The Open Invitational is a 32 team PVP tournament with four(4) Divisions (A,B,C,D) where each division champion will qualify to participate in the Battle League of their respective servers.
2.)Etherian Lords
The Etherian Lords is a castle siege qualifier where clans conquer the castles to accumulate points to qualify for the Battle League. The top four (4) clans with the highest total points at the end of the scoring period will be eligible to send a team to represent their clan in the Battle League.
All eight (8) teams in the Battle League Finals per server will receive the following:
Six (6) Level 75 Great Wolves
Six (6) Enchanted Saltydog Fangs
Six (6) Great Wolf Plate Armor
Six (6) Purple Viking Helmets
The top three (3) teams server will receive items of their choice as specified below (excluding S80).
Aria Server:
Champion: Six (6) S Grade Weapons and six (6) S Grade Armor Sets of choice
1st Runner Up: Six (6) S Grade Armor Sets of choice
2nd Runner Up: Six (6) S Grade Weapons of choice
Blackbird Server:
Champion: Six (6) S Grade Weapons and six (6) S Grade Armor Sets of choice
1st Runner Up: Six (6) S Grade Armor Sets of choice
2nd Runner Up: Six (6) S Grade Weapons of choice
Cadmus Server:
Champion: Six (6) S Grade Armor Sets of choice
1st Runner Up: Six (6) S Grade Weapons of choice
2nd Runner Up: Six (6) A Grade Armor Sets of choice
-When players are caught cheating or using 3rd party program they are put into l2 jail! for a day!
- Take tips ncsoft this is how u keep a game alive instead of banning everybody and their mom. o and guess wat. There is always an active gm on the server playing.
Are people going to start a thread every time the SEA servers do something? They suck... They are a glorified Private Server, they don't care if you bot, and cheat pretty much, they give stupid XP bonuses, and overall they just suck, so can we stop comparing the two entities.
Apparently you support cheating, so perhaps L2 NA isn't for you, and having an Active GM playing on the server everyday doesn't leave any room for conflict of interest... No, Never.
Are people going to start a thread every time the SEA servers do something? They suck... They are a glorified Private Server, they don't care if you bot, and cheat pretty much, they give stupid XP bonuses, and overall they just suck, so can we stop comparing the two entities. I wouldn't want
at least they do something for playerbase. when was last time north american servers did nething like this? o wait 2 years ago? they do care about botting, u are put into l2 jail. STUPID EXP BONUSES? UR PLAYING l2 RITE? Who Doesnt want exp bonuses?
at least they do something for playerbase. when was last time north american servers did nething like this? o wait 2 years ago? they do care about botting, u are put into l2 jail.
They Don't? Last I checked we have been having new, and unique events... Your apparently interested in, and or supportive of botting. If you can't handle what L2 NA is, then I suggest you quit... because the day L2 NA resembles anything like what L2 SEA is, I would quit.
They Don't? Last I checked we have been having new, and unique events... Your apparently interested in, and or supportive of botting. If you can't handle what L2 NA is, then I suggest you quit... because the day L2 NA resembles anything like what L2 SEA is, I would quit.
name one. valentines day event ?rofl rofl rofl has nothing to do w botting. im legit player, has everything to do with showing support to playerbase.
at least they do something for playerbase. when was last time north american servers did nething like this? o wait 2 years ago? they do care about botting, u are put into l2 jail. STUPID EXP BONUSES? UR PLAYING l2 RITE? Who Doesnt want exp bonuses?
Get thrown in L2 Jail, For a Day... Oh No... That's a real punishment...
name one. valentines day event ?rofl rofl rofl has nothing to do w botting. im legit player, has everything to do with showing support to playerbase.
I never said you weren't a legit player, but when you say things like this:
-When players are caught cheating or using 3rd party program they are put into l2 jail! for a day!
- Take tips ncsoft this is how u keep a game alive instead of banning everybody and their mom. o and guess wat. There is always an active gm on the server playing.
well it is true, look at their player population compared to ours. when ppl bot and get ban they just start botting another account probably. so wat difference does it make. i dont want make this thread about botting.
look at the events on sea. double exp weekends? Qualifying tournaments through sieges? PURPLE VIKING HATS!!!!!how cool would it be to see the top clan from every server fight each other? pretty cool i think City of heroes actually does the double exp weekend thing at Ncsoft North America.
I think some of the events other regions have are amazing compared to the ones we have...whether the servers are junk and botted or not doesnt matter and is irrelevant to the thread..I'd put my xp on hold for for a 32 team PVP tourney any day.
I hope this was not left as bait for me to trash talk another territory.
Please do not try to tell me why 1 day of jail time for botting is a good idea. I ban them forever and they still come back. It would be better to just allow botting than to hand out 1 day jail times.
As for events… we have really been concentrating on events everyone can participate in. As fun as battle tourneys are, it boils down to a few elite that get to really participate. Think of this way. There are more heroes on the server than people that win top gear in a battle tourney.
(Please keep in mind that I have said the above with no knowledge of unannounced future events here.)
just so the PM's stop let me quickly point out why i said this is a HORRIBLE event:
#1 only a select few can participate. i.e. not open to everyone. i.e. the highest of the high level, the hardcorest of the hardore. Thanks to Spam for adressing this in his post.
#2 the prizes are silly. the participants would likely ALREADY have too much gear LET ALONE the WAREHOUSE space to store it in.
#3 the QQing aftermath of an event like this would only lead to a cataclysmic "i quit"
I hope this was not left as bait for me to trash talk another territory.
Please do not try to tell me why 1 day of jail time for botting is a good idea. I ban them forever and they still come back. It would be better to just allow botting than to hand out 1 day jail times.
As for events… we have really been concentrating on events everyone can participate in. As fun as battle tourneys are, it boils down to a few elite that get to really participate. Think of this way. There are more heroes on the server than people that win top gear in a battle tourney.
(Please keep in mind that I have said the above with no knowledge of unannounced future events here.)
^^
It's been amazing seeing you around here with this kind of frequency. ^^
you know what though, id appreciate leinancy in regards to obvious hacking attempts (like when my account ws banned for adena selling, they could see and told e they noticed it was accessed from somewhere in germany, (i live in NA) so it was obvious, however they refused to unban my acct. :(
I personally would perfer to have been put in l2 jail for a day ;)
you know what though, id appreciate leinancy in regards to obvious hacking attempts (like when my account ws banned for adena selling, they could see and told e they noticed it was accessed from somewhere in germany, (i live in NA) so it was obvious, however they refused to unban my acct. :(
I personally would perfer to have been put in l2 jail for a day ;)
Taken from the EULA 4(i)
Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NC Interactive. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NC Interactive reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(j) to identify and remove Former Members.
I'm sure he didn't receive the express written permission of NCSoft before getting in game again.
Spam ready to do your job and throw in the banhammer? He's admitted to being banned and still accessing the service.
As for events… we have really been concentrating on events everyone can participate in. As fun as battle tourneys are, it boils down to a few elite that get to really participate. Think of this way. There are more heroes on the server than people that win top gear in a battle tourney.
props spam
lot of logic in there
I actually spoke with a gm based on this previously and it weas through another account under my name, So they were aware of this and said I could keep my current account but they wern't able to unban the other account because it was banned for adena selling, even though it was under a seperate ip address at the time. so yes i did. thanks for trying to hinder though ;) appreciated.
Taken from the EULA 4(i)
Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NC Interactive. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NC Interactive reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(j) to identify and remove Former Members.
I'm sure he didn't receive the express written permission of NCSoft before getting in game again.
Spam ready to do your job and throw in the banhammer? He's admitted to being banned and still accessing the service.
Thanks for helping out. It is obvious that not every offence is a ban. While it would have been better him/her not air dirty laundry, it is their choice. Since the post was in no way encouraging other to break rules, I think I can let this one slide.
I can handle criticism of our procedures. (I believe that is now also obvious.)
I hope this was not left as bait for me to trash talk another territory.
Please do not try to tell me why 1 day of jail time for botting is a good idea. I ban them forever and they still come back. It would be better to just allow botting than to hand out 1 day jail times.
As for events… we have really been concentrating on events everyone can participate in. As fun as battle tourneys are, it boils down to a few elite that get to really participate. Think of this way. There are more heroes on the server than people that win top gear in a battle tourney.
(Please keep in mind that I have said the above with no knowledge of unannounced future events here.)
It's only open to a few elite if you make it open to a few elite.
If the playing field was leveled out then it would be available to everyone, and by that i mean using the transfer system as before onto the test server, but capping everyone to a single level and making an NPC with equipment available to use within the tournament only.
This one solution could make the event available to everyone. The only problem i can see is that so many more people would enter it would take a long time to get through it and already strain what little resources the L2 team have to breaking point.
Well since the other servers were brought up and since HGMSpam has replied here, here are a few suggestions for the NA servers:
1. Xp weekends 2-3-4x
2. All mobs possible drop Vit 4 30 min constant herb 1/1000 chance, after which vit returns back to where it was
3. All mobs possible except raid/boss drop 10x normal adena 1/1000 chance
4. All mobs possible drop herb that gives FULL high lvl buffs 1/1000 chance
5. GMs running though towns dropping items from banned accts
6. GMs actually making apparences in towns
7. GMs spawning Boss monsters outside towns that all lvl players can attack as a mob to gain xp/sp
8. GMs actually saying hello (blank) server how is everyone today
9. GM event where the gms take on the top players per server in the arenas so players can watch
10. GMs hiding an item somewhere then annouce it over globial chat giving one clue
11. BASICALLY JUST THE GMS SHOWING AN INTEREST IN THE GAME AND PLAYERS INSTEAD OF A FACELESS VOICELESS GHOST WE NEVER SEE OR HEAR FROM.
Now there are 11 simple suggestions that would help the NS servers feel more appreciated, now most players are just here grinding away at the giant xp walls. Give us a reason to apprecite u gms, make an effort to appreciate us, after all it is the players that are supporting this game, without the players there is NO game.
Just because Spam says it doesn’t make it automatically true and right!! (you guys are going to kill me for saying that :) ) <3 Spam
Yes I would lower the rewards, they are too much and bragging rights would be almost all the winner would need imo, although I kind of liked the out of game stuff NC gave away for some of the other events. And this is only one event..I didn’t say let’s make ALL events like this. I don’t think an inter-server competition once in a while is a bad thing. NC makes an event everybody can do and people complain it benefits the bots most, but make an event that only players would participate in (even if it was a small amount of payers) and people complain that not everybody can do it.
As for being only for a small portion of the L2 community, I could argue that the 'choose your destiny' event was only for a portion of the players, some were excluded. Some of the art or movie events are excluding artistic no talents like me, and dressing up? I bet most people voluntarily excluded themselves from that. So not all of the events that have happened here have been for all players looking at it from a realistic point of view (IE I know I COULD make some artwork so in that sense everybody can participate, but I also know it would be trash with a 0% chance of winning and I would be hunted down by artists worldwide).
Yeah, L2 jail for a day..ok I'll give you that one...I'd pay Spam to see the inside of a GM Jail :)
So I already know you all disagree with me...it's ok I still love you.
Anybody have any good ideas for any kinds of inter-server events that all players could participate in?
Well since the other servers were brought up and since HGMSpam has replied here, here are a few suggestions for the NA servers:
1. Xp weekends 2-3-4x
2. All mobs possible drop Vit 4 30 min constant herb 1/1000 chance, after which vit returns back to where it was
3. All mobs possible except raid/boss drop 10x normal adena 1/1000 chance
4. All mobs possible drop herb that gives FULL high lvl buffs 1/1000 chance
5. GMs running though towns dropping items from banned accts
6. GMs actually making apparences in towns
7. GMs spawning Boss monsters outside towns that all lvl players can attack as a mob to gain xp/sp
8. GMs actually saying hello (blank) server how is everyone today
9. GM event where the gms take on the top players per server in the arenas so players can watch
10. GMs hiding an item somewhere then annouce it over globial chat giving one clue
11. BASICALLY JUST THE GMS SHOWING AN INTEREST IN THE GAME AND PLAYERS INSTEAD OF A FACELESS VOICELESS GHOST WE NEVER SEE OR HEAR FROM.
Now there are 11 simple suggestions that would help the NS servers feel more appreciated, now most players are just here grinding away at the giant xp walls. Give us a reason to apprecite u gms, make an effort to appreciate us, after all it is the players that are supporting this game, without the players there is NO game.
First off, Xp events have been run a couple of times now. Lollipops? GK event?
The gms should say hello? arrf! When I read your post I am struck hard that what some think is good for the servers is not the same as what I think
Dropping gear from banned accounts haha :)
Well since the other servers were brought up and since HGMSpam has replied here, here are a few suggestions for the NA servers:
1. Xp weekends 2-3-4x
2. All mobs possible drop Vit 4 30 min constant herb 1/1000 chance, after which vit returns back to where it was
3. All mobs possible except raid/boss drop 10x normal adena 1/1000 chance
4. All mobs possible drop herb that gives FULL high lvl buffs 1/1000 chance
5. GMs running though towns dropping items from banned accts
6. GMs actually making apparences in towns
7. GMs spawning Boss monsters outside towns that all lvl players can attack as a mob to gain xp/sp
8. GMs actually saying hello (blank) server how is everyone today
9. GM event where the gms take on the top players per server in the arenas so players can watch
10. GMs hiding an item somewhere then annouce it over globial chat giving one clue
11. BASICALLY JUST THE GMS SHOWING AN INTEREST IN THE GAME AND PLAYERS INSTEAD OF A FACELESS VOICELESS GHOST WE NEVER SEE OR HEAR FROM.
Now there are 11 simple suggestions that would help the NS servers feel more appreciated, now most players are just here grinding away at the giant xp walls. Give us a reason to apprecite u gms, make an effort to appreciate us, after all it is the players that are supporting this game, without the players there is NO game.
you want NC to pay someone to play the game.
you know how often i see live GM's in WoW? ive never.
also, if you took the game like a game instead of as serious bizniss you would stop trying to make L2 more carebear than friggin Hello Kitty.
srsly? 2-4x exp weekends? is that all you do on the weekend?
i'm not trying to insult you man youve made at least one good suggestion there. but my gosh most of them would so unbalance economy and power that it would be really really impossible to play.
let me list you why:
1. handing out items randomly dropped by GM's from banned accounts means these items are likely highly OE'd or were the result of an Ebay. giving away these valuable items means +++++++++++cash for the lucky ******* that picked it up. likewise with hidden items. promoting more ebay cause knowing its a valuable item (like a drac bow or boss jewel) the player picking it up would SO raise the pricetag.
2. hidden items by GM's. bad idea. suddenly (as we had only a year ago now on Lionna) the clan with the most power camps all the port spots watching for players going to look for hidden stuff. causes more grief and spawns more ferocity against these clans than is merited.
3. not all players can hunt high level bosses like valakas or antharas, especially now that antharas has minions. asking for these guys to spawn means asking to loose exp. if you should so happen to be hunting in Ivory tower crater youre not going to like having valakas crispy-fy your bad self when he just suddenly "appeared". having them flash these mobs around also nullifies any use for the quest to get to these monsters. might as well not have it in the first place as it has become excess code.
4. what if i dont want to fight other high level players in the arena? my class is ranged, forcing me out of exp and into CQC in arena cripples me cause i need the range to kill. i need to kite. i cant do that in arena. i also dont want to fight in the first place, perhaps out of a more enjoyable experience pveing, perhaps cause i already lost a bunch of exp fighting wartags, perhaps cause the other side is just overpowered to begin with. the case in point is youre taking me into pvp unwillingly
i wont comment on your 10x adena rate cause its a moot idea. but so far youve managed to screw official servers with commonplace private server events.
its really not hard to earn adena or high end gear. it just takes a bit more time than lower level stuff that you can easily buy from NPC shops for cheap. adena likewise is pretty easy to come by even with NC's events. recently i made 15m selling creams and chocolates. enough to cover shots and ghp for a while. its been a lower income event for me, but well worth the 6hrs or so i spent earning event items.
Well since the other servers were brought up and since HGMSpam has replied here, here are a few suggestions for the NA servers:
1. Xp weekends 2-3-4x No.
2. All mobs possible drop Vit 4 30 min constant herb 1/1000 chance, after which vit returns back to where it was No.
3. All mobs possible except raid/boss drop 10x normal adena 1/1000 chance No.
4. All mobs possible drop herb that gives FULL high lvl buffs 1/1000 chance Fair enough, although your going to have a lot of annoyed buffers classes arguing against it.
5. GMs running though towns dropping items from banned accts No.
6. GMs actually making apparences in towns I would rather my GM's be doing things, then making social appearances.
7. GMs spawning Boss monsters outside towns that all lvl players can attack as a mob to gain xp/sp No.
8. GMs actually saying hello (blank) server how is everyone today Read #6, and why?
9. GM event where the gms take on the top players per server in the arenas so players can watch Would be Ok with this, but either make it open to Everyone, or only Hero's, but again.
10. GMs hiding an item somewhere then annouce it over globial chat giving one clue No. Perhaps an Event, and they have done an event like this a long time ago.
11. BASICALLY JUST THE GMS SHOWING AN INTEREST IN THE GAME AND PLAYERS INSTEAD OF A FACELESS VOICELESS GHOST WE NEVER SEE OR HEAR FROM. A GM does not need to make Public appearances to be doing their job, in fact one can argue it might be better that the GM and Player base be not associate, that way things can be done without any bias, or conflict of interest, but either way, Spam is always around of late.
Now there are 11 simple suggestions that would help the NS servers feel more appreciated, now most players are just here grinding away at the giant xp walls. Give us a reason to apprecite u gms, make an effort to appreciate us, after all it is the players that are supporting this game, without the players there is NO game.
These suggestions don't really help NA servers, and no offense, most of these seem they came directly from a Private Servers description. One thing I have noticed from years of this game is, the more a GM associates himself within a server, they more unrealistic demands that come about for that GM, and the more angry people that come on saying "It wasn't fair, I wasn't on during that time, I didn't get an equal chance!" So in reality, the majority of your ideas would do nothing more than cause a flood of drama, and headaches among the community, there is a reason GM's don't involve themselves so much. They would always have accusations about them helping someone, or not banning people cause their bias! They would get ******* at because some people got something, and other didn't.
A great example of this is a few PTS's ago, I was one of the few that hung around a GM a the whole group got boosted in level to 80 on the PTS. It was fun, we got to play with the GM's a bit, but guess what happened later that night and the following day? The forums were flooded with people complaining they didn't get the same, and it was unfair, and the GM made it unfair that some of us got stuff, and others didn't... GM got in trouble for it, and he pretty much didn't do anything else on the PTS.
That's why almost all your idea would never work, if not make things a headache for all.
4. what if i dont want to fight other high level players in the arena? my class is ranged, forcing me out of exp and into CQC in arena cripples me cause i need the range to kill. i need to kite. i cant do that in arena. i also dont want to fight in the first place, perhaps out of a more enjoyable experience pveing, perhaps cause i already lost a bunch of exp fighting wartags, perhaps cause the other side is just overpowered to begin with. the case in point is youre taking me into pvp unwillingly
This idea that he suggested is hilarious. It's already implemented on the servers... its called the olympiad and yes you can watch. In the next update they even have 3v3 olympiad you can watch...
Not saying I agree with OP, but I think it would be HI-LAR-E-US if suddenly, as a one time thing, Antharas spawned in Giran town square and started eating the shops.
It would be legendary. People would remember where they were that day and the tales would go forth and multiply.
It also might be the only chance for most of use to actually see the great beast.
If you have ever been around when some castle lord flew a wyvern into town, you would know what I mean, except times 100,000.
Not saying I agree with OP, but I think it would be HI-LAR-E-US if suddenly, as a one time thing, Antharas spawned in Giran town square and started eating the shops.
It would be legendary. People would remember where they were that day and the tales would go forth and multiply.
It also might be the only chance for most of use to actually see the great beast.
If you have ever been around when some castle lord flew a wyvern into town, you would know what I mean, except times 100,000.
Ok, you are making that into a MUCH bigger event than it actually would be. One of the only moments in my life where I know I'll remember where I was and what happened that day would have to be 9/11. Honestly antharas killing a few afk people is not nearly the same significance.... Pretty sure most would agree with me that there are very few huge events in life like what you are saying. (Berlin wall coming down, first man on the moon, apollo 13, 9/11, maybe something for individuals like getting engaged/married/first child being born) Antharas spawning is not one of those events or even close to it. Hell, if you've ever read about eve which only has one server the downfall of bob in the last year was supposed to be like the most epic thing ever in a game and that doesn't even come close to real life events.
Ok, you are making that into a MUCH bigger event than it actually would be. One of the only moments in my life where I know I'll remember where I was and what happened that day would have to be 9/11. Honestly antharas killing a few afk people is not nearly the same significance.... Pretty sure most would agree with me that there are very few huge events in life like what you are saying. (Berlin wall coming down, first man on the moon, apollo 13, 9/11, maybe something for individuals like getting engaged/married/first child being born) Antharas spawning is not one of those events or even close to it. Hell, if you've ever read about eve which only has one server the downfall of bob in the last year was supposed to be like the most epic thing ever in a game and that doesn't even come close to real life events.
Jeez you are Debbie downer. Some people have fun in this game.
Jeez you are Debbie downer. Some people have fun in this game.
Come on, jump in, the water is fine.
I have fun in the game too. I simply am not into RPing or seeing the land of Aden as a magical experience like some do. It would be great to experience everything in the light that Jute saw the game when she wrote her stories. When I first started playing I did see the world more like that. It is mainly the cheaters and what perceives to me to be a lack of action to stop the cheats which has jaded my outlook of this game. I have noticed in the past few months an increase in bot removal which gives me hope of being able to continue playing this game. (I had quit in the past and had told myself I'd never come back due to the amount of bots but then heard about bannings and reactivated account getting nostalgic about what fun beta was)
Come back to game Jute and keep writing your stories!
I started in Prelude, and the game still had errors. What made beta so fun?
It was all new at that point. Oh yeah the game had tons of errors.... there also weren't bots running around though and everyone was a noob. I remember how cool it was just finding out it was possible to rez somewhere with a scroll and not have to go all the way back to town. 9 man parties in school of dark arts and people not having SoEs. The 2k cost (or whatever it was back then) for a rez scroll was huge and even the SoE cost seemed to be a ton. There were hundreds of shops lining the hand sticking up in DE village. I remember doing some quest to get like a 10k dagger and selling it before my friends and them being jealous I had like 8k adena (there were like 8 of us on my floor at college who played in the beta) It took me around 8 hours to do a simple part of my SE lvl 40 quest because the mob names didn't fit with the quest description and I ran around the dungeon on TI (which I swam to BTW) for hours nuking every undead mob I could find. Yes, there are definately memories of this game that make me happy to have had them and that's a lot of the reason I keep coming back every time I quit for a few months :)
Oh, and pulling 1/4 of first floor cruma tower to AoE it was awesome... back when it was just porta and krators and no aggro mobs.
(hopefully that doesn't seem like a downer post spam because I'm smiling thinking of those memories)
yep NA > SEA
last year my friend get banned cuz he use to log a friend acct.
well... he logged one EE for rez sometimes and some day this guy get hacked and NC accuse my friend. So nice, nc was unable to find the real hacker (he have dynamic ip) and ban my friend. (:
After this weekend i'll maybe quit too
Would be nice to unban (rivetzom) him after all happen to him, he almost died in rl last year =\
I have fun in the game too. I simply am not into RPing or seeing the land of Aden as a magical experience like some do.
There is no doubting that for some people, the luster wears off quickly. I suspect that for a lot of people (not saying you, necessarily) it's because it's all about that immediate grind up to end-game. So few people take the time to experiment and explore, like Jute did, that they just burn out once they accomplish their goal of being "uber".
I've been playing since beta, I'm still not what most would classify as "uber" or "epic" because, quite frankly, that's not my cup of tea. But I have fun most of the time I log in, almost every time, because I'm always looking for something new. I'm looking for new ways to see the game, or to see a character, or to try something else.
I have my clan to thank for a lot of it. It's not just that we're an RP clan, but it's because we're tight-knit, supportive, and actually help each other, rather than "no, the XP is worth more than your company".
So for me, the luster's still there. I hope you can find some luster again, SallElf.
DISCLAIMER: For some of you with reading inparities, don`t brother reading. Just skim it like you normally do, then make your childlike responses.
You know some of you people have nothing better to do then TROLL the forums and make small childlike remarks, then hide behind the mask of bravadory.
Some of those suggestions actually have happened HERE in the NA servers, and others happened in the korean server.
Many years ago not often but it did happen GM`s would pop on game and shout good morning l2 world and chat for a couple of mins. It was nice to hear from them knowing they were actual people and thought ENOUGH of the players to chat with them.
The Koreans have had severial XP weekends, is the korean server a private server , humm i think not. An XP weekend is different then a lollypop or GK event, but again korean servers have had all these events severial times.
#2 3 and 4 would just add interest into the long grind that we have to do, if any of you had taken the time to truly read them u would have seen 1/1000 that means 1/1000 chance to drop, and if you had played this game enough you would know other drop items with a 1/1000 ratio hardly ever drop, SO it would be very scarce.
#5 it would not be high lvl items, there are more bot groups banned then high lvl players, and please DON`T insult any ones intel by saying you have never run behind someone leaving L2 that was running though town dropping items, I have seen mobs of people following other players doing this same thing, YES on the NA servers. And it would not hurt the economy, you cannot hurt a ruined economy, and the economy in L2 is ruined.
#6 Gms making appearences in town and chatting with players boost moral of the players, those players talk about it hours afterwards. I have seen this in other games, AND NO THEY WERE NOT PRIVATE SERVERS, 2moons was famious for this, the gms would pop ingame chatting and joking with the players, other games the GM`s would pop on chat for a few mins then leave, BUT each time, afterwords the players would talk about it for minutes afterwords.
#7 The boss mobs that were spawned had super high Pdef and HP but very low Patk, so therefore even low lvl players could attack it, but even with 100 or so players attacking it, it took well over 10 mins to kill. It was a blast to see a hundred or so players ranging from low grade to the top grade smacking on the same boss. Again this was in 2moons not a private server as one person that likes to insult people made mention.
#8 read #6 it takes a gm a mear few seconds to type a globial announcement saying hello such and such server, but players appreciate it. It lets players KNOW, YES there is someone watching.
#9 the gms would be full end game charactors, this would be open to anyone, but naturally only high lvl players would take part, BUT it would be fun to watch the normal players in such battle. AGAIN something like this, players talk about it hours afterwords. And to correct some statements, NO we do not have this, the OLY is a joke, point passing, buffed out to the max BOSS jewels, even some +6 boss jewels against normal players, and yes we all know how easy it is to make +6 boss jewels.
#10 Actually happened on the NA servers years ago, NOT a private server as some of u stated.
#11 lets face it, this game is the responsibility of the GMs, it is THEIR JOB.
If you make customers feel important they remain customers, thats economics 101. Even if your services aren`t as good or your prices are higher then a competitor, if you make the customer feel more at home or better after there visit they will come back.
The main opponents to XP weekends are those players that are 81+ with severial 7x subs and they do not want the normal players to get that high. BUT naturally they did it legit......
2MOONS had the most ingame active GMs i have ever seen, in ANY of the games i have played. They would come on, players would flock around them chatting, joking, yes some would try the gms out to see how bad they were, then laugh about it when they were laying on the ground, BUT it was fun, and was talked about for hours afterwords.
I have been here off and on since C2, i have seen GM interaction ingame in the past, BUT NONE lately. In the past the gms poping ingame, making shouts, joking, it was nice, it gave the normal player a feeling that yeah there were live GMs around. Now huh your guess is as good as mine, are they really around, do they ever pop in watching, sure there are a few reports, even some post about seeing a GM in these forums and each time the person felt better after seeing one, well unless u were the bot group that he nailed. BUT the point is that player felt better after seeing a GM ingame, THATS what is important.
Are people going to start a thread every time the SEA servers do something? They suck... They are a glorified Private Server, they don't care if you bot, and cheat pretty much, they give stupid XP bonuses, and overall they just suck, so can we stop comparing the two entities.
Apparently you support cheating, so perhaps L2 NA isn't for you, and having an Active GM playing on the server everyday doesn't leave any room for conflict of interest... No, Never.
This game needs an XP bonus.
DISCLAIMER: For some of you with reading inparities, don`t brother reading. Just skim it like you normally do, then make your childlike responses.
You know some of you people have nothing better to do then TROLL the forums and make small childlike remarks, then hide behind the mask of bravadory.
Some of those suggestions actually have happened HERE in the NA servers, and others happened in the korean server.
Many years ago not often but it did happen GM`s would pop on game and shout good morning l2 world and chat for a couple of mins. It was nice to hear from them knowing they were actual people and thought ENOUGH of the players to chat with them.
The Koreans have had severial XP weekends, is the korean server a private server , humm i think not. An XP weekend is different then a lollypop or GK event, but again korean servers have had all these events severial times.
#2 3 and 4 would just add interest into the long grind that we have to do, if any of you had taken the time to truly read them u would have seen 1/1000 that means 1/1000 chance to drop, and if you had played this game enough you would know other drop items with a 1/1000 ratio hardly ever drop, SO it would be very scarce.
#5 it would not be high lvl items, there are more bot groups banned then high lvl players, and please DON`T insult any ones intel by saying you have never run behind someone leaving L2 that was running though town dropping items, I have seen mobs of people following other players doing this same thing, YES on the NA servers. And it would not hurt the economy, you cannot hurt a ruined economy, and the economy in L2 is ruined.
#6 Gms making appearences in town and chatting with players boost moral of the players, those players talk about it hours afterwards. I have seen this in other games, AND NO THEY WERE NOT PRIVATE SERVERS, 2moons was famious for this, the gms would pop ingame chatting and joking with the players, other games the GM`s would pop on chat for a few mins then leave, BUT each time, afterwords the players would talk about it for minutes afterwords.
#7 The boss mobs that were spawned had super high Pdef and HP but very low Patk, so therefore even low lvl players could attack it, but even with 100 or so players attacking it, it took well over 10 mins to kill. It was a blast to see a hundred or so players ranging from low grade to the top grade smacking on the same boss. Again this was in 2moons not a private server as one person that likes to insult people made mention.
#8 read #6 it takes a gm a mear few seconds to type a globial announcement saying hello such and such server, but players appreciate it. It lets players KNOW, YES there is someone watching.
#9 the gms would be full end game charactors, this would be open to anyone, but naturally only high lvl players would take part, BUT it would be fun to watch the normal players in such battle. AGAIN something like this, players talk about it hours afterwords. And to correct some statements, NO we do not have this, the OLY is a joke, point passing, buffed out to the max BOSS jewels, even some +6 boss jewels against normal players, and yes we all know how easy it is to make +6 boss jewels.
#10 Actually happened on the NA servers years ago, NOT a private server as some of u stated.
#11 lets face it, this game is the responsibility of the GMs, it is THEIR JOB.
If you make customers feel important they remain customers, thats economics 101. Even if your services aren`t as good or your prices are higher then a competitor, if you make the customer feel more at home or better after there visit they will come back.
The main opponents to XP weekends are those players that are 81+ with severial 7x subs and they do not want the normal players to get that high. BUT naturally they did it legit......
2MOONS had the most ingame active GMs i have ever seen, in ANY of the games i have played. They would come on, players would flock around them chatting, joking, yes some would try the gms out to see how bad they were, then laugh about it when they were laying on the ground, BUT it was fun, and was talked about for hours afterwords.
I have been here off and on since C2, i have seen GM interaction ingame in the past, BUT NONE lately. In the past the gms poping ingame, making shouts, joking, it was nice, it gave the normal player a feeling that yeah there were live GMs around. Now huh your guess is as good as mine, are they really around, do they ever pop in watching, sure there are a few reports, even some post about seeing a GM in these forums and each time the person felt better after seeing one, well unless u were the bot group that he nailed. BUT the point is that player felt better after seeing a GM ingame, THATS what is important.
so... um... whats your point?
Do I have a reading "inparity" or do you always just ramble on and on repeating your self endlessly?
Its pretty obvious we need more GM interaction, I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
also, Korea is a Private server. i.e. you have to have a Korean SSN in order to create an account to access their servers.
meanwhile L2NA has no such limitations. for all intents and purposes L2NA is the only Public server that anyone in the world can access.
you really arent thinking beyond your own scope of reality. there are in fact a lot of other players that have NO use for your suggestions of boosted EXP or Money.
Spud, you are living in a turtle shell, Korea is the maker of this game, all monies filter down to korea, calling them a private server is unrealistic.
Private servers intone, bootlegged source code run by private individuals who set the xp/sp/adena rates at 10-20x the offical game.
Go to giren and shout " All those that agree we need XP events like the koreans get please shout yes" you would be overwhelmed with shouts.
Even the 2 posters above you agree in part with me:
Jayy, Its pretty obvious we need more GM interaction, I don't think anyone is arguing that point.
Trensharo, This game needs an XP bonus.
Thats just 2 people, go to giren and ask the players there, poll them how they would feel about any of my suggestions, and you would see many agree.
Yes i do tend to get long winded, you cannot change something by just saying "such and such needs to be changed, you have to express your ideas and reasons for others to fully understand your meaning".....
i'm fairly high lvl and i get more xp per hour than alot of classes and i still think the game needs more xp events or even a flat increase to xp per mob across the board
i'm opposed to any sort of weekend xp bonus since i choose not to play weekeneds (weekends are for fun not L2 :P) but i did like the valentines agathon for the few days i got to use it - log in at lvl 2 vitality, kill mobs for 5 mins for full vitality and spend 15 mins with full vitality before it's gone 10 mins later
everyone getting one of those guys permanently would be a good start imo
but i did like the valentines agathon for the few days i got to use it - log in at lvl 2 vitality, kill mobs for 5 mins for full vitality and spend 15 mins with full vitality before it's gone 10 mins later
everyone getting one of those guys permanently would be a good start imo
Instead of getting a perma item like that, I would suggest that the vit herbs drop more often and also from mobs that don't drop herbs as well. It is always fun to have the red smoke emanating from my armor and there is a rush of adrenalin trying to kill as fast as possible while that unexpected bonus hits.
Yey, they got bots too... No one said they were a flawless paradise with no bots or cheaters... far from it O.o, any and all games/services have them, fact.
And the funny fact in that flick is that the person pking the botting hero seems to be using an illegal software too... oh the irony.
Yey, they got bots too... No one said they were a flawless paradise with no bots or cheaters... far from it O.o, any and all games/services have them, fact.
And the funny fact in that flick is that the person pking the botting hero seems to be using an illegal software too... oh the irony.
LOL I just noticed that to. He to was using a botting software
The good news is that if they get caught they will recieve 1 day in GM jail. Heh.
the first time they are caught yes. the 2nd time is 1 week, the 3rd time is perm suspension. HEH 3 strikes and your out.
giving ppl a 2nd chance to play legit. theres nothing wrong with that when the playerbase needs players.
Yes, Giving people two free passes to bot as much as they can makes sense.
or a chance to turn around and start playing like every1 else does instead of cheating. some people may start playing legit others might jsut start botting again. who knows. it can go both ways.
but honestly WTB Double EXP Weekends Plz <3 Would this be hard to do SPAM?
or a chance to turn around and start playing like every1 else does instead of cheating.
How do you figure? People knowingly cheat, and your encouraging by giving them two free "Get out of Jail Free" cards. That doesn't solve anything, your just encouraging people to go ahead and cheat more... It's a terrible argument your trying to make here, I have no idea why your trying to make it honestly.
There is no mistake involved in that, it's offering people two chances to get away with whatever they can free of a Ban... It's not like someone would accidentally be botting, not knowing it was bad... then they would be doing it accidentally again a second time, lol.
How do you figure? People knowingly cheat, and your encouraging by giving them two free "Get out of Jail Free" cards. That doesn't solve anything, your just encouraging people to go ahead and cheat more... It's a terrible argument your trying to make here, I have no idea why your trying to make it honestly.
when people get banned first time, they prolly realize gms are doing their jobs, so they cant get away with cheating. so some turn to playing legit? instead of losing them as players all together. u act like im encouraging botting or something, all im saying is some people get 2nd chances and turn things around, others dont. u cant say it will go one way or the other. u sound like politician with the YOUR EITHIER FAR RIGHT OR FAR LEFT. give me a break.
STILL WTB DOuble EXP WEEKENDS :) SPam have u ever considered doing a double exp weekend?
when people get banned first time, they prolly realize gms are doing their jobs, so they cant get away with cheating. so some turn to playing legit? instead of losing them as players all together. u act like im encouraging botting or something, all im saying is some people get 2nd chances and turn things around, others dont. u cant say it will go one or the other.
That's a horrible argument...
"I'm gonna break the rules, just to make sure they are enforcing them!"
It's simple, people who bot take a chance... If they get caught, and get banned, then they do... if they don't, they don't They aren't going to catch everyone botting.
Botting is a Risk/Reward system... Is it worth Risking your account, for the levels? Some think so, hence they do it... If they get away with it, they are typically rewarded... if they don't get away with it, they typically lose everything.
u cant say it will go one way or the other. u sound like politician with the YOUR EITHIER FAR RIGHT OR FAR LEFT. give me a break.
No, lol?
Your acting like there is a Gray Area here, which there isn't... It's simple, there is you either Follow the Rules, or Break them... There is no Gray Area, lol.
well its been like that on NA servers untill a week ago when gms actually started doing something 4 years into the game.
You haven't been around a very long time, if your only seeing people getting banned ONLY within the past few weeks. There have been hundreds of accounts banned over the years that I know of alone, people I knew in game, and so on... so don't come at this like they are ONLY starting to do it recently...
well its been like that on NA servers untill a month ago when gms actually started doing something 4 years into the game.
Whoooooaaaa! Hold your horses there buddy. I have been here working on Lineage II for over 5 years. That is longer than anyone here. I ran the beta program. We have been banning botters since day one. We have been banning A LOT of botters from day one. We have banned more accounts for botting than most games have customers. Please don't think this is something new just because I'm all chatty on the boards.
AS for double XP weekends... I don't make those decisions. They have been talked about in the past though.
Whoooooaaaa! Hold your horses there buddy. I have been here working on Lineage II for over 5 years. That is longer than anyone here. I ran the beta program. We have been banning botters since day one. We have been banning A LOT of botters from day one. We have banned more accounts for botting than most games have customers. Please don't think this is something new just because I'm all chatty on the boards.
AS for double XP weekends... I don't make those decisions. They have been talked about in the past though.
i had no idea about that. thanks for the reply. AND PLZ PUSH UR HIGHER UPS TO DO DOUBLE EXP WEEKENDS <3 long time if they start coming out.
People requesting increased xp rates must seem so weak... but hey, I agree with you all, who needs to grind like crazy, making it easier would still leave you with a lot to do.. heck 3 subclasses... lvl 85 cap on main... come one, even with x4 exp (currently vita 4 gives x3) we'd still level very very slow and require a lot of in game time so you wouldn't loose customers due to reaching level cap to soon.. lol, that's out of the question ;).
However making exp gain way higher will have a negative impact on SP gain, they won't match up. I think the 2 should be related.
P.S. noooo, my 1337 post count is gone :(, oh well :)
WTB!! it should be on the Agenda of every meeting imo ^^
Might be nice to see a few of the servers actually move from 'Light' for a few days...if it were advertised beforehand and people actually knew about it.
AS for double XP weekends... I don't make those decisions. They have been talked about in the past though.
Why just talked about, Korea gets them, and other events, even some multiple times versus the NA servers. Are we as players less worthy of such events, is our money of less value then theres.
Talk to the korean players they get multiple events versus our few, WHY?
Most legit players will never see the end game content.
Most legit players will never see there main at end game lvl, much less there 2-3 subs.
How comical is it that the xp needed to go from 77-78 is almost the same amount needed to go from lvl 1- 77.
How comical is it that the xp needed to go from 78-79 is MORE then what is needed to go from lvl 1 - 77.
And players wonder WHY there are so many bots.
I have just made S grade after being here since C2, other players that i have known for years are 76-78 on there mains with one or perhaps two subs lvl 65+.
Then u have the chars you have never seen before in your grinding areas suddenly NOBLE or HERO. Gee how did they get there so fast.............
AS for double XP weekends... I don't make those decisions. They have been talked about in the past though.
Why just talked about, Korea gets them, and other events, even some multiple times versus the NA servers. Are we as players less worthy of such events, is our money of less value then theres.
Talk to the korean players they get multiple events versus our few, WHY?
Most legit players will never see the end game content.
Most legit players will never see there main at end game lvl, much less there 2-3 subs.
How comical is it that the xp needed to go from 77-78 is almost the same amount needed to go from lvl 1- 77.
How comical is it that the xp needed to go from 78-79 is MORE then what is needed to go from lvl 1 - 77.
And players wonder WHY there are so many bots.
I have just made S grade after being here since C2, other players that i have known for years are 76-78 on there mains with one or perhaps two subs lvl 65+.
Then u have the chars you have never seen before in your grinding areas suddenly NOBLE or HERO. Gee how did they get there so fast.............
Its obvious that we generally do not like our players. Korea tries to force us to have really cool events and we have to spend most of our time telling them "No way, our players don't want events." /sarcasm off
Come on now. I understand the grass is always greener on the other side. We do not purposely NOT give you events (sorry for the double negetive.) We make plans to do cool things, and sometimes they work out and some times they don't.
Tell you what, if you can find an official post about KR having a double XP weekend I will personally promise to bring it up at every single meeting. (Please do not link me the SEA double XP weekend stuff.)
AS for double XP weekends... I don't make those decisions. They have been talked about in the past though.
Why just talked about, Korea gets them, and other events, even some multiple times versus the NA servers. Are we as players less worthy of such events, is our money of less value then theres.
Talk to the korean players they get multiple events versus our few, WHY?
Most legit players will never see the end game content.
Most legit players will never see there main at end game lvl, much less there 2-3 subs.
How comical is it that the xp needed to go from 77-78 is almost the same amount needed to go from lvl 1- 77.
How comical is it that the xp needed to go from 78-79 is MORE then what is needed to go from lvl 1 - 77.
And players wonder WHY there are so many bots.
I have just made S grade after being here since C2, other players that i have known for years are 76-78 on there mains with one or perhaps two subs lvl 65+.
Then u have the chars you have never seen before in your grinding areas suddenly NOBLE or HERO. Gee how did they get there so fast.............
the only thing i can tell you is some people actually do have nothing to do all day but play Lineage2. these are the people that passed you.
throwing mud at high levels used to be a hobby of mine, but as ive grown in lineage2 i realize how profitable every minute spent EXPing is. its really not that hard to level once you knuckle down.
also, you probably werent around for the _AWESOME_ aoe powerlevel sessions that occured with high frequency back in Prelude to C2. back then you could train 1000 (literally) mobs and AOE blast them in 1hit.
i know _SEVERAL_ people that utilized this to the fullest extent and were 76 the first day C3 came out.
HGmSpam: Tell you what, if you can find an official post about KR having a double XP weekend I will personally promise to bring it up at every single meeting. (Please do not link me the SEA double XP weekend stuff.)
Challange accepted
Spud: also, you probably werent around for the _AWESOME_ aoe powerlevel sessions that occured with high frequency back in Prelude to C2. back then you could train 1000 (literally) mobs and AOE blast them in 1hit.
Ahh spud, what you are referring to is the big boom exploit, and that was after c2, abandoned battlefield, if i am not mistaken that was c3 early c4 or somewhere around there. (Correction in my next post pertaining to the word exploit here)
Also as a footnote, wether your personel opinion of L2sea is a gloryfied private server or not, THEY are an OFFICIAL L2 server, obtaining the game rights from korea legal. So therefore the events they hold are sanctioned by korea.
The main point here is, only a certain % of the NA and Euro players will ever see end game content. After 5 years and the total # of end game players is a mear handfull, with some of them questionable that speaks volumes about the xp and the massive XP walls included in this game.
The players are not asking for instant porting to end game levels, BUT they are asking for atleast the chance to see end game content before they are 80 years old. This is a game, it is ment for entertainmant purposes, if the only entertainment players get is massive grinding to reach mid high end lvls how is that fun, its not it increases the # of bots and botted toons.
We the players ARE NOT asking to be able to become end game lvl chars in one weekend of xp events, or even one month of xp weekends but AFTER 5 YEARS THERE SHOULD BE MORE. The lack of high level end game legit players speaks for itself. The recient bans of high lvl players speaks for itself, Don`t give us xp BUT allow us the chance to aquire that same xp over a course of time not centuries.
One of the main reasons so many players have left is the massive xp walls, they become frustrated, feeling they as legit players will never see or experience the areas set aside for the end game players. It is game self presvervation, meaning to keep a game alive longer, that is why the xp walls are there , to keep players playing for years. As long as players are playing income is being generated, BUT, there has to be a balance point and this game has overstepped that.
As the xp walls become stiffer the # of botting players increases to reach those higher levels, with the increase in botting players more players become dissatisfied and leave.
Big Boom Exploit? No, it was how it worked. All summons were the same. It was in Ancient Battleground. Ah, I remember those days, riding on a strider collecting mobs. PVPing for "The Hill". Being told over and over again: "Get some bloodies this time." Brings back memories.
Mystickal, yes ty for correcting me, it was not an exploit it was the design of it. As the word exploit brings to mind cheating i want to correct myself, the big boom was used as intended, but was soon nerfed.
Again ty for correcting me and if i offended anyone calling big boom an exploit i appoligize.
It was a sort of exploit, but since they didn't sanction it as an exploit.. it wasn't officially an exploit. But admittedly it was broken due to game play mechanics (after summoned pet dies mobs weren't aggroing the summoner...)
About your previous post about "taking time but not centuries", I couldn't agree more.
It takes too much mindless grind to get somewhere and many either reach it after... oh so many years or invest a lot of time in game effort and financial effort (as in buffer accounts which are by all standards legit if you handle them without botting programs).. or quit before that ever happens.
Quitting is where heaps of people went, lack of gratification results in people simply quitting and taking up more gratifying things with better returns within the same allotted time.
I don't speak of instant gratification or "little to no effort" to get something, I speak of diversity and more decent rewards with the little time many people have to play, most people need to feel that they made some progress besides that measly few percent at higher levels after mind numbingly killing the same mobs for a few hours...
Spam, I am truly wondering, isn't there some way to make L2 more diverse ? With more gratification for people who spend less time playing ?
XP weekends and/or other similar events would at the very least speed things up a wee bit for those people who don't play much anyway.
About having "x2 xp weekends" .. well... some people won't ever be able to play in the weekends, not all people work Monday to Friday you know, and some have significant family (or similar) obligations on weekends that are otherwise forgiven after a long day's work (school/whatever), when chilling comfortably with some friends in L2 is more relaxing..
Could make it 1 work day and 1 weekend day, or whatever combinations you can think of and are plausible..
As much as we have fun discussing these things, I've got the feeling that it's in vain.
It was a sort of exploit, but since they didn't sanction it as an exploit.. it wasn't officially an exploit. But admittedly it was broken due to game play mechanics (after summoned pet dies mobs weren't aggroing the summoner...)it was about as much of an exploit as soloing raids with pets imo
the exploit part was not that the summon died and the summoner didn't get agro which was standard amongst all summoners, the problem was that when you ran out of range anyone else in party got full xp as if you weren't there meaning lvl 1 toons got xp from 60+ mobs as if they were soloing them
thats my se which i always say was born from the fire of a thousand big booms and pretty much anyone i knew that big booned actually went to the trouble of asking a GM if it was ok to plvl toons using the glitch/exploit because truthfully everyone knew it was wrong
just fyi at the same time that happened you could also take a high lvl summoner to a 70+ cata and solo a room with the low lvl targetting mobs for you to assist or use an overlord to root and poison a billion mobs so you could one hit them all for full xp
EDIT:again +1 for more xp events but please don't use the assumption that everyone plays a few hours a week and then logs 40 hours on the weekend
Oh I see, ok, that was certainly not working as intended, but they didn't take any action against it so I guess it was acceptable.. :)
As I said, it is bad to assume that all people play more on weekends but isn't it safe to assume that most do ? At least most of the subscriber population?
I must say, the events have gotten very weak and are all along the same lines. Go out, kill mobs, turn in items for a 1/1,000 chance at getting 10 greater healing pots. I'm not just using this as a chance to gripe, I really feel as if this game is approaching it's deathbed with the attitude of denial that it is actually coming.
I have played this game since open beta, and have played every single class, and gotten 4 characters to noble and one to hero, and I will leave the very first chance I get. We are finally getting good updates after YEARS of terrible ones, ie C2-interlude, and next to no advertising to bring in a new player base. NCNA has been sitting on a gold mine and finally making a miniscule push when it's already too late.
Sure, xp events would've been great, beginning 3 years ago or more... GOOD events would've been great ever since the last GOOD event we had(the one where boss mobs would spawn in random places and had insanely good drops)...
sadly, many people won't share my outlook but banning all of those accounts has a very negative impact on Lienage 2 NA. Firstly in game, the economy has turned to crap on every server. The same people who complain about the bots turn around and buy adena from them just to afford material prices that have skyrocketed since all the trains farming said mats have been banned. Secondly, it can't be healthy from a profit point of view as a company to just terminate regularly subscribers thousands a week as Spam has said.
One very solid suggestion to clear this entire mess up would be, rather than playing server police trying to cure the "cancer" of L2, why not protect your base you have now and improve on their quality of play. Bots or no bots, there aren't enough places to XP.... If there were 10 times the amount of areas to xp in given the same rates/drops/spawns, no one would care about the bots, you would sustain your subscriptions, or increase them.
Sure I am only speculating on the idea that NCsoft north america is losing money and it's player base in lineage 2, but that's because I see myself being neglected as a player for about 5 years all just so all of the time and money that is allocated to NA servers has been spent on bot banning(as it would seem)..
Better events, more options for xp, quests that are actually WORTH doing beyond lvl 20 other than to get into hellbound and get rid of desert heat, a form of assistance for players who want to go solo in their time, ways for the common player to get to the end game. It's terrible, this game is no place for the weak, and definitely no place for new players who don't intend on botting, because you will never get ahead now, it's WELL beyond too late.
those insanely good drops from those raid bosses were B and A gear. remember, this was C3, the age where people ebayed for a 350m adena worth Cheapshot Soulbow +3. or a Maj set worth another 275m for the helm alone. your vision of the past is skewed.
now a days insanely good drops would have to be nothing short of S full unsealed items complete with 2000 element stones.
youre asking to void the effort to get to end game.
no the point is, they've made some absolutely ******ed decisions.. like removing full drops and replacing them with common.. yet another way they've screwed the player based economy. Foundation screw up, making them completely worthless. I spent too much time and money crafting a draconic set only to have the final piece LA come out foundation. It sat in my warehouse for a month and a half before I could re-craft, AND IT FAILED.. it's ignorance like this that makes me wonder if the developers even play this game or not. They cannot have the players who do in mind when they make decisions.
I would GLADLY take that exact event again dropping full B and A drops even though I'm capable of wearing S80.. Anytime, it was a fun event, MANY MANY people could reap the benefits, and it wasn't based on grinding for 32 hours a day 9 days a week in order to make 3 stupid cakes in the entire 7 day event period.
sadly, many people won't share my outlook but banning all of those accounts has a very negative impact on Lienage 2 NA (1). Firstly in game, the economy has turned to crap (2) on every server. The same people who complain about the bots turn around and buy adena from them just to afford material prices that have skyrocketed since all the trains farming said mats have been banned (3). Secondly, it can't be healthy from a profit point of view as a company to just terminate regularly subscribers thousands (1) a week as Spam has said.
One very solid suggestion to clear this entire mess up would be, rather than playing server police trying to cure the "cancer" of L2, why not protect your base you have now and improve on their quality of play. Bots or no bots, there aren't enough places to XP.... If there were 10 times the amount of areas to xp in given the same rates/drops/spawns, no one would care about the bots, you would sustain your subscriptions, or increase them (1).
Sure I am only speculating on the idea that NCsoft north america is losing money and it's player base in lineage 2, but that's because I see myself being neglected as a player for about 5 years all just so all of the time and money that is allocated to NA servers has been spent on bot banning(as it would seem).. (1)
so what you are saying is that you want botting to be legal
now about the parts I have highlighted:
1. how many players would play L2 is botting where legal? how many new players would we have if botting was legal?
the answer tho thoe questions: none
clean servers attract more new players and makes the game more ejoyable for the live legit players and more fair
2. yes prices has gone up, but when no one can buy adena anymore the prices will go down by hell of alot since no one will be able to afford to buy them.
3. now atleast the BH can make some adena again by farming mats and you can do manor without having to fight against 50 bots that turns in the crop almost faster than you can click the second the NPC's starts to buy crop
so what you are saying is that you want botting to be legal
now about the parts I have highlighted:
1. how many players would play L2 is botting where legal? how many new players would we have if botting was legal?
the answer tho thoe questions: none
clean servers attract more new players and makes the game more ejoyable for the live legit players and more fair
2. yes prices has gone up, but when no one can buy adena anymore the prices will go down by hell of alot since no one will be able to afford to buy them.
3. now atleast the BH can make some adena again by farming mats and you can do manor without having to fight against 50 bots that turns in the crop almost faster than you can click the second the NPC's starts to buy crop
I haven't played an MMO to date that didn't have people playing illegaly in whatever different way. My first mmorpg earth and beyond people used scripts to eliminate the 2 solid weeks of doing trade jobs to gain levels needed. I can name many more games where it's unnecessary to bot but they still do(WoW for example), but if the grind weren't so ridiculous then players wouldnt have to bot. I mean seriously, I'm coming to terms with the fact I played this game 5 years and have never been max level. If I kept playing, I wouldn't hit 85 before the cap was 90 and so on and so forth.
If they banned all the farmers, how would we get mats? Yet another SERIOUS FLAW to the game. Using the manor system for 8 hours a day with characters in range of every type of mat needed would get all your materials with no problem, but why should someone who is level 80 already need 3 other characters, or 2 and a sub JUST TO FARM MATS that have been dropping since level 1?? it's ridiculous. Farmers gone = NO MATS, therefore if people aren't buying adena or are buying adena, there are no mats to buy. The fewer the mats, higher the price because demand doesn't change.. Hey full drops are gone too and this = less items on the market which in return = higher prices on mats.. Common items are ******ed, I use special abilities to increase exp rates, enchanting and augmenting as well..
There are serious flaws that will never be corrected that make the game difficult beyond legitimate means for all.. Say what you will about my statement, but for someone like me who some periods of time only get 2-3 hours of playtime a day IF THAT MUCH can never get where others are going.. Big clan or not, 2-3 boxing or not. the dops system is sweet, I got more materials for crafting from level 1-25 than I did 26-80... rofl!!
L2 isn't WoW or some other MMO where you play 2-5 hours and you get a top grade armor.
In L2 you have to work for it. Don't like it? quit
To get s armor rcp you need lvl 5 alliance with ketra/varka and badges/manes to get a random rcp or adena (no need to say that it takes weeks to get all the materials)
To get a random s weapon rcp you need 1000 items in IT or 1200 items in FoG to choose a rcp.
not to mention the S80 stuff.
If L2 was suposed to be as easy as you want it to be, do you think that those quests would be so hard or needing so many items to complete?
Manor/Spoil to get mats or farm adena on HB and buy the mats. you make more adena there per day than most players don't even make in a week.
If you got more mats from 1-25 than from 26-80 then stop hunting dark blue mobs...
Sometimes L2 seems a bit to hard. But well its good like that...you need to bring a lot of effort to it. If you cant because you were maybe used from WoW or other then dont try L2.
L2 isn't WoW or some other MMO where you play 2-5 hours and you get a top grade armor.
In L2 you have to work for it. Don't like it? quit
To get s armor rcp you need lvl 5 alliance with ketra/varka and badges/manes to get a random rcp or adena (no need to say that it takes weeks to get all the materials)
To get a random s weapon rcp you need 1000 items in IT or 1200 items in FoG to choose a rcp.
not to mention the S80 stuff.
If L2 was suposed to be as easy as you want it to be, do you think that those quests would be so hard or needing so many items to complete?
Manor/Spoil to get mats or farm adena on HB and buy the mats. you make more adena there per day than most players don't even make in a week.
If you got more mats from 1-25 than from 26-80 then stop hunting dark blue mobs...
your entire post shows how well you know this game... all mats doesnt consist of the recipes and the main materials(ie the glove, boot, helm, main piece parts), it consists of thousands of animal bones, enria, ori ore, etc,.... and considering from lvl 79-80 grinding in the highest spots in the game, I got maybe 1/100th of the basic materials necessary for 1 single recipe craft S grade.
You talk about the manor like anyone can do it at anytime, which definitely isn't true. Some seeds for some mats you must be in level range for, if you don't have a character that level you either need a subclass or another toon of said level to reap and sow the seeds. You completely avoided every point I made, which leads me to ask, did you even read my post or did you use selective reading to make up your BS response? lol
the fact is, this game has huge flaws, and you can't speak to me as if I don't know about them. Saying the whole "if you dont like it quit" is quite hilarious considering i've probably put in more time, and done more in this game than you and im still with it. This doesn't mean I'm no allowed to voice my opinion about the problems. I like Lineage 2 a lot, it has a HUGE amount of potential, however bad decisions on the part of the producers has caused this.
your entire post shows how well you know this game... all mats doesnt consist of the recipes and the main materials(ie the glove, boot, helm, main piece parts), it consists of thousands of animal bones, enria, ori ore, etc,.... and considering from lvl 79-80 grinding in the highest spots in the game, I got maybe 1/100th of the basic materials necessary for 1 single recipe craft S grade.
You talk about the manor like anyone can do it at anytime, which definitely isn't true. Some seeds for some mats you must be in level range for, if you don't have a character that level you either need a subclass or another toon of said level to reap and sow the seeds. You completely avoided every point I made, which leads me to ask, did you even read my post or did you use selective reading to make up your BS response? lol
the fact is, this game has huge flaws, and you can't speak to me as if I don't know about them. Saying the whole "if you dont like it quit" is quite hilarious considering i've probably put in more time, and done more in this game than you and im still with it. This doesn't mean I'm no allowed to voice my opinion about the problems. I like Lineage 2 a lot, it has a HUGE amount of potential, however bad decisions on the part of the producers has caused this.
The only flaw in this game are the players that wants everything withing 2-3 hours of grinding. Anything more than that and ppl complain that it's to hard.
The only flaw in this game are the players that wants everything withing 2-3 hours of grinding. Anything more than that and ppl complain that it's to hard.
I think nobody really wants everything from 2-3 hours. Where's the reward in that?
However an increase in what every hour spent in L2 returns.. no one would mind, make things more rewarding in a shorter amount of time, that's reasonable. By shorter I don't mean from 1 month to 1 hour, but I do mean from 1 month to 1 or 2 weeks. (intervals chosen at random, for example's sake.. doh)
well this event is a realy good event i think. I saw that in Asia at almost all country the gms made this event. It is an intersting and not usually event i think it can be successful at us too.
When I ask friends whom plays Ragnarok, WoW and other MMOs why they dont like/try L2, 90% of them says that they really like L2, its graphics, its soundtrack, its pvp system, but, sadly, is too hard. Endless grinding is the main excuse.
Based on that, I think if they make L2 with 4x exp on weekends or something like that, more players would come.
Yeah, and thats why there are many priv servers around with more players than retail...
... Because they are Free, which in the end they really aren't free because you have people dumping boatloads of money to gain unrealistic items, and skills. Also, Private Servers have no retention on them, because I am sorry... if I wanted to play a game where I have Max out gear, and items within a few days... and everyone just 1 shots everyone, what fun is there in that? What is the replay value? - There is none.
When I ask friends whom plays Ragnarok, WoW and other MMOs why they dont like/try L2, 90% of them says that they really like L2, its graphics, its soundtrack, its pvp system, but, sadly, is too hard. Endless grinding is the main excuse.
Those are the exact reasons why I play this game. It keeps most of the kids/imature players away from this game and improve the quality.
I think it would be nice to have a player base large enough to support the original idea of the game. Large (more than 25 people active) clans actually going around gathering the resources and adding them to clan warehouse, with your crafter dwarfs outfitting the clan as the materials come in making the clan self-sufficient.
Instead with the lack of the playerbase, we have automated friends collecting the materials, crafting the goods and selling them.
I know we have ok sieges for castles, but yeah I think an additional 300 people per server added to that count would be awesome.
The people not playing retail are looking for a better excuse for wasting their time.
Enough of this crap that L2 was meant to be hard. L2 WAS MEANT TO HAVE PLAYERS. It's not "hard" when you actually have the playerbase. L2's Korean team already said they were stupid to make the grind epically ******ed, they corrected it in Aion (allegedly)
I want to have fun. Not develop carpal tunnel syndrome from repetitive motion.
I don't mind the grind. I like the fact that it takes a long time to get stronger. However, what really puts me off spending a lot of time and energy climbing the big hill from 79 to 81 is by the time I have done it... I still won't be anywhere near capable of PvPing with botted chars.
Should have left the level cap at 81. Legitimate people are only going to level past 81 if they stay in the game a LONG time (and by then the cap will be 90 or more) or are masocostic with plenty of time and lots of in game friends.
I accepted quite a while ago that I will never get what I truly want out of this game (PvPing with top players) unless I cheat like they do. You can't compete with botted chars so I'm not even going to try. I'll try and get as much out of the game as I can for now but for me the amount of cheating going on really hits the longevity of the game hard.
... Because they are Free yes, true., which in the end they really aren't free because you have people dumping boatloads of money to gain unrealistic items, and skills. not true, I think you dont know the good priv servers Also, Private Servers have no retention on them, because I am sorry... if I wanted to play a game where I have Max out gear, and items within a few days again, not true, if u think I'm refering to those crappy 200x servers, u are wrong, sorry... and everyone just 1 shots everyone, what fun is there in that? What is the replay value? well replay value.. lets see... the last priv server I played is still active (if i'm not wrong they are live for 2 or 3 years without a single wipe) and still have more or close ppl than retail. - There is none.
Read the red, and sorry, you really dont know what you talking about.
Read the red, and sorry, you really dont know what you talking about.
I know what I am talking about. If you feel Private Servers are the way to go, then why are you here? I know more people who have come to this game from Private Servers, than people who leave Retail to play Private Servers. That should tell you something.