It will never happen but .....

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I've been out of this game for about 1.5 years although I still keep an eye on the boards. I see many many people saying that they would like to play this game how it is meant to be played (i.e no farmers, bots, cheats etc).

I left the game because of the first two above, it made the game pointless to me, and the third one was usually heros who used the first two.

So I thought about what would make me return. Obviously a server without those three. And how do we achieve the impossible. Well to me a new server which could only be populated by those same people who want to play as it should be. Obviously someone who managed to level up and sub in a stupidly short amount of time would prove to not be what they claimed .........

So the next question would be, how do new players join this server. Answer: Only on recommendation of a player already there who has played for a certain period of time.

Initially there may only be a few hundred playing but as everyone is starting at the same point this wouldn't matter as you would have a few hundred to play with. It would be irrelevant that there was no gear (everyone still running round in mix and match D grade at 54 hehe) as the point would be to play it as it was meant to be, get parties together to go after the low raid bosses, have equal pvp, have even wars that everyone has a chance in ........

Anyway that would be my dream server but as I said, never likely to happen.

Nal x
Won't work either. If there is no active GMs, one wrongly invited players - and you will see bots running everywhere.
Better to find the things you really enjoy about the game, and forget about the farmers, etc. IMO
Yea it will never work without major maintnance to upkeep the bots. If they where willing to do that they could keep the servers we have now and just drop Bots. I even use the freak out of the bot reporting button but they are still there day in and day out in Martydom.
That's why I said it would never happen, it's my dream server and that's all it will ever be.

And with regard to finding other things that make the game enjoyable, it was never a case of it not being enjoyable. In every MMO I've played since L2 nothing has ever come close for me. I left because I got tired of fighting groups of bots when the farmer groups practically took over the whole server. Going into catas and being constantly attacked by the 5-8 bot groups down there because they wanted to farm items wasn't fun and never will be. It was tedious and eventually spread to all the higher level areas, I got fed up with being unable to level (combined with also in a clan with a large war list and I'm crap at PvP hehe) and eventually left.
I deleted my characters a few months ago. I look at the boards from time to time to reassure myself I did the right thing.

Nothing really better out there right now, but never again NCSOFT, never again :).

Sticking with warhammer until starcraft 2 comes out.

I've been out of this game for about 1.5 years although I still keep an eye on the boards. I see many many people saying that they would like to play this game how it is meant to be played (i.e no farmers, bots, cheats etc).

I left the game because of the first two above, it made the game pointless to me, and the third one was usually heros who used the first two.

So I thought about what would make me return. Obviously a server without those three. And how do we achieve the impossible. Well to me a new server which could only be populated by those same people who want to play as it should be. Obviously someone who managed to level up and sub in a stupidly short amount of time would prove to not be what they claimed .........

So the next question would be, how do new players join this server. Answer: Only on recommendation of a player already there who has played for a certain period of time.

Initially there may only be a few hundred playing but as everyone is starting at the same point this wouldn't matter as you would have a few hundred to play with. It would be irrelevant that there was no gear (everyone still running round in mix and match D grade at 54 hehe) as the point would be to play it as it was meant to be, get parties together to go after the low raid bosses, have equal pvp, have even wars that everyone has a chance in ........

Anyway that would be my dream server but as I said, never likely to happen.

Nal x



It couldn't happen because by their very nature, people are imperfect.

You are hoping that "good" people won't invite "bad" people. However, there are people out there who live a litttle in the gray, might know someone who they think is great and cool to hang out with but who might buy a little gold on the side.

So they say "hey, I'll invite you but you just have to keep it low key or try not to so I don't get in trouble.

And that's how it begins.

And in the end NC couldn't do it because it is discriminatioin. Claiming that a small sub group of a community is more valid than another and thus they get to decide who gets in and who doesn't.
How do all you people who don't play still post?
I never could post here when my time expired :E
Tell me secrets!

sry for the offtopic :E
yeah, i was wondering the same thing!

How do all you people who don't play still post?
I never could post here when my time expired :E
Tell me secrets!

sry for the offtopic :E



Seriously, I'm wondering the same thing. :eek:


How do all you people who don't play still post?
I never could post here when my time expired :E
Tell me secrets!

sry for the offtopic :E



they can't. They are keeping the subscription open or recently re-opened the account, you can view the boards I seem to recall, just not post in them without a paid account.
you can post with unpaid account.



How do all you people who don't play still post?
I never could post here when my time expired :E
Tell me secrets!

sry for the offtopic :E



they can't. They are keeping the subscription open or recently re-opened the account, you can view the boards I seem to recall, just not post in them without a paid account.



Nope. I am not keeping the account open nor do I have paid time:

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It would help if you said how... >.>
Anyway , it's a really bad solution to "play the game the way it was meant to be played (tm)"

1- Who are you to tell "the way it's meant to be played"

2- I knew legit who leveled ultra fast, played the market very well.
True... most quit because of cheaters.

In the end, it's a wrong, terribly wrong solution (ie: bad, evil, dangerous) to answer a very real game disease (bots, ebayers, prof plelvel, account seller/buyers, exploiters... in a word , The Cheaters).




How do all you people who don't play still post?
I never could post here when my time expired :E
Tell me secrets!

sry for the offtopic :E



they can't. They are keeping the subscription open or recently re-opened the account, you can view the boards I seem to recall, just not post in them without a paid account.



Nope. I am not keeping the account open nor do I have paid time:

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Account Status: Not playable
Inactive for 90+ Days: No

Subscription: none

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I stand corrected :)

I've been out of this game for about 1.5 years although I still keep an eye on the boards. I see many many people saying that they would like to play this game how it is meant to be played (i.e no farmers, bots, cheats etc).

I left the game because of the first two above, it made the game pointless to me, and the third one was usually heros who used the first two.

So I thought about what would make me return. Obviously a server without those three. And how do we achieve the impossible. Well to me a new server which could only be populated by those same people who want to play as it should be. Obviously someone who managed to level up and sub in a stupidly short amount of time would prove to not be what they claimed .........

So the next question would be, how do new players join this server. Answer: Only on recommendation of a player already there who has played for a certain period of time.

Initially there may only be a few hundred playing but as everyone is starting at the same point this wouldn't matter as you would have a few hundred to play with. It would be irrelevant that there was no gear (everyone still running round in mix and match D grade at 54 hehe) as the point would be to play it as it was meant to be, get parties together to go after the low raid bosses, have equal pvp, have even wars that everyone has a chance in ........

Anyway that would be my dream server but as I said, never likely to happen.

Nal x


uh i had legit b/c grade at 54, and that was in prelude/c1.. if you are in D grade at 54 that is your problem

I've been out of this game for about 1.5 years although I still keep an eye on the boards. I see many many people saying that they would like to play this game how it is meant to be played (i.e no farmers, bots, cheats etc).

I left the game because of the first two above, it made the game pointless to me, and the third one was usually heros who used the first two.

So I thought about what would make me return. Obviously a server without those three. And how do we achieve the impossible. Well to me a new server which could only be populated by those same people who want to play as it should be. Obviously someone who managed to level up and sub in a stupidly short amount of time would prove to not be what they claimed .........

So the next question would be, how do new players join this server. Answer: Only on recommendation of a player already there who has played for a certain period of time.

Initially there may only be a few hundred playing but as everyone is starting at the same point this wouldn't matter as you would have a few hundred to play with. It would be irrelevant that there was no gear (everyone still running round in mix and match D grade at 54 hehe) as the point would be to play it as it was meant to be, get parties together to go after the low raid bosses, have equal pvp, have even wars that everyone has a chance in ........

Anyway that would be my dream server but as I said, never likely to happen.

Nal x



Hi Madders, good to see you posting again. I know how you feel with finding a spot to xp and seeing all taken by bots. Getting upset that nothing is being done and watching clans botting there rep points so much it gets crazy.

I just take many breaks from the game. And kind of put binders on and only see what the clan is doing and have fun with them. Oh and use that cool lil bot report button all the time. It has gotten a lot better over the last week, but im not holding my breath yet. Have seen NC active like this before and start slowing down after a few weeks. So will just have to wait and see if they keep doing the good work or not.

Anyways it's good to see you back. :D


I've been out of this game for about 1.5 years although I still keep an eye on the boards. I see many many people saying that they would like to play this game how it is meant to be played (i.e no farmers, bots, cheats etc).

I left the game because of the first two above, it made the game pointless to me, and the third one was usually heros who used the first two.

So I thought about what would make me return. Obviously a server without those three. And how do we achieve the impossible. Well to me a new server which could only be populated by those same people who want to play as it should be. Obviously someone who managed to level up and sub in a stupidly short amount of time would prove to not be what they claimed .........

So the next question would be, how do new players join this server. Answer: Only on recommendation of a player already there who has played for a certain period of time.

Initially there may only be a few hundred playing but as everyone is starting at the same point this wouldn't matter as you would have a few hundred to play with. It would be irrelevant that there was no gear (everyone still running round in mix and match D grade at 54 hehe) as the point would be to play it as it was meant to be, get parties together to go after the low raid bosses, have equal pvp, have even wars that everyone has a chance in ........

Anyway that would be my dream server but as I said, never likely to happen.

Nal x


uh i had legit b/c grade at 54, and that was in prelude/c1.. if you are in D grade at 54 that is your problem



Are you really that stupid or just practice at it. It was an example not actual fact. And I really am surprised that so few get the point to my post so just to reiterate IT'S MY IDEAL SERVER!

I played this game for years before leaving, I know the ins and outs, I know the type of people you meet in game and I know my dream is unrealistic, but it's just that, a dream. I wasn't here when it began, I would have liked to have been. It won't ever happen, that's it end of.

Better to find the things you really enjoy about the game, and forget about the farmers, etc. IMO




What this person said. I am like you it really bothers me knowing I simply cannot compete with cheaters in lineage2 period. So my choice has been to quit ( which i have done in the past) or learn to play and simply resign to the fact that bots will dominate, and to do my best to ignore them.


the crazy thing is these bots are sooo dam obvious in sooo many ways, I just cannot fathom that the gm's have not been able to ban them historicaly speaking. I mean they are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO blatently obvious ( I type this as I watch a naked dwarf named lplplplplplp with a top c grade weapon ( most certainly common ) rebuff and make his way back out to the fields in it's same old botting cycle that it has been doing for WEEKS.

Crazy part is if they were agrssive at banning bot accounts, the botters end up with 2 options, keep paying the $$$ to purchase a new account, or quit.....at some point the money for buying new accounts has to outway the benifit of botting you would think.....unless these people are getting free accounts....

Anyway , it's a really bad solution to "play the game the way it was meant to be played (tm)"

1- Who are you to tell "the way it's meant to be played"

2- I knew legit who leveled ultra fast, played the market very well.
True... most quit because of cheaters.

In the end, it's a wrong, terribly wrong solution (ie: bad, evil, dangerous) to answer a very real game disease (bots, ebayers, prof plelvel, account seller/buyers, exploiters... in a word , The Cheaters).




Ya ya ya right everyone played it legit got their levels, got their adena and gear sure.... They all say it, but in the end basic math can be done to discover reality which is always the flaw that most people do not bother to double check on.

Also Most of even the most legit players got what they did in some round about way from cheaters one way or another is the reality.


You played the market well - translation, I was able to sell for a profit to impatient Adena buyers.

Crafted to earn my money - translation was able to harness the resources attained from botters to craft things for profit.

The only real legit way was by way of ultra luck....I got the 1 in 1.4 million a grade drop.
They are actually getting free accounts,a lot of them. As many as they want really. (I'm talking about the hardcore farmers here, not just skill-less players who feel they must bot to succeed in the game)

See, farmers have a lot of credit card info AND account info! Were do you think all those spammers come from? NCSoft disabled trial accounts. Would a farmer really pay $20 to make a new account to just spam? No, they are accounts that have been stolen from people and are determined not usefull for anything but spamming by said farmers.

This is the true evil of botting, credit card fraud. That's why I reccomend to just stay as far away from them as you can. (IMO NCSoft should make a sanctioned "RMT" server were players can buy their equips in an official system, ala Sony's Station Exchange servers)

I think what would be really nice if NC managed to make some system that automatically detected botting like some other games can do. It could be a manual system like CAPTCHA or something more in the background like Punkbuster. I'm no programmer tho and I know these features are easier said then made.

Yes I think botting effects this game more then many others because of it's PvP nature. The best advice I can give there is, if you just got killed by someone who botted their way to 75+ and is all decked out in S grade, well, don't feel bad. Revel in the feeling of an underdog! And when you kill someone who didn't get their loot fairly, you will have the satisfaction of knowing it was you who won fairly.


How do all you people who don't play still post?
I never could post here when my time expired :E
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Seriously, I'm wondering the same thing. :eek:



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The Devil you say! ;)


Anyway , it's a really bad solution to "play the game the way it was meant to be played (tm)"

1- Who are you to tell "the way it's meant to be played"

2- I knew legit who leveled ultra fast, played the market very well.
True... most quit because of cheaters.

In the end, it's a wrong, terribly wrong solution (ie: bad, evil, dangerous) to answer a very real game disease (bots, ebayers, prof plelvel, account seller/buyers, exploiters... in a word , The Cheaters).




Ya ya ya right everyone played it legit got their levels, got their adena and gear sure.... They all say it, but in the end basic math can be done to discover reality which is always the flaw that most people do not bother to double check on.

Also Most of even the most legit players got what they did in some round about way from cheaters one way or another is the reality.


You played the market well - translation, I was able to sell for a profit to impatient Adena buyers.

Crafted to earn my money - translation was able to harness the resources attained from botters to craft things for profit.

The only real legit way was by way of ultra luck....I got the 1 in 1.4 million a grade drop.



To make things clear, I think that your points are completely ridiculous and unrealistics but... let's say that for the sake of this discussion that you are right and let's take your argumentation as real.

So, there are no legit players in game.
At one point, each of us have benefitted from a tainted adena - directly or indirectly. The logic conclusion is that we are all cheaters, all responsible! Now that we proved that none of us - and especially you and this poster - are worthy of playing into such ideal "legit" server, tell me how the FRAK are you going to populate your "dream" of a community?

I know : you will answer that we should populate this "L2 dream" with players who never ever played L2 because only them are pure , never tainted by the unholy adena! To that, I will fully agree with you : it would be the easiest way to make sure no cheater will ever log in. I would guess also that you would still seek for a solution for all of those tainted players, stupidly thinking that playing legitly is enough.

Of all these idiots and weak minded legit who though that they could get away without being responsible of what was done by their fellow players in our out of their clan, tagged or not, low or high level, hunting in cata or outside fields, logged or not. A solution to allow these weak minded legit to play in our dream of a server is now easier to define : they will have to be responsible not only of their own behaviors but of their fellow players behavior! So let's think of few ideas to ensure that players can control themselves and the others - obviously the bot report is not enough.

First we need to define a penalty to make sure that you will not let yourself or allow by your inaction someone cheating... this penalty must be incentive and the best one will be a final and immediate ban so we can ensure an immediate adhesion of our dreaming common responsibility. Now that our community understands the obligation of responsibility, we can foxus on the means to be responsible.. in a word, let's talk about the tools to control ourselves and our fellow happy legit player's behaviors.

I'd say that logs of every players should be consultable by everyone and at any moment : that way we will all be able to survey how all behave, what was sold and for how much, when they hunted, how they hunted, for how long and with who. We will have to know who they were talking to, when and where. We'll have to get the full text info also if we want to solve the probable "crypted" discussion (aka "I love texas ranger" = "I am botting like a mad") : we have to know and see everything or we won't be able to control ourselves or the others, we won't be able to be resposible, we won't be pure legits anf thuss we won't be allowed in our own legit L2 playground.

Of course, this dream of a server is not a digital version of a facist society so if as a legit player you are suspected to behave in a suspicious way, we will still grant them the right to prove otherwise and rest their cases. Also , because the L2 dream is strong on the democratics rights , we will make sure that the player's defense will be fully public... let's say on Giran's central place. We could ask L2 to build a small scene in front of the L2 church. To add to the dramatic touch of our dream of a legit self-controled society, we could even ask NCNA to build a cross instead. That way , every suscicious players will have to answer the perfect community question, while being blocked at the city... The Giran Cross will effectively prevent any suspicious players for doing their suspicious activities, houay!!


Sorry but your dream of a server is my nightmare as a gamer.
No alpha, I was simply pointing out the flaw in your "dream make beleive world" where everyone in current L2 is there because they earned it.

Fact is most of us are not. Basic math simply shows us that it is impossible for 99.9% of players to acheive the goals that SOOOOO many did or have without some type of direct cheating or benifiting indirectly from cheating.

So let's stop pretending about how you, me, your friend, my friend are all hardcore raw legit bass arses. Let's stop pretending those [censored] and SSS shots we buy and use are from legit sources....let's stop the gag that most anything is legit in L2 or that somehow an all legit server under the current mechanics of lineage2 would be a good thing or even fun, unless you consider trying to grind to level 80 in b gear without soulshots fun. This is the reason lineage2 is where it is. The underlying mechanics of the game are broken and have always been broken, from a fun enjoyable game standpoint. That is why bots proliferate in lineage2 but not the next game (not saying bots don;t exist in other games just they are not nearly a large of part of the active playerbase).

IE this dream server simply would be no fun.
Anything legit has to be a joke cuz i'm wondering how a legit player like myselfs ever gonna afford top great wolf gear with the buy adena prices they have set in this game it's ridiculouse and all my clannies are wondering how we'll get a grade with the exact same price problem in game we are stuck with common gear off drops it looks like.
It is easy... the problem is that people do not TRY TO EARN THEIR STUFF - making adena is easy in this game, you just have to know how to do it... and those that say you have to bot to make money have no idea how the game is really played.

So, there are no legit players in game.
At one point, each of us have benefitted from a tainted adena - directly or indirectly. The logic conclusion is that we are all cheaters,


Wrong.

There is nothing in the EULA that disallows just "benefitting from a tainted adena".

Anything legit has to be a joke cuz i'm wondering how a legit player like myselfs ever gonna afford top great wolf gear with the buy adena prices they have set in this game it's ridiculouse


No, it's just about a level of grinding without shots on you and on your wolf in S-grade.


and all my clannies are wondering how we'll get a grade with the exact same price problem in game we are stuck with common gear off drops it looks like.


There is no "price" problem for A grade. There is a "no will to grind for equipment" problem. Ampified by a "no will to help clannies with their equipment grinding" problem.

Anything legit has to be a joke cuz i'm wondering how a legit player like myselfs ever gonna afford top great wolf gear with the buy adena prices they have set in this game it's ridiculouse and all my clannies are wondering how we'll get a grade with the exact same price problem in game we are stuck with common gear off drops it looks like.



A few tips: Equip yourselfs in B-grade first, and farm those ToI, GC and LoA quests. Trade items you don't need for those you do. Also, get into a clan level 5+ (or make one) which allows you to sign up to siege a fort whenever you like, and go farm KEs as much as you can. You can easily make a few millions a day for each character involved. Try to manor the basic materials too (though with KE farming you should be able to afford to buy them).

This will take a bit of time, and, what's more important, cooperation with your friends. Work together, and you'll succeed.
Not answering Akjosch you were just last post :)

Reading through these posts it seems a lot of people seem to believe that L2 cannot possibly exist if the majority of players (and in some cases indications that it should be all) do not use farmers (or are indeed farmers themselves, and by this I mean that is all they do not someone who stays in one place for parts they need to craft 1 specific item), bot or buy their gear or character with rl money.

So the EULA really need changing to exclude legit players.

I'm surprised at how many of you complain regarding what being legit means. If I was on a server where everyone started the same and progressed at similar levels (by that I mean dont manage 1 - 80 in 1 week due to 'additional' help) I'd be perfectly happy. It would make the game a challenge rather than the way it is now. And it would also mean less of (though not totally eliminated) the shops selling needed items at rediculous prices that only those who have had help can afford. Anyone with any sense would realise that it would have to be sold at a reasonable cost in order to sell it - no one would have the money for stupid prices.

There seems a huge issue about what 'legit' means. I don't think anyone ever could claim to be completely but there are many that aren't through means they know nothing about. As an example there was a comment about tainted adena and that everyone uses it. That is true because it is impossible not to - you may buy a weapon whose componants came from none legit methods, you wouldn't know so you still would use tainted items. That doesn't make you none legit, that just makes you unaware.

Anyway, carry one because I'm finding it highly amusing reading these threads shouting about 'no-one can ever be legit'.

Not answering Akjosch you were just last post :)

Reading through these posts it seems a lot of people seem to believe that L2 cannot possibly exist if the majority of players (and in some cases indications that it should be all) do not use farmers (or are indeed farmers themselves, and by this I mean that is all they do not someone who stays in one place for parts they need to craft 1 specific item), bot or buy their gear or character with rl money.

So the EULA really need changing to exclude legit players.

I'm surprised at how many of you complain regarding what being legit means. If I was on a server where everyone started the same and progressed at similar levels (by that I mean dont manage 1 - 80 in 1 week due to 'additional' help) I'd be perfectly happy. It would make the game a challenge rather than the way it is now. And it would also mean less of (though not totally eliminated) the shops selling needed items at rediculous prices that only those who have had help can afford. Anyone with any sense would realise that it would have to be sold at a reasonable cost in order to sell it - no one would have the money for stupid prices.

There seems a huge issue about what 'legit' means. I don't think anyone ever could claim to be completely but there are many that aren't through means they know nothing about. As an example there was a comment about tainted adena and that everyone uses it. That is true because it is impossible not to - you may buy a weapon whose componants came from none legit methods, you wouldn't know so you still would use tainted items. That doesn't make you none legit, that just makes you unaware.

Anyway, carry one because I'm finding it highly amusing reading these threads shouting about 'no-one can ever be legit'.



no offense but again do the math, you are just wrong. Check the drop rates, check the time to kill a mob etc... we are talking about astronomical numbers. Ya I am talking to you, me your friend my friend...you know all those +8-+16 weapons? that everyone seems to have 1 or more of? keep pretending they are all their because of legit game play. Keep pretending the items themselves, the mats used to make them etc were not put into play by afk play over months and years. Let's not even get into the fact that somehow magically never ending supplies of the shots are also being supplied through those astronomical drop rates yet on daily basis never ending supply by what is prolly an active player base of what 1000-1500 player or less on most servers?

No sorry you are only fooling yourself if you want to beleive the world is turning by means of legit play in lineage2.

do the math you will be dumb founded by the amount of mobs each player would need to kill at a certain level range each day to keep up with the A grade items alone needed to make A grade shots. Let alone equip most every player on the server level 62+ with full A grade gear.

I think each of us can answer this question just by reviewing the mats we have personally collected over your entire career of play lineage2 on all your characters...

Full 7 characters over level 52 on my account (1 scavy) add up all the mats I have earned ( have never sold a single one) and I still do not have enough mats to create top b grade weapon.....I will say I am a fairly average player...so ya some ultra motivated might gone the full distance to use manor ( after the bots were done monopolizing it) but not alot have. Yet everyone got top top grade and most are running around with obcene glows on their weapons spamming shots constantly......if you are not willing to concede most of what we have in this game was the product of bots farming 24/7 for years you are in denial :P

make A grade shots. Let alone equip most every player on the server level 62+ with full A grade gear.


You aren't supposed to.

I've got my A-grade armor in high 60s and my A-grade weapon in low 70s.
Wow Monster and Madders, you both haven't understood my point :

1- Your assumption about "there are no legit" is wrong
Again , reread : you cannot ask legtis to be responsible of the actions of the cheaters or anyone else for what matters. This is BASIC SOCIAL behavior.

The only societies or community who tried to blame a group for the actions of some of its individuals are those that went bad...terribly bad : Nazy, blaming the whole jew community for the country's failure. Combodian Khmers, blaming intellectuals in general for "tainting" their society, etc..

ASKING legits to be responsible of the cheater's behavior and then throwing at us that we're all cheaters because were unaware : IT IS WRONG! If it was right, we will be playing the dream server I described above, so re-read to realize why your dream is my nightmare.



Now as for means to make adena/gear legits..
Chose the right class and play it the right way. If you are solo struggling, do what ppl told ya to do : join big clans, do clan stuff (raids, ****eons) , mutualize your efforts instead of trying to solo every fraking thing in game.

As for dope rate : chose the right class, hunt the right mobs, do the right quests , etc, etc, etc..
http://lineage2.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8604

to make it crystal clear again :
- You are asking the wrong question (ie: levels of legitness, lol)
- You have identified the wrong issues (ie: legit cannot play L2 good, if they do they can only be cheaters, lol)
- You want to apply the wrong answers (ie : a fraking unplayable game..a totalitarian simulation at its best)


So, there are no legit players in game.
At one point, each of us have benefitted from a tainted adena - directly or indirectly. The logic conclusion is that we are all cheaters,


Wrong.

There is nothing in the EULA that disallows just "benefitting from a tainted adena".



RE-READ the frakin introduction of my post before writing down your anwser : this is a demonstration by the absurd, you take the argument as granted and demonstrate why its wrong.

Here, I took his assumption as granted to demonstrate why it's wrong : a "pure legit" game is not a game or mmorpg, it's a simulation of a totalitarian system. BY DESIGN, all players would have to spend ALL their ingame and out of the game time to control the other players or answer to the other players or to do both !!

So what you should have read and understood was : of course THERE ARE FULL LEGITS in this game and these can be EASILY defined as the ones who have never directly cheated. So basically those who have never :
- botted,
- ebayed gears,
- used prof plvling services,
- bought accounts,
- exploited ingame mecanics,
- used 3rd party tools of any forms.

All the [censored] about the tainted adena", "partial legits" and other nonsense is just that : bullshjt.