best sub skills?

ok so i got haste atm which is imo massively overpowered
anything else i should get?

passive focus (not the chance one) it adds 30 or 40 crit rate (got around 77 crit rate with a blunt unbuffed)

dagger right?

it's one of the common 75 skills, so you can sub what ever you want ;)

nice thx
any other suggestions? what about celestial?

I tested it when we had the book exchange event and I wasn't very impresed when I tested it in the arena.
The chance buff lasts 4-5 seconds and doesn't trigger that often.

I had a duelist to hit on me (both unbuffed) and without shots...he could kill me 2-3 times without triggering the celestial shield.

Bah get celestial or UD

I have

Pattack and Warrior Haste.

For my destroyer sub I will do Pattack and Lion Heart Passive.

ok so i got haste atm which is imo massively overpowered
anything else i should get?

wait, you think haste is really overpowered?? hmmm i was torn between getting either focus or haste from my 75 sub but now i'm confused again. even though the +30 focus looks VERY good. with my FB w/focus, and PP/SE boofs, i'll be sitting at 232 crit rate on a dorf (on my MS w/focus, i got a +26 crit augment, so with the focus sub-skill, i'll be around 186 critical). that i think is pretty good.

but now you are saying haste is also nice, i'm just not sure if chance haste is greater than having a constant 230+ critical?

Warrior haste is sick. I have around 1200 attack speed with full buffs. Thats why I am stacking my Pattack.

hmmm well let me ask this then, how long does the 'haste' effect last? and does it trigger quite often?

15 seconds. it triggers alot when you aoe. So if you don't aoe. Start :)

thanks for the info LB. i wonder how it is when doing single-target, cuz thats what i end up doing 95% of the time. imo, if doing single target and solo most of the time. focus is the way to go, along with a HD or a FB w/focus.

Think I should get Focus instead of the lionheart passive? for the second subclass?

I don't think UD and warrior haste can stack.

i have nearly 1200 attack speed with a pole O.o
in aoe the skill is running basically 90+% of the time so yes it's pretty **** overpowered imo

I almost feel powerful... besides the fact my lvl 62 destroyer w/frenzy & rage has a higher p attack.

If you want to pve I would go with haste and passive focus (not class specific, the master ability) that gives you a strait 30 crit ALL the time, dont have to wait for the buff to go off, then vanish before you reach the next mob. If you're really into critting (like +'d your skills for crit damage etc) you might want to do both focus's, but I do prefer the haste as well, it's pretty awesome. I suggest this for someone who goes +str, +dex tat setup.

If you want to set up more for pvp you want UD and celestial, it's hard to kill a dwarf, takes a lot of hits, so those are likely to go off and a bit overpowered. I suggest this for the +con build, since it's more for tanky dorfs.

I almost feel powerful... besides the fact my lvl 62 destroyer w/frenzy & rage has a higher p attack.

need better gear for your destro imo
my 56 destro sub had more pattack than me ><

tallum set and tallum glaive.

What else could I get?

What about for a Sword Muse, which Sub skills Should i get ?

As dwarf , sub you should be aiming for are :

- Knight or Enchanter
- Warrior

For my Swordmuse I picked warrior haste :D

but I'd go focus and go warrior next.