Totally CRAP. DIE HIEROPHANTS

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It took me 10 months to get 80m SP. And finally I understand that Spell Turning (79lvl Hierophant skill) IS A CRAP!!!!!
MY God, oh my God.... 30 seconds restore time? 30 SECONDS RESTORE TIME? WHAT IS THIS SKILL FOR? FOR PVP? I CANCEL 1 [CENSORED]NUKER MAGIC SKILL, AND THEN? I DIE!!! I run? I bsoe? WHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT?

Can I use it in Olympiad? HOW NCSOFT? WHO HAS TESTED THAT CRAP? WHY YOU GIVE THIS [CENSORED]TO HIEROPHANTS?

I BLAME MYSELF FOR STILL PLAYING MY TOON. IM LOSING MY TIME. HIEROPHANTS ARE ONLY USEFULL AS BUFBOTS!!!! YOU WANT TO MAKE MORE BOTS AND KILL LEGIT PLAYERS? GIVE MORE [CENSORED]LIKE THIS TO NEXT UPDATES. GO NCSOFT GO!!!!!!
And then Mr purp said to Mrs purp, "....and that's why children should be seen and not heard".
All I read was "Blah, blah, blah, I'm a support class that wants to PVP"

At least I know to keep my SE away from the people with the stabby things and the 'splody things...
Ahhhhhh another satisfied customer......keep up the good work NC :)
lul
that guy is who i consider the best PP i ever met BTW
They will change the re-use timer for most skills in CT2.3 so wait with your crying until you see what the change will turn it into.
He deserves to be ****** imo.

If you level legit and spend all that time and then invest your sp into skill that is less than worthwhile then i would be QQing too. BIG TIME. Especially as a pp...not exactly a DD.
That skill is so horribly useless, it was probably just a sick joke by some developer which accidentally made it into the game. Apart from interrupting somebody who is using some super long casting time skill (does it work on somebody who is casting on a castle?), there is no practical use for it in today's high lvl L2 where every caster is running around with 1000+ casting speed. And even that can be done better by having any DD who also happens to be around just kill that person.
He has a right to be angry. Prophets have really gotten the shaft. Humans are divided, the ultimate healer, and the ultimate buffer. Well thats the idea, except prophets arent the ultimate buffer anymore, and they have little else to offer. Ncsoft needs to up the effectiveness of their attack skills. Well sorta attack skills! >.> The fact that at this high a lvl they get a skill that blows is just sad :/ what point is there really to lvl a prophet past 78?
He has a right to be angry. Prophets have really gotten the shaft. Humans are divided, the ultimate healer, and the ultimate buffer. Well thats the idea, except prophets arent the ultimate buffer anymore, and they have little else to offer. Ncsoft needs to up the effectiveness of their attack skills. Well sorta attack skills! >.> The fact that at this high a lvl they get a skill that blows is just sad :/ what point is there really to lvl a prophet past 78?

Not a whole lot.

I got mine to 78, did the quest for hb and deleveled her to 77 so she can pof on lvl 70 raids. :D
It took me 10 months to get 80m SP. And finally I understand that Spell Turning (79lvl Hierophant skill) IS A CRAP!!!!!
MY God, oh my God.... 30 seconds restore time? 30 SECONDS RESTORE TIME? WHAT IS THIS SKILL FOR? FOR PVP? I CANCEL 1 ***EN NUKER MAGIC SKILL, AND THEN? I DIE!!! I run? I bsoe? WHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT?

Can I use it in Olympiad? HOW NCSOFT? WHO HAS TESTED THAT CRAP? WHY YOU GIVE THIS **** TO HIEROPHANTS?

I BLAME MYSELF FOR STILL PLAYING MY TOON. IM LOSING MY TIME. HIEROPHANTS ARE ONLY USEFULL AS BUFBOTS!!!! YOU WANT TO MAKE MORE BOTS AND KILL LEGIT PLAYERS? GIVE MORE ****S LIKE THIS TO NEXT UPDATES. GO NCSOFT GO!!!!!!

Now, Tell us how you Really Feel.
Nothing like a good meltdown/psychotic break to get the weekend grind started.

And always remember, kids, that L2 is the art of making pointless free time even more pointless. Enjoy the game.
Nothing like a good meltdown/psychotic break to get the weekend grind started.

And always remember, kids, that L2 is the art of making pointless free time even more pointless. Enjoy the game.

Makes me scratch my head when someone says they're bored ingame.
Makes me scratch my head when someone says they're bored ingame.

Let's see...

3rd class quest, 'round about the time that I had killed the 551st scarab... oh yeah, pure, unadulterated, unapologetic boredom set in. No head scratcher there.
We did many suggestions how to fix Spell turning, its trully one of the most useless skills, sadly its 79lvl skill for 80mil SP. But hey, do you think NCsoft cares, few chronicles passed and no even little update to that skill. I remember one of their main devs saying how they will fix skills which are underused or useless at all, did they change any of the useless skills beeing it spell turning, charm, regeneration and many many others. No they did absolutely nothing, so sad to see such horrible, lazy devs who lie to us without hesitation.
Let's see...

3rd class quest, 'round about the time that I had killed the 551st scarab... oh yeah, pure, unadulterated, unapologetic boredom set in. No head scratcher there.

You forgot the boredome of grinding Ketra or Varka Alliance to level 2 before that.

And farming the mats for sub quest (if you did it at levle 75, and if you didn't have anyone just give them to you).

This game is full of boredom. Even the best DD classes are boring to play, and most classes have useless skills. The OP should have PM'd another high level PP on the forums like Nya or Levitra to get the low-down on it before wasting SP on it...

Hi, ou names are Health/Wisdom, Arcane Chaos, Throne of Wind/Fire (or whatever the Sorc one is called), etc. They're all virtually useless.
It took me 10 months to get 80m SP. And finally I understand that Spell Turning (79lvl Hierophant skill) IS A CRAP!!!!!

I told you that skill is crap and don't bother learning it when you were shouting wtb that sb when u returned back to game. Seems like u never took that into advice. o well.... hf :p
hahahahahaha
I remember one of their main devs saying how they will fix skills which are underused or useless at all,
bout the same time they said they were adding economic skills for dorfs if i remember right
also i'm willing to trade your near useless 79 skill for what i get QQ

EDIT: 10 months seems a bit long to get 80 mil sp
had to get 30 mil for my WC and it took 4 days with 2 leeches in party
Sorry to see you so upset man, it's so understandable thou... calm down and ... and... I have no advice for you, :(.
Why would they make a lvl 79 skill so useless ? Is that even remotely imaginable ? How can you deceive people with such useless skills at such a high level ?

Honestly, it make me wonder... are the game designers sane ?

Is there any scenario, maybe considering the high population of the Koreean servers, where this skill would make any kind of sense ?
Its not only the 30 seconds restore time. Actualy is 37''..... But the distance to cast it, is 150!!! Oh yes. I pvp a nuker in Olympiad. The nuker hits me from 900. And I must run run run close to him and try to counter his spell?

NCSOFT is joking us. I believe it.
Its not only the 30 seconds restore time. Actualy is 37''..... But the distance to cast it, is 150!!! Oh yes. I pvp a nuker in Olympiad. The nuker hits me from 900. And I must run run run close to him and try to counter his spell?

NCSOFT is joking us. I believe it.

it doesnt counter his spell, it has 50% chance to interrupt it, which is lets say close to impossible even if the nuker has 500 casting speed, the only use for it is to interrupt summoning in oly
I feel bad for this guy.
Lulz. You're a prophet that wants to pvp? reroll or play your sub pp isn't a good pvp class. The only thing you do in pvp is trance mana burn buff and return. shut it and get over it
While I don't really agree with the approach this person took to complain about this...

It's a perfect example of why you should be able to unlearn skills...
Its not only the 30 seconds restore time. Actualy is 37''..... But the distance to cast it, is 150!!! Oh yes. I pvp a nuker in Olympiad. The nuker hits me from 900. And I must run run run close to him and try to counter his spell?

NCSOFT is joking us. I believe it.


My buffs on the WS has 40 range so if someone takes 1 step when I am to cast my buff it gets interupted so don't cry :p
are you really comparing those 2 things o.O
Honestly I fell for you.
are you really comparing those 2 things o.O

yes because both ranges are way to low.
I end up chasing the party members every 10min when it's time to buff (depending on where we hunt it isn't always easy to stay still for 2-3minutes while I buff because of agro and re-spawn)
it doesnt counter his spell, it has 50% chance to interrupt it, which is lets say close to impossible even if the nuker has 500 casting speed, the only use for it is to interrupt summoning in oly

The first thing I thought of was canceling scribing on a castle, or flag raising at a fort. Have you ever tried to do that to see if it works?
I can understand the upset I suppose but honestly most every class has skills that are useless.

Admittedly 80m SP is a LOT to throw away on something!

I try to remind players to talk to others with experience and to try to research as possible before making ALL big commitments in this game. Cause they never get undone and sometimes that click can just toast your cookies!
I end up chasing the party members every 10min when it's time to buff (depending on where we hunt it isn't always easy to stay still for 2-3minutes while I buff because of agro and re-spawn)

If I have to chase around to buff my party members, I'll just simply won't buff them and they'll stand still to get buffs after they realise they need/want buffs :p Agro and respawn is just an excuse :D
I try to remind players to talk to others with experience and to try to research as possible before making ALL big commitments in this game. Cause they never get undone and sometimes that click can just toast your cookies!


In fairness to the OP, someone had to learn that the spell was crap and get burned... which means that somewhere the Devs are giggling their arses off at this post and others to come. Let's not beat up the OP too much about not benefiting from the wisdom of others. It's not like there is a permanent discussion thread here titled, "Crappy Spells That You Shouldn't Waste SP On" or a guide that details SPECIFICALLY what a spell does on the official website.
10 moths for 80mil sp thats like a week of exping
If I have to chase around to buff my party members, I'll just simply won't buff them and they'll stand still to get buffs after they realise they need/want buffs :p Agro and respawn is just an excuse :D

I just buff with warcryer and let ppl run around all they like (as long as they are kinda close :D )
Lulz. You're a prophet that wants to pvp? reroll or play your sub pp isn't a good pvp class. The only thing you do in pvp is trance mana burn buff and return. shut it and get over it

hmm
bout the same time they said they were adding economic skills for dorfs if i remember right
also i'm willing to trade your near useless 79 skill for what i get QQ

EDIT: 10 months seems a bit long to get 80 mil sp
had to get 30 mil for my WC and it took 4 days with 2 leeches in party

i hope they fix sleep, it is useless in my own opinion.
The first thing I thought of was canceling scribing on a castle, or flag raising at a fort. Have you ever tried to do that to see if it works?

those things (scribing castle, rising flag) are not spells but non magic skills
Spell Turning interrupts ONLY spells, no skills, no augments, no talismans, nothing else except spells....
Lulz. You're a prophet that wants to pvp? reroll or play your sub pp isn't a good pvp class. The only thing you do in pvp is trance mana burn buff and return. shut it and get over it

lol
those things (scribing castle, rising flag) are not spells but non magic skills
Spell Turning interrupts ONLY spells, no skills, no augments, no talismans, nothing else except spells....
good to hear cause the only thing i could think of interrupting was golem summoning in olympiad since PP doesn't have a good method to stop it atm
Won't PP erase it anyway?
kill them all I say....kill them all, leave only my pp :)
In fairness to the OP, someone had to learn that the spell was crap and get burned... which means that somewhere the Devs are giggling their arses off at this post and others to come. Let's not beat up the OP too much about not benefiting from the wisdom of others. It's not like there is a permanent discussion thread here titled, "Crappy Spells That You Shouldn't Waste SP On" or a guide that details SPECIFICALLY what a spell does on the official website.

Well, I didn't consider my general advice on the topic as "beating up on the OP". Sorry if it read that way!

As for a sticky thread "crappy spells that you shouldn't waste SP on"--I think that's a fabulous idea. Would be nice to see by category/class. I know I could toss a number of DA skills on that list!
omg i fail >< clannie of mine had trance aug on his pp and told me all other pps have it since hes the only one i know >< o well makes them even ******* in pvp buff and shut it
Won't PP erase it anyway?
yeah they will but technically erase is better than cancelling since by the time they erase (only has about a 95% land rate) you can resummon again

kinda a moot point either way but just trying to come up with a reason the skill exists and again WTT your useless 79 skill for what i get
and ill trade your 81skill for my 81skill anytime
omg i fail >< clannie of mine had trance aug on his pp and told me all other pps have it since hes the only one i know >< o well makes them even ******* in pvp buff and shut it

never seen trance augment before
if ncsoft fix spellturning and MI and root landrate then with fixed blocks in ct23 pp would be decent in pvp
i didn't read past the first few posts because i really don't care.

but just a suggestion...make prophets like time mages. give them a greater haste and greater ww exclusive to them and give them a ranged aoe slow and ranged aoe anchor.

i mean a prophet is intrinsically related to "time" anyway, yeah?
i didn't read past the first few posts because i really don't care.

but just a suggestion...make prophets like time mages. give them a greater haste and greater ww exclusive to them and give them a ranged aoe slow and ranged aoe anchor.

i mean a prophet is intrinsically related to "time" anyway, yeah?

Giving a buffbot class more buffs to make them more desirable to box does not fix the problem.
Giving a buffbot class more buffs to make them more desirable to box does not fix the problem.

if people are going to box, that's their choice...i'm just suggesting a few additions to the existing buffs to make them more appetizing to play in addition to boxing.
if people are going to box, that's their choice...i'm just suggesting a few additions to the existing buffs to make them more appetizing to play in addition to boxing.

continuously adding more offense and neglecting defense is what's reduced pvp to the 2/3 shotting it is today. If anything, add some unique defensive buffs to the prophet, song/dance type buffs maybe that will only last a short while but boost your pdef/mdef/hp/whatever, or a buff like CoP for magic crits
Giving buffers more individual buffs which people want make the class more useful.

What does a PP have that I 'really' want? Haste. I can buy pots.
What does an SE have that I 'really' want? VR. I can't buy pots.

The introduction of combos, especially to orcs, now negates PP's at higher level.

Give the PP at least 5 buffs that no-one else gets.
Give the SE " - - " " - - "
Give the EE " - - " " - - "
Give the OL " - - " " - - "

and so on....
continuously adding more offense and neglecting defense is what's reduced pvp to the 2/3 shotting it is today. If anything, add some unique defensive buffs to the prophet, song/dance type buffs maybe that will only last a short while but boost your pdef/mdef/hp/whatever, or a buff like CoP for magic crits

i don't understand why warcryers got the greaters in the first place, to be honest.

i don't really see any amount of defensive buffs that can off-set the current situation, though.
Giving buffers more individual buffs which people want make the class more useful.
...to be boxed. Is it our intent?

Skills like Spell Turning could make PPs to be more useful when playing live (if it didn't have such ridiculous reuse time and/or could interrupt fighter skills).
I've never met a live prophet in my entire time playing Linegae 2. Live does not count as someone logging from their main to the PP for a raid boss or something.

There's probably 4 per server. And the OP's one of them.
I've never met a live prophet in my entire time playing Linegae 2. Live does not count as someone logging from their main to the PP for a raid boss or something.

There's probably 4 per server. And the OP's one of them.

I use to be one :/

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Eggy ^_^
I've never met a live prophet in my entire time playing Linegae 2. Live does not count as someone logging from their main to the PP for a raid boss or something.

There's probably 4 per server. And the OP's one of them.

We have four 78+ pp mains in our clan alone... (real, live played mains, buffing+hitting mobs). Guess it is because we're a carebear clan.
I've never met a live prophet in my entire time playing Linegae 2.
I have. But anyway, then your suggestion sounds as "let's increase the amount of different boxes needed for a player to level/raid/pvp". Are you sure you really want that?
and ill trade your 81skill for my 81skill anytime


you can have it. it will be useless in CT2.3...rumors says 5min duration and 1 hour cooldown
it will be still 100times more usefful than spell turning, trust me
amer was a prophet.
it will be still 100times more usefful than spell turning, trust me

I don't PvP so for me it would be useless no matter how good it was :p

And having 5min to PvE with my 81 skill (soon 83 skill) it sucks alot
i still like the idea of a ranged aoe anchor and slow.
that guy is who i consider the best PP i ever met BTW

OH .... Then you haven't meant me yet ;) LOL jk
prophets get there spot light in the oly way back when? and yeah you still where in your 50's too bad :<
koto was the best.
prophets get there spot light in the oly way back when? and yeah you still where in your 50's too bad :<


Prophets get the spot light in lolympiad is coz lolympiad is as broken as it is now. Don't blame pp but the design of lolympiad.
Prophets get the spot light in lolympiad is coz lolympiad is as broken as it is now. Don't blame pp but the design of lolympiad.

i'm all for a completely self-buffed olympiad. no btb sticks or anything else, either.
i'm all for a completely self-buffed olympiad. no btb sticks or anything else, either.

Bless the body and mental shield
light elves would start to dominate the oly with their self-buffed schemes and all the orc would start crying...until they hit < 30% hp.
i still like the idea of a ranged aoe anchor and slow.

Those were horrible ideas. Prophets are horrible debuffers. No +INT and Arcane Wisdom makes for a horrible debuffer.
Prophets get the spot light in lolympiad is coz lolympiad is as broken as it is now. Don't blame pp but the design of lolympiad.

Which heavily influences the way classes are balanced/boosted/nerfed/designed in this game?
Which heavily influences the way classes are balanced/boosted/nerfed/designed in this game?

Umhm. If you consider NC is doing an uberly awesome job at the way classes being balanced/boosted/nerfed/designed in this game, then I suppose the design of open lolympiad is perfect :p
would be if lolympiad was even remotely close to balanced
i don't see how giving the prophet a few time-themed debuffs would be a terrible idea, really. they're a mage class that typically use a mage weapon and robes.

they'd have better chances of landing debuffs than melee classes like the SK...and look how often hex lands.
Not real well thought out, but why not just give prophets inquisitor or some variation? At least they could buff resists/ww to parties who have a WC anyway and then just go into inquisitor and be a nuker while they dont have to buff. I mean healers arent nukers but they got inquisitor anyway, why should a buffer be different?
no one's really saying the prophets aren't lacking...just a matter of how much they actually need to become useful to play live again.
i don't see how giving the prophet a few time-themed debuffs would be a terrible idea, really. they're a mage class that typically use a mage weapon and robes.

they'd have better chances of landing debuffs than melee classes like the SK...and look how often hex lands.

+1 to whoever wants to give anything to a PP. :)

*We will take it all*

gimmie gimmie gimmie! Lol
+1 to whoever wants to give anything to a PP. :)

*We will take it all*

gimmie gimmie gimmie! Lol

again, i'm also a fan of taking away the greater buffs from warcryers. but then again, i'm also all for taking the focus buff out of the game entirely.

oh, and where's my +1 fame, slacker?? ;)
again, i'm also a fan of taking away the greater buffs from warcryers. but then again, i'm also all for taking the focus buff out of the game entirely.

oh, and where's my +1 fame, slacker?? ;)


OH I'm sorry, in my old age I sometimes forget to do stuff! Lol

It has been given :)
Umhm. If you consider NC is doing an uberly awesome job at the way classes being balanced/boosted/nerfed/designed in this game, then I suppose the design of open lolympiad is perfect :p

I never said I consider them doing an uberly awesome job.

If you actually read the forums (we had this discussion before), you'd know I said they are doing a very poor job at fixing the catastrophe they released.

lolympiad is stupid, and so is class based when you consider things like Celestial Shield Augments, Talismans, etc.
I never said I consider them doing an uberly awesome job.

If you actually read the forums (we had this discussion before), you'd know I said they are doing a very poor job at fixing the catastrophe they released.

lolympiad is stupid, and so is class based when you consider things like Celestial Shield Augments, Talismans, etc.

you mean you don't like a DA with the xfer pain talisman?
It took me 10 months to get 80m SP. And finally I understand that Spell Turning (79lvl Hierophant skill) IS A CRAP!!!!!
MY God, oh my God.... 30 seconds restore time? 30 SECONDS RESTORE TIME? WHAT IS THIS SKILL FOR? FOR PVP? I CANCEL 1 [CENSORED]NUKER MAGIC SKILL, AND THEN? I DIE!!! I run? I bsoe? WHAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTT?

Note to NCSoft, stop copying skills from Ragnarok until you think about how they play out in Sieges/PVP.
yeah, it would be pretty good if it does, in fact, work on people inscribing and dwarfs summoning golems.
We did many suggestions how to fix Spell turning, its trully one of the most useless skills, sadly its 79lvl skill for 80mil SP. But hey, do you think NCsoft cares, few chronicles passed and no even little update to that skill. I remember one of their main devs saying how they will fix skills which are underused or useless at all, did they change any of the useless skills beeing it spell turning, charm, regeneration and many many others. No they did absolutely nothing, so sad to see such horrible, lazy devs who lie to us without hesitation.

What are you talking about? Charm is not useless. Every time I get Skills I see that level 1 Charm in the list and I think about all the SP I saved by not getting the Skill then I feel real good about my self :D
What are you talking about? Charm is not useless. Every time I get Skills I see that level 1 Charm in the list and I think about all the SP I saved by not getting the Skill then I feel real good about my self :D

i got level one of it just to have it...after all, it's just as useless at level 1 as it is at max level oe'd to +30.