I just newbie nuke my way to 52 with a necro, and now time to move on to real necro stuff... but is there a profitable and managable play style that doesn't involve death spike? cuz it is not only expensive to nuke that way.. i have to carry a bag full of heavy cursed bone on every hunt, which make me feel somewhat uncomfortable with small human mage CON. I don't mind it if i can carry like 15 000 at a time and don't have to go back to get more in a couple of day.
I haven't try the summon yet,
so how does one usually pve with necro? death spike nuke? or play like a summoner?
There are more experienced Necros out there that will give you more insight on higher levels (S grade at least), but I haven't played as a summoner in a WHILE. The only time I ever summon my Cursed Man is when I need to solo Catacombs for some seal stones, and that's about it.
Unfortunately there's not much you can do. The routes you can go are: Death Spike nuke, which costs a little but it's very mana efficient. I wouldn't suggest you try Vampiric Claw cause the mana cost for that is too high. I only use that on emergencies when I need to regen HP fast.
Or you could dare to CDL. Curse Death Link can be quite a powerful nuke, doesn't cost anything else but shots, normal MP cost, but it's dangerous, since it won't have any use unless you're really low in health... There are many people that successfully hunt with Curse Death Link but it's not something I like to do, unless I am in a party with a tank that can get aggro off of me (It was VERY Fun to CDL in ToI 10 and do NORMAL hits for 9-10k with the Santa Event weapons). But that's me. CDLing is too stressful for me to hunt normally.
And I generally don't have to resupply myself every hour. I carry around 3k cursed bones and only refill daily.
To play as a summoner it would mean that you'd have to get skills you could use on the summon. The only thing you have is the pre-40 heal (I learned it anyway and it can be useful, but it's hardly a good heal), and you will notice that the summons will cost you quite a lot in crystals. Perhaps more than the cost of Cursed Bones if you only choose to play as a summoner all the time. Also, the summons vanish quite fast, they last a buffround and a half with the Necro nuking to help out, I would think that they'd last a buffround only if they were to be the only ones attacking. I see the summons as a "safety" thing you can have in case you go to dangerous places where Transfer Pain can be useful, or to "tank" for you in those cases too, such like Catacomb rooms or mobs that are more than 1x so you can save on mana.
At level 52 you can go to skyshadow meadow and use deathspike to kill one mob, then corpse burst to kill the rest. Or... you can get someone to gather the entire field, nuke one mob then corspe burst it for major xp.
You can get a melee group in the catacombs(Apostate) and hunt with the reanimated man summon. Or get a SE or a WC buffer and get it buffs with VR and can solo a room without even needing to heal, just anchor/fear if things get rough.
You can preserve till level 56, and go to Valley of Saints and just hunt with deathspike there as the drops you get give you more than your spending even with the cost of cursed bones and BSPS. Should be able to 2 shot with a +3 SoV
You can curse death link at the cemetary(port to seal of shiellen from Adena) on the orcs and gargoyles. You get more power with getting +4con,-4str because of the bigger hp pool, then you can boost it even more with +4int, -4men and you can kill faster and safer with +4wit and -4men.
You can go to outlaw forest and blaze should still work well, although if its 3 shot or more, its not worth it.
i'm stopin for a bit at 52 to regen vita... consider i'm still in play style purgatory, but i'm thinking i'm gona +6 a karmanian set to get wt gauge bonus and keep it for B grade (possible cuz it cheap), while also track down a cheap OE SoV acu.. i max all my summon skill, fear, anchor, armor, weapon, curse gloom, CDL, vamp claw, corpse life drain, death spike, mana gain, and just leave the rest alone to save sp.
I will go test out CDL method, and corpse burst method, it sound like very intersting alternative play style,
How does CDL work btw? the lower ur hp, and you cast that spell the greater dmg it does? or it only does dmg if mob hit u?
THe lower your HP, the more powerful is the nuke. In fact, at full HP, it does crappy damage, so it's not even usable. But that means you got to be AT LEAST in flashy-HP levels to make it worth it. If not even less.
I would suggest you try a +6 Demon set instead of the Karmian. The Demon set is the best nuker set up till A grade hands down, and it's as easy to get as the Karmian.
ahh ok so it's a nuke... let me go get the cheap +4con/-5str... gotta wait till next weak to buy the +4wit/-4men from mamon, should i also get +4int/-4men too?
and about demon set? is the slow cast speed and -hp gona be sufficient to lvl CDL style? and is this style sufficient across the C-S spectrum or it just work for a few lvl perhap to A grade only?
ty for your inputs.. really direct answers that hit the point of my question :)
As for leveling CDL style, you might need to wait for someone else to give you tips on that. Like I said, it's too risky and nervewrecking (to me) to level CDL style, and I only use it when I'm in party with someone that can get aggro from me.
The Demon set (and I'm sure many others will agree with me here) will be good for you till A grade. Not sure how much that affects CDLing except that you have less HP to Body-to-mind till it's flashy :D
Then you might want to go DC (for the castspeed) or a "cheaper" choice in NM (I like NM for PvE, DC is good for PvP'ers).
I just newbie nuke my way to 52 with a necro, and now time to move on to real necro stuff... but is there a profitable and managable play style that doesn't involve death spike? cuz it is not only expensive to nuke that way.. i have to carry a bag full of heavy cursed bone on every hunt, which make me feel somewhat uncomfortable with small human mage CON. I don't mind it if i can carry like 15 000 at a time and don't have to go back to get more in a couple of day.
I haven't try the summon yet,
so how does one usually pve with necro? death spike nuke? or play like a summoner?
Death Spike > Summon. XP summons are for DD Groups and DD Groups only. If you choose to do the summon thing, don't bother coming back asking the devs to give Necros less cost/more timer on their summons or Servitor Buffs/Heals past level 35 :P
P.S. I will prolly zerg this thread with a few replies after this one :P I do not like multiquotting so manyposts.
Or you could dare to CDL. Curse Death Link can be quite a powerful nuke, doesn't cost anything else but shots, normal MP cost, but it's dangerous, since it won't have any use unless you're really low in health... There are many people that successfully hunt with Curse Death Link but it's not something I like to do, unless I am in a party with a tank that can get aggro off of me (It was VERY Fun to CDL in ToI 10 and do NORMAL hits for 9-10k with the Santa Event weapons). But that's me. CDLing is too stressful for me to hunt normally.
I wouldn't bother CDLing until level 74. Too many spots to 2 shot. Necro is at a tough road from 74-76. I would CDL those levels at the HS Tents. You can do VoS from 56-72 and then you can do FoTD at the front from 72-73 with few 3 shots fast.
Death Spike = less downtime, and if you get any lag while CDLing you can die, especially in places like VoS. A Signet can just spawn behind you and kill you with a nuke. Have had that happen more then enough times. Even XPing at HS Tents, Lag = Death about 80% of the time.
Oh you touched something I've been curious about. I'm on my last 30% on VoS and no clue where to go next. Even with the Dark nukes, is it still possible to hunt effectively on FoTD?
I've always dismissed that because of the fact that most mobs there are undead, except for the bats and the ugly, terrifying spiders (as far as I remember).
I just don't like CDLing solo, it's a matter of personal preference in this case. I have CDL'ed before with other people in party, but doing it solo drives me nuts. But since there was the possibility there, I thought it was worth mentioning, even though I don't have much knowledge on that.
I'd think CDLing in VoS would be REALLY suicidal, especially after moving to the higher places. The teleporting mobs that divide into two are very tricky, and it's hard to predict where they'll spawn next. Might be right next to you as you're nuking another mob... and that's 4% loss for sure.
At level 52 you can go to skyshadow meadow and use deathspike to kill one mob, then corpse burst to kill the rest. Or... you can get someone to gather the entire field, nuke one mob then corspe burst it for major xp.
Nope, cause some of the mobs there are nukers, and some are not. Mobs also stun. Corpse Burst Radius requires you to have a pretty "controlled" MOB Group. Skyshadow Meadow is a bad place to Corpse Burst unless you are running the Necro into the groups of MOBs, in which case you can get stunned and die pretty easily. Tried it.
Also tried it on Spellsinger, and after you Aqua Splash the Train, the nuker mobs stay behind while the rest come and you end up wasting more mana nuking them down. Stay away from Skyshadow Meadow, IMO.
You can get a melee group in the catacombs(Apostate) and hunt with the reanimated man summon. Or get a SE or a WC buffer and get it buffs with VR and can solo a room without even needing to heal, just anchor/fear if things get rough.
Yep, only way the person should use the XP summons.
You can preserve till level 56, and go to Valley of Saints and just hunt with deathspike there as the drops you get give you more than your spending even with the cost of cursed bones and BSPS. Should be able to 2 shot with a +3 SoV
I think person should just stop complaining about an extra 360 adena a shot and just suck it up. That's 360k per 1k shots. That is not "a lot of adena" nor is it "expensive".
You can curse death link at the cemetary(port to seal of shiellen from Adena) on the orcs and gargoyles. You get more power with getting +4con,-4str because of the bigger hp pool, then you can boost it even more with +4int, -4men and you can kill faster and safer with +4wit and -4men.
No herbs, etc. etc. not worth it.
You can go to outlaw forest and blaze should still work well, although if its 3 shot or more, its not worth it.
Too many failures on those levle 50 mobs with a level 35 nuke. Just Death Spike.
Oh you touched something I've been curious about. I'm on my last 30% on VoS and no clue where to go next. Even with the Dark nukes, is it still possible to hunt effectively on FoTD?
You totally interrupted my zerg of posts, but s'ok... I can forgive you.
Yes, FoTD is pretty much the best place to go thereafter. Herb drops, etc. There are a few 3 shot undead mobs, but it's worth it. During the Night Hours (when the Atrox and bats spawn towards the beginning) you 2 shot everything. I used to level for 2 hours or so and then go afk at myleveling spot (flame bait ><) to wait for it to turn night time to get an XP boost.
I was doing like 30-35% a day, getting like 5-7% XP a buffround (depending on how many herbs I got, my SE was recharging me for ~120 only back then :P ).
I've always dismissed that because of the fact that most mobs there are undead, except for the bats and the ugly, terrifying spiders (as far as I remember).
That is the time to wake up and go grind there :P That's the nighttime mobs and they are ALL two shot to Necros at 72 with Empower 3/161 M.Atk Weapon/DC Robes.
I just don't like CDLing solo, it's a matter of personal preference in this case. I have CDL'ed before with other people in party, but doing it solo drives me nuts. But since there was the possibility there, I thought it was worth mentioning, even though I don't have much knowledge on that.
CDLing is not worth it without Blessed Body 4+, Acumen 3, Zerk 2, and Empower 3 in a DC Robe Set (Tallum Same C.Spd, but -2 INT).
NM is the worst PvE set for Necros and Spellhowlers. We already have low MP Cost Nukes and C.Spd > M.Atk for PvE especially when you'd 2 shot the MOBs regardless... Because of Death Spike MP Cost, the MP Regen on NM robe set is not much of a factor for us, and C.Spd and Run Speed > the M.Atk it adds (since you will 2 shot regardless). The lack of runspeed is also bad if you /walk in densly populated (by MOBs) areas during XPing for increase MP Regen...
I'd think CDLing in VoS would be REALLY suicidal, especially after moving to the higher places. The teleporting mobs that divide into two are very tricky, and it's hard to predict where they'll spawn next. Might be right next to you as you're nuking another mob... and that's 4% loss for sure.
I did a lot of XP in VoS CDLing, but you run out of mobs. If you wait til the right level, you will 1 shot all the mobs with CDL.
It is bad to level like that there, because there are mobs that cast nukes and are agro there (Signet/Flash/Shout of Splendor). There have been times where I lagged and woke up to a Nuke flying my way (with < 200 HP). There are also mobs that port to you if you attack a MOB near them (Blade/Punishment/Wailing of Splendor) and they can instantly hit you when they port on you cause they use some Bluff type skill (does dmg and makes you turn around). It's too dangerous to be worth it. 74-76 is the only levels I'd advice CDL (at HS Tents). At 76 get a +3 Mace and put 25 Dark Attribute on it and go 2 shot in Shrine/Blazing Swamps, IMO.
Oh, and don't bother with NM Robe Set. DC Robes, and if you cannot afford it, stay in Avadon Robes until you can.
ahh ok so it's a nuke... let me go get the cheap +4con/-5str... gotta wait till next weak to buy the +4wit/-4men from mamon, should i also get +4int/-4men too?
and about demon set? is the slow cast speed and -hp gona be sufficient to lvl CDL style? and is this style sufficient across the C-S spectrum or it just work for a few lvl perhap to A grade only?
ty for your inputs.. really direct answers that hit the point of my question :)
Don't bother with the Mammon Tattos. Use +4/-5 (Int/Men, WIT/Men) until you get to 7x levels. They are not needed at the moment and the money is best spent on equipment. It's like 20 MP and 20 M.Def. My Sub is 72 and still has +4/-5 Tats on.
I wouldn't waste the money just yet. Once you get to 74 and have to start doing Varka/Ketra quest then you may want to upgrade those two tats.
That's a really bad way to XP, Lol. I did my SPS sub from 40-65 in 4 days before Vitality came out. You should not have to wait for Vitality to level. Every 2 days you wait for Vitality, you lost about a full level of XP (at low 5x levels, with not so high playtimes TBH).
:D Sorry to interrupt your Zerg. Can't predict when someone else's posting.
So I'll have to give FoTD a chance next level. I've tried HS but I need the summon if I want to successfully level there for now. Better to wait a few more levels.
I like my NM Robe set, but then again, it was the cheapest back then AND I go for looks most of the time instead of the "best". Although I'm already working towards my MAjor ARcana even though I hate the look (got almost all parts but the main piece).
And one thing is true about vitality, at higher levels, they start going faster than what you'll be able to achieve. I'm at a point (and I'm only 71 for now, almost 72) that I am starting to not care about vitality anymore. What I have, I have.
That's a really bad way to XP, Lol. I did my SPS sub from 40-65 in 4 days before Vitality came out. You should not have to wait for Vitality to level. Every 2 days you wait for Vitality, you lost about a full level of XP (at low 5x levels, with not so high playtimes TBH).
lol thread zerg.. me like.... yea but i'm stopping because my gear is out of date and i need some time to get new stuff.. mainly hunt for a cheap oe SoV... and i have other char to play too so.. necro is just a fun new alternative for me...
i'm not complaining so much about the cursed bone cost... because i know game mechanic always allow you to gain money on hunt rather than lost... it just the cumbersome nature of this concept of bone and shot in a small inventory... it's mana efficient and powerful but runing back and forth to buy them bother me alot more than i think it should, cuz i just don't like to.
about CDLing... i understand the nature of this technique now, and recognize that a PP support is helpful, but funny thing is... this necro is my PP's sub lol... but i think i'll be ok because i have a shillient saint and an eva saint supporting. I was thinking a bit earlier that I should go ahead and lvl my eva saint to 78 first to get PoWater.. that would definitely help...
concerning area to lvl.. i'm thinking.. at 52 after i acquire my gear for B grade.. i'm gona hit field of massacre and with holy weapon... those 55-60 undead mob will take me to A grade.. then I will grind Garden of Beast from 61-74.. then HS hut to 76.. and resub...
:D Sorry to interrupt your Zerg. Can't predict when someone else's posting.
So I'll have to give FoTD a chance next level. I've tried HS but I need the summon if I want to successfully level there for now. Better to wait a few more levels.
I like my NM Robe set, but then again, it was the cheapest back then AND I go for looks most of the time instead of the "best". Although I'm already working towards my MAjor ARcana even though I hate the look (got almost all parts but the main piece).
And one thing is true about vitality, at higher levels, they start going faster than what you'll be able to achieve. I'm at a point (and I'm only 71 for now, almost 72) that I am starting to not care about vitality anymore. What I have, I have.
Yes, FoTD is the best choice from 72-74. Unless you want to level slow as hell, you have basically no choice.
74-76 Hot Spring Tent CDLing is best, and it's not possible with NM Robes. You will have to upgrade to DC for that anyways, or Tallum if you have an OE'd SoM and can deal with the slower casting speed. I do like the Run Speed on DC, though. You feel slow when you aren't wearing it, after you get used to it.
And yep, waiting for Vitality = bad.
I just did 71 in 3 days at a leisurely past (on SPS, which is less mana-efficient than Necro). I could do 30% in like 2 hours and then I'd quit leveling/log off/chat/level alt/etc. Leveling up to 74 is insanely fast if you have at least an SE and a few hours a day to devote primarily to leveling.
Stay in VoS until 72. Make sure you do the quest and turn in every hour or so for the Asofe. Keep them and craft MASS MP POTS and a few HP Pots (don't need asofe for that :P ) for when you go to FoTD. Being able to use one whenever you need/want to is a very nice boost to you efficiency.
I feel FoTD has a much worse MP Herb Drop rate than VoS, personally.
You will hardly use MA for XPing on Necro, unless you have BD/PP or OL/SE/EE with PoW or DC with Magnus Chant. The casting speed is too slow (like NM). Most mobs that you'll be leveling on those levels will be 2 shot anyways, if you have an +3 mace and put 2 Dark stones on it. The casting speed of NM/Arcana can actually cause you to level slower. It's only worth using when it turns 3 shot mobs into 2 shots, when it has Attribute on it that's needed, or when you have stacked buffs for PvE. PvP is a different story (but it's kinda bad for PvP when you have an non-attributed set, too).
Arcana is like +500 M.Atk and -155'ish. That casting speed > that M.Atk on mobs that are already 2 shot - in most places you'll XP solo, they will be.
about CDLing... i understand the nature of this technique now, and recognize that a PP support is helpful, but funny thing is... this necro is my PP's sub lol... but i think i'll be ok because i have a shillient saint and an eva saint supporting. I was thinking a bit earlier that I should go ahead and lvl my eva saint to 78 first to get PoWater.. that would definitely help...
I think BtB is needed for CDL because the extra HP that BtB adds does not aid in increasing CDL damage, but it does allow you to maximize your damage at a higher HP level. Without BtB I needed to B2M down everytime it was available when I leveled from 74-76 in Hot Springs. With BtB4 I could go up to almost 500 HP without having to Body to Mind. That lets you be able to take a non-crit hit from a MOB there without dropping instantly.
concerning area to lvl.. i'm thinking.. at 52 after i acquire my gear for B grade.. i'm gona hit field of massacre and with holy weapon... those 55-60 undead mob will take me to A grade.. then I will grind Garden of Beast from 61-74.. then HS hut to 76.. and resub...
You just need an Avadon and/or Zubei Robe Set and a +3 Wizard Tear. +3 Wizard tear is 1 Weapon M.Atk more than a +8 Homu (but you can carry more stuff), and should last you to 72+. You probably have an A Grade weapon, so you don't really have to worry about it.
With a +3 SoV you can do Outlaw Forest until 56 at which time you should be able to 2 shot in the front of VoS (where you can grind to A Grade, and you prolly have an A Grade weapon on one of your buffers). I would not buy OE'd B Grade weapons, or Top B grade if you have other classes/gear for A Grade (DC Set, SoM, etc.).
Holy weapon does nothing for a Necro. You nukes are Dark Attribute, so the Attribute buff is basically a waste of a buff slot (does absolutely nothing).
Fields of Massacre is an absolutely terrible place for a Necro to level.
Outlaw Forest to 56, then hit up VoS until 72. You prolly dont' need to upgrade any gear yet, TBH. If you have an EE and Prophet Main Class + Shillen Saint, just put Karmian on one of the buffer and use their gear on you Necro sub while you're leveling through A Grade... Karmian + cheap +3 SoV should take you through B Grade easily with all that support. If you die, you have 80% Rez from EE.
PoW is nice but not necessary. Whole point of leveling a nuker up is to go where the mobs are 2 shot. It just makes the buffer a bit more complicated to box. At higher levels (namely S Grade levels) the Prophecy will definitely come in handy, so do level that Eva's Saint to 78. Next update it will become very annoying to box Prophecy buffers :(
As long as u find the empower herbs you should be more than fine.
Also, they have changed the split n' port mobs since some of those replies were done, they no longer do instant dmg on port.
Using EE/OL/SE buffs, i could easily cdl the group mobs even, and if I used pow I could cdl group mobs that had split/port mobs next to them lol.
At times I even got bored cdling in vos, which should hint that they made it way too easy to cdl there now. I even did 2 areas at the upper spot. But I hit 72 way too fast lol, and now Im searching for a better spot, maybe even for 3 shotting with bones, not like I need to worry about cost, since I can make huge amounts of adena on iop with my 78 Arcana lord :D
1 question
Necro is not regular summoner (like DA) so did element from weapon is transferred to summon?
Necro is not a summoner is a nuker who is feeding from death(summons).
Element of his weapon stays to him only.To xp with pet will only make sense if you have a buffer to buff cursed man and go catakomb to make aa,or on higher lvls hunt in pagans first rooms for the q or the new 80+melee areas again for q/drops.
For 50+ 70 vos is the ideal place created for nukers.
70+ 76 fod around night vampires circle,daytime mobs aren't a problem,on nights just move a bit to spiders mobs.
For a change u can nuke on blazingswamp,plenty of 3 shot mobs there.
CDL only if u dont lag,have btb and good c.speed,exept hs tents another place is vos on antilopes,but u do it only for a bit of fun.
Corpse burst on 50s in frozen labyrinth(again with btb and good buffs),kill/drain/kill,later on 76+ at fog-dino.
For weight problem you should have a belt and your buffer can have a pet fulled with your bones.(nscoft shoud fix this bones weight,it was created before cp pots ingame)
Well,you have enough tips to consider reroll into a necro :)