SwS Has no armor skills at all?

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Why don't the sws get any armor skills at all. I understand them being DD's, but I'm pretty sure even the BD's get plate, and that's the SwS opposite. Starts to get pretty annoying.
BD don't get armor skills just like the SwS
Why don't the sws get any armor skills at all. I understand them being DD's, but I'm pretty sure even the BD's get plate, and that's the SwS opposite. Starts to get pretty annoying.

If they kept getting armor masteries they would have the same pdef as a tank would. They are bards, they are supposed to buff the party with their dancing/singing, not tank mobs.

They can still vr-tank to some extent, but they arent really meant to tank.
With the song of earth we can have ok pdef even without heavy armor masteries but even with them we could not be a real tank because we cannot hold agro well. :(

I wish we didn't get the same weapon mastery as the tanks though, it adds half the patk the BD's does. Might be worth it to be able to sing with any weapon but I am not so sure.

(Bot SwS and BD get the <40 heavy masteries, which do help some lol)
I swore that back in C3 BD's got armor mastery, just less than the sK class. Like the Sk got 3 Heavy masteries and the BD only got 2 per level. I could be mistaken, or they may have changed it since. Anyway, i get the bard thing, just I thought there would be a little Pdef or by AG doesn't it get hard to solo?
they get level 15 tank armor mastery which is better than the highest levels of any warrior-type armor mastery because of the crit reduction.
at level 65 with generic buffs and song of earth I walk around with 1300+ pdef using maj heavy.

Seems ok to me
at level 65 with generic buffs and song of earth I walk around with 1300+ pdef using maj heavy.

Seems ok to me

sws don't walk...their backpacks have jets.
It's cool, I'm just living in the past. They nerf a character class from one chapter to the next and I don't keep up is all.

In a way I'm glad, PvPing a SwS was a hard slap to the face anyway back in c3.

1300 p.def does sound nice.
c3 was the biggest and only real nerf for bd/sws. gracia 2 sort of gave them both a boost with their own buff bar.
What buff bar?

I'm not sure what you mean. Though there were plate skills for BD's, as well as light armor skills in c3.
What buff bar?

I'm not sure what you mean. Though there were plate skills for BD's, as well as light armor skills in c3.

songs and dances have their own buff bar...you must be new.

no there wasn't. the three mains i've had since prelude have been a sws, ES, and TK.

bd's and sws's's's have always *ONLY* had level 15 heavy mastery.

also, this isn't wow...there is no plate.
what?
Yea I'm so new I remember when there were only 10 function keys for skills even when there are 12 on a keyboard.

You mean they added a triple bar instead of having just one.

That adding 3 function rows they also removed the ability to control-number to another page for your main function keys. So now you may only click on the "buff-bar."

Wow, i called Heavy armor "Plate." Dig deep for your Wit.

The difference between Tanks and DD's is:

Shield Master/shield aegis(except DA)/HP ++/HP regen/Cubits and\or summon/Final Fortress/ certain stances / among other Defensive bonuses.

I was just commenting, I never played one before Gracia and I remember a friend BD saying their light armor ended at BG and their plate continued thru. While the PK had +3 plate per lvl, the D had only 1 or 2, but it was in convrsation.

So ease up, or I smack u down with my Chronicle 1 sword silly muse.
what?
Yea I'm so new I remember when there were only 10 function keys for skills even when there are 12 on a keyboard.

You mean they added a triple bar instead of having just one.

That adding 3 function rows they also removed the ability to control-number to another page for your main function keys. So now you may only click on the "buff-bar."

Wow, i called Heavy armor "Plate." Dig deep for your Wit.

The difference between Tanks and DD's is:

Shield Master/shield aegis(except DA)/HP ++/HP regen/Cubits and\or summon/Final Fortress/ certain stances / among other Defensive bonuses.

I was just commenting, I never played one before Gracia and I remember a friend BD saying their light armor ended at BG and their plate continued thru. While the PK had +3 plate per lvl, the D had only 1 or 2, but it was in convrsation.

So ease up, or I smack u down with my Chronicle 1 sword silly muse.

my avatar isn't that of a sword muse...it's an eva's templar.

you can still switch hotbars with the keyboard with the alt button.

you're forgetting quite a bit with your differentiation between the (assumed) bards and tanks...mostly hate levels and aoe hate.

also, a cubit is a measure of distance.


*and*


i block your chrono cithara with my map of elmore.
A Warlord / Dreadnought gets Hate aura, so its not exactly a tank thing.

So your an elf tank! That's why your so silly with correcting my lettering, you wish you had gone a different class... Hey, after we PvP I'll let my panther lick the brain matter batter out of your helm, cuz there wont be much left of your gimped character.

I am the elpy raid boss.
they get level 15 tank armor mastery which is better than the highest levels of any warrior-type armor mastery because of the crit reduction.

Adding to this line... the tank heavy armor is very very different from the warrior heavy armor mastery in that as serelina said about tank armor mastery gets crit reduction. There is one more thing though, the tank heavy armor master at equal lvl (at 40, havent checked past) of a warrior heavy armor also adds almost 3x the p.def. Same armor set, same lvl of "heavy armor mastery" my pally has plenty more p.def than my warriorclass do and thats without majesty skill on
A Warlord / Dreadnought gets Hate aura, so its not exactly a tank thing.

So your an elf tank! That's why your so silly with correcting my lettering, you wish you had gone a different class... Hey, after we PvP I'll let my panther lick the brain matter batter out of your helm, cuz there wont be much left of your gimped character.

I am the elpy raid boss.

if you're a DA, why are you qq'ing about bd's?

i love my class...i play a TK with pride.

also, there's no guarantee you'd beat me after the 45 minutes of tank pvp.
As I said, I was trying new class to see about sub-classing it.

You aren't a SwS either, so why are you noodging your snood in here?

Besides, My question was answered.

1300+ Pdef is good.
As I said, I was trying new class to see about sub-classing it.

You aren't a SwS either, so why are you noodging your snood in here?

Besides, My question was answered.

1300+ Pdef is good.

i *was* a sws and still have it on my main account. did you miss that part?
Oh, I'm supposed to pay attention to your Drama.

If you weren't so busy being a lame Rattler of Cold Hard FACTS trying to stunt on people asking a question, you would have answered correctly.

Other thread in general Discussion, Topic: BD's and Armor, and someone wanted to know the same thing.

Answer:

Knight Heavy Mastery cancels more Crit damage than a warrior's and gains higher P.def per skill.

Yes, I am aware there are places to get this info out on the World Wide Web, but I'm far to lazy to find them so I figured I'd ask in this forum. I was just curious.

So, that being answered, I guess it's the end of that.
it's not drama, i merely stated i have experience as a bard hence i'm qualified to answer.

i *did* answer you correctly in that you shouldn't be complaining and learn the game.

you're the one causing drama and maybe you take this game/forum a bit too seriously and you should take a break?
I lost track of the bit of banter you guys were having :p lols but...

A Warlord / Dreadnought gets Hate aura, so its not exactly a tank thing. <snip>

Nope they just get a long range aura thats kinda like hate except with minimal aggro with it - its just for pulling.

Just felt the need to clarify that :)
it's not drama, i merely stated i have experience as a bard hence i'm qualified to answer.

i *did* answer you correctly in that you shouldn't be complaining and learn the game.

you're the one causing drama and maybe you take this game/forum a bit too seriously and you should take a break?

I would like to point out that shield master difference between my 77 spectral dancer and my 72 shillien knight is only 2 apart. Shield mastery lvl 2 on SD and lvl 4 on the SK.

I'd say the main difference tankingwise between an SK and a BD is the lvls of aggression/hate aura and the pdef added by masteries. This is also why BD's and subsequently SWS's cannot be allowed more heavy armor masteries.
A Warlord / Dreadnought gets Hate aura, so its not exactly a tank thing.
Nope they just get a long range aura thats kinda like hate except with minimal aggro with it - its just for pulling.
Just felt the need to clarify that :)

Thx, was about to clarify that but you already did :)
I would like to point out that shield master difference between my 77 spectral dancer and my 72 shillien knight is only 2 apart. Shield mastery lvl 2 on SD and lvl 4 on the SK.

I'd say the main difference tankingwise between an SK and a BD is the lvls of aggression/hate aura and the pdef added by masteries. This is also why BD's and subsequently SWS's cannot be allowed more heavy armor masteries.

in c2, i used to tank toi 10th with my sws whenever lordglav was screwing around in real life.
in c2, i used to tank toi 10th with my sws whenever lordglav was screwing around in real life.

Your party dps must have really sucked if you were able to do that.

Any dagger should be able to take aggro within seconds.
I lost track of the bit of banter you guys were having :p lols but...



Nope they just get a long range aura thats kinda like hate except with minimal aggro with it - its just for pulling.

Just felt the need to clarify that :)

It actually adds no hate at all, smack the mob 1 or 2 times and he loses it (be careful of social aggro tho :D )
it's not drama, i merely stated i have experience as a bard hence i'm qualified to answer.

i *did* answer you correctly in that you shouldn't be complaining and learn the game.

you're the one causing drama and maybe you take this game/forum a bit too seriously and you should take a break?

That's the WHOLE point. I'm asking because I'm trying to learn a new Subclass before I actually commit to it.

I wasn't exactly complaining, but NOW I am well informed now that it reduces crit. Man to get an answer from some people you also get the reason u PK them in game.

Flaming me because of some melodrama just because I don't find all the websites to get super informed is so awesome though.

I still say the biggest difference between a Tank and party buffer is P.def and shield mastery.

I just forum while I'm crafting, I wonder how often you take these forums a lil too seriously Puddin head.
That's the WHOLE point. I'm asking because I'm trying to learn a new Subclass before I actually commit to it.

I wasn't exactly complaining, but NOW I am well informed now that it reduces crit. Man to get an answer from some people you also get the reason u PK them in game.

Flaming me because of some melodrama just because I don't find all the websites to get super informed is so awesome though.

I still say the biggest difference between a Tank and party buffer is P.def and shield mastery.

I just forum while I'm crafting, I wonder how often you take these forums a lil too seriously Puddin head.

puddin head? aww...that sounds affectionate. i have my very own troll!

and no, the biggest difference between tank and party buffer is the hate and the buffs.


and smittie, there were a few daggers and archers in party as well as deathynder the level 67 theca tyrant. hunter and earth and hate x2 on each angel. had gosudivine there for a single recharge every five or 6 minutes. worked surprisingly well. they did pull aggro eventually but by the time they did, the mobs were almost dead.
Eh, I'm quite satisfied with what I get as a sws. If you are soloing, earth offers plenty in terms of defense. If you are partying, you probably won't be tanking, so it shouldn't matter.
As a tank I will say this.

The Main difference between a Tank and every other class, is shield defense mastery.

The sub difference is aggresion and hate aura
As a tank I will say this.

The Main difference between a Tank and every other class, is shield defense mastery.

The sub difference is aggresion and hate aura

but level 2 shield mastery on sws/bd is still far better than any other class gets (until dwarfs get level 1 in gracia final.)
but level 2 shield mastery on sws/bd is still far better than any other class gets (until dwarfs get level 1 in gracia final.)

thats not a shield mastery thats a pity note to dwarves ;)
thats not a shield mastery thats a pity note to dwarves ;)

imagine if a dwarf got level 4 shield mastery from an augment or something like that...it'd be impossible to kill them, then.
imagine if a dwarf got level 4 shield mastery from an augment or something like that...it'd be impossible to kill them, then.


Never!!!!

They will feel the power of shield stun and shield slam and...and....guard stance!
heh...you act like guard stance is useful nowadays. ;)

i guess guard stance would still be awesome but you'd need 4 or 5 rechargers trailing behind you.
As a tank I will say this.

The Main difference between a Tank and every other class, is shield defense mastery.

The sub difference is aggresion and hate aura

I wonder if anyone ever tried using sword and shield on a BD to see how often they shield block, it's only 2 lvl diff on the skills.
heh...you act like guard stance is useful nowadays. ;)

i guess guard stance would still be awesome but you'd need 4 or 5 rechargers trailing behind you.


lol it's sad, even with the mp regen passive
I wonder if anyone ever tried using sword and shield on a BD to see how often they shield block, it's only 2 lvl diff on the skills.

ask any sws...they can tell you.

lol it's sad, even with the mp regen passive

they need to change it from saying 13 mp to what it really takes...65-85 depending on how the server is feeling at the time.
Your party dps must have really sucked if you were able to do that.

Any dagger should be able to take aggro within seconds.

Yes they can smittie :) it will cost them mp that are better placed in singing however, but they can :) sws gets to lvl up their agression past 40 aswell so they can simply use that skill if need be ^^ Their agression is the same one that tanks do, though i think they agro it adds *may* be slightly less, yet its still better than none and more than enough to actually be successfully tanking if you have mp for it.
sws and bd don't get any more levels of hate after d grade. but it's still enough to hold aggro for the first part of the kill and it spreads out damage when someone else takes aggro and vr works all around and takes a bit more strain off of the healer.
I was able to tank kamas on my sws using the agro skills until the 6x ones, no matter what classes we brought along. I agree though, the mana should definitely go towards singing. I would only suggest doing this if you are the only heavy armor user.
I was able to tank kamas on my sws using the agro skills until the 6x ones, no matter what classes we brought along. I agree though, the mana should definitely go towards singing. I would only suggest doing this if you are the only heavy armor user.

i've tanked both 60 koalas with my sws. hunter and earth and just spam hate...even had enough mp for psycho every now and then.
i have around 1.8k pdef with a random +3 IC set , warchant, 78 wc buff with song of earth.

in pvp I usually have 2.7-2.9k pdef (earth chant and valor, my clan has 30 something heroes) to 6-7k pdef with hero UD and UD1.
i have around 1.8k pdef with a random +3 IC set , warchant, 78 wc buff with song of earth.

in pvp I usually have 2.7-2.9k pdef (earth chant and valor, my clan has 30 something heroes) to 6-7k pdef with hero UD and UD1.

wonder how much i'll have with the same buffs with my masterwork IC (if i ever get the last two pieces.)
sws and bd don't get any more levels of hate after d grade. but it's still enough to hold aggro for the first part of the kill and it spreads out damage when someone else takes aggro and vr works all around and takes a bit more strain off of the healer.

Yes my bad there, the agression and confusion icons look exactly the same on my BD sub so i mistook one for the other, lol.

Tanking and singing/dancing in kamalokas are no problem at all, nor is throwing in hex or symphonies at all due to the extra boost to mp regen that a kamaloka gives you. Also due to the fact that kamalokas are limited time you can also feel "rich" and throw in extra songs and dances should you feel like it. ^^