Hi,
I make this post just wondering why NC doesn't make the game equal for players.
How easy is to farm wind stones from water dragons at chromatic's?
Not easy at all,you need at least a full pt 78+,and don't forget the drop rate isn't 100%.
And btw we talk about attribute stones,like fire and divines,but......oh,wait,fire and divines can be obtained by just killing some easy mobs while you xp.
And that leads us to this:wind stone price has 10x the price of a fire stone and at 76+lvl,most of the players have full attribute.
Why it has to be so difficult for a StS,to have full attribute?....oh,i see.....i have to drop 500 fire stone(1 month grinding in IoP?) just for buy 50wind stone....and the success of them bestowing elemental value?
The harder they are to get, goes both ways. Harder to get means there is a smaller amount of players who even have wind resist. It's fair and balanced as is.
How easy is to farm wind stones from water dragons at chromatic's?
Not easy at all,you need at least a full pt 78+,and don't forget the drop rate isn't 100%.
Dont find farming wind stones that difficult , me and my friend can easily duo there. You just need right classes.
I thought they dropped in Chromatic? If farming Water Dragons is the only way to get a somewhat decent drop rate (relatively speaking), then they need to do something about that.
yes
and as i said in another thread i don't feel bad for SH in the slightest, my class requires 4 different weapons just to be competent and while only one of them has to be earth (equal to wind) all 4 of them should be either wind or earth for best effect
The harder they are to get, goes both ways. Harder to get means there is a smaller amount of players who even have wind resist. It's fair and balanced as is.
That argument kinda falters over a longer time frame though. After a while many ppl have the wind resist, but its still hard to farm. Where as fire and water is still easy now and probably will be then too.
Not saying people have to have stuff handed to them, but they should have achievable means to get it. Killing Water Dragons for Wind Stones is pretty el-oh-el.
Actually, L2 has always been like this. Why are we so surprised? In order to get your grade mats and things that enhance your weapon/armor, you have always had to hunt in higher areas. How many times have I heard that people didn't get their armor/weapon until they were way into their grade? It's the way Lineage 2 was and always has been designed.
Do you know that mats for Nightmare and Majestic light drop there at Chimeras? Even in the Steel Citadel towers we have to wade through all those stupid Mithril arrows. If you have a Soul Bow and need those arrows while you are hunting in this area, you are gonna last about 2 minutes. Oh, there are shining arrows that drop there. Whoop de do.
I will agree that there should be an area of Hellbound where the nukers have a place to hunt, since it is the only place where you can farm these items. But... that is what subs are for, I guess that must be the way the Dev's were thinking.
It does balance out Smittie. For a while, SpS and Sorc dominated in the nuker group, then everyone got water/fire resist, while the SHs were getting their wind stones. Now the SHs have all 150 wind weapons, and wind stones are STILL very expensive, because they are still hard to farm, so nobody has wind resists. Honestly, if anything it is what is making SH the best of the 3 nukers right now... that and empowering echo (not including necro in that). SH will probably dominate for much longer than SpS or Sorc will, because there are so many SpS and Sorc, and fighters with water and fire weapons.
I will agree that there should be an area of Hellbound where the nukers have a place to hunt, since it is the only place where you can farm these items. But... that is what subs are for, I guess that must be the way the Dev's were thinking.
There is an area where nukers can get stones, even including wind stones. It's not Chimera or Steel Citadel though :D
Is not about your lvl and the grade of equipment you need.
Is totally understood that for S grade armors & weapons you have to hunt in a high lvl mobs and raids and that because S grade are considered as the best equip.
Here we talk about elemental stones,wind stones don't give something more than fire stones,they have the same effect:more dmg (even if you haven't a specific skill,like dwarfs).
Is not a problem for my 78lvl sts,to kill water dragons,the problem is that when you hit that mob it spawns fighters and water dragon has about 100k hp(it takes me more than 2 hits to kill him)
Some ppl told me that wind stones are hard to get due to wind attacks are a characteristic of StS, and in addition StS has already the biggest dmg per hit in game(in comparison with other classess)
So, you are basically complaining because you can't solo these things?
Then the answer is simple. Put yourself a party together. Some one has to feed that dragon to keep it alive while you kill the spawned mobs. It's what melee have to do. I don't understand why you don't do it.
The other thing to mention is that it is applicable to S grade, because the elements can only be added to S grade equipment.
Not saying people have to have stuff handed to them, but they should have achievable means to get it. Killing Water Dragons for Wind Stones is pretty el-oh-el.
You have never been able to hunt for topgear/same gear near your lvl in Lineage.
why would you expect it to be any diffrent then the rest of the game?
actually you can pretty easily farm S grade at 76, the recs are easy enough to get and you'd just need a bh to hook you up with some key mats (doesn't even need +1 spoil)
I don't even think HB should be soloable for nukers, but I do think they should have opened up one of the lower areas of HB to level 76+ players and then locked the other parts for level 78+ players. That would have at least giving people a means to get them, without fighting Water Dragons on IoP.
I seriously thought they dropped in Chimera off regular XP MOBs, but I guess they don't.
The price of Wind Stones on a lot of servers is high becuase of the level requirements to hunt on HB in addition to the fact that the area is patrolled and controlled by top clans :)
Nukers being able to hunt in HB won't mean anything unless they have a good group to run with or good 78+ [boxed] support classes.
And you seriously don't think C Grade armor dropped in Kruma Tower, and B Grade Armor didn't drop in Valley of Saints? I got a DC Boot Drop at HS Tents. You can get gear for you level, it's just that there are different levels of gear within grades up to S, where there is just one. It is not our fault that NCSoft was lazy, and doesn't want to retroactively give us any choice in S Grade...
You have never been able to hunt for topgear/same gear near your lvl in Lineage.
why would you expect it to be any diffrent then the rest of the game?
If you couldn't attribute S Grade hardly anyone would wear them. Same with the weapons, they'd just geat OE'd A Grade that cost the same if not less than S Grade weapons.
It has nothing to do with what level you can hunt for them. Don't care about that.
It's about NCSoft adding something into the game to force people to regear their characters, and making it impossible to get it for some players until they're halfway to 80.
Maybe I'm just too much of a realist, but I think that's pretty ******ed when a Sorc or SPS can farm Fire/Water Stones at 74+, but a Necro or SH have to wait until 78+ unless they want to buy them from others.
I seriously thought they dropped in Chimera off regular XP MOBs, but I guess they don't.
Yes, they do drop off of Chimera. All the stones do. As far as I know, the only person that can solo Chimera, though, is someone with the Zariche or Blood Swords.
So, you are basically complaining because you can't solo these things?
Then the answer is simple. Put yourself a party together. Some one has to feed that dragon to keep it alive while you kill the spawned mobs. It's what melee have to do. I don't understand why you don't do it.
The other thing to mention is that it is applicable to S grade, because the elements can only be added to S grade equipment.
forget about water dragons farm. as everybody knows, chromatic is full of bots and they kill Fafurion on sight. if you decide to PK the bots, their owners and protectors from top server allies will appear in no time.
o.O I never had any Fafurions killed by bots. Droprate on Shades is pretty ******ed tho, specially considering you need a good party configuration to take down the Dark Drags.
And no, Elements arent balanced at all. Neither for nuker nor for fighter classes. The resist you get from stones (not possible on DC Robe already) for sure doesnt have the same weight as the damage bonus you get from a 150 element nuke. And Moo, if you take oly-SHs as an example then the counterpart is that any other olyfarmer can get windresist as easily.
I already mentioned it somewhere else, but stones should be exchangeable for ANY other stone at NPCs, maybe with a fee. Other solution would be to make IoP like Chimeraes, add mobs for each element, or even more funny change the element and thus the stonedrop of the mobs in a random order in either a random or a fixed timesequence ^.^
After a little google search,i found out that Chimeras has the best drop rate of wind stones,but 100k hp is a little too much......
I think that best is Scorpions and Sandstorms,less hp and good drop rate also(not like chimeras of course)
Can i solo them with 3600 m.atk , +4 power hurricane and mana gain from my SE?
(i mean sandstorms and scorpions,they don't seem to have any m.def)
Not a chance. Instead of looking to solo for a particular item, perhaps do stuff you can solo, and then buy the wind stones. I never farmed any of the elemental stones on my armors or weapons, but I did farm other items of value to sell, and then buy what I needed.
Ok, look at our server. How many SHs have full wind resist armor? A couple. How many SpSs have full water resist armor? At least 10, including myself... and I'm poor. And don't give me that... well we don't have as many SHs as SpS, that's wrong. There are a ton of SHs out there, they just don't have wind resist on their armor or 150 weapon, so they know they are no match.
And that is in a case where you NEED a resist set to win, imagine how many have wind resist in the field... not many, why? First, it's expensive, and second, nobody has wind on their weapon except SHs... why? It's expensive. Why is it expensive? It's rare.
Whats your point? Nearly all SHs from major clans got full wind, everyone from those clans that want wind res or another wep w full wind got it too. And why would I care who got wind res in the field? My main problem is that I need SE/PP/EE/Emp Echo to make the same dmg on water res mobs than a SE-buffed SpS w full water, that he can farm himself.
Not a chance. Instead of looking to solo for a particular item, perhaps do stuff you can solo, and then buy the wind stones. I never farmed any of the elemental stones on my armors or weapons, but I did farm other items of value to sell, and then buy what I needed.
Lolz
That makes sense for things like... An S Grade armor set. It is too expensive to farm money for Wind Stones. It was said that you need 58 stones on average to get a weapon to 150 Attribute.
On Bartz, Wind Stones are 60M on average. To get a Mace to 150 it would cost: 3,480,000,000 Adena (3.48B Adena - 60M x 58 Stones).
It has been said that you can probably get 1 Fire/Water Stone per hour of cumulative leveling on Isle of Prayer, and they sell for about 10M on Average, but let's just call it 11.5M.
At 11.5M you need approximately 302 Fire/Water stones to sell to make that much Adena. At 1 per 6 hours of cumulative leveling a day, you need about 50 days to farm that many Fire/Water stones to sell and get a Mace to 150 Wind Attribute. That's not accounting for days where you may get nothing, and of course, you can probably do some market play, mat selling, crafting, sell other gear, etc. on the side to make other money to supplement it.
After you're finished with your mace, you need an Arcana Robe Set (or S80) with full Wind Resist on it, so you basically have to farm all the adena over again.
Good Luck.
If you were a Sorc/SPS, you'd have finished attributing you armor/weapon in about 1/5th the time.
We all know the Wind Stones are rare, but the issue is not their rarity. It's the cause of their rarity.
I am personally not doing much Dark on my mace. I am just waiting until my sub gets to 76 so I can put Water on it instead. No thanks to leveling to 78 for something other similar classes can do as low as 74.
That makes sense for things like... An S Grade armor set. It is too expensive to farm money for Wind Stones. It was said that you need 58 stones on average to get a weapon to 150 Attribute.
On Bartz, Wind Stones are 60M on average. To get a Mace to 150 it would cost: 3,480,000,000 Adena (3.48B Adena - 60M x 58 Stones).
It has been said that you can probably get 1 Fire/Water Stone per hour of cumulative leveling on Isle of Prayer, and they sell for about 10M on Average, but let's just call it 11.5M.
At 11.5M you need approximately 302 Fire/Water stones to sell to make that much Adena. At 1 per 6 hours of cumulative leveling a day, you need about 50 days to farm that many Fire/Water stones to sell and get a Mace to 150 Wind Attribute. That's not accounting for days where you may get nothing, and of course, you can probably do some market play, mat selling, crafting, sell other gear, etc. on the side to make other money to supplement it.
After you're finished with your mace, you need an Arcana Robe Set (or S80) with full Wind Resist on it, so you basically have to farm all the adena over again.
Good Luck.
If you were a Sorc/SPS, you'd have finished attributing you armor/weapon in about 1/5th the time.
We all know the Wind Stones are rare, but the issue is not their rarity. It's the cause of their rarity.
I am personally not doing much Dark on my mace. I am just waiting until my sub gets to 76 so I can put Water on it instead. No thanks to leveling to 78 for something other similar classes can do as low as 74.
Quite the argumentative mood. Considering I did Ketra for S Grade armor recs, which cost almost nothing to craft... sold them, and used that money to buy stones. How much do IC Boots, Gloves, Shields and so on cost? It's easy to obtain one recipe every other day... Do that over time? That's simply one way, there is plenty of ways to make adena in this game.
Yes, we have already said SPS and Sorc's would have theirs done long ago, and everyone had their armor resist done for Fire and Water then too, so?
What's next, are you going to say that SH's can't solo Ketra or Varka?
What's next, are you going to say that SH's can't solo Ketra or Varka?
I have done Ketra on Mystic Muse, Soultaker, and Storm Screamer.
So... Can you please tell us what support you use when you are leveling there for that quest.
Do not lie and say you use one 74/76 or whatever Recharger, either. Or some other witty response.
I know better than that. I would prolly do it with the Archer anyways, if I had one at that level, Lol.
Then, you should be able to assume my line of thinking.
I have already stated that there are many other things that can be done to supplement what I have mentioned. I have also said that the effort, time, and Adena requirements are not balanced between the 3 Element/Stone types.
My post had more to do with the amount of work that has to be put into getting that attribute for your armor/mace, when other classes can just go to the HB/Gracia areas and get them as drops off the mobs; or buy them for 1/6th the price from Giran.
I'm not argumentative. I'm just naturally *****y. You should be used to it by now :P The mods aren't, though :(
The harder they are to get, goes both ways. Harder to get means there is a smaller amount of players who even have wind resist. It's fair and balanced as is.
you forgot the pve aspect. currently, 150 attribute sps/sorcs do more damage per nuke and have greater cast speed than average sh with low wind attribute.
It has been said that you can probably get 1 Fire/Water Stone per hour of cumulative leveling on Isle of Prayer, and they sell for about 10M on Average, but let's just call it 11.5M.
you should be so lucky. on teon, fire stones price has reached 5.5M (thanks to the silent farmers) and going down. wind stones price is around 60M.
Jiggie's point is the same as mine. It's easy to get fire/water stones, so it's easy to put on a mace, and it's also easy to put on armor. Same for SH, but it is hard in both cases. In the end it balances out.
At Franz,the fire stones that i farm (xp also in IoP) cost now 4kk and wind 40kk.
I tried to make ally lvl 5 with Varka(killing ketra),so i sell rec S,to buy wind stone,but the problem isn't the raids,you camp one day,farmers and top clans come and that's it!
The problem is.....i can't find mob in Ketra to kill,full pt's run up-down killing any mob that spawns,i can't stay there 2 months just killing 1 mob per 10 min............
I tried to farm orichalcum(cost about 30kk-40kk) but same there,i can't take target a mob,pt's run up-down here too..........
Finally i tried to find info about EARTH stone(-->wind).Mob <<shade>>,has bad drop rate,almost the same drop rate of fire stones at IoP.I have patience.....
But i can't locate them!In a site it seems to be in Chromatic,but i went there,no such a mob...
They are in dungeon?(dark cloud mansion & crystall caverns) Give me a hint or a pm :)
Jiggie's point is the same as mine. It's easy to get fire/water stones, so it's easy to put on a mace, and it's also easy to put on armor. Same for SH, but it is hard in both cases. In the end it balances out.
Lol no it doesnt...damage has a much bigger weight than resist in l2. And once again, not everything is about pvp...
@ jiggie you only have a chance to get a random rec, ketra is moneywaste for sh, better on archer. With 2 archers and boxed pp+bd we're doing 100 molars each in like 2-3h, thats still only 2 chances for getting recs in 3 days.
Yea, that's why I said I'd do it on Archer if I had an Archer that level, instead of the StSc. I know Archers who solo there with fairly minimal support compared to an SH that wants to level there without a lot of downtime/constant BtMing/Heal Pot spamming.
From what I have seen with Devine out in Ketra, it looks like Molars were one of those quest item drop rates increased within the last patch, she nearly gets them 1:1.5 atm, I haven't been out there since before the most recent update.
With 2 archers and boxed pp+bd we're doing 100 molars each in like 2-3h, thats still only 2 chances for getting recs in 3 days.
I get over 100/hour on my tank and I dont have pof/dances. But its still like 6-7 hours for rec (if I had ally lvl5) and prices of recs are going down atm.