Well, I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but... can you guys guess what tyrant totem is gonna be nerfed in next update?
(some other totems get changed to counter this nerf, but nothing major)
I'll give you a hint, it starts with B and isn't Bear Totem.
Lasts 1 min. Reuse 10 mins.
Considering frenzy was nerfed, it was only to be expected...
Well, I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but... can you guys guess what tyrant totem is gonna be nerfed in next update?
(some other totems get changed to counter this nerf, but nothing major)
I'll give you a hint, it starts with B and isn't Bear Totem.
Lasts 1 min. Reuse 10 mins.
Considering frenzy was nerfed, it was only to be expected...
Nothing to fear. I'm sure, with full buff it will be okay.
Anyway, under regular exp you use Hawk because your HP shouldn't be always <30%.
Attack Speed doesn't affect skill cooldown, so you can't equip a Risk Haste or Haste weapon and speed up the reuse. You need reuse buffs for that, the the SWS reuse buff was nerfed down to 20% from 30%. If the Reuse is static at 10 minutes O.o That will be a bit rough...
You will still have at least 4 minutes of downtime on Bison if it is 1 minute duration. That's assuming you can even get it down to 5 minute reuse from 10 (Frint, SWS, ES, Augmentation (nerfed also, IIRC), dunno of anything else...).
Why would anyone use Hawk over Bison for regular XP, unless they were tanking mobs that hit hard as hell or multiple mobs at a time?
Do I still have a while before this takes effect? Want to make 76 before I lose the use of Bison.
Nothing to fear. I'm sure, with full buff it will be okay.
Anyway, under regular exp you use Hawk because your HP shouldn't be always <30%.
Why shouldn't I pve at 1/3 hp? My crit rate goes to 500 which makes it so I can kill fast and make money. If I pve with Hawk only it takes me longer and more shots to kill each mob. Not much different than a SH'er using CDL.
Attack Speed doesn't affect skill cooldown, so you can't equip a Risk Haste or Haste weapon and speed up the reuse. You need reuse buffs for that, the the SWS reuse buff was nerfed down to 20% from 30%. If the Reuse is static at 10 minutes O.o That will be a bit rough...
You will still have at least 4 minutes of downtime on Bison if it is 1 minute duration. That's assuming you can even get it down to 5 minute reuse from 10 (Frint, SWS, ES, Augmentation (nerfed also, IIRC), dunno of anything else...).
Why would anyone use Hawk over Bison for regular XP, unless they were tanking mobs that hit hard as hell or multiple mobs at a time?
that's not true, attack speed does effect melee skill reuse timer. Cast spd also effects Spell reuse timer. though in this case I dont' think it will effect the totem reuse... :/
that's not true, attack speed does effect melee skill reuse timer. Cast spd also effects Spell reuse timer. though in this case I dont' think it will effect the totem reuse... :/
He is talking about changes in next update (gracia final).
that's not true, attack speed does effect melee skill reuse timer. Cast spd also effects Spell reuse timer. though in this case I dont' think it will effect the totem reuse... :/
In the next patch your attack/casting speed won't affect skill re-use timer.
bison is great and safe for exp up to 78. after that the mobs are made significantly harder due to magic crits and sparadic spawn rates, (great to fend off bots) therefore the high lvl grind is more suited for hawk and bison as a fail-safe.
btw, what are the changes to the other totems? is bison changed in effectivness since its reuse is being upped?
Well, I hate to be the bringer of bad news, but... can you guys guess what tyrant totem is gonna be nerfed in next update?
(some other totems get changed to counter this nerf, but nothing major)
I'll give you a hint, it starts with B and isn't Bear Totem.
Lasts 1 min. Reuse 10 mins.
Considering frenzy was nerfed, it was only to be expected...
i just been all over Bluh forum, and i dont see where you read this. can you please provide a link?
essentially what GraciaFinal brings is balancing out between Cast time and reuse time for almost all skills, but as i said i havent seen anything that says bison's nerfed in such a manner as a fixed 10min reuse.
if it means reuse timer is no longer affected by atk speed, then youll have a fixed 1:45 second reuse, leaving it still perma-bisonable, but within a very very narrow margin of error.
i too have not been able to find this info anywhere on the final notes from other sites. so if someone can post a link would really apreciate it. all i can see is that they are taking away the 81 skills and moving them thru lvl 83 (which is messed up since the current motivation to lvl to 81 is for some skills which will now be lvl 83 skills). all i see is that gk's get 30 seconds of +30% pvp power (81 i think) and a skill which fully charges force (81 as well i think)
This is a large nerf indeed. Bison being reduced from 2min to 1min and having a reuse of 9minutes basically makes it an emergency totem. therefore it's effects should be boosted to accomadate these changes. Also the OP said that other totems were changed. What changes were these exactly?
well it sucks for pve, thats for sure. but having the negative effects of the other totems removed! running around with ogre with +30% m/pdef is huge for oly! also, rabit now increases attack speed and run speed without lowering pattack! are u insane!? that is going to make tyrant hella good in oly. they are so so now. with this update tyrants are going to be a completely different pvp class. wonder what the new tattoo settup is going to be?
personally i am excited for this. lvling will be fun cause each totem will have to be used consecutivly to live. fun stuff.
from what i can tell on bleh, in the last 10 minutes of skimming threads, it seems these changes are almost 100% accurate, but now its rumored that KR will tone down these changes to make them less harsh than they are now.
btw, someone on bleh said Ogre is 30s reuse not 5 mins.
imo, this update will only hurt the unlegits who use the tyrant as their front man. if they are in an area that they need bison+vr to live they will be foreced to move to an easier spot. while a live player would have no problem cycling totems to clear the same area with ease.
now if only they update puma bear and wolf so they also serve a purpose... so far all i have read that they are not touched.
you forget something important ... with 1 minute duration we will get a dps loss due reactivating also, and bison as an emergency totem is useless cause with the current casting speed you would be dead until it triggers ... this might be a boost for pvp but for PVE it throws the tyrant behind the bounty hunter in dps and its much harder and most annoying to play now. dont tell me i shouldnt QQ, i play tyrant since the very beginning of the game (prelude) and im just wondering why they kill something NOW that has been working for more then 3 chronicles now. if that change would have been so urgent they would have changed it much earlier ... its all about that new reuse thingie (i hate btw) and readjusting every character. if you ask me (what you wouldnt do) we are going in the world of lolcraft direction... skill skill skill... but what they really forget about that point is that we have the grind. wow doesnt have the grind. and for those of us that play legit all the way we ain't 85 yet. we need still to kill trilliards of mobs, and i dont want to switch my totem every minute, i would be totally exhausted in the end of an evening and didnt get any advantage of it because we are just FORCED to switch totems now which doesnt bring any benefit to me.
if this update rly makes this game WoW like pvp (spamming skills all the way) and therefor harder pve - i ' d rather go over there, they have less cheating.
Well it seems Gracia is bringing a continous supply of bad news
Toggles kills mp rapidly
SB's can no longer root RB (ray of hope closed)
catacomb mobs are no longer trainable(bot saver)
Prophets are only class who can't solo effieciently due to lack of inquisitor
magic mobs can 1 shot
no full item drops except from RB whose drops were nerf a while ago
Skill reuse if unaffected by attk/cast speed so skills are slower and heavy effects onSPS, tyrant, glad, and messes with everyone else.
Tryants got nerfed with totems
Necros, SK, BD, WK got nerfed with anchor, lightening strike, medusa dance, and para cubic
Nuker casting order has been shattered
300 elemental S is going to demolish
WC got ww, Prophets are officially dead
OL got really boosted, thats good and bad
The depression is here, let there be light in CT3. :(
i been a tyrant since c3 which is before prelude so i know what a tyrant is capable of and i know what all the totems do very well. there is no other class in the game like a tyrant and it is draining to have to keep clicking up a totem, if u dont like it reroll. these changes are a big boost to lvl 80+ gk's since bison is not used for exp at these lvls and is used as a safty net anyways. high lvl gks use hawk to exp cause we are grinding with other players and bd, sws, bish, dc is a must for high end grind and being in a group like that and needing to stay at 60 or 30% hp is suicide and will drive your healer crazy, not to mention the magic crits for 10-12k. with the boosts to rabit and ogre and hawk GK's will prevail just fine. if you are not at those lvls.....sucks to be u... grind with rabit and eat up those shots.
btw. im thinking focus fists and stock tats...possibly -str +dex +con to take advantage of the evasion with rabit...
Well this isn't the first nurf we have been through. I use to love being able to swich totems to give myself a nice lil self heal. But that was nurfed a long time back. I guess I can live with this one too. But I can see it forcing me to go back and play my BH for 4 days so I can pay for my shots use over the weekend.
Ray of hope? For who? Those people wanting easy RB's? I guess, but it did jack to the SB. In fact it was a VAST improvement. Gracia in general in fact has been nothing but a dream for SB's. If there was one bad thing it was the damage range on spells (rapiers suck). Even the 'locked' & reduced re-use is a good thing for SB's. Zerker's for instance already had locked skills anyway.
All good imo. Also my SK is loving all the 'Knight' updates. Anyone relying on LS to save them in pvp was kidding themselves. Para in general was an order of magnitude too strong anyways. Nukers will have to use more than one button to kill people. Daggers are finally getting balance attention (as dubious as it is).
There is bad for sure (attribute crazyness/common drops) but there is far more good imo.
PS: That rabbit totem change looks suspiciously good.
if you would have read my post in detail you would have noticed that i didnt complain about bison nerf. i hate the hawk nerf. if you would know lineage2 better, you would know that PRE lude C0,5 (not INTER lude C6!) was the version that came out short time of korean beta.
Yes, im playing on HB and im playing in parties. why should they take a tyrant with them if they lack in DPS now ???
@ Taz I know what you mean... good ol times, tyrant duo was most effektive :) no catacombs back then.
Well it seems Gracia is bringing a continous supply of bad news
Toggles kills mp rapidly
SB's can no longer root RB (ray of hope closed)
catacomb mobs are no longer trainable(bot saver)
Prophets are only class who can't solo effieciently due to lack of inquisitor
magic mobs can 1 shot
no full item drops except from RB whose drops were nerf a while ago
Skill reuse if unaffected by attk/cast speed so skills are slower and heavy effects onSPS, tyrant, glad, and messes with everyone else.
Tryants got nerfed with totems
Necros, SK, BD, WK got nerfed with anchor, lightening strike, medusa dance, and para cubic
Nuker casting order has been shattered
300 elemental S is going to demolish
WC got ww, Prophets are officially dead
OL got really boosted, thats good and bad
The depression is here, let there be light in CT3. :(
REJOICE!!! DA IS IMBA!!!
finally DA gets panther skills. panther silent move, panther OH skill, panther Dark wepon buff, Panther Cancel skill
its like 15 secs of spd, attk spd, cast spd, slow then the petrify. Which gives you enough time to BSOE and end up in town frozen.
Player A: Necromancer?
Player B: yep
Player A: another day, another guy petrified in town.
I know what Anchor does, I don't care though. I don't gank cause I don't like wasting time looking for people. In group/mass PvP Bishops have nerves that cause them to instantly cure Anchor with Purify or Cleanse unless they are being killed/attacked. It'll probably last 5 seconds before a good Bishop gets rid of it, if that long.
I asked what they did to Medusa, which is not a Paralysis but listed in your post....
my bad about the PRElude/INTERlude mixup. we wont know how bad the dps goes down on the tyrant till it comes out, i dont think it is going to hurt too badly at all, but nontheless, it could turn out to be a very bad thing. the reuse stuff and not being able to chain key totems is going to suck badly.
I know what Anchor does, I don't care though. I don't gank cause I don't like wasting time looking for people. In group/mass PvP Bishops have nerves that cause them to instantly cure Anchor with Purify or Cleanse unless they are being killed/attacked. It'll probably last 5 seconds before a good Bishop gets rid of it, if that long.
I asked what they did to Medusa, which is not a Paralysis but listed in your post....
Again, how did they change Dance of Medusa?
You dance, everyone who gets hit moves real slow, they all turn and spam skills on you and then use the remaining seconds to bsoe then they turn into statues for a moment and then break out nice and dandy
imo it should be a petrify then you slowly come out of it.
they basically turned it into the arbelestor gradual petrification
Wow, that really sucks about Medusa. Not only does NCSoft absolutely refuse to give the BD any statistical/skill updates, but they go and nerf one of their few remaining decent PVP moves. (Don't forget about the ninja nerf they gave to hex a few updates ago).
Anyway, I'm not here to QQ about BD, I have a question about tyrants. How terrible is a tyrant in maj light?
I am thinking about subbing one, but I REALLY just wanna use the armour I have already. Is a tyrant absolutely worthless in maj light? (obviously the preferable armour is DC, or even NM), but will a tyrant be playable/decent dps in maj as well? Obviously not best armour, but still decent?
I plan to go for a drac set next, so it may end up being in drac eventually, but I know A-grade lasts a pretty long time...
I posted a reply, and it didn't actually go through... Hrm.
Well, anyways, NCSoft is trying to kill these skills. They won't actually remove them, but they will nerf them hard enough that they are not practical to use. They did it with Sleep/Sleeping Cloud, they did it with Aura Flare (for PvP), and they are doing it with these skills.
It's really too bad. Tyrant was the first toon that i really enjoyed playing QQ. I'd reroll to a Destroyer but figured they're gonna take away 2H sword skills and his poling ability sooner or later. Seems only fair.
I might reroll to a pp cause they can't help but get some love....eventually...maybe...somehow.
Tyrant is the most fun class to play, but with the changes listed in this thread it makes it more desireble to play a Gladiator
Problem is...what do i do with the 4 DG recipes i bought. (bought 4 cause of my great luck with 60% crafts).
Now i need either 450 SoP for the B grade (please don't fail) and duel craft stamp for A
I think the focus duals will be way better than the health ones now...so glad i didn't craft. Imagine all those health SAs going down the drain (lvl12 soul crystals aren't exactly cheap)....ouch.
I posted a reply, and it didn't actually go through... Hrm.
Well, anyways, NCSoft is trying to kill these skills. They won't actually remove them, but they will nerf them hard enough that they are not practical to use. They did it with Sleep/Sleeping Cloud, they did it with Aura Flare (for PvP), and they are doing it with these skills.
I agree with trensharo. It seems instead of balancing out other skills to match, they just take the skill and make it near useless which makes it dead weight in the skill point department.
if you really think about it, good A grade spots have some sparsed Strong mobs, eg in FOTD the 2 giants and the windshackley guy. or the vampires. if you tiimed it right you could hunt with Rabbit for 5 minutes, then hunt those bigger mobs for 1 minute, and switch back.
given rabbit = 30% atk speed and puma = 20% ...
i'd say exping with rabbit (+12 evasion!) should be a lot less risky than hunting with Puma. and where applicable - Ogre for major pdef/mdef/patk boosts.
if you really think about it, good A grade spots have some sparsed Strong mobs, eg in FOTD the 2 giants and the windshackley guy. or the vampires. if you tiimed it right you could hunt with Rabbit for 5 minutes, then hunt those bigger mobs for 1 minute, and switch back.
given rabbit = 30% atk speed and puma = 20% ...
i'd say exping with rabbit (+12 evasion!) should be a lot less risky than hunting with Puma. and where applicable - Ogre for major pdef/mdef/patk boosts.
if you really think about it, good A grade spots have some sparsed Strong mobs, eg in FOTD the 2 giants and the windshackley guy. or the vampires. if you tiimed it right you could hunt with Rabbit for 5 minutes, then hunt those bigger mobs for 1 minute, and switch back.
given rabbit = 30% atk speed and puma = 20% ...
i'd say exping with rabbit (+12 evasion!) should be a lot less risky than hunting with Puma. and where applicable - Ogre for major pdef/mdef/patk boosts.
its like a giant step to the left.
I want some of whatever you're smoking....wait i think mines better. H.sh Brownies :p
Spud..i tip my hat...only you could come up with this...lol. There's a "black hole "to the left wheeeeeeeeeeeee!
if you really think about it, good A grade spots have some sparsed Strong mobs, eg in FOTD the 2 giants and the windshackley guy. or the vampires. if you tiimed it right you could hunt with Rabbit for 5 minutes, then hunt those bigger mobs for 1 minute, and switch back.
given rabbit = 30% atk speed and puma = 20% ...
i'd say exping with rabbit (+12 evasion!) should be a lot less risky than hunting with Puma. and where applicable - Ogre for major pdef/mdef/patk boosts.
its like a giant step to the left.
A Tyrant may have high and good attack speed that is good for the VR, but with the low crit rate you will be burning alot more shots than a dagger. 45 crit rate isn't exactly something to be happy about.
Now i need either 450 SoP for the B grade (please don't fail) and duel craft stamp for A
The process in making duals never fail.
I think the focus duals will be way better than the health ones now...so glad i didn't craft. Imagine all those health SAs going down the drain (lvl12 soul crystals aren't exactly cheap)....ouch.
You don't need soul crystals to put SA on duals. What you need is 4 weapon enchant scrolls and make them +4 to get the SA.
A Tyrant may have high and good attack speed that is good for the VR, but with the low crit rate you will be burning alot more shots than a dagger. 45 crit rate isn't exactly something to be happy about.
critrate shmit rate. chalk it up to the cost of pve. now it happens that i still use Puma (even at 71, in blazing swamp, no health SA) and can handle swinging 3 more times at a mob to kill it.
the only thing that irks me however is the inherent inability to use other weapons with totems. no more orcher, this make Spud Mad.
critrate shmit rate. chalk it up to the cost of pve. now it happens that i still use Puma True, but then again you're probably the worst tyr out there. Check out what you've written about bison, armors, weapons, etc. when you were 5x. Seroiusly - get 78 and then start giving advices and judgements...
True, but then again you're probably the worst tyr out there. Check out what you've written about bison, armors, weapons, etc. when you were 5x. Seroiusly - get 78 and then start giving advices and judgements...
tyue. now as a solo tyrant (meaning herbs only, and no OOP anything) i cannot follow the advices given by others to exp. theres no way in hell the few (very few) buffers and healers in the clan i am in will stay out of party for the benefit of my exp. especially in higher-level-than-the buffer areas.
so sorry, but i am not the worst tyrant. i happen the be only slow at pve cause i dont have buffers.
You don't need soul crystals to put SA on duals. What you need is 4 weapon enchant scrolls and make them +4 to get the SA.
Actually i was talking about those that got health on their DG. They would have had to use a level 12 crystal that gave them health. I imagine they will take that off and go for something else...if infact this is true about Bison and Hawk..
Currently i'm low level and i have 56 pp buffs and just don't get any crits at all :(
Actually i was talking about those that got health on their DG. They would have had to use a level 12 crystal that gave them health. I imagine they will take that off and go for something else...if infact this is true about Bison and Hawk..
Currently i'm low level and i have 56 pp buffs and just don't get any crits at all :(
If this changes gameplay for tyrants as much as I understand... well, that's nasty, but dedicated class players will just adapt. I hope.
Off course we will adapt...
Instead killing 40+XP mobs i will back to hunt 10k-14k in fotd, instead of saving a few adenas (something like 1kk hour), i will need to spend 25% more S shots cause the only crap i have is speed!!!
Go go with the nerf but give us the Sub to main i will prefer to play a F****** lol sorcerer instead a LoL Tyrant getting jokes from all the FS in game.
The top ****** think is the way its announced like after 5 years they figure the totems where not working as they should be!!!!!
Nerf the best things Tyrants have but at least boost the crappy accuracy and add more dmg to the fists, other way anyone playing a tyrant in S grade will laught with the ig advertises about no buying adena or simple will reroll like i will if this will end as being listed.
Go go make more crap for daggers and archers only them receive things cronicle after cronicle if no love to the other classes give orcs a bow class.
First after playing Warlord for two years they nerfed everything possible and impossible, ammount of mobs p/train, Revival skill, no more trains in the best places to pole (FOG, AL, all the catacombs!!!), or you can train like making pew pew pew to 15 mobs then if your lucky having a close room not occupied by some sort of things* who never talk, never stop in a day or night, and when they die they stay on the ground probably waiting for a brez i dunno, but if they in waiting for brez mode or simple in vacations from that room your a lucky one, pew pew pew and other 15 mobs!!!
Now after leaving my lovely warlord just to remember about all the ppl i helped level, the fun we got doing insane trains, they nerf my second option.
Tyrants lose ability to use a pole at the end of C4, stick to fists forever...
Now all this, and in the end theres ppl who say i complain a lot...
Yeh...
* - Don't Pk those things or flag on them cause if you end losing any gear XP or whatever you lose the only answer you receive is a package saying there is ways to prevent itens lost in game like i received, too bad nobody seen how its exploited that.
Oh wait a minute auto target was introduced by Nc so its not a exploit!!!
Understandable pov. I wonder why they don't realize that they change the game way to much at this point in time, they're changing the game to its core for some classes in regards to the way they play and evolve...
I have no idea, if they carry on this road and ravage more classes and frack up more well established (4+ years already ??)... they're going on the road to h... you know.
i would like to see some major changes to daggers and nukers.
Aren't they allowing 300 element on weapons AND armor? Nukers will go back to lower damage than they had before element stones. I have no idea what dual daggers are going to do... I don't think they need to get any better though, at least not 78+ ones.
Not your bad...i didn't explain myself adaquately. My only excuse is that i was truely in shock. I mean really this is unbelieveable.
The only reason i built one (or was trying to) is because i heard they were the best for killing bots.
Now i'm gonna have a guy that hits for 200/300 and has 7/8k hit points. I should be lots of fun for Archers to pick away at....just hope they don't laugh when i finally catch up to them....that would really hurt my feelings :( QQ !!11! QQ TT QQ
I dont see a nerf here... Ofc full epic tyrant wount be able to solo RB's after update, but for most tyrants it's quite big boost. Ogre - no speed penalty, rabit - not p atk penalty... Those totems are going to be quite imba for pvp. This update increases tyrants survival by a lot.
You have any idea how mutch cost a tyrant can go using regular totems?
Bison you save a lot of adena killing them ofc i can kill the same mobs without it, but takes more time, cant kill the same lvl mobs i use to xp and takes longer to kill, if all this crap is about ppl soloing bosses what should be done was giving some AI to them and not nerf players, the Raids on this game are a joke if you have certain classes with some end buffs, but players have nothing to do with that is the RB concept who is completly wrong, one of the great things on the games is the Raids specially Epic ones but here all are the same, just change the lvl, atk type, resistances, and all AI the boss have is to get random agro without any point why it appen.
I just see i pick the wrong classes all the time, did u see archers and daggers complaining?
How many archers you see with pvp or pve problems?
The problem is not with the classes, the new devs are screwing the game thats it, the lol archer class pew F1 pew F2 run run pew pew F3 keep ok the daggers still can kill everyone at least those have a lot of skills...
PVE was completly nerfed, why you see lots and lots of players botting and even more giving up and start doing the same, today i got one more out of the clan for being caught using it, the reasons are lots of nerfs in classes who cant xp like they where doing it for like 5 years!!!
OFC the new devs found they where not working as intended after 5 YEARS, then they offer a vitallity system but the mob drops value are decreased.
The game is slowly walking to into a bad way imo, you see few ppl getting ban, i undersand they cant just arrive and plufft all gone, but they can see who in fact is doing it or not, or why some Epics are a joke and nobody can do them cause they keep getting farmed to sell for insane amounts of real money or adena, the game have no policy to aply the eula in almost all points work on that clean the game discourage ppl to try 3rd party progs or whatever they want to call it, dont add just a button to report and nothing else, we still see gold sellers shouting in general chat porting around towns 24/7, we still receive some in pm, we still see shops in auto mode shouting over and over even after they dont have anything else to sell, etc. etc.
I reported for two times a anoying guy who is shouting in giran to sell two hats for like more than one week, off course that will be check, but the guy still there shouting every 3 minutes the same thing over and over!
Work on that, work on the Raids to make them a great challenge, clean forever Epic farmers, but stop screwing the classes!
FYI gumble this is the 2nd MAJOR totem overhaul tyrants have seen. it USED to be a lot crazier. Bison's effect used to be full effect at 60%. Ogre used to have BUILT IN battle roar (with heal HP).
today's tyrants have adapted the first time to the change, now this change by comparison really only changes how you set your party up - thats all.
Im not talking about the previous effect of Bison in fact the way it was changed for pve was pretty good having full effect would make me refill back and lose it the actual effect let me keep leveling for hours around 40% up to 50% only in danger situations i let it go down to get the boost and turn Zealot if need. With the full effect that's not possible unless you dont have VR or yoy remove it, but if you using Bison to keep it on the starter effect you probably fight hard mobs the type you can't do without VR.
So the way i see the previous change was a refinement on the skill, my party is always me and a Warcryer, sometimes are SE's too but usuall is a warcryer, my main reason using Bison is for faster kill and less Shots consumption, when you pay 900k for one S shot i think you care about it, at least i care and many other ppl care, dadly sold my A fists to pay faster to the friends who lend me fo afford the S ones otherway i would be using them.
You know how we pve, you know how the comsume of the shots p/buff can be.
i was thinking about this today before my final...
lvl 80 tyrant with rabbit giving +run speed to catch anyone, +30% attack speed (more than puma) and +12 evasion with no pattack penalty...skills may refresh at a fixed rate but will still cast quicker with attack speed...its gonna be omg fantastic! no more rabbit/cripple/switch totem...
not to mention clicking on/off totems without stopping!!!! my god, this will make tyrants great for mass pvp! might make +dex viable for the extra evasion.
Well congrats NCsoft... you made my sps/tyrant toon ***** useless.. ill most likley quit after this update.......
thanks for ruining the game and the classes i love
SpS - has more skills than any other mage... Now you'll have a chance to use them.
Tyrant - what kind of ner you're talking about? Any1 who thinks a litle see a boost here. Ofc it will hurt pve part, but in pvp it's a great boost.
I guess tyrant is pretty screwed up but sps is still rocking, dunno why you complain so much my fellow elf mage
because casting speed no longer effects re-use time that means we will attack just as fast as a SH does.. and it hits way harder... casting speed is our only friend :(
SpS - has more skills than any other mage... Now you'll have a chance to use them.
Tyrant - what kind of ner you're talking about? Any1 who thinks a litle see a boost here. Ofc it will hurt pve part, but in pvp it's a great boost.
well.. i think its really lame the nerfed the re-use on totems.. i mean 1 min on orge and 5 min re-use.. same for hawk.. common now .. 10m for bison WTH?? i wouldnt complain is orge was chainable ;)
SpS - has more skills than any other mage... Now you'll have a chance to use them.
Tyrant - what kind of ner you're talking about? Any1 who thinks a litle see a boost here. Ofc it will hurt pve part, but in pvp it's a great boost.
I don't PvP so for me it's a huge nerf since I only PvE
I don't PvP so for me it's a huge nerf since I only PvE
For PvP u need to PvE first...
Thats the reason of my post, if all Tyrants where already 78 or 80 all would be happy but lower level ones the best Totem for PvE was Bison good way to level and saving some adena compared to the ones who <3 the speed and end up wasting 25% SS more, off course theres always ppl who dont care about SS cost, but im not one of those...
Or maybe NcSoft will offer a: jump to level 80 lollipop [?]
sps - has more skills than any other mage... Now you'll have a chance to use them.
Tyrant - what kind of ner you're talking about? Any1 who thinks a litle see a boost here. Ofc it will hurt pve part, but in pvp it's a great boost.
I'm sorry, but if you can't afford soulshots, you wouldn't be using bison anyway. It requires careful setup, boxed buffers, and lots of multiple HP mobs, and even then, you die a lot. It really isn't THAT useful until 74 and up... when you have enough HP not to die in two seconds.
If you are going to tell me you have enough money to get top A by 68 with the correct tat setup and boxed buffers, but you can't afford A-SS, I'm going to call you a liar, or a bad spender.
I'm sorry, but if you can't afford soulshots, you wouldn't be using bison anyway. It requires careful setup, boxed buffers, and lots of multiple HP mobs, and even then, you die a lot. It really isn't THAT useful until 74 and up... when you have enough HP not to die in two seconds.
If you are going to tell me you have enough money to get top A by 68 with the correct tat setup and boxed buffers, but you can't afford A-SS, I'm going to call you a liar, or a bad spender.
Now now....not all of us are rich. Some of us have a problem of helping out others and clan before ourself. Or atleast I do.
I had np using Bison starting at lvl 68 and working my way all the way up to 75 so far. Not top A-grade but I do have a box (68 WC'er). WoA worked out to be a great place for me to xp and keep my hp at 1/3 (no hp SA on my weapon). And yes you die from time to time, but not all that bad. I am at lvl 75 still with low A-grade and doing good grinding my way to 76.
Here is the point. With bison on, a tyrant can probably kill faster than any toon in the game, and it's cheaper. It got nerfed, it's going to slow down your XP and your money. It was needed though. It's like you people are getting mad over having to deal with what every other melee toon (minus destroyer) has had to deal with for years.
I'm sorry, but if you can't afford soulshots, you wouldn't be using bison anyway. It requires careful setup, boxed buffers, and lots of multiple HP mobs, and even then, you die a lot. It really isn't THAT useful until 74 and up... when you have enough HP not to die in two seconds.
If you are going to tell me you have enough money to get top A by 68 with the correct tat setup and boxed buffers, but you can't afford A-SS, I'm going to call you a liar, or a bad spender.
Who needs boxed buffers when I can party a live one?
btw what does a boxed buffer have to do with affording shots?
If you die you just rez up and it doesn't have to be a brez (SP is good to have)
You don't need top A to use bison...common a grade armor and b grade fist with health is enough...heck with a live buffer it would work even in plated leather.
and again what has a boxed buffer to do with not being able to afford shots? ng devotion set with common jewels and a mystrious sword if you want acumen (any ng weapon if you don't need it) is more than enough if your boxed buffer never gets agro.
You don't need top A to use bison...common a grade armor and b grade fist with health is enough...heck with a live buffer it would work even in plated leather.
Only A and S grade fist weapons have health SA. And if you plan on using plated leather at 68 and higher while your hp is 1/3 for Bison you best have a fast healer or plan on making a lot of SP.
I'm sorry, but if you can't afford soulshots, you wouldn't be using bison anyway. It requires careful setup, boxed buffers, and lots of multiple HP mobs, and even then, you die a lot. It really isn't THAT useful until 74 and up... when you have enough HP not to die in two seconds.
If you are going to tell me you have enough money to get top A by 68 with the correct tat setup and boxed buffers, but you can't afford A-SS, I'm going to call you a liar, or a bad spender.
I was in WOA for a long time with NM + DG with sE buffs, when i hit 72 i got Health on Fists and changed the NM to DC and started soloing TOI 10 with just a WC 62, my ammount of deaths was not more than 3/week, if the way i spend my SS is bad on those Angels tell me what mobs you hunt!!!
The Angels still able to do without Bison, but the time it takes for one and the ammount of hits is completly different, go there and try instead blaming on boards, do it with Bison and without Bison check the adena drops, and after come call me crazy
And before calling liar to anyone look at yourself, i was always killing light Red mobs minimum, i dont need more than a WC and some haste pots if i need to run fast, thats my setup and it took 2 seconds to build the time i need to type /invite
i wtb a solo exp zone for 71-76, then 76-80. buffless. please include armor choice, and preferred weapon.
i have no buffer and CBA to invite one.
Without Buffs did you try FOTD? I have no idea how can be without buffs, but i think you can give it a try.
I tested few different setups on my Tyrant with some clan ppl armor, and my end choice fall on NM Light, more pdef few VR bonus, Maj Jewels and DG+Health that was my setup till i started doing TOI and changed to DC Light, on TOI almost everything do magic so DC bonus fits there better but that with WC perma buffed.
When i was doing the Bandersnatch place with NM i was with SE 52 buffs, only for few times i would need a heal, on DC there i would need a heal every 4 mobs, but on TOI using NM was really hard keep the Bison, so swithed to DC and the problem ended.
I think this give you a idea of the difference of the two sets, i tryed my wife Tallum Heavy but didnt like imo Tyrants should stay in light and avoid heavy sets.
BTW My tat set +5con +4str -9dex
But i always add a buffer with me or in my party so i feel a few lost on the best advice, fotd is a idea since you have weak mobs near the port place, imo at least if your clan get a fort on a good place you can get those buffs and xp near :/
Uhhh, ok? My Tyrant makes more money than my nuker does when I hunt with Bison... a LOT more. In fact, my nuker loses money when she hunts. I have PP and SE buffs for tyrant when I play her, and I have that + pow + dances for my nuker, yet still, I lose money. Does nobody see a problem here? Nukers are one of the cheaper classes to level.
This was a needed nerf. Tyrant has been the only class that could solo places like pagan, IT and mos with just a prophet or warcryer, all other dds needed bd and/or sws to come even close a tyrants dps.
The new stuff in Gracia final, 300 element (+30% more dmg from 150), Ultimate Secret 81 skill (+30% pvp dmg), and being able to enchant blaster, hurricane assault, burst and storm for element would just be crazy dmg with the old Bison so they had to nerf it.
If 150-300 isn't mega hard to get and you change to focus SA and get the +30 crit rate sub passive you will be able to solo catacombs and maybe pagan anteroom at least, but definitely no more 16M+/hour chapel/IT soloing.
im looking forward to my boost. i should make it to 76 fairly quickly now.
I understand you but i suggest you find some WC to lvl with, you going into a level where XP start to be hard no buffed, and higher places no buffed forget it. So try to find some lonelly buffer to party with a WC is the best imo but all buffer can do it specially when you played so many time by your own.
Im used to be always in Yellow / Light Red Mobs but full buffed all the time, not always with the best buffer but always with some...