its different exploit, but proly similar technique
and i think this exploit actualy originates from different server as far as i know, but not sure
and dont really blame the server or ppl, blame ncsoft, how the hell can such simple thing as enchanting be so badly exploitable http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0901/61/ee02f36122eb.jpg
Edit: sorry for the short post, but is there really anything to add that the picture doesn't speak by itself ? Is there really someone that blind ? oh boy..
its different exploit, but proly similar technique
and i think this exploit actualy originates from different server as far as i know, but not sure
and dont really blame the server or ppl, blame ncsoft, how the hell can such simple thing as enchanting be so badly exploitable http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0901/61/ee02f36122eb.jpg
Why should we blame NcSoft? Is it NcSoft's problem that people try to find any way, shape or form to cheat the game they made instead of playing it the way it was intended? The blame solely goes on the players who do nothing more than try to find ways to cheat.
Also, if it was so BADLY exploited, there have really only been 2 cases of this happening of late. So if it's that common, we should see a lot more of it.
this is just great why doesnt ncsoft do anything about it, isnt max enchant +20 lol
ah no not even close
Exploits won't be fixed, just for the simple reason that it would have to be fixed in korea and they don't use these exploits in the first place.
That's not true, just takes time to rework some of the code. Although they do need to check some logs here. Tbh if this is an exploit then it's pretty ******* dumb of the rus to go to +24 with it. Something like +14/+15 might slip under the radar for a while. +24 is gonna have Spam reading through this noob's play logs for the last 6 months.
That's not true, just takes time to rework some of the code. Although they do need to check some logs here. Tbh if this is an exploit then it's pretty ******* dumb of the rus to go to +24 with it. Something like +14/+15 might slip under the radar for a while. +24 is gonna have Spam reading through this noob's play logs for the last 6 months.
That bow does not exist on any server. I will not say we are not looking into this any further, but I can officially say that there is not a +24 bow on any server.
That bow does not exist on any server. I will not say we are not looking into this any further, but I can officially say that there is not a +24 bow on any server.
That bow does not exist on any server. I will not say we are not looking into this any further, but I can officially say that there is not a +24 bow on any server.
Those images are so easily photoshopped that I doubt this is correct.
But then again, I want it not to be true too so :D But I do see a little difference in allignment between the 2 and the 8 in the +28... Maybe it's me just wishing it's not true, but... I do see a little offset. The numbers there aren't perfectly alligned.
Those images are so easily photoshopped that I doubt this is correct.
But then again, I want it not to be true too so :D But I do see a little difference in allignment between the 2 and the 8 in the +28... Maybe it's me just wishing it's not true, but... I do see a little offset. The numbers there aren't perfectly alligned.
Na that second pic is BS. Look at the first, no element or SA and on the second it has both. This one the numbers/lettering are off also. Maybe it's all BS, like Spam said they checked the database and there is no bow that high.
Na that second pic is BS. Look at the first, no element or SA and on the second it has both. This one the numbers/lettering are off also. Maybe it's all BS, like Spam said they checked the database and there is no bow that high.
Heheh I'm glad I wasn't the one noticing that the letters were not alligned :D
And I love Photoshop CS too. Too bad I'm not good enough with it!
Even if that is photoshopped, why post that on the official boards?
Nova. Not only botting it up on Sayha, but using OE exploits too?
The People's Clan.
ur an idiot. its a screen shot from teons boards on blah. not from a player in nova, we play on sayha not teon. be more butthurt.
shows how messed up teon is.
ur an idiot. its a screen shot from teons boards on blah. not from a player in nova, we play on sayha not teon. be more butthurt.
shows how messed up teon is.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLz
Now that is what i always wanted to have xD with lightning around it and all those cool effects from paint! +30? Yes we can! :D
That bow does not exist on any server. I will not say we are not looking into this any further, but I can officially say that there is not a +24 bow on any server.
if its just photoshop or packethack then i apologize for this thread, but after i saw that +18 drac on penix and lately several exploits, I start to believe to everything lately
if its just photoshop or packethack then i apologize for this thread, but after i saw that +18 drac on penix and lately several exploits, I start to believe to everything lately
For the SA you need to put the UT Announcer Voice Pack. One hits trigger "Headshot!", then "Double Kill!", "Triple Kill!", "Mega Kill!","Ultra Kill!" and of course "MMMMMMMMMONSTER KILL Kill kill!".
For the SA you need to put the UT Announcer Voice Pack. One hits trigger "Headshot!", then "Double Kill!", "Triple Kill!", "Mega Kill!","Ultra Kill!" and of course "MMMMMMMMMONSTER KILL Kill kill!".
You just made me remember of my last UT Movie... :D
I was the owner of the biggest Mmmonster kill.. until KiK or SBT decided to do a bigger one.
For the SA you need to put the UT Announcer Voice Pack. One hits trigger "Headshot!", then "Double Kill!", "Triple Kill!", "Mega Kill!","Ultra Kill!" and of course "MMMMMMMMMONSTER KILL Kill kill!".
LMAO...omg penix...and a fuzzy pink (sorry, it's fuzzy, gotta admit) +24 uber l33t hax sniper rifle...with lightning...it's just too much, haha. I love it! +11111111111
sometime I crit'ed error when porting from oren to giran for example I got "rolled back" to where I was 5 seconds ago, maybe they somehow to be able to reproduce the crit error "packet" at will ?
that criterror rollback doesnt include items, you dont get port money back etc, it was fixed long time ago afaik, it did rollback items back in time for some time
that one penix enchanter had +18 drac bow with crit slow, so one could assume that SA has some role in that exploit
that criterror rollback doesnt include items, you dont get port money back etc, it was fixed long time ago afaik, it did rollback items back in time for some time
that one penix enchanter had +18 drac bow with crit slow, so one could assume that SA has some role in that exploit
that criterror rollback doesnt include items, you dont get port money back etc, it was fixed long time ago afaik, it did rollback items back in time for some time
that one penix enchanter had +18 drac bow with crit slow, so one could assume that SA has some role in that exploit
You get port money back. It happened to me last week when I ported to Giran and the money was back there when I logged back in. I was also rolled back to Clan Hall.
And I am pretty sure i crited when porting to town and i didnt get money back. So mb it acts differently in different crits. Anyway rollback on crit is like most stupid idea anyway, thats yelling "come xploit me"
You get port money back. It happened to me last week when I ported to Giran and the money was back there when I logged back in. I was also rolled back to Clan Hall.
Saw a red glowing Drac Bow and an Angel Slayer on a TH (after the event ofc) on Phoenix, also a red glowing Drac Bow on an Orc, 2nd or sold..dunno. Also a lot of dark blue glowing bows (know of 2 +14 ones) and a couple +7 or more Arcana Maces are plopping out lately.. :/
And I am pretty sure i crited when porting to town and i didnt get money back. So mb it acts differently in different crits. Anyway rollback on crit is like most stupid idea anyway, thats yelling "come xploit me"
It must, cause I got my money back last time :P Was porting from Aden to Giran 13k port. Crit error'd, logged back in at the port in spot in Town Square (where you appear when you port from Clan Hall) with no adena taken from me.
Maybe you crit after you toon actually ported, and I crit before the server moved my toon. It doesn't instantly take the adena from you, but the server will still roll your positioning back in most cases (sometimes I've crit on a port and logged in at the place I ported to).
The GMs are perfectly aware of what items reach what level of enchantment. There are trigger/tripwire systems in every MMO I've ever played that alert the GM team to any "suspicious" behavior or erratic game function.
I would liken this to a simple wiretap. if on the phone you say certain keywords, they are falgged, recorded, and sent out for investigation. Often times they are nothing, but they still send up a little red flag.
I am not 100% certain, but I vaguely remember there being a preset limit on the number of enchantments a single weapon can have. And that being the case, for a weapon to exceed that ammount, wuld not just be a simple red flag. That would denote an alteration to the actual game script run serverside, and no player can accomplish that... it would likely trigger a failsafe in the game and cause a server to shut down, with or without forwaarning the players.
Agrue if you'd like, and toss arround the idea that some fool player somewhere could, given the right situation (The stars aligning just right, on ever 3rd monday of a given year before the solstice, and the GMs walking out of his job all simultaniously). But its not going ot happen.
The GMs are perfectly aware of what items reach what level of enchantment. There are trigger/tripwire systems in every MMO I've ever played that alert the GM team to any "suspicious" behavior or erratic game function.
I would liken this to a simple wiretap. if on the phone you say certain keywords, they are falgged, recorded, and sent out for investigation. Often times they are nothing, but they still send up a little red flag.
I am not 100% certain, but I vaguely remember there being a preset limit on the number of enchantments a single weapon can have. And that being the case, for a weapon to exceed that ammount, wuld not just be a simple red flag. That would denote an alteration to the actual game script run serverside, and no player can accomplish that... it would likely trigger a failsafe in the game and cause a server to shut down, with or without forwaarning the players.
Agrue if you'd like, and toss arround the idea that some fool player somewhere could, given the right situation (The stars aligning just right, on ever 3rd monday of a given year before the solstice, and the GMs walking out of his job all simultaniously). But its not going ot happen.
In a decently designed system that's quite resonable actually. Let's hope they already took action on at least SOME of the foul play... :p
The GMs are perfectly aware of what items reach what level of enchantment. There are trigger/tripwire systems in every MMO I've ever played that alert the GM team to any "suspicious" behavior or erratic game function.
I would liken this to a simple wiretap. if on the phone you say certain keywords, they are falgged, recorded, and sent out for investigation. Often times they are nothing, but they still send up a little red flag.
I am not 100% certain, but I vaguely remember there being a preset limit on the number of enchantments a single weapon can have. And that being the case, for a weapon to exceed that ammount, wuld not just be a simple red flag. That would denote an alteration to the actual game script run serverside, and no player can accomplish that... it would likely trigger a failsafe in the game and cause a server to shut down, with or without forwaarning the players.
Agrue if you'd like, and toss arround the idea that some fool player somewhere could, given the right situation (The stars aligning just right, on ever 3rd monday of a given year before the solstice, and the GMs walking out of his job all simultaniously). But its not going ot happen.
You're assuming something we've not witnessed but a week or so in the last 5 years....
GM's actually actively doing stuff to improve the game.. :P
The GMs are perfectly aware of what items reach what level of enchantment. There are trigger/tripwire systems in every MMO I've ever played that alert the GM team to any "suspicious" behavior or erratic game function.
I would liken this to a simple wiretap. if on the phone you say certain keywords, they are falgged, recorded, and sent out for investigation. Often times they are nothing, but they still send up a little red flag.
I am not 100% certain, but I vaguely remember there being a preset limit on the number of enchantments a single weapon can have. And that being the case, for a weapon to exceed that ammount, wuld not just be a simple red flag. That would denote an alteration to the actual game script run serverside, and no player can accomplish that... it would likely trigger a failsafe in the game and cause a server to shut down, with or without forwaarning the players.
Agrue if you'd like, and toss arround the idea that some fool player somewhere could, given the right situation (The stars aligning just right, on ever 3rd monday of a given year before the solstice, and the GMs walking out of his job all simultaniously). But its not going ot happen.
max enchant is +65,000 (or around there) - this has been known for a while - now the odds of ever getting there... LOL....
I love how idiot hax that play on private servers feel that the information they have about them in any way translates to the live, official servers.
Playing on a private server is like playing some ones ill-conceived "what-if" fantasy of the original game. The criminals who run private servers are just that...criminals. They use guess work and some tw-bit tech savvy to patch together something that looks like, and could pass for (if you're blind, deff, and dumb) the real game. Few, if any of their EGI or mainframe cores run up to date, and all of the game data they stream or host, is just what THINK NCsoft has done to make things work.
I would be careful about posting such incriminating things on this forum. Making a statement as blatently idiotic as "max enchant is +65.000" is no different than saying "I have played on an ILLIEGAL private server, please ban my account and keep me from posting this rabble on the forums and wasting everyone's time".
Now I am sure that some people who think they "know" how things work will follow up this post by saying they get their infor from some all-knowing source.. but they're just fishing for praises that they obviously need to fulfull their delusions. No one, short of GM or Forum Moderator, and say with certainty what the max enchant is...
I love how idiot hax that play on private servers feel that the information they have about them in any way translates to the live, official servers.
Playing on a private server is like playing some ones ill-conceived "what-if" fantasy of the original game. The criminals who run private servers are just that...criminals. They use guess work and some tw-bit tech savvy to patch together something that looks like, and could pass for (if you're blind, deff, and dumb) the real game. Few, if any of their EGI or mainframe cores run up to date, and all of the game data they stream or host, is just what THINK NCsoft has done to make things work.
I would be careful about posting such incriminating things on this forum. Making a statement as blatently idiotic as "max enchant is +65.000" is no different than saying "I have played on an ILLIEGAL private server, please ban my account and keep me from posting this rabble on the forums and wasting everyone's time".
Now I am sure that some people who think they "know" how things work will follow up this post by saying they get their infor from some all-knowing source.. but they're just fishing for praises that they obviously need to fulfull their delusions. No one, short of GM or Forum Moderator, and say with certainty what the max enchant is...
if you were smart, youd be right.
however
youre not.
on the PTS (retail PTS) server there was once a hacker. said hacker dispensed with several (multiple) +65535 A grade weapons. there were once screenshots and witnesses to this event, likewise the PTS had to be taken down and forcefully removed all these weapons amid the banning of this particular account.
said hacker returned 2 chronicles later and did the same thing - to which GM's were far more intently aware and there were few widespread repercussions.
max enchant is +65535. getting there, however, is the problem.
I love how idiot hax that play on private servers feel that the information they have about them in any way translates to the live, official servers.
Playing on a private server is like playing some ones ill-conceived "what-if" fantasy of the original game. The criminals who run private servers are just that...criminals. They use guess work and some tw-bit tech savvy to patch together something that looks like, and could pass for (if you're blind, deff, and dumb) the real game. Few, if any of their EGI or mainframe cores run up to date, and all of the game data they stream or host, is just what THINK NCsoft has done to make things work.
I would be careful about posting such incriminating things on this forum. Making a statement as blatently idiotic as "max enchant is +65.000" is no different than saying "I have played on an ILLIEGAL private server, please ban my account and keep me from posting this rabble on the forums and wasting everyone's time".
Now I am sure that some people who think they "know" how things work will follow up this post by saying they get their infor from some all-knowing source.. but they're just fishing for praises that they obviously need to fulfull their delusions. No one, short of GM or Forum Moderator, and say with certainty what the max enchant is...
Dude shush, like you have any ******* clue what you are talking about. 99% of this info is floating around the internet, it's no big secret. Yet you're going to make accusations without any proof. Your ignorance is overwhelming.
Further you're posting about what scripts they have running, and what they flag. I lol'd like you would have any clue, to paraphrase a line from you "No one short of a GM or Dev, can say with certainty what scripts they have running." Go crawl back in your hole noob and stay there.
You are all WRONG! The max enchant is +65635. The reason for this number was based on the variable type in the programming code. It could not hold a value higher than 65635. It is either an unsigned short int or a unsigned int which has a value range of 0 to 65635. Which makes me wonder, what happens if you get to +65635 and you try to enchant?
On another sidenote of more useless info adena is stored in a variable of type long int or signed long int which only lets you carry a value up to 2 147 483 647. They are apparently changing the variable type in CT2 Final which will allow you to carry 99billion adena! YAY
Oh and maybe the image was not photoshopped, maybe they found out a way with a third party program to alter the clickable ? to see the weapon stats.
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On another sidenote of more useless info adena is stored in a variable of type long int or signed long int which only lets you carry a value up to 2 147 483 647. They are apparently changing the variable type in CT2 Final which will allow you to carry 99billion adena! YAY
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Good day to be an adena farmer boss. Bad day to play on an adena flooded euro server.
LOL +24 S grade weapons...... I blew up 15 pairs of Manticore boots going for +6 for my newb's D grade yesterday ......saved a pair at +5 so he would at least get set bonus if not +6. Will try again later.....
Dude shush, like you have any ******* clue what you are talking about. 99% of this info is floating around the internet, it's no big secret. Yet you're going to make accusations without any proof. Your ignorance is overwhelming.
Further you're posting about what scripts they have running, and what they flag. I lol'd like you would have any clue, to paraphrase a line from you "No one short of a GM or Dev, can say with certainty what scripts they have running." Go crawl back in your hole noob and stay there.
You strike me as the type of person would likely beleive anything you read on the internet... this quote just illustrates that point particularly well.
I have read on the internet that the world was supposed to end in the year 2000... think about what they means for you.
You strike me as the type of person would likely beleive anything you read on the internet... this quote just illustrates that point particularly well.
I have read on the internet that the world was supposed to end in the year 2000... think about what they means for you.
Alot of us were on the PTS and saw the +65k weapons. No one can say for sure they haven't changed something, or that such a max enchant was even possible on retail and not just a PTS related bug, but it did happen there.
As far as I know there's no evidence that isn't the max enchant, other than you insulting everyone who saw such a weapon and jumping to wild accusations with no basis in reality.
You strike me as the type of person would likely beleive anything you read on the internet... this quote just illustrates that point particularly well.
I have read on the internet that the world was supposed to end in the year 2000... think about what they means for you.
Look noob it's quite simple... contrary to what you have spewed, the info for this is in fact out there. Not on some conspiracy website but on l2 related sites. Your statement is the equivalent of telling me that a site that tracks drops or skill info is a wild bunch of ********.
I called you out on your nonsense and now you're going to try and retort with more nonsense. Well, all I can say is thx for the laugh.
Look noob it's quite simple... contrary to what you have spewed, the info for this is in fact out there. Not on some conspiracy website but on l2 related sites. Your statement is the equivalent of telling me that a site that tracks drops or skill info is a wild bunch of ********.
I called you out on your nonsense and now you're going to try and retort with more nonsense. Well, all I can say is thx for the laugh.
lol, well, clearly this means more to you than it does to me, as illustrated by your having to resort to calling people "noobs"... add to that your inability to read.
I never stated that the info wasn't out there... I simply informed you that not all info is valid. Certain sites that shall remain nameless (becouse they are cencored here) are almost 100% BS.
lol, well, clearly this means more to you than it does to me, as illustrated by your having to resort to calling people "noobs"... add to that your inability to read.
I never stated that the info wasn't out there... I simply informed you that not all info is valid. Certain sites that shall remain nameless (becouse they are cencored here) are almost 100% BS.
No what you started off with was accusing someone of engaging in "criminal" activities (cabbie I believe) because he, along with myself and others, stated that the max enchant was somewhere around 65,000.
You then went on to pull some random notion out of your rear end that there are scripts running on the servers to prevent anything over +20. You seem to have this "in-depth" knowledge of not only how flawed private servers are (of course how would you know without playing on them), but of what security procedures NCSoft uses.
All I have done is call you out on your arrogance, stupidity, and obvious lack of any real knowledge about this game. I feel as if I've accomplished what I set out to do in regard to that and will leave it at that now.
Galil, I believe is the name, is the only person that has said anything here factual from a programming perspective and yes, I think that they obviously would have programmed exception and overflow handling techniques in the enchant variable just as they have with the adena. The question is whether or not the enchant property of the class is protected or not because it seems as though ppl in the past, using events, have been able to access it outside of the object and been able to modify it somehow....
No one will know for sure other than the developers.
lol, well, clearly this means more to you than it does to me, as illustrated by your having to resort to calling people "noobs"... add to that your inability to read.
I never stated that the info wasn't out there... I simply informed you that not all info is valid. Certain sites that shall remain nameless (becouse they are cencored here) are almost 100% BS.
No what you started off with was accusing someone of engaging in "criminal" activities (cabbie I believe) because he, along with myself and others, stated that the max enchant was somewhere around 65,000.
You then went on to pull some random notion out of your rear end that there are scripts running on the servers to prevent anything over +20. You seem to have this "in-depth" knowledge of not only how flawed private servers are (of course how would you know without playing on them), but of what security procedures NCSoft uses.
All I have done is call you out on your arrogance, stupidity, and obvious lack of any real knowledge about this game. I feel as if I've accomplished what I set out to do in regard to that and will leave it at that now.
Alot of us were on the PTS and saw the +65k weapons. No one can say for sure they haven't changed something, or that such a max enchant was even possible on retail and not just a PTS related bug, but it did happen there.
As far as I know there's no evidence that isn't the max enchant, other than you insulting everyone who saw such a weapon and jumping to wild accusations with no basis in reality.
Oh, and just becouse there are +65k weapons... doesn't mean that +65k is the max...
I know that may be a bit much to contemplate for some of you, but if some one was clever enough, and skilled enough a criminal, and managed to literally **** the server to enchant a weapon in suhc a way; what makes you think a preset cap script would stop them... they likely just picked a variable at random and attributed it to the weapon... hell, they could have just changed the weapon stats for that item and told to server at instance to display +2 as +65k... the sky is the limit of possibilties for a person with talent. People's inability to see passed that is evidence that their own personal limit is not so colorful.
Oh, and just becouse there are +65k weapons... doesn't mean that +65k is the max...
I know that may be a bit much to contemplate for some of you, but if some one was clever enough, and skilled enough a criminal, and managed to literally **** the server to enchant a weapon in suhc a way; what makes you think a preset cap script would stop them... they likely just picked a variable at random and attributed it to the weapon... hell, they could have just changed the weapon stats for that item and told to server at instance to display +2 as +65k... the sky is the limit of possibilties for a person with talent. People's inability to see passed that is evidence that their own personal limit is not so colorful.
well +24 is still within the enchant limit and can be done legit even tho the chances are small
let me plain for the slow folks and this isnt to Nya and is not a flame; i would like to re-enforce what Nya said.
2 to the exponent 16 is 65,536. the reason you see private servers with extreme enchants are simply because of boosted rates. i am told that even on private servers you can fail +4 (where the server set safe as +3). you know it works the other way too, theres some servers with 50% WEAPON rate! on these servers you rarely see much past +8.
+65 can be done legitly. hellz yeah it can. the problem is two fold: cost and luck. even on high rate servers ( i know one 500x server with safe+10 and max enchant +50 (capped) ) theres nobody with +40 weapon.
luck just doesnt hang around that long. even on private servers.
+24 is observedly quite high. normal nowadays is +3-9 for any given grade.
you know theres a guy with +9 doom (heavy IIRC) in Korea. and ive seen a number of +7 doom here. its a matter of Cost and Luck. if youve got the money and youre really lucky, you can do anything in Lineage2.
did you know Luck also boils into your Crit rate, Accuracy and Evasion ? just because youve got 450 cirt rate doesnt mean youll always crit 1 in 2. i know from experience being a Bisoning tyrant myself. sometimes i get 9 swings in a row of MISS. on white mobs. with 450 crit rate. it happens.
I just wanted to bring it up for a form of relevance.
The way enchanting works on lin1 is quite different than here but I'll try to explain what I'm trying to get at.
weapons are safe to +6, and each enchant after that is 1/3 chance to add +1 to the weapon, and 2/3 chance to fail (when a weapon blows in l1, you get 0 back for it. its gone.)
at +9 or higher, the rate to fail remains the same, but the success rate is cut in half again, because out of that 1/3, 1/6 is a chance to go +1 just the same, and 1/6 is a chance for the enchant to do nothing. Neither add a + or blow the weapon up. The enchant scroll is just gone.
using a little bit of quick math, the % chance of getting a +9 weapon off the bat is 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3... correct? so you have 1/27 chances to make a +9 weapon. but then, beyond +9, starting from +0, the chances to make +10 on a weapon would be 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/6, right? or in other words, 1/27 x 1/6. so you have 1/162 chance to make a +10 weapon (or 0.62% chance). There are abundant +10 weapons on all of the lineage servers, and LoA is a server that came up sometime around the same time that l2 opened up. Actually early 2003, but still same deal. There are even a handful of +11 and allegedly +12 weapons around, but those are only rumor.
Anyway, my point is that +10 on lin1 is actually = to about +15 on lin2, using 2/3 as a guidline success rate for enchants. Now making note that on NA servers there are only about 2k people online, vs lin2 which has a much larger population on north american servers, and the fact that in lin1 you lose absolutely everything when you enchant your weap/armor (there are blessed scrolls, but they have a different effect. Give you random chance for +1-3 depending on the current enchant of your gear), and in l2 you have a chance to get a substantial amount of your adena back in crystals when the weapon is blown up... I think its safe to say that there would be many more people who would be willing to take the risk it would be to make a high + weapon like that. Just before thinking that its impossible, or that it is hackers abusing an exploit/program to do these things the odds aren't always as insane as they may seem...
People have the next grade equipment within days of it being released on the servers. Do you honestly think the same types can't manage insane enchants? I've known several legit players with +16 weapons (one several) and no, they didn't do much other than play lineage (often in shop mode). Always someone to chat with in clanchat though...I guess.
Not my style, but to some people, L2 is all they have.
Get the fists, I'll take the toon! Thanks -drools-
As I said on the other thread Spuddy posted this, this SA is so correct, since it takes a LOT OF FOCUS to concentrate on the game while having a toon like this -suffers from the fangirl nosebleed-
I play devianne, and i got my Drac bow to +65535 last week,
unfortunately I was drunk when I did it and forgot to SS it,
I went +1 more and the counter rolled over and it ended up at +0 again.
I just wanted to bring it up for a form of relevance.
The way enchanting works on lin1 is quite different than here but I'll try to explain what I'm trying to get at.
weapons are safe to +6, and each enchant after that is 1/3 chance to add +1 to the weapon, and 2/3 chance to fail (when a weapon blows in l1, you get 0 back for it. its gone.)
at +9 or higher, the rate to fail remains the same, but the success rate is cut in half again, because out of that 1/3, 1/6 is a chance to go +1 just the same, and 1/6 is a chance for the enchant to do nothing. Neither add a + or blow the weapon up. The enchant scroll is just gone.
using a little bit of quick math, the % chance of getting a +9 weapon off the bat is 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3... correct? so you have 1/27 chances to make a +9 weapon. but then, beyond +9, starting from +0, the chances to make +10 on a weapon would be 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/3 x 1/6, right? or in other words, 1/27 x 1/6. so you have 1/162 chance to make a +10 weapon (or 0.62% chance). There are abundant +10 weapons on all of the lineage servers, and LoA is a server that came up sometime around the same time that l2 opened up. Actually early 2003, but still same deal. There are even a handful of +11 and allegedly +12 weapons around, but those are only rumor.
Anyway, my point is that +10 on lin1 is actually = to about +15 on lin2, using 2/3 as a guidline success rate for enchants. Now making note that on NA servers there are only about 2k people online, vs lin2 which has a much larger population on north american servers, and the fact that in lin1 you lose absolutely everything when you enchant your weap/armor (there are blessed scrolls, but they have a different effect. Give you random chance for +1-3 depending on the current enchant of your gear), and in l2 you have a chance to get a substantial amount of your adena back in crystals when the weapon is blown up... I think its safe to say that there would be many more people who would be willing to take the risk it would be to make a high + weapon like that. Just before thinking that its impossible, or that it is hackers abusing an exploit/program to do these things the odds aren't always as insane as they may seem...
I read most of this thread and noticed that people were giving horrible numbers for enchant requirements. I'm not sure where some people are getting their numbers but it looks like they are taking them off the top of their heads. So I made a little table. The weapon is done by using a Coupled Parent Ternary Tree model. The armor enchant values are from a standard Binary Tree model.
All values are rounded to the nearest integer. This causes difficulties when looking at +14/+15 on the weapon grid. The values are correct, I have just used rounding in the final vales displayed.
I read most of this thread and noticed that people were giving horrible numbers for enchant requirements. I'm not sure where some people are getting their numbers but it looks like they are taking them off the top of their heads. So I made a little table. The weapon is done by using a Coupled Parent Ternary Tree model. The armor enchant values are from a standard Binary Tree model.
All values are rounded to the nearest integer. This causes difficulties when looking at +14/+15 on the weapon grid. The values are correct, I have just used rounding in the final vales displayed.
I read most of this thread and noticed that people were giving horrible numbers for enchant requirements. I'm not sure where some people are getting their numbers but it looks like they are taking them off the top of their heads. So I made a little table. The weapon is done by using a Coupled Parent Ternary Tree model. The armor enchant values are from a standard Binary Tree model.
All values are rounded to the nearest integer. This causes difficulties when looking at +14/+15 on the weapon grid. The values are correct, I have just used rounding in the final vales displayed.
Statistical probability over time is quite predictable. Flip a coin and guess heads or tails. I can't tell you which one it will be with one toss, but I can tell you that after 100 tosses you will get an almost exactly equal number of heads and tails. This is the non-deterministic quality of statistics. As far as it working on paper and not in korean random: I can only say that since the random function used it not normalized this approximation is very close to the results a person will see in actual enchanting. It cannot determine every enchant but it can predict a sum over time that produces a highly predictable result. This is the difference between Newton's Laws of Motion and Quantium Mechanics. In the end, the thing to remember is that this is a statistical guideline for nomial result. This is not best case or worst case scenerio, this is "everything going as it should" scenerio.
The point of it was to put some of those outrageous numbers out there to rest. Put a real number (even if only nominal result set) out there and let people see what the REAL chances of getting a +16 weapon are and what is PROBABLY going to be required to pull it off.
Those are the same values I used in my post. It was far from structured at all, but incase you missed the point I was comparing enchanting in lin1 to enchanting in lin2, and using examples of the amount of high + weapons available in lin1 to extrapolate a rough estimate of what you could expect to be FEASIBLE in lin2.
Many factors are to be considered but all I was basically saying was its not the freakishly unbelievable event that everyone might think it to be.
Jayy,
Don't think I was refering to your post. I was more specificly targeting the post that stated that 3000+ enchants would be required for a +16 weapon. If you used stat analysis in your numbers then they would obviously be correct. I was targeting those that pull a number out of thin air and state it as fact.
Well all I can say about this thread is, if those screenies of +24, +28 bows are real, then I should just quit now. It's not like I'm a player that never logs in or anything. I log in every day...but I have other commitments. How can anyone compete with that?!
Having said that, it does look photoshopped (the +28 at least).
I would seriously hope the GMs take note of allegations of possible exploits and investigate them. Actually I hope the GMs take a look around b la h and other such sites every now and again to make sure no new exploits are doing the rounds ...
http://www.prophet.cz/ss.php?ss=redam.jpg
this time it doesnt seem to be any photoshop but real weapon
+16 am, that guy has +16 drac bow too, LF log check where he got it or how he got it, i am very confident that its through some exploit
ahving few bots on server is acceptable, having such exploit is not
http://www.prophet.cz/ss.php?ss=redam.jpg
this time it doesnt seem to be any photoshop but real weapon
+16 am, that guy has +16 drac bow too, LF log check where he got it or how he got it, i am very confident that its through some exploit
ahving few bots on server is acceptable, having such exploit is not
I thought +16 weapons, with augment effect, glowed orange/gold. The one in this screenshot is quite obviously red with an augment glow.
I read most of this thread and noticed that people were giving horrible numbers for enchant requirements. I'm not sure where some people are getting their numbers but it looks like they are taking them off the top of their heads. So I made a little table. The weapon is done by using a Coupled Parent Ternary Tree model. The armor enchant values are from a standard Binary Tree model.
All values are rounded to the nearest integer. This causes difficulties when looking at +14/+15 on the weapon grid. The values are correct, I have just used rounding in the final vales displayed.
Interesting statistics. I wonder if there's any truth behind the whole 'a mage weapon is harder to enchant' thing and if so it'd be even more interesting to see how these stats would compare.
Would be cool if spam could answer on this like the last time he did that they would check the situation. But i never saw this guy with a red AM on the server, so i think this is a fake one.
Would be cool if spam could answer on this like the last time he did that they would check the situation. But i never saw this guy with a red AM on the server, so i think this is a fake one.
nah, its his new weapon and he showed it to some ppl in clan by linking in chat afaik, so as far as i know its real
AS/Dracbow etc any nonnuker weapon are really easier to OE even tho +16 is ofc crazy but still, +16 AM is very very close to impossible there are not even +10 AMs on servers, this guy never had high oe am, but he just came with +16 AM and there was not even any jump in prices of AMs/EWS'
Hope to read any answer soon from spam about this...+16AM from 1 day to another...hmm..something is wrong. LOL i am happy if i can make my A grade duals +4 and other run around with s grade +16?! way no!! xD
There are a few highly OEd weapons on sale on Teon these days. So it might be an exploit.
A long time ago I heard that the max OE is +50 and from that you get +51 but the stats of the weapon do not change. It is not confirmed and I don't know if it is 100% true but it sounds reasonable.
A long time ago I heard that the max OE is +50 and from that you get +51 but the stats of the weapon do not change. It is not confirmed and I don't know if it is 100% true but it sounds reasonable.
I've never heard of, or seen, anything over +16.And +16 is already to much...just think of a AS +16...you got no chance at all if he hits you from behind xD
lol, who would take a +10 AM to +11. They need to have their head evaluated. Much less to +16. EWS scrolls on Teon are are valued at what? 100+ mil each?
If the do have the smarts to exploit to +16 then they lack the common sense to not do it. Go to +7 or maybe +8 or max +9 and leave it the **** alone. Best bet though, is just to enjoy the game and don't screw with it.
lol, who would take a +10 AM to +11. They need to have their head evaluated. Much less to +16. EWS scrolls on Teon are are valued at what? 100+ mil each?
If the do have the smarts to exploit to +16 then they lack the common sense to not do it. Go to +7 or maybe +8 or max +9 and leave it the **** alone. Best bet though, is just to enjoy the game and don't screw with it.
Why is anyone bothering to OE AMs anyway... with the Dynasty weapons avaiable, as well as the icarus strain... now the new vesper items comming in Gracia Final... people need to catch up...
Uhhh, Have you ever did the math and seen how much it costs to actually try an attempt at an S80 Weapon? There is a reason why there is very little S80 weapons out there.
Uhhh, Have you ever did the math and seen how much it costs to actually try an attempt at an S80 Weapon? There is a reason why there is very little S80 weapons out there.
They may be waiting until CT2.3 goes live since they will reduce the mats needed to craft by almost 50%.
Its all random, clan mate made a +16 b grade bow in C3, think it was the first in NA. Ive made a few +12 to 14 Agrade bows in week. If u have the money to blow its possible to go 16 on a S grade. LOL at the scrubs saying +16 s grade report him. Half you guys cant even hunt in hellbound and have no clue how much adena you can make in a day.
What's suspicious about this is not purely that a guy has a +16 S grade weapon. That's not the point. It's certainly not impossible (just phenomenally expensive, on average).
What is suspicious is that a +16 AM has popped up from nowhere, when noone's ever seen a +12, +10 or probably even +8 AM before it. This is paricularly the case for the AM because you see highly OE'ed mystic weapons a LOT less than equivalent level bows, daggers etc. (Whether that's because of an inherently lower chance to OE mystic weapons or not is an exercise left to the reader and IMO one of the great unsolved mysteries of L2 ... personally I just think it's because you don't get as much benefit from additional M.Atk as you do from P.Atk, due to damage being related onto to the square root of M.Atk rather than a linear progression)
But it's not very likely some dude just had an regular AM and a dozen EWS and just went clickclickclickclickclick. Any SANE person would have got to +8, +9 and started to think "oh man, this is already worth more adena than I will ever see again in my life, maybe I should stop". Most OE'ers I know enchant up a bit...wait a few days, see if it sells, maybe then another few + later on.
So Spam - is this legit? If so, that is godlike (As a Storm Screamer I'd give anything for that weapon lol).
NB. Also a dude on Phoenix has been yelling that he wants to sell his +14 Drac Bow (150 earth) for the last 24 hours or so. +14 is pretty uber but I reckon that one is legit ... cause I've seen a few +10 or higher Dracs in the past. (The dude seems to be using a script to do his trade shouts tho, but that's a different story lol). But this +16 AM came out of nowhere, so that doesn't quite seem as legit to me. Worth looking into.
Its all random, clan mate made a +16 b grade bow in C3, think it was the first in NA. Ive made a few +12 to 14 Agrade bows in week. If u have the money to blow its possible to go 16 on a S grade. LOL at the scrubs saying +16 s grade report him. Half you guys cant even hunt in hellbound and have no clue how much adena you can make in a day.
Sorry but you are wrong, first +16 AM is not just about money, the luck you would have to have is enormous. And I am the one hunting on HB/cita on teon, he is not he was proly never hutning there cuz i never seen him, he is in some neutral clan who are often pked by X/ITT just to stop them xp on hb.
Maybe he got any "devine" help...when you all know what I mean ;) A +16AM doesnt pop up from nowhere! I never saw that guy with a +16AM nor with a +6+7+10 or +12 before...Also i never saw a player with +16AM on the server...Even the biggest clans on Teon dont have +16 AMs as far as i am concerned. And they have the highest chance to OE weps...Something is wrong here...I hope a GM will answer soon here on this thread.
GMs wont answer imo, only if it is not exploit. But if it is, they will proly delete the AM, ban someone but not admit that there is an exploit since it would very likely encouradge more ppl to use that exploit or try to find it. I just hope it will be fixed cuz as I said, few bots here and tehre i can live with, but such exploits would make L2 totaly worthless.
Yes true. The last time spam answered. Maybe because it was all a hoax.This time they dont respond maybe because they are already looking for it. For sure they have read this post. They just dont answer to us for avoiding problems in the time they fix this "exploit" or whatever. I hope if yes, the am get deleted and the owner get pwned hard with a ban.
I dont think it was exploits that did it;
Yesterday i decided to try make my DC robes +6 , so i got two parts of the robe to +5 easy enough , and for some reason ive always broke a d grade ring or something before doing +6 enchants just because it makes me feel like i got more odds if the ring breaks :p
Anyway i had 8 ewd's in my wh so i baught a top d dagger instead , intentionaly to break it going +4 i hoped... so i used the 8 ewds on the dagger and it became +8.. so i decided to buy two more ewds and encahnt them and +10...so i baught 2 more..+12..2 more +14...1 more +15....1 more +16
i went from +0 to +16 in about 5 minutes, just pure luck. shame it was only a d grade wep >_<
Now i have a d grade dwarf killing people with +16 dagger xD
and even after getting that +0 to +16 i still enchanted my DC robes and g ot the robe piece +6 then boots +6 , but then my luck failed when i tried enchant +4 dc gloves to +5 ._< broke them. oh well :P
(I ran to the shop after to buy lottery ticket)
I dont think it was exploits that did it;
Yesterday i decided to try make my DC robes +6 , so i got two parts of the robe to +5 easy enough , and for some reason ive always broke a d grade ring or something before doing +6 enchants just because it makes me feel like i got more odds if the ring breaks :p
Anyway i had 8 ewd's in my wh so i baught a top d dagger instead , intentionaly to break it going +4 i hoped... so i used the 8 ewds on the dagger and it became +8.. so i decided to buy two more ewds and encahnt them and +10...so i baught 2 more..+12..2 more +14...1 more +15....1 more +16
i went from +0 to +16 in about 5 minutes, just pure luck. shame it was only a d grade wep >_<
Now i have a d grade dwarf killing people with +16 dagger xD
and even after getting that +0 to +16 i still enchanted my DC robes and g ot the robe piece +6 then boots +6 , but then my luck failed when i tried enchant +4 dc gloves to +5 ._< broke them. oh well :P
(I ran to the shop after to buy lottery ticket)
chance to get +16 nonnuker weapon is around 1:200 (0.5%) which is actualy very decent cahcne with the amount of weapons/Oes on each server
chance to get +16 AM is around 1:2 000 000 (0.00005%) which is unreal
:( I have never been able get D grade past +11 and only 2 weps that far. C grade +9 once and B grade +8 once. I have however gotten 14 T-shirts to +6. Oh buy the way 26,543 D crystals for sell cheep in Giran on Devianne :D
My AM right now is only +1 only because I will not pay what they are going for so I have to wait for my luck on cubics. However I dought I will ever try and go +4 or higher on it. I can't afford to replace it if it broke. I did enjoy using the +16 AM's during the xmas event though.
I didn't read the whole thread so i may be repeating someone else. I read that people were exploiting the enchanting process. I won't say exactly how but it had to do with the maintenance shut down.
I didn't read the whole thread so i may be repeating someone else. I read that people were exploiting the enchanting process. I won't say exactly how but it had to do with the maintenance shut down.
So if it got abused, they can get prepared of getting a nice and clean ban ;) I am sure a GM have already read this post.
Sorry but you are wrong, first +16 AM is not just about money, the luck you would have to have is enormous. And I am the one hunting on HB/cita on teon, he is not he was proly never hutning there cuz i never seen him, he is in some neutral clan who are often pked by X/ITT just to stop them xp on hb.
chance to get +16 nonnuker weapon is around 1:200 (0.5%) which is actualy very decent cahcne with the amount of weapons/Oes on each server
chance to get +16 AM is around 1:2 000 000 (0.00005%) which is unreal
How do u know it was made on Teon? They could have brought it over from any server. People do hunt HB on other servers and just because it poped up out of the blue doesnt mean its a ****.
Your just mad that its not yours and i would bet rl money if there was a trick that u couldnt get banned from every one of u tools would use it.
btw think your math is a little off there 1:2mill lol
All i see is a bunch of cry babies. GMs are active on every server now and banning bots every day. You still cry about the bots and the game is almost void of players in high level spots. As that isnt enough for them to do, now they have check every high level enchant to see if its a ****. OH no he has a +9-16 S wep its a **** report him. Ive never seen him with a wep like that. lol go cry to your mom
How do u know it was made on Teon? They could have brought it over from any server. People do hunt HB on other servers and just because it poped up out of the blue doesnt mean its a ****.
Your just mad that its not yours and i would bet rl money if there was a trick that u couldnt get banned from every one of u tools would use it.
btw think your math is a little off there 1:2mill lol
All i see is a bunch of cry babies. GMs are active on every server now and banning bots every day. You still cry about the bots and the game is almost void of players in high level spots. As that isnt enough for them to do, now they have check every high level enchant to see if its a ****. OH no he has a +9-16 S wep its a **** report him. Ive never seen him with a wep like that. lol go cry to your mom
No I dont know it was made on Teon. But i am quite sure if it would be made on any server, we would see some screenshot or wts thread or anything before it gets transfered to Teon. This weapon was never ever seen before few days on teon. I am not mad, its in hands of OL/WC in neutral clan, that weapon itself doesnt affect me at all. He wont use it in pvp, He wont use it in oly against me.
And you are terribly wrong if you think that i would cheat any way. I never cheated in any game (well i tried IDDQD and ILM (Doom/wolf3d) but thats it)
No they dont have to check every hihg level enchant, its obvious that you know very little about enchanting or L2 at all. And GMS are actualy paid to keep the servers in playable state and believe me with exploits such is this, L2 wouldnt be playable.
And no, my math is very precise. Do it for yourself if you dont believe me, ofc you have to know something more about enchanting.
And no, i wont go QQ to my mom, havent seen her for few years.
How do u know it was made on Teon? They could have brought it over from any server. People do hunt HB on other servers and just because it poped up out of the blue doesnt mean its a ****.
Your just mad that its not yours and i would bet rl money if there was a trick that u couldnt get banned from every one of u tools would use it.
btw think your math is a little off there 1:2mill lol
All i see is a bunch of cry babies. GMs are active on every server now and banning bots every day. You still cry about the bots and the game is almost void of players in high level spots. As that isnt enough for them to do, now they have check every high level enchant to see if its a ****. OH no he has a +9-16 S wep its a **** report him. Ive never seen him with a wep like that. lol go cry to your mom
LOL you sound ridiculous and just one of those players who bot and ebay.
Why Nyae didnt cry on forum when member of Nyae's clan made Angel slayer +16? :eek: How is it possible? Seems Nyae didnt want to think about it :(
P.S. This guy transfered to Teon from another server so how was it possible to see him @ hb?
Ra***, have you even tried to undesrtand what did I post? or you just trying to trash me sincei am your enemy ingame? Do you really want +16 AMs to appear from nothing cuz of exploit? Do you know the chances to get normal wepaon to +16 and nuker weapon to +16? Did I post anything about the +16 bow the same orc who has +16 AM has for long time? No cuz +16 nonnuker weapons arent that hard to get.
Do you get it now?
edit.
Btw, if they find out that any of my clannies exploits enchanting as well, ill be glad to see him banned clannie or not. Screwing up whole server with ecnahnt/dupe exploits is really bad cuz whole server becomes worthless private-server-like nonplayable playground for kids.
Ra***, have you even tried to undesrtand what did I post? or you just trying to trash me sincei am your enemy ingame? Do you really want +16 AMs to appear from nothing cuz of exploit? Do you know the chances to get normal wepaon to +16 and nuker weapon to +16? Did I post anything about the +16 bow the same orc who has +16 AM has for long time? No cuz +16 nonnuker weapons arent that hard to get.
Do you get it now?
ra*** already proven that he has only 2 lines in his head many times. If you'll cut horizontal his ears will fall, and if you'll cut vertical...
Ra***, have you even tried to undesrtand what did I post? or you just trying to trash me sincei am your enemy ingame? Do you really want +16 AMs to appear from nothing cuz of exploit? Do you know the chances to get normal wepaon to +16 and nuker weapon to +16? Did I post anything about the +16 bow the same orc who has +16 AM has for long time? No cuz +16 nonnuker weapons arent that hard to get.
Do you get it now?
The only thing I know about this guy is that he came from another server, so its hard to check the information about his weapons. Mb he was a clan leader and wasted 100kkk to make it? Im not a GM and I dont rly care about it. P.S. since ncsoft didnt fix bres exploit i thnk enchanting is possible :)
So if it got abused, they can get prepared of getting a nice and clean ban ;) I am sure a GM have already read this post.
Pretty sure the exploit got fixed. Also i'm sure the exploit was done with some new accounts created for this sole purpose. However pretty sure that NC could trace the weapons if they had the manpower.
problem is that 100kkk is not even remotely close to what you would need to have just decent chance for highly oe AM
Maybe but Im 100% sure its not my job to find out how this guy made this AM.
And why are you telling it to us? Noone cares whats your job, i posted here to bring gms attention to it and ofc its their job to check it.
I think GM's dont care about ur attention and they know what to do w/o ur remindings :) Thats why im telling it to u.
I think GM's dont care about ur attention and they know what to do w/o ur remindings :) Thats why im telling it to u.
Suxx to be an envious person.
Thats wrong. The last time people were talkin about that bow +24 (which was fake proven by gms) Spam wrote us here at the boards that he investigated this case and proven fake.
I think GM's dont care about ur attention and they know what to do w/o ur remindings :) Thats why im telling it to u.
Suxx to be an envious person.
You are wrong in so many things so often.
I am not envious, i dont want exploited weapon even if it would be green glow +65000 Vesper mace. I value my +3 am much more over any cheated stuff.
I have enchanted weapons for a long time now its my way of making adena and there is NO difference in Mage and none mage weapons what so ever
Apart from this dagger going +16 ive had SoV to +12 homu to +15 (broke going +16 gg)
sls +15 broke going +16 (gg)
I did an SoM and Kesh*kesh encahnting at same time , did them once a day both of them , both got to +8
NO DIFFERENCE all CHANCE
so this 1:2000 and 1:20000000 is bull ;)
I have enchanted weapons for a long time now its my way of making adena and there is NO difference in Mage and none mage weapons what so ever
Apart from this dagger going +16 ive had SoV to +12 homu to +15 (broke going +16 gg)
sls +15 broke going +16 (gg)
I did an SoM and Kesh*kesh encahnting at same time , did them once a day both of them , both got to +8
NO DIFFERENCE all CHANCE
so this 1:2000 and 1:20000000 is bull ;)
Now coming here talk tthere is no difrence, when you only enchanted all grades below S isnt a proof for your theory. Try this theory on a S grade weapon and we talk again. Because we talk here about some serious stuff like a AM +16 and not a B grade wep or below.
So now your telling me that the chances are different for type of weapon but also for grade of weapon? wether ive enchanted 10 b grade or 10 S grade the chances will still be the same and from my experience ive had better luck enchanting mage weapons than fighter weps
Every day i see a brand new S weapon +16 at phoenix... First was draconics, now angel slayers.. who wanna bet the next set will be of Heavens dividers?
So now your telling me that the chances are different for type of weapon but also for grade of weapon? wether ive enchanted 10 b grade or 10 S grade the chances will still be the same and from my experience ive had better luck enchanting mage weapons than fighter weps
I am just saying, try is with S grade ;) you will notice a difrence.
The only difference is that you have more money to lose if it breaks
Not only because of that. Its harder to enchant...why and how i dont know. But all who tryed already to make a AM +4 or more knows what i am talking about. Also why you see more fighter weps with red glow and not mage weps in red glows? well.. :rolleyes:
LOL you sound ridiculous and just one of those players who bot and ebay.
ive been playing since 1st day and enchanted over 200 wep and there is no diff between wep grades. D grade - S80 has same pass or fail. The reason there isnt as many high mage wep vs mele is there isnt as big a boost in damage. ppl dont enchant mage wep that often. Toons running around with 10 to 12 bill and nothing else to spend it on, wth just enchant the hell out of stuff. Its all luck, i just put 150 holy on my AM took 48 stones, put 150 fire on a bow took 28 (must be a ****). Why would i need to bot/ebay in a nine man group we can make over a bill in 8 hours. Go to hellbound and see for yourself, oh your a 71 gladi.
ive been playing since 1st day and enchanted over 200 wep and there is no diff between wep grades. D grade - S80 has same pass or fail. The reason there isnt as many high mage wep vs mele is there isnt as big a boost in damage. ppl dont enchant mage wep that often. Toons running around with 10 to 12 bill and nothing else to spend it on, wth just enchant the hell out of stuff. Its all luck, i just put 150 holy on my AM took 48 stones, put 150 fire on a bow took 28 (must be a ****). Why would i need to bot/ebay in a nine man group we can make over a bill in 8 hours. Go to hellbound and see for yourself, oh your a 71 gladi.
enchant AMs and you will see if you dont believe me, do it on pts for example or whereever you want and you wills ee
So, are you the next one to make a AM+16? If it is so easy and not a "abused exploit" after last maintenance....
Stones are the same as enchaning, they have about a 50/50 pass fail. it takes 27 to go 150 so if they were enchants i would only only failed 1 out of 28 enchants. As for the holy stones i failed 21 of 48. According to your logic there must be a diff between holy and fire stones. Do u see what im getting at here.
Stones are the same as enchaning, they have about a 50/50 pass fail. it takes 27 to go 150 so if they were enchants i would only only failed 1 out of 28 enchants. As for the holy stones i failed 21 of 48. According to your logic there must be a diff between holy and fire stones. Do u see what im getting at here.
Enchants are not the same as stones 50/50. I may be 71..but that doesnt mean I am informed about higher engame stuff or other things. Try to get a AM and enchant it, since you will have no problem at it.
Stones are the same as enchaning, they have about a 50/50 pass fail. it takes 27 to go 150 so if they were enchants i would only only failed 1 out of 28 enchants. As for the holy stones i failed 21 of 48. According to your logic there must be a diff between holy and fire stones. Do u see what im getting at here.
Stones are not the same as enchanting. There is no connection between encahnting and stones at all, except that both are based on chance like everything in L2.
Update: Not that a AM+16 is enough, today I saw that guy with a draconic bow red shinning...Now Nobody can say me that this is normal or like other here say "this can be done blablabla" Because this is impossible. This looks like we are on a private server!!!! :mad:
Draconz... I could see if there were 50 red Drac bows running around and 25 red AMs running around on Teon, this would be a concern. But you are worried about 1? I'm confused here.
Do you also believe that the government lied to us about Roswell? :D
Draconz... I could see if there were 50 red Drac bows running around and 25 AMs running around on Teon, this would be a concern. But you are worried about 1? I'm confused here.
Do you also believe that the government lied to us about Roswell? :D
Well..where is one, there will be many. And i dont support bug/exploit using. They should get all banned. And yes I do belive that.
Update: Not that a AM+16 is enough, today I saw that guy with a draconic bow red shinning...Now Nobody can say me that this is normal or like other here say "this can be done blablabla" Because this is impossible. This looks like we are on a private server!!!! :mad:
The only impossible thing is playing lineage2 for 3 years and to be lvl 71 gladiator...
The only impossible thing is playing lineage2 for 3 years and to be lvl 71 gladiator...
I can believe that. I've been playing for almost FIVE years and am only 77...it's called being married and having a full time job. And enjoying doing other things than L2 occasionally.
Like others on this forum, you spend way too much time musing and worried about cheaters and botters, imo. Why don't u just shrug that stuff off and let the GMs do their job and you enjoy playing the game? You see a +16 AM, send a petition and forget about it. Although, that kind of sucks too... It's like I manage to pull off something great, and I gotta prove it to you that I did it legitly.....
I can believe that. I've been playing for almost FIVE years and am only 77...it's called being married and having a full time job. And enjoying doing other things than L2 occasionally.
Very true, looks like others dont have a real life or dont enjoy the game to the max. Yes, the game offers much more than only pvp :eek:
I think this guy is already banned, because some of my allies bought 81+ skill books and this is definetly somekind of exploit because on teon if you're not X or ITT you can't have 81+ skills :)
I think this guy is already banned, because some of my allies bought 81+ skill books and this is definetly somekind of exploit because on teon if you're not X or ITT you can't have 81+ skills :)
My friend on phoenix (sry checked on l2wh, sayha prices are 300kk moar!) bought AQ ring for 1.4kkk! ANd this is exploit! because on Teon u cant buy AQ ring cheaper than 3kkk! All phoenix should be banned :DDD
My friend on phoenix (sry checked on l2wh, sayha prices are 300kk moar!) bought AQ ring for 1.4kkk! ANd this is exploit! because on Teon u cant buy AQ ring cheaper than 3kkk! All sayha should be banned :DDD
Stop being idiot, ok? As I said yesterday 2 allies bought fighters will forgoten scroll. As you should know this book is only drooped by Baium and not always. So if you're not X ir ITT it is imposible to get that book on teon, but somehow this dude has plenty of them.
Stop being idiot, ok? As I said yesterday 2 allies bought fighters will forgoten scroll. As you should know this book is only drooped by Baium and not always. So if you're not X ir ITT it is imposible to get that book on teon, but somehow this dude has plenty of them.
Do u have some screens?
Btw wtb fighters will too!
The fact is that not even every x ir itt player has that skill. So selling those books for couple hundred mil is more than weird.
Mb u didnt understand some of hottest jokes from this guy?:)
Secnd time: do u have a screen of this guy selling these books? Want to buy this book too :(
Mb u didnt understand some of hottest jokes from this guy?:)
Secnd time: do u have a screen of this guy selling these books? Want to buy this book too :(
Maybe you didn't understand the part ''2 allies bought''?
GMs are aware of that 81 book exploit and some ppl and atleast some of the exploiters/sellers got banned fo rit and books deleted and afaik even skills unlearned.
And ra*** dont try to act smart cuz you are just making fool of you.
I would suggest GMs to run throught ppl who have 81 skills learned and check the source of books, cuz such exploit is pretty bad as well. And its highly possible that more ppl using it/have bought the book. (btw the exploiters sell the book for RL money only afaik, so it alone would be bannable)
Stones are not the same as enchanting. There is no connection between encahnting and stones at all, except that both are based on chance like everything in L2.
And your source of the connection between grades and type of weapon?
Stop making **** up without being able to prove your argument. And dont tell me to go blow up weps worth several hundred millions each just to disprove your erratic argument...
GMs are aware of that 81 book exploit and some ppl and atleast some of the exploiters/sellers got banned fo rit and books deleted and afaik even skills unlearned.
And ra*** dont try to act smart cuz you are just making fool of you.
I would suggest GMs to run throught ppl who have 81 skills learned and check the source of books, cuz such exploit is pretty bad as well. And its highly possible that more ppl using it/have bought the book. (btw the exploiters sell the book for RL money only afaik, so it alone would be bannable)
And your source of the connection between grades and type of weapon?
Stop making **** up without being able to prove your argument. And dont tell me to go blow up weps worth several hundred millions each just to disprove your erratic argument...
l2wh statics, and statistics of nukers who spent hunderts of bilions on OEing AMs, and the fact that in older chronicle data weapons had Durability which affected success of enchanting where all nuker weapons had lower durability.
l2wh statics, and statistics of nukers who spent hunderts of bilions on OEing AMs, and the fact that in older chronicle data weapons had Durability which affected success of enchanting where all nuker weapons had lower durability.
l2wh statistics just shows how much fewer mage weapons ppl try to overenchant. That could be directly linked to mage weapons being slightly more expencive to make and the fact that there are way more classes that use melee weps or bows. Also the fact that a few more matk on a wep dont really give that much more dmg on mage weapons.
This is all speculation...We really dont know the chances for fighter or mage wep on every grade. The only thing I know and experience a lot is that fighter weps are easier to enchant than mage weps. Why? Well I dont know...I just know it is like it is.