Hey All i have been playing L2 almost 4 years now and all the servers are still deader then ever a good server should have normal traffic at all times = ) and on a good day All north american servers are still light and phoenix sometimes reaches Normal Traffic more North american Server Merges are needed who agrees with me ? i mean in castle seiges it should be like at least 100 vs 100 or something ... not 20 v 20 rofl thanx alot for reading this post. More server moeges = More players, more parties , more seiges more raids = Awsome Lineage 2.
This is going to be an extremely polluted poll. Why? Because different people from different servers will say different things. Unless you have an active toon on each server you really can't pick an option.
Hey All i have been playing L2 almost 4 years now and all the servers are still deader then ever a good server should have normal traffic at all times = ) and on a good day All north american servers are still light and phoenix sometimes reaches Normal Traffic more North american Server Merges are needed who agrees with me ? i mean in castle seiges it should be like at least 100 vs 100 or something ... not 20 v 20 rofl thanx alot for reading this post. More server moeges = More players, more parties , more seiges more raids = Awsome Lineage 2.
if there will ONLY be LEGIT players left in L2 I will welcome the merges...but as long as botters and those that use 3rd party software to aid them in PvP I say "NO THANKS, keep the servers as they are!!"
Actually, the one with 23k is from prime time, and the one with 17k is 5 hours before prime time ;) But, anyway, that would be nice, if most of the "missing" players would be bots :P
Last batch of server merges were bad enouhg, leave the servers the *censored* alone... dont like a dead server? move to another one. Last time we had a server merge, the server I was on had almost no bots, we had the problem mostly under control, after merges the problem was worse then before. And quite frankly it's bad enough as it is, cause a lot of good people no longer have a 'home' aka CH etc.
Aka more server merges = more bots in areas leaving nothing for legit players.
Last batch of server merges were bad enouhg, leave the servers the *censored* alone... dont like a dead server? move to another one. QFT. If you do not like your current server situation, move to a different server via account service. But do not ask everybody else to be subjected to a forced server merge and all the crap which comes with it just because you are unhappy.
The servers which just have been merged (Phoenix etc.) should be left alone now. The reasons have been mentioned often enough. Losing a clan hall can be a major blow to old, established, high lvl clans. And of course you do not only get the "live" players from both servers, you also get all the botters. The situation at varka silenos on Phoenix e.g. was totally insane before the bans started. There literally were more bots than mobs.
if they happen, well they happen. if not then pay to transfer if you feel like a new server situation. for example...i dont like the emptiness of Devianne atm...so once im done moving, away to another i go.
imo all the people that want a server merge so bad are the ones that just want a free server transfer.
imo banhammer hardcore time + server merger would make the game fun again for some people but then again bot servers is "fun" for some as well appearantly
i mean in castle seiges it should be like at least 100 vs 100 or something ... not 20 v 20 rofl thanx alot for reading this post. More server moeges = More players, more parties , more seiges more raids = Awsome Lineage 2.
Sieges are more like 100+ defenders agains what? 20/40 atackers. Why? because of the fame system... Clan's picking "save" side just for gathering fame. Not to mention you get still get fame while you are dead for 2 hours straight on the field.
Get ridd off the fame collecting while dead and give attackers bonus fame. You'll see completely different sieges.... just my 2 cents
oh to get back on your question. I think servers are fine the way they are. More merges won't make that much of a difference.
Sieges are more like 100+ defenders agains what? 20/40 atackers. Why? because of the fame system... Clan's picking "save" side just for gathering fame.
Picking "attacker" side for gathering fame is "safer":
1. You don't need castleowners approval.
2. You die in the beginning and then can go afk, and just return to town after the siege. For "defender" side, you can be killed when siege ends, with full XP loss.
You can't touch Bartz and Teon, because they'r original ones, so you have original, untouched, smaller servers from - na and ue + 2 bigger X. Thats how i would make it :)
You can't touch Bartz and Teon, because they'r original ones, so you have original, untouched, smaller servers from - na and ue + 2 bigger X. Thats how i would make it :)
NA =
1.Bartz
2. X (Sayha+Aria+Phoenix+Devianne)
UE =
1.Teon
2. X (Franz+Luna)
Bartz+Teon = classical
X+X= big one's
Uh hell no on your NA #2 you can keep dreaming. Sayha, Phoenix and Aria have been through this already and theres no way in god's green earth I wanna do it again. Just leave the servers alone, if you dont like your server transfer. Many people and clans are already doing it, Phoenix has had a large influx of people from Sayha & Devianne.... Clans are uprooted enough we shouldn't have to do it again.
I am not really happy with the server traffic on sayha. I wish it was jam packed with people! The first merge made me more happy with my server. I dont think another would hurt, and i would welcome more people!
And, there's no way that those of us who want merges are just crying for a free sever transfer. All of the NA servers are pretty dead. I'd never move to any of them, and i'd never move to a euro server because im american and i dont like waking up at wierd times for sieges.
N thats my 2 cents ! :P
Uh hell no on your NA #2 you can keep dreaming. Sayha, Phoenix and Aria have been through this already and theres no way in god's green earth I wanna do it again. Just leave the servers alone, if you dont like your server transfer. Many people and clans are already doing it, Phoenix has had a large influx of people from Sayha & Devianne.... Clans are uprooted enough we shouldn't have to do it again.
I'm with Shic on this one 100%. Just because the server says "Light" traffic doesn't mean there aren't people in all my xp spots, and yet, when I feel the burn to pvp, there are plenty around to do that, too!
I'm of the opinion that the Gustin/Hinniemith merge was a mistake in the first place. Two completely different cultures of players: those who enjoy the grind versus those who play afk, merged into a messed up, foul smelling, out-of-balance mess. Phoenix would be a GM's worst nightmare, if they cared about balanced play. After the merge, many great Gustin clans died after they lost their clan halls and couldn't support their members. This travesty should never be allowed to happen again. They should have instanced the halls, but NC rarely thinks that far ahead in game management, or doesn't care.
If you don't like where you are, transfer, and take your posse with you.
If you don't like the population on Sayha, wait it out a few months. If the rumors of Nova transferring out again are true, I predict the server will have a reawakening.
Though some other bot clan *cough*RR*cough* will fill the void.
If you don't like the population on Sayha, wait it out a few months. If the rumors of Nova transferring out again are true, I predict the server will have a reawakening.
Though some other bot clan *cough*RR*cough* will fill the void.
LOLOLOL ya um.... pvp reawakening LOL okay... LOL... Nova Isn't going to move because the only place they can own is Sayha which is already "dead" ;)
You can't touch Bartz and Teon, because they'r original ones, so you have original, untouched, smaller servers from - na and ue + 2 bigger X. Thats how i would make it :)
NA =
1.Bartz
2. X (Sayha+Aria+Phoenix+Devianne)
UE =
1.Teon
2. X (Franz+Luna)
Bartz+Teon = classical
X+X= big one's
Why would you Merge servers that have high population than Bartz right now with each other, and not touch Bartz? lol...
Idk if even RR can fill the void n bring pvp back to our server, but hey, with small scale pvp, at least i might be able to stand a chance!
Idk how people didnt enjoy the server merges and are so dead set against them. Sayha is sooo much more healthy after the merge! I dont see how people can cry "it destroyed my server!" When that server got double the population. L2 was created to be a MASSIVE multiplayer online game, and the economy and any end game data requires that.
But lets all take a step back, does anyone here actually think this thread will make a difference in Nc's eyes? :D I think server merges are probably done for a while.
To each their own. You had a good experience, others not so good. To loose a clan hall or some such is a big thing. Some of the clan halls on our server have been held by the same alliance for years. Why should they give it up?
Move to another server if you wish. They could allow a one time, free move if they really wanted to see the true depth of the amount of people that want to move.
Long term knowing of people is also a bit important. Even with server transfers, it is now extremely hard not to bring into clan a nardowell bot from another server by accident.
No, I do wonder in the end if those merges really helped the population of the new server of just game a bit of juice to server players that were unhappy already and forced them to leave.
Last batch of server merges were bad enouhg, leave the servers the *censored* alone... dont like a dead server? move to another one. Last time we had a server merge, the server I was on had almost no bots, we had the problem mostly under control, after merges the problem was worse then before. And quite frankly it's bad enough as it is, cause a lot of good people no longer have a 'home' aka CH etc.
Aka more server merges = more bots in areas leaving nothing for legit players.
I think that server merges...if they do another batch of them...should be done with the servers that haven't yet been merged, and only the ones that might be suffering population loss. I would personally leave the currently merged servers alone, as the process was a mess and I really doubt many people would be readily willing to go through that again any time soon.
That's just my 2 cents. Moving on to another thread now. *wink*
I think that server merges...if they do another batch of them...should be done with the servers that haven't yet been merged, and only the ones that might be suffering population loss. I would personally leave the currently merged servers alone, as the process was a mess and I really doubt many people would be readily willing to go through that again any time soon.
That's just my 2 cents. Moving on to another thread now. *wink*
Population loss is not predictable with server transfers available, because whole clans can transfer off a server totally obliterating it.
I do think that they need to do more mergers to consolidate more live players (and of course more bot runs), and I think that a Clan Hall is less important than a populated and fun MMORPG.
Sorry, but transfers are not economical for all people, especially those with multiple accounts and multiple toons that they play.
So you do agree then that if it was a free, one time offer, that would then remove the cost factor and allow for moves without the disruption of the servers.
I would bet you ask any clan that has a top clan hall if they would give it to you, their answer would be quite different. When a few clans came to Bartz, the offers were quite, quite high for existing clan halls and I do mean multiple epic jewels along with the 2bil adena, so I don't think you know what you are talking about in the value of a clan hall.
Server merge = That crap lagg we had , Giran being so crowded with shops that you'll have to upgrade your computers big time just to move arround in it. and you'll need a 3rd party program just to locate the stairways since everyone thinks it's a great place to stick shops plus that 3rd party program will be to locate the gate keepers since after all everyones shops are bunched up on each other on top of the gate keepers.
What didn't you learn from the server merges? Phoenix was the only 1 that ever hit a normal , on the logg in screen so it's not a game fix to keep players in game.
Your new server merge call will actually get more players to just quit game cuz they will see more bots, more lagg , possibly losing clan halls , losing castles they may never get back since the pay pal accts will have everything on lockdown so it's really a stupid idea to a game fix.
Unnerfing all the stupid nerfs would be a much better idea than a server merge wouldn't you think cuz then people would come back maybe and let us kill bots for thier gear isn't a bad fix either :)
I like phoenix just how it is thanks minus the lagg it's perfectly fine so go transfer if your unhappy none of us are stopping you and can i have everyones gear thats leaving phoenix cuz i hit 61 on my OL and could use a real set of heavy majestic , i'm using common tallum light for now :)
So you do agree then that if it was a free, one time offer, that would then remove the cost factor and allow for moves without the disruption of the servers.
I would bet you ask any clan that has a top clan hall if they would give it to you, their answer would be quite different. When a few clans came to Bartz, the offers were quite, quite high for existing clan halls and I do mean multiple epic jewels along with the 2bil adena, so I don't think you know what you are talking about in the value of a clan hall.
Everyone's response would be different, even people with a Gludio Clan Hall. That hardly matters.
A lively MMORPG with with good player consolidation is more important than a **** clan hall.
Server merge = That crap lagg we had , Giran being so crowded with shops that you'll have to upgrade your computers big time just to move arround in it. and you'll need a 3rd party program just to locate the stairways since everyone thinks it's a great place to stick shops plus that 3rd party program will be to locate the gate keepers since after all everyones shops are bunched up on each other on top of the gate keepers.
What didn't you learn from the server merges? Phoenix was the only 1 that ever hit a normal , on the logg in screen so it's not a game fix to keep players in game.
Your new server merge call will actually get more players to just quit game cuz they will see more bots, more lagg , possibly losing clan halls , losing castles they may never get back since the pay pal accts will have everything on lockdown so it's really a stupid idea to a game fix.
Unnerfing all the stupid nerfs would be a much better idea than a server merge wouldn't you think cuz then people would come back maybe and let us kill bots for thier gear isn't a bad fix either :)
I like phoenix just how it is thanks minus the lagg it's perfectly fine so go transfer if your unhappy none of us are stopping you and can i have everyones gear thats leaving phoenix cuz i hit 61 on my OL and could use a real set of heavy majestic , i'm using common tallum light for now :)
Lol. Removing what nerfs?
Dropping gear on death is a failed philosophy and NCSoft should have known from teh get go that it was a stupid thing to have in a game where you work months to acquire those items (never mention getting to the level to wear them, back then). Every game that I've played that had that in the game has removed it in short order... It is too easy to grief for drops...
That doesn't make a game hardcore, it just makes people quit or cheat when they drop an expensive item.
I'll let all the forum topics about this and that class got nerfed speak for themselves.
1 thing they can undo though is give OL back his ally buffs and that can be considered a nerf since it was in game for so long it still makes no sense to all of a sudden take it out and we can add the bishop ally res back in while we are at it. Take the party lvl limit thing out where if your a certain lvl a low lvl clanny can't get any exp when partying with ya.
The whole lvl limit on Cruma was never needed to begin with but since it's in the game we could put lvl limits on Garden Of Eva, and Tower of Insolence since they need them just like cruma needed it's lvl limit :). The point i'm trying to make is if Cruma really needed a lvl limit attached to it then doesn't that very same assumption apply to Tower of Insolence at least since it's kinda similar? This game is all about the PVP and i guesse i just don't understand what the fuss was over Cruma.
Nerfing the real gear drops and making it where they don't drop anymore is a nerf that should be addressed and fixed before they waste time on anymore server merges .