crafting d/c/b grade lol) Less mats = 200-500% inflation. Do you understand that less farmers = less mats = higher mats prices. OE'ing gives us cheap crys! And new players wont be ablee to afford anything than b grade gear, because crafts with current mats prices are quite expensive.
I play Lineage 2 and I agree with Akjosch. The prices of mats wouldn't skyrocket. There would be less equipment for sale, less place for speculation (buy low/sell high), less craft just for sale and less OE. You would get your mats to craft your gear and stick with it.
And of course it would immediately point out the real problems of the game that bots are hiding. For example, low drops.
Jesus guys, have you smoked on your economy lessons? Or you're still in primary school?
SUPPLY AND DEMAND No farmers = short in supply and high on demand. Or you're so naive and thinking that demand will go down too?
No bots = Cheaper mats and items!!!!!!
With no bots there wont be anyone that buy adena.
Therefor there wont be anyone that can afford prices that are that high, or higher than now.
Like luna now. Clean S grade 1 billion.
How are people gonne get that money without people that ebay?
Everything will be at a price people can afford.
It will just take time before all the ebay'd adena will be gone.
When that happens EVERYTHING will be cheaper.
You're wrong again. There's no adena sink on crafting(unless you're crafting d/c/b grade lol) Less mats = 200-500% inflation. Do you understand that less farmers = less mats = higher mats prices. OE'ing gives us cheap crys! And new players wont be ablee to afford anything than b grade gear, because crafts with current mats prices are quite expensive.
try to craft s grade armor or weapon and fail 2-3 times...isn't that an adena sink?
yes less bots = less mats, but what you don't under stand is:
no bots = no adena sites = no ebayers = lower price on materials because no one will have 1-6billion adena to buy what every they put theyr eyes on.
atm there are many bots, but are the materials cheap? hell no
the materials was very cheap right before the server merges when NCSoft did a mass banning to free up some room for the legit players (or carebears as some uber botters call the non-botters).
I got my IC set before the merge for 650m...now I can sell it for 1.2-1.3billion. why? because many bots = cheap adena = more ebayers = higher prices.
Where do you see adena sink on crafting? You buy mats = you're trasfering adena to seller(NO SINK). My point was that NC should add such things as A/S gems to the shops(not mammon for AA which is farmed and sold, again not sink but transfer because adena stays in market) for price as they're now sold in giran. Because a lot of ppl crafting a/s grade and blowing it up, gems would be good way of sinking solid amount of adena. Again I could talk about l2 economy whole day how it could be improved to sink more adena.
But the fact is that if supply will go down prices will go up. And why mats prices are high? Because we're short in supply and high on demand because as I said there're no afficient adena sink w/o using shots.
More mats = lower prices = less ebuy because I can afford to buy mats. And I already said that NC should remake all droop tables that player could get enough materials while they lvling.
If your trying to ague economics for prices skyrocketing if no bots, you've forgotten a few key factors. the economic model for this game is based on an unlimited growth in the monetary supply hence hyper inflationary spikes are bound to hit. contract the money supply (IE no bots no adena buyers) and prices will fall (or if your theory holds true, no one will sell anything) until the new money supply (basic market, not adena buyers) has settled into a lower growth rate (so yes fewer larger items on the market, but a lesser base price) all this leads us to the new market equilibrium where, ideally, the market is again controlled by the buyers, not the sellars (sure you can try to sell CBP for 100k each, doesnt mean anyone will buy it vs go get some on their own)
If your trying to ague economics for prices skyrocketing if no bots, you've forgotten a few key factors. the economic model for this game is based on an unlimited growth in the monetary supply hence hyper inflationary spikes are bound to hit. contract the money supply (IE no bots no adena buyers) and prices will fall (or if your theory holds true, no one will sell anything) until the new money supply (basic market, not adena buyers) has settled into a lower growth rate (so yes fewer larger items on the market, but a lesser base price) all this leads us to the new market equilibrium where, ideally, the market is again controlled by the buyers, not the sellars (sure you can try to sell CBP for 100k each, doesnt mean anyone will buy it vs go get some on their own)
I dont think it's posible to prevent ebuy. It was in every game and it will be. Ppl will ebuy so we've to take this into consideration. And those ebuyers makes a demand because they have money(lol it's logical) and if we're short in supply prices will go up.
Agree this could work but just not in current l2, because there're too many adena.
i hate to mention this but the classic theory on supply and demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand) is really a crock of pot. the basic principles are that there is a supply (a number of items produced), and that there is a demand (a theoretical and emotional desire, the quantity of which is influenced by the price of an item). this is really not the way it works... demand influences prices (vegetarians wont buy hamburgers no matter how much they cost), and supply has nothing to do with demand (see linky (http://http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1246802/posts)). supply and demand ecenomics is tought in schools and colleges to confuse the general populace into thinking that the consumer is not in control. so, one has to wonder, who does this theory benefit? who would go out of their way to confuse these companies into thinking they are in control?
i hate to mention this but the classic theory on supply and demand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand) is really a crock of pot. the basic principles are that there is a supply (a number of items produced), and that there is a demand (a theoretical and emotional desire, the quantity of which is influenced by the price of an item). this is really not the way it works... demand influences prices (vegetarians wont buy hamburgers no matter how much they cost), and supply has nothing to do with demand (see linky (http://http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1246802/posts)). supply and demand ecenomics is tought in schools and colleges to confuse the general populace into thinking that the consumer is not in control. so, one has to wonder, who does this theory benefit? who would go out of their way to confuse these companies into thinking they are in control?
Not another conspiracy... Do you understand that if demand is high and supply is low supplier will rise the prices? This is not a theory, such things are happening even now when you're reading. Why do you think companies have market reseach facilities? At current stage of l2 demand could be very high because there're too many adena on the market.
Btw I dont understand your point of example, because in l2 every1 care about mats weapons shots armors prices..
well some people people have forgotten, that with all of updates there is realy fast way to level up to A-grade, and A-grade must be crafted.
on the other side - drops have not increased, manor don't give you more mats, drops from raids still sucks.
so, more people with A/S grade gear demand, but supply without bots will be (unexpectingly) shorter. so prices will what? of course increase.
and that's it.
well, i'll be glad to see all that QQing on forum, so then i can write "i told you" ;o)
For the legit player, i don't think the market would be any harder to play than it is now if prices went up/bots disapeared. The only people really effected would be ebayers who would have to ebay alot more for their uber items.
No bots/farmed items = legit players setting prices and benefiting instead of farmers = a more healthy economy. The 'ebaying' problem will always be there, but again the effects would overall be less damaging to the legit player base - less adena to buy, more expensive and less high level gear floating around to spend it on.
For the legit player, i don't think the market would be any harder to play than it is now if prices went up/bots disapeared. The only people really effected would be ebayers who would have to ebay alot more for their uber items.
No bots/farmed items = legit players setting prices and benefiting instead of farmers = a more healthy economy. The 'ebaying' problem will always be there, but again the effects would overall be less damaging to the legit player base - less adena to buy, more expensive and less high level gear floating around to spend it on.
Maybe it will be less ebuyers, but for hardcore ones it wount have too much effect, while legit players will have to suffer. Again I'm saying that we need efficient sink of adena.
how can the price be high without bots if no one will be able to afford it?
At those days server has a lot of adena, so even MA will cost 500k/1 end game players will buy it, but dont forget that players are crafting a grade too, and for new ones it's quite hard..
Btw I dont understand your point of example, because in l2 every1 care about mats weapons shots armors prices..
B graders and below have no need for aa, tyrants dont care about any weapon prices but fist weapons, and if you dont like mat prices, well thats what manor (and castles) is for. if you are complaining about aa/weapon/armor/mat prices, then you are not using your power as a consumer, which is to not demand.
Btw I dont understand your point of example, because in l2 every1 care about mats weapons shots armors prices..
B graders and below have no need for aa, tyrants dont care about any weapon prices but fist weapons, and if you dont like mat prices, well thats what manor (and castles) is for. if you are complaining about aa/weapon/armor/mat prices, then you are not using your power as a consumer, which is to not demand.
As I see you have no idea about l2 and economy. And you're right not we create demands our needs creats them.
As for adena sinks I think there are plenty in the game already. You certainly dont need to farm in areas that require shots and you can run instead of port. You can forget about augmenting several times over or not avail yourself of all those consumables like pots, bsoe, SP scrolls, recovery scrolls, brez, etc. Clans can skip siege HQ or CH buffs too. After they added the cubics, you can blow adena to get one more enchant or OE. Incidentally, I always thought that OEing was great way to control item glut since goods in the game are infinitely durable otherwise.
Sure all these things increase your potential to gain more over time, but theres nothing saying to have to use them.
As for farmers getting banned, I think there would be a problem in terms of supply at first. Less mats coming in and ppl competing for the smaller pool. Prices would go up but eventually the market would decide when the price is too high.
The problem with farmers tho is their no shot using, BD, SWS, BH, x3 DD, SE, PP, 24/7 activities not only bring in mats but they flood the market with adena for RMT. Once the adena is cut off ppl have to build their own cash reserves. Then the prices wouldn't go so high before reaching an equilibrium.
The mechanics to address supply are in the game. You can politik ur way to forming good clans or allies for raid drops, use the manor that isn't monopolized by automated toons, or do the unthinkable and level a BH. All that stuff requires a good server pop and an orientation towards resource gathering, which I'm afraid we're far from achieving since the game lost so many people over the years and so many ppl are all about pwning.
I do think the prices are gonna skyrocket at first after bots are banned, as people got the money and they want (demand) the products. It takes time for the market to calm down, when people starts to realise their spending > income (lesser ebayers paying ridiculous prices for items). Materials to craft needs to be spoiled or manored, instead of just sitting in town with alt to buy 100mil matz from farmers. Ofc, NC needs to change the drop/ spoil table as well after banning all the bots to assist in the demand/ necessary market.
If there's less bots, less people will ebay. Because the adena price will no longer be 1m/ $0.3 (don't remember the exact figure in those adena pms lol), but raise to like 1m/ $10 (random figure). A good example will be Luna's adena price at the beginning when the server started and now.
Jesus guys, have you smoked on your economy lessons? Or you're still in primary school?
SUPPLY AND DEMAND No farmers = short in supply and high on demand. Or you're so naive and thinking that demand will go down too?
This is so basic economy....
An MMO's economy doesn't - on a global scale - work on supply and demand. At least those aren't the driving forces. What is is the amount of "money" vs. the amount of stuff you can buy that money for. That's how a "money sink" simulation works.
Nothing to do with economic classes, everything with game design.
wow..... so many humans still here ...... hope that bot number decreases.
I play for half a year now(with my main) ..... and I have just reached the point where all the solo hunting grownds that are accesible to my level of skill and equipment are 90% full of bots. So if the GMs started butchering the bots I couldn't be happyer.
Keep it up and about what people say that prices will go sky high because the bots will dissapear, for me, on Teon have allready doubled since a little after gracia part 1 update. S grade weapons 500kk, lvl 12 cry 200kk, lvl 13 cry 300kk, A grade weapons between 120 and 350kk, top B grade 130kk.
I am glad I could get my A grade equip before this, still NO SA in weapon so .....yeah .... first get the botts out and than we will see.
in short good work but please keep it up server wide in invisible mode so the botters either stop botting or get banned
Dont agree, showing that they are there and banning will perhaps make more people stop botting in fear of getting banned.
Keep banning and show they are there is nr:1 and I like it.
Gonna need a SS of those +16 S80 weapons :) AFAIK there is not one single S80 weapon on any of the servers....
Civil a Soultaker on Franz has S80 Two Handed mage weapon.
My 2 cents.
Bots baning will not make prices hirocketing. It can be "wave" - up for short term and down.
For high demand affraiding peoples I can say - spoiler class are needed in party again! And another thing - bot free spots means that spot income goes directly to legit players not to bot owners.
And last thing - bots a guilty becuase of continuous inflation, because they can hunt in spot 24/7 actually without spending even single adena, and that created adena overhead.
My 2 cents.
Bots baning will not make prices hirocketing. It can be "wave" - up for short term and down.
For high demand affraiding peoples I can say - spoiler class are needed in party again! And another thing - bot free spots means that spot income goes directly to legit players not to bot owners.
And last thing - bots a guilty becuase of continuous inflation, because they can hunt in spot 24/7 actually without spending even single adena, and that created adena overhead.
Well I agrre on some points. And It would be great that NC would take some action of banning adena sellers.. Take most popular adena websites buy adena once -> track IP's and accounts -> ban them all. It's quite easy to do if you want. Especialy now than adena prices are quite low..
you people still don't understand that recovery of bot driver market will be very slow.
if there will all bots vanish in one day, price will skyrocket, regadless you think, then it will take weeks (but possibly few months), to return to acceptable price.
you still repeating "prices are high because ebayers" - no prices are high, because there is demand, e-bayers are might be 1/4 of buyers, but others are legit.
with all of current updates, people can save money that have previously paid for D/C/ even B gear, and buy a-grade. but which a-grade, if there will not be any?
even if legit BHs will return to server, there still wil be lack of materials, lack of recipes, lack of keys. now 4/5 of bhs are bots, and we buying mats,keys, etc. mostly from bot driven shops. so remove bots, even people return population of BH will be halved, their "grind time" will not be also 24/24 like bots, but maybe around 8/24.
but there still will be nearly same count of people, which will need Agrade and Sgrade.
i'm saying again, there are more things, that needs to be repaired, than just banning bots.
[quotefor example proof of fish, last time it was like 100 each, now it is 500 each.
that was before they made it harder for bots to fish. you used to see a line of bots at every shore in dwarven village and on ever small island fishing 24/7. I still see some in Giran fishing for 4-10 hours in a row and you can easely see from time to time that they aren't at the keyboard when they fish.
[quotefor example proof of fish, last time it was like 100 each, now it is 500 each.
that was before they made it harder for bots to fish. you used to see a line of bots at every shore in dwarven village and on ever small island fishing 24/7. I still see some in Giran fishing for 4-10 hours in a row and you can easely see from time to time that they aren't at the keyboard when they fish.
I want to know what means your sig about spam? Because I cant get it.
You guys, just don't know the outcome if all bots will be gone. Try to understand that all 78++ players in top allies aren't really affected by this, because they already grinding in Citadel/Hellbound where you can't bot. And exp/adena/drops there are far more better than other L2 places. Such ppl make money w/o botting.
Who will get hurt when bots will be gone? it's middle players that want something crafted/purchase crafted items. Why? Because tons of materials farmed by bots will vanish. Giran will be empty with few to none stupid ppl that will sell their mats.
While this will, ofc, normalize, it would be very hard to mid-players that get in this.
Just try to understand. NCsoft cannnot ban ppl for ebay. If, for instance, I farmed 20 divine stones and sold them to char A for 40kk each, how much I got? 800kk right? Can I sell it to fellow clanmember who are in need of adena? ofc I can. And noone can do a [censored], because I can always explain that I gave him these adenas. And since NCsoft don't have checks/payment transfers/ect they can't really proove that adena was ebayed.
Therefor Ebayed adena will always be available. low priced, high priced, but it will be. And prices just won't drop suddenly.
Even worse. If you try and discover Teon history, for instance, after every ban hammer, prices are always jumping x2, x3 because there is a server wide panic.
Anyway. Lets see what will come out of this.
At least it's good to see that NCsoft really attended to bots.(tho I wish they would fix Citadel teleporting bug first)...
you won't be playing manor, because of 3rd party program users.
after hellbound start, manor was empty even first two weeks i haven't seen any bot around.
only available seeds was lowlevel seeds, because bots were not arround. but keep dreaming.
hold it...so you are saying that no bots = no seeds and bots = seeds in the manor?
It doesn't make sence.
higher level seeds are bought partialy by bots, and partialy by players, players you can divide into players which uses 3rd party programs, and players which not (and they just got lucky)
lower level seeds are bough by bots and sometimes by players
no bots = lower level seeds in manor, while higher level seeds will be owned by 3rd party program users, and some lucky players
=spam= also known as HGMSpam is hitting hard on the bots and I hope he get them all.
Well actually I saw those screens but though that is some kind of joke made by bl ah users in l2 j server. I'm not playing at nights to meet spam :( But if this is rly true than spam owned a lot of botters :D
Who will get hurt when bots will be gone? it's middle players that want something crafted/purchase crafted items. Why? Because tons of materials farmed by bots will vanish. Giran will be empty with few to none stupid ppl that will sell their mats.
No real BH and WS and people in general can sell they matts. I have so much matts I mean a TON that I have been holding on 2 waiting for the day bots are gone and I can at last sell my matts with ease. do you know how many buy shops will pop up when bots are gone.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that has ton matts. I don't need craft anything I have all I need so I'm just waiting for the Buy shops.
TON bots on ARIA and everything at sky high prices. O yea Bots help the middle guys....wow you have no clue.
now with all the ban's prices on some things have dropped. Banning bots are a good thing only a supporter of bots thinks it's a bad thing. :p
Who will get hurt when bots will be gone? it's middle players that want something crafted/purchase crafted items. Why? Because tons of materials farmed by bots will vanish. Giran will be empty with few to none stupid ppl that will sell their mats.
While this will, ofc, normalize, it would be very hard to mid-players that get in this.
Bull [censored] because:
1. don't think that peoples are stupid. Mats prices goes high -> more peoples will go to spoil/manor because it is good business -> more mats to market -> prices normalize
2. yes it will be some repricing because now prices are not balanced. I know which items price can still increase in future ~50 times more, because now it is not evaluated. Bot some price will go down definetily, because nobody will pay so much adenas for it -> it can be much more proficient to gather these mats by yourself.
3. I see only one part of peoples which can be hurt - e-bayers, because adena price in RMT should go skyrocket. Is anybody ready to pay 100$ for SOM+3+acu?
I have played long time ago on none bot server (private one). It had active market on giran. I don't think it will be different here.
As you say "stupid ppl that will sell their mats", I definetelly will be one of these "stupid ppl". :) Not because I am stupid, but because I making profit of it, because I know a math and because I can buy allmost anything what I need for my level and I never e-bay... So, who is stupid.... ;)
You guys, just don't know the outcome if all bots will be gone. Try to understand that all 78++ players in top allies aren't really affected by this, because they already grinding in Citadel/Hellbound where you can't bot.
And at the same time, trains owned by them farm Varka/Ketra and catas.
And exp/adena/drops there are far more better than other L2 places. Such ppl make money w/o botting.
Hellbound does not drop AA. And enchant stones cost nothing if there is no money on the market to pay for them.
Who will get hurt when bots will be gone? it's middle players that want something crafted/purchase crafted items.
Nope. It's players from "PvP" clans, who does not invest personal time into the economy, preferring to rely on ebay or on their own bots.
Why? Because tons of materials farmed by bots will vanish. Giran will be empty with few to none stupid ppl that will sell their mats.
Giran won't be completely empty. There still be some buyshops oriented on newbies making their money, say, bu fishing. Most of the economy will be concentrated inside the clans, as it was intended form the beginning.
Just try to understand. NCsoft cannnot ban ppl for ebay.
They can, and it sometimes happens. They just too afraid to do it regularly.
If, for instance, I farmed 20 divine stones and sold them to char A for 40kk each, how much I got? 800kk right?
Good luck selling them for 40 mil each if there is no bots farming mats and AA (without using shots). 2-3 mil each would be much more realistic tag.
Can I sell it to fellow clanmember who are in need of adena? ofc I can.
If they want to buy it from you.
Even worse. If you try and discover Teon history, for instance, after every ban hammer, prices are always jumping x2, x3 because there is a server wide panic.
That's normal, this spike is caused by the same factors that cause inflation in the bot-driven economy: basically, it
s disbalance between adena sinks and mat sinks. After bots are banned, mat sinks work faster than adena sinks, causing inflation to accelerate rapidly. After players start farming mats by themselves (instead of relating on IRL bought adena to buy them ingame), they start to burn the ingame adena pool in order to obtain mats through farming, causing gradual deflation.
you won't be playing manor, because of 3rd party program users.
after hellbound start, manor was empty even first two weeks i haven't seen any bot around.
only available seeds was lowlevel seeds, because bots were not arround. but keep dreaming.
hold it...so you are saying that no bots = no seeds and bots = seeds in the manor?
It doesn't make sence.
higher level seeds are bought partialy by bots, and partialy by players, players you can divide into players which uses 3rd party programs, and players which not (and they just got lucky)
lower level seeds are bough by bots and sometimes by players
no bots = lower level seeds in manor, while higher level seeds will be owned by 3rd party program users, and some lucky players
clear now?
actually no
there will be less competition in the manor and legit players will have a greater chance at actually getting seeds (high and low lvls)
3rd party program users = bots = illegal = ban
so how can 3rd party program users controll the high lvl seeds if they are banned?
or don't you call 3rd party program users for botters?
or software that auto targets enemies, mobs, auto spam pots when HP/CP gets low, shows you an overview of everything around you (radar) etc etc etc for illegal?
I know that 90% of the PvP'ers use them...to bad they are also the ones that cries the most when they die because the program failed to spam pots fast enough.
You guys, just don't know the outcome if all bots will be gone. Try to understand that all 78++ players in top allies aren't really affected by this, because they already grinding in Citadel/Hellbound where you can't bot. And exp/adena/drops there are far more better than other L2 places. Such ppl make money w/o botting.
Who will get hurt when bots will be gone? it's middle players that want something crafted/purchase crafted items. Why? Because tons of materials farmed by bots will vanish. Giran will be empty with few to none stupid ppl that will sell their mats.
While this will, ofc, normalize, it would be very hard to mid-players that get in this.
Just try to understand. NCsoft cannnot ban ppl for ebay. If, for instance, I farmed 20 divine stones and sold them to char A for 40kk each, how much I got? 800kk right? Can I sell it to fellow clanmember who are in need of adena? ofc I can. And noone can do a [censored], because I can always explain that I gave him these adenas. And since NCsoft don't have checks/payment transfers/ect they can't really proove that adena was ebayed.
Therefor Ebayed adena will always be available. low priced, high priced, but it will be. And prices just won't drop suddenly.
Even worse. If you try and discover Teon history, for instance, after every ban hammer, prices are always jumping x2, x3 because there is a server wide panic.
Anyway. Lets see what will come out of this.
At least it's good to see that NCsoft really attended to bots.(tho I wish they would fix Citadel teleporting bug first)...
Many people here seem to view the typical player as just the buyer, the legit player is just as much the seller. In many ways I benefit from higher prices becuase i make more adena selling stuff. As for the bots providing mats argument, well i had picked up enough mats leveling 64-77 to supply 90% of the materials needed for my IC set.
I think a huge part of the problem with this whole discussion is we don't realize how hard L2 is suppose to be, most people in S-grade haven't earned it, and end game content is only there for people who have been playing a long time. I don't think the economy was designed to hold a large number of materials in the first place, it is supposed to take alot of effort and time to earn materials etc for crafts. Also don't forget that with less farmers/no bots, ebayers will be using their adena to buy from mostly legit players instead of adena farmers. The adena will mostly stay in the player base rather than in the RMT world.
i d rather have some "skyrocket" prices for a while (until tose player get it that no1 will buy at those prices)
than every single hunting spot bottet out.
and lol at the "u cant bot on hellbound" because i have seen a botgrp hunting at the scorpions.....
you won't be playing manor, because of 3rd party program users.
after hellbound start, manor was empty even first two weeks i haven't seen any bot around.
only available seeds was lowlevel seeds, because bots were not arround. but keep dreaming.
hold it...so you are saying that no bots = no seeds and bots = seeds in the manor?
It doesn't make sence.
higher level seeds are bought partialy by bots, and partialy by players, players you can divide into players which uses 3rd party programs, and players which not (and they just got lucky)
lower level seeds are bough by bots and sometimes by players
no bots = lower level seeds in manor, while higher level seeds will be owned by 3rd party program users, and some lucky players
clear now?
actually no
there will be less competition in the manor and legit players will have a greater chance at actually getting seeds (high and low lvls)
3rd party program users = bots = illegal = ban
so how can 3rd party program users controll the high lvl seeds if they are banned?
or don't you call 3rd party program users for botters?
or software that auto targets enemies, mobs, auto spam pots when HP/CP gets low, shows you an overview of everything around you (radar) etc etc etc for illegal?
I know that 90% of the PvP'ers use them...to bad they are also the ones that cries the most when they die because the program failed to spam pots fast enough.
if i want to say bot, or walker, i will say bot or walker.
3rd party programs i'm talking about can be for example l2aim, l2cp, l2phx, and many others - this will not get banned by bots mass ban, and will not be disabled just by "another update". they are still here and will be here.
if you don't know, what this programs doing, search on the internet.
might be, if there will be better protection than gameguard, we will get rid of this programs, and there will be real competition between players, not between bots, 3rd party programs and players, like it is now.
there are several spots on HB that one can easily bot.. the clan TeamJesus bots on HB with mains & alts to farm S80/wind/Divine stones on Aria server known fact and how can we report them when they auto log the moment we get in range ah nevermind as I can't even that as they made it so you can't report wartags..
anyways if the GM's mean serious business with the bannings they need to check all end game xp spots for bots as well the mid level ones aka all Cata/Necro's MOS Pagens ImpTomb HB IOP FOG LOA Varka/Ketra WOA & BS..
I play Lineage 2 and I agree with Akjosch. The prices of mats wouldn't skyrocket. There would be less equipment for sale, less place for speculation (buy low/sell high), less craft just for sale and less OE. You would get your mats to craft your gear and stick with it.
And of course it would immediately point out the real problems of the game that bots are hiding. For example, low drops.
Jesus guys, have you smoked on your economy lessons? Or you're still in primary school?
SUPPLY AND DEMAND No farmers = short in supply and high on demand. Or you're so naive and thinking that demand will go down too?
This is so basic economy....
Farmers don't really exist anymore. Most of the Mat's people see are from Manor's and such, but the age of farmers Died out a while ago.
there are several spots on HB that one can easily bot.. the clan TeamJesus bots on HB with mains & alts to farm S80/wind/Divine stones on Aria server known fact and how can we report them when they auto log the moment we get in range ah nevermind as I can't even that as they made it so you can't report wartags..
anyways if the GM's mean serious business with the bannings they need to check all end game xp spots for bots as well the mid level ones aka all Cata/Necro's MOS Pagens ImpTomb HB IOP FOG LOA Varka/Ketra WOA & BS..
this is where you pay neutrals to go report your wartags.
there are several spots on HB that one can easily bot.. the clan TeamJesus bots on HB with mains & alts to farm S80/wind/Divine stones on Aria server known fact and how can we report them when they auto log the moment we get in range ah nevermind as I can't even that as they made it so you can't report wartags..
anyways if the GM's mean serious business with the bannings they need to check all end game xp spots for bots as well the mid level ones aka all Cata/Necro's MOS Pagens ImpTomb HB IOP FOG LOA Varka/Ketra WOA & BS..
this is where you pay neutrals to go report your wartags.
there are several spots on HB that one can easily bot.. the clan TeamJesus bots on HB with mains & alts to farm S80/wind/Divine stones on Aria server known fact and how can we report them when they auto log the moment we get in range ah nevermind as I can't even that as they made it so you can't report wartags..
anyways if the GM's mean serious business with the bannings they need to check all end game xp spots for bots as well the mid level ones aka all Cata/Necro's MOS Pagens ImpTomb HB IOP FOG LOA Varka/Ketra WOA & BS..
this is where you pay neutrals to go report your wartags.
cmon lil more thinkin outside the box.
they could had payed my 2bil and I still couldn't had cared less and I sure wouldn't become non-neutral because some kids wants me to spy for them...I would had taken the adena and said thanks for the gift.
there are several spots on HB that one can easily bot.. the clan TeamJesus bots on HB with mains & alts to farm S80/wind/Divine stones on Aria server known fact and how can we report them when they auto log the moment we get in range ah nevermind as I can't even that as they made it so you can't report wartags..
anyways if the GM's mean serious business with the bannings they need to check all end game xp spots for bots as well the mid level ones aka all Cata/Necro's MOS Pagens ImpTomb HB IOP FOG LOA Varka/Ketra WOA & BS..
this is where you pay neutrals to go report your wartags.
cmon lil more thinkin outside the box.
they could had payed my 2bil and I still couldn't had cared less and I sure wouldn't become non-neutral because some kids wants me to spy for them...I would had taken the adena and said thanks for the gift.
Or when you're going to vote and some1 gives you some money to vote for one or another. Just take the money and vote for what you're going to ^^
banning all high lvl botting toon as their main is the way to go. (they would be furious LOL)
banning all the high lvl leecher in bot party as their main is the way to go.
banning all the bot party in high level spots is the way to go.
"this game have alot of reasons and incentives to be on top players. but cheating is not a way to get there."
I play Lineage 2 and I agree with Akjosch. The prices of mats wouldn't skyrocket. There would be less equipment for sale, less place for speculation (buy low/sell high), less craft just for sale and less OE. You would get your mats to craft your gear and stick with it.
And of course it would immediately point out the real problems of the game that bots are hiding. For example, low drops.
Jesus guys, have you smoked on your economy lessons? Or you're still in primary school?
SUPPLY AND DEMAND No farmers = short in supply and high on demand. Or you're so naive and thinking that demand will go down too?
This is so basic economy....
bump this,
less mats = higher prices, for you kids who missed it. personally i dont care one way or the other, ive seen farmers come and go, mats rise and fall like sun and day, but you are all praising a hero who has been absent for 4 years
edit: another person said it, it will be the mid lvl players affected by this the most,(end game high lvl players have to farm themselves in hellbound etc,) that is IF farmers are getting banned, its hard to tell, infact he could just be going to these high traffic areas just for publicity, i really havent seen a detrimental change in the amount of farmers in cata's and normal farmer spots etc.
you do realise that many of those bot trains are not around to bring mats to the market but rather the player controling them?
only mats that reaches the market from those are "unwanted" mats, and with the money they make from that they buy what they cant farm just to craft and OE their OWN stuff, so rather then helping the market they help inflate the prices on the market since they come with alot of adena to buy with but give almost nothing back, you might get some crystals but you should remember that when crashing stuff due to OE you get way less crystals back then if you crystalised it. also remember that the guy who does this is greedy and only intrested in his own gain so he will want to maximise his profits and tries to sell at highest prices he can.
ROFL. The tUrEfOrM guy that I was takling about on page 6 got banned.
I noticed Shrine doesn't have that many people in it tonight, but I moved anyways just in case any bots logged in (they have HUGE kill area and run to all sides to kill mobs when none available). Hot Springs Tents is better, since those bots outleveled that area.
you do realise that many of those bot trains are not around to bring mats to the market but rather the player controling them?
only mats that reaches the market from those are "unwanted" mats, and with the money they make from that they buy what they cant farm just to craft and OE their OWN stuff, so rather then helping the market they help inflate the prices on the market since they come with alot of adena to buy with but give almost nothing back, you might get some crystals but you should remember that when crashing stuff due to OE you get way less crystals back then if you crystalised it. also remember that the guy who does this is greedy and only intrested in his own gain so he will want to maximise his profits and tries to sell at highest prices he can.
But if only =spam= does this.. bots will start logging out at night(GMT), when =spam= is at work... .and logging in, when he isn't.
tbh, that wont help i think. its not just him that is GM out there.
i remember him (or some other NCsoft employe) saying that working like this is actually yielding the lowest amount of resuslts, all it really have done imo is to work as PR. by showing himself out there he reminds players that there acutally is GMs in this game and that ppl who are botting can/will eventually be banned.
Nothing prevents you from having 7 chars on your account.
Or almost 14(active) on both. ;)
Yes.. I play a lot of alts.. but that helps me getting money.. and get specific mats for gear.. and even shots for all my toons... therefore saving money.. and escaping the stupid market prices.
Nothing prevents you from having 7 chars on your account.
Or almost 14(active) on both. ;)
Yes.. I play a lot of alts.. but that helps me getting money.. and get specific mats for gear.. and even shots for all my toons... therefore saving money.. and escaping the stupid market prices.
Well, actually I don't really care about bots etc. etc... I have even better profit while they are gone and I can earn twice more. And hail to e-bayers! Thank you guys! Cause thanks to you I can still sell my stuff for highest prices ever!
Thank you guys! Cause thanks to you I can still sell my stuff for highest prices ever!
Dream on. People with lots of characters are self sufficient or almost, you won't make much money on them ;)
sometimes you earn much enough to not look at the prices. i.e. I don't care if I buy EWS for 100kk or 50kk. The moment I need - I go and buy it. Same happens when I sell some things the "self sufficient" players don't posses ATM, so they have to spend a few days for grinding\acquring or just pay 50mil more... Now, all pay... because basically, the more often you do so - the more often money are comming back to you ....
i remember him (or some other NCsoft employe) saying that working like this is actually yielding the lowest amount of resuslts, all it really have done imo is to work as PR. by showing himself out there he reminds players that there acutally is GMs in this game and that ppl who are botting can/will eventually be banned.
Me too. But I also remember him saying that you cannot trade your relics for your chosen S-grade recipe in 4 Goblets quest.
Anyway, how "efficient" the other ways NCsoft uses to ban bots are, they didn't seem to affect botting players on "the other forums" at all. At least now they are crying that some bans did really happen.
i remember him (or some other NCsoft employe) saying that working like this is actually yielding the lowest amount of resuslts, all it really have done imo is to work as PR. by showing himself out there he reminds players that there acutally is GMs in this game and that ppl who are botting can/will eventually be banned.
Me too. But I also remember him saying that you cannot trade your relics for your chosen S-grade recipe in 4 Goblets quest.
Anyway, how "efficient" the other ways NCsoft uses to ban bots are, they didn't seem to affect botting players on "the other forums" at all. At least now they are crying that some bans did really happen.
Maybe... but the 3 parties are still botting near me @ Devianne even after so called "bot banned" issue.
So let me put it this way: the ones you see here "crying" about bots getting banned and prices going up and not having mats fro crafting and all the other pathetic excuses are the ones that are boting. If you know the game very well as you all say, you will
have no problem making adena and mats. I've been playing the game for more than two years and so far I have a WC lvl 69 and several other toons (lvl 43-66). It may not look much but in these two years i've tryed to understand the game as good as i could do it. And now i have all the stuff i want (A gear for every A grade char, B gear for every B grade char and so on). I've played the market, I've spoiled a lot, i have even tried oe stuff with great success rate and dumb luck as my clanies said it.
[BY the way how the **** can I use the manor system? I have a ton of fruits and it kills me waking up at night, me being from Europe, for changing the fruits; and the sad part is that most of the times i can't even click the sell button cause others are way faster than me. Anyone can give me some tips please, I love seeding, even if i have to dlvl my toons :(. ]
It was hard in the first year but with a bit of luck i've managed to make a spoiler and made tons of money with it, and when i had the idea of raising a wolf (even without the help of the vitality system) i hit jackpot, with my SE and wolf i can grind in catas at low costs and huge profit and now with bots going extinct it's a dream come true. Even if i still have a lot to go ( hiting S grade :) and such ) i'm sure it would be much easier without the bots and the game would be more enjoyable without having to go red every god **** time.
All i want to say is that if you like the game and if you can find your own way of playing it then you have nothing to worry about, you will have a blast ;)....if not, you can still cry about the "poor" bots being banned and how that will affect your great L2 life with +++S grad stuff and all the other crap you bougt or farmed.
Thank you very much =SPAM=, and keep up the good job. !!!!
PS: if you're a farmer and if you get offended by my post...please bring it on! But make me a favor: stop being so dramatic and so ironic about it ---> all you "legit" players out there
And one more Question: was/is Devianne the last on the list of all the servers? I mean Any actuall info confirming that bots were banned? Well, yeah, servers' are all light now, but....I can't be 100% sure that a GM would be a cause of that based on few screenies I could probably made myself... :/
Yes, thank you deeply, =SPAM= for showing the effort. We know it's hard. I just get very annoyed when I see postings on <censored> sites saying stuff like I'm some kind of chump for wanting waste my time clicking on mobs all day when "they" have a life and get to XP while working, sleeping, etc. and can focus on PvP when they play L2.
They should go play another game or on a private server or something. We play on the legit servers because we chose this challenge. And I'll stop my grind every time to hit the BOT button if I feel it's equalizing the effort people put in to the reward they get.
There are other games for people who don't want to work hard at something.
all you guys who say less adena = lower prices are dumb
what you think the adena just disappears?
thers already a ton of adena in game it doesnt go anywhere unless you buy crap from npc shops, of which less money is spent
mats on the other hand do disappear, u craft something and its gone, in fact, if that craft fails, you basically just added more adena to the world cuz you didnt craft something that cost more than the mats
all you guys who say less adena = lower prices are dumb
Just the opposite. They look a bit further than you do.
what you think the adena just disappears?
Of course not. It will be spent on spirit and soul ore. It will also be spent on B crystals for shots (or which grade weapons would you expect lvl 60- BH alts to use? Do you know why they will be 60-?).
thers already a ton of adena in game it doesnt go anywhere unless you buy crap from npc shops
I burn around a million per hour in spirit ore only when I solo (ah, and I get some base mats in drops in the poison room). But nice try anyway.
Luna needs the entire team there.. but don't worry.. after the other servers are stable.. you'll see 6 GMs log on Luna.. and leaving only 1k players or so... Then adena prices will go up.. and the ebay-influenced market will start going down to normal prices.
Luna is just recovering from a bad market spike.
But there a soooo many bots left that needs to be banned.
I rather have high crazy prices for a month as long as some bots can get banned.
Sounds like there is an inside GM event going on....he who bans the most bots gets an extra weeks pay :o
But really this is good to see, I just hope Spam and friends keep it up this time. Maybe assign a GM to each server for them to run around on and ban bots at will every day.
Doing good so far guys, please keep it up this time. :)
Im just stopping by here and saluting that some action is being taken.
But... There's a known way of knowing when you GMs login and are logged in, so all the serious cheaters just logoff or stop running when you login.
Find a way to be on the server without anyone noticing. Im sure there must be one.
Just there will be still bunch of players wanting to stay in game and get to high levels ASAP - that includes use of means not compatible with Agreement.
****...I picked a bad week to take a brake from L2...I'm missing all the fun in the servers.
To ALL GM's: Keep up the good work and I realy hope that this isn't something you will do for one or two weeks then stop, but keep going until you have gotten all the trash out of the servers.
Great!!! Can you just have a look in VoS in Luna pls?
I am tired of Reporting and Pk bots , they just come back or some hero type ebayer on the watch comes and tries to kill me!
There isn't a single spot in VoS not full with bots!Usually after 12 gmt.
And repent your sins quest...**** i never get more than 1 :) and i still have 30 to go.
I noticed also that they are announcing names of players. I thought they wheren't supposed to do so due to the privacy statement, but i don't care about that. Shout out the names of all they ban for all i care. :d
Good work on banning the bots, and please keep it up.
I noticed also that they are announcing names of players. I thought they wheren't supposed to do so due to the privacy statement, but i don't care about that.
What "privacy"? Don't we see those names every day anyway? :D
I noticed also that they are announcing names of players. I thought they wheren't supposed to do so due to the privacy statement, but i don't care about that. Shout out the names of all they ban for all i care. :d
Good work on banning the bots, and please keep it up.
And every serial killer wants to vote too.
Yea.
Break the EULA, and you forfeit you rights. Pretty simple.
On Phoenix i don't notice a difference. I was doing a class change quest and had to go to Cave of Trials and saw bots there. Then i was in Forgotten Temple (same Quest) and more bots there with a new set just being set up.
Its been some time since i've seen bots in these areas.
After i finished the quest i went to NoS to do some low level seeding and more Bots. Couldn't hold two rooms cause i gave a room to a legit that couldn't find a room.
I should also add that while i was in Orc village i watched the bots Suicide on the Gards. They looked like Lemmings there were dozens and dozens of them.
They have to ban IPs too.
But we will see.
I noticed also that they are announcing names of players. I thought they wheren't supposed to do so due to the privacy statement, but i don't care about that.
What "privacy"? Don't we see those names every day anyway? :D
Would be even more fun to have the banned players listed on the oficial page, to make them have shame on themselfs, and to know when someone disappear the true reason...
Hope this is just not a pre-christmas candy and they keep doing it, even if they do it 30 min/day that woul clean a lot...
I know WoW way back when used to put on their website the number of accounts that were banned that month (dont know if they still do)...I'm sure that helped the player base to see that they were really woking on it...Even if they dont list individuals, I'd like to see some kind of number per/week/moth/whatever. I hear a lot about bannings but see very little impact in the areas I hunt in anyway...NC saying "we banned 600 accounts this month" as opposed to just hearing indirectly about a few players who were banned would be much more helpful to me to see that they are really working on it...
I'd like to see some kind of number per/week/moth/whatever.
LOL I guess shareholders rather not, maybe those numbers would be devastating :D
"65 thousand concurrent players this quartal, and we ban 35 thousand accounts"
Something to this kind.
The best part is that the GM's look like they are having fun doing it too... me things that the rules have changed for Spam and his staff... this is a good sign...
Still love "bots getting banned, more QQ expected" quote.
ok now that this is totally been posted to death, i got a final coment. Now that the bots are gone, or at least seriously wounded, how about all the bot clans that war tagged everyone have there clan declarations removed from everyones rosters. Ive had 2 Clans declared on me for over 2 years. I would like to see there dang names removed from my list since one of them was officially banned a year and a half ago. The other one for the most part the leader quit the game almost 2 years ago, he declared on the max number of clans he could before he signed off for the last time cause he was an [censored]. Any help in that would be most appreciated. Since were on the topic of long overdue things, ;>
Can someone tell how to make screenshots under Bootcamp windows on Mac? Cuz i don't have a print screen button. Or any program to record videos would work too ( i don't like the L2 recorder ) There are so many stubborn bots on Luna it's incredible!I want to record them how they keep coming back even after killing them 9 times.
go to START menu > accessories > accessibility > onscreen keyboard
ul get a keyboard on ur screen which u can control by ur mouse.u can find the PRNT SCR (PSC) button next to F12 button.go to the page u want to take screen shot,keep the on-screen keyboard a little aside and click on PSC.it will print ur screen without a keyboard
I wish I could catch those announcements on Aria :)
And I wonder why GMs always choose to be Orcs... heheheh!
I have not seen any on Aria but I do see a lot more rooms open now in the catta and a lot more live players so thanks Spam and the rest of your staff :D