I had it before, Trensh, up till a few months ago I was running Vista with 2GB. It runs fine, but you might need to put one client in low detail. Then again, not sure what your notion of fine is.
I had a 7600GS too so it didn't help much. But I could easily run up to 3 clients with low resolution, or 2 with one high, other low.
If you find out that it's taking too much resources, you can turn Aero off. Takes a heck of a lot of system resources for some shinies...
if you think you can run L2 on 1 GB RAM then give it a try.
windows Vista likes to use upto 1 GB RAM from time to time.
On my laptop vista uses 800 just after launch lol...
On topic: I run vista on 2gb ram and it's ok with 1 cliant to play. I use ground details/shadows and imrooved shadows w/o any noticable droop in FPS while hunting or small scale pvping.
EDIT: if you can afforg XP gaming do it! Delete vista and w8 for win7.
Swapping: It's what an OS does when you have unused CODE in RAM and need the RAM for something more useful.
All Operating Systems load everything used in RAM after start-up, even Linux and Solaris. They will have big memory footprints until you start running programs and the OS starts swapping the unused code out of memory.
Lineage 2 only uses about 300-400 MB RAM. 800+400 still leaves you with 800MB RAM Free (i.e. you can surf the web, play a DVD, and run Microsoft Office with L2 running in the background).
I just hadn't gotten around to installing it yet, cause I run VS2005 as an IDE and I hate uberpatching to get them running with Vista. I'll think about it over the weekend.
How many clients I can run is not important. I have 4 comptuers and run each client on its own machine.
Thanks for the info. I guess application compatibility is probably more important than my system specs, tbh...
Vista with 2GB ram run perfectly with L2. I had that in my own exp. on my previous pc.
Thanks. Now I just have to see how much trouble I'll have with VS2005 on Vista. It's not looking too good at the moment :< Upgrade time for that, maybe :(
If you run one account per computer, than you can run L2 more than fine on Vista. Go for it. 2GB is MORE than fine to run one client in all full detail + surf the web + MSN or whatever else you will run at the same time.
As for your applications being vista-compatible or not, that's a whole different problem. You might have to download a newer version, same for drivers. But it depends, really, a lot of programs are compatible with both XP and Vista. I only had to update Nero and some of my drivers (like the graphic cards).
Edit: Actually, why don't you try to do a dual-boot system? That way if you don't like Vista, you still have XP and you will just need to reformat the partition where you installed vista. There are some nice guides on the web about how to proceed for a dual-boot system there. That's what I did when I first decided to install Vista.
Whats Windows 7? Does it use low amounts of memory? Like XP?
Does anyone have a good rig setup for a budget of 4,000 dollars?
It uses a lot less than vista but more than XP. Ive been using 7 for the past few months and it's brilliant, everything just seems to work with no issues at all (unless it's game guard which stops L2 from being played at the moment).
A budget of 4K... that's a hell of a budget for a PC. You would probably be looking for an i7 setup with a x58 chipset motherboard, 6-8gb DDR3 RAM and multiple graphics cards (probably nVidia 285's). Get a good cooler and OC the i7 (the lowest i7 chip easily overclocks close to 4ghz) and you will be well away :)
L2 is running like crap on vista...every ***** time I start the game after one hour or two the game crashes with the same error "Update CPU driver<Main Loop<crap...crap.."
Worst decision ever - install on my laptop the crap called Vista
L2 is running like crap on vista...every ***** time I start the game after one hour or two the game crashes with the same error "Update CPU driver<Main Loop<crap...crap.."
Worst decision ever - install on my laptop the crap called Vista
sounds like you got a dual core CPU from AMD. go to AMD's homepage and download the driver. you will see it fixes that problem ;)
It uses a lot less than vista but more than XP. Ive been using 7 for the past few months and it's brilliant, everything just seems to work with no issues at all (unless it's game guard which stops L2 from being played at the moment).
A budget of 4K... that's a hell of a budget for a PC. You would probably be looking for an i7 setup with a x58 chipset motherboard, 6-8gb DDR3 RAM and multiple graphics cards (probably nVidia 285's). Get a good cooler and OC the i7 (the lowest i7 chip easily overclocks close to 4ghz) and you will be well away :)
Thanks! I'll have to research more on those types of devices/software ^^
I don't think I'm ready though to switch OS until I find one that's super stable and doesn't waste memory like Vista. I was looking into Linux but the idea of having to find drives ur-self is mind numbingly annoying.
It uses a lot less than vista but more than XP. Ive been using 7 for the past few months and it's brilliant, everything just seems to work with no issues at all (unless it's game guard which stops L2 from being played at the moment).
A budget of 4K... that's a hell of a budget for a PC. You would probably be looking for an i7 setup with a x58 chipset motherboard, 6-8gb DDR3 RAM and multiple graphics cards (probably nVidia 285's). Get a good cooler and OC the i7 (the lowest i7 chip easily overclocks close to 4ghz) and you will be well away :)
Phenom II = i7 sometimes even better. Moreover they're a lot cheaper! Same with 4780 x2 which is rly way better that 285. Also it's cheaper than 285 as well!
I find it funny. I have no problems with Vista whatsoever. None. And I simply have no desire to go back to XP at all. My PC doesn't crash, never did even when I only had 2GB.
Ventrilo works just fine. Gotta use it as admin.
I hate XP. Wouldn't want to go back to XP. On that note, I wish everything worked in Linux though :D But that's off-topic.
I would still had used Win98 SE if so many programs didn't remove the compability for that OS
I would never use Win98 for myself. However, I was paid to write programs for it :o
A lot of misplaced hate for Vista... its actually immensely more stable and more secure than XP can ever hope to be.
Win7 btw is a stripped-down and optimized Vista core... it is looking to be the best OS microsoft has made to date, but it is still very much beta. As it stands, Vista 64 is the best and most stable microsoft OS available, provided you have the hardware to take advantage of it. (dual core processor, 2GB+ of RAM, 4GB+ recommended for vista64 etc)
Vista takes up RAM, and does indeed have a larger overhead memory footprint than XP.
However, going to task manager and looking for numbers isn't actually a real measurement anymore.
Vista manages memory better than XP ever could.
It takes RAM for caching and then returns memory to the OS when needed.
That being said, L2's client has a few oddities with Vista.
Vista works just fine for up to 2 clients with 2GB of RAM + 3 browser windows, + your media player of choice. (thats on a C2D laptop with 2GB of RAM, and a 8700m GT)
Vista 64 is even better IMHO.
Now to the oddities... Vista (both x86 and x64) does NOT like more than 2 L2 clients.
If you want to run 3 or more clients, you are stuck with XP.
I never make XP computers anymore... just Vista boxes.
That being said... old boxes do NOT get upgraded.
the game runs awesome in vista 32 bit with 2 giga or 4 giga... i have had 0 crashes the last 1 year with vista as long as i run the game in window mode....strange but window mode just saves you from a lot of trouble... (i heard that the game has issues with dual cores so maybe thats the reason why?)
lol.... when you have money who really cares if its "overkill."
Well, why shell out that much money on a system that is going to be outdated within the years, when you can spend a small portion and accomplish the same goal & gaming experience?
Actually is from Intel and even if i have the latest drivers it doesn't help, keeps on crashing. :(
Any other suggestions are welcome.
Sounds like it could be a heat problem or your motherboard thinking there is a heat problem.
I had a similar problem with my desktop where the motherboard BIOS had a flaw that caused the system to fail at high graphics use. A BIOS update cured the problem.
Gateway machines of recent vintage have this problem as do some other manufacturers.
Check if there is an updated BIOS for your system.
Under Vista, my nVidia graohics card is not happy with newest drivers. All kinds of problems, mostly running SUPER SLOW and crashing alot. Reverted to the drivers that shipped with the vid card and all is good.
That being said, L2's client has a few oddities with Vista.
Vista works just fine for up to 2 clients with 2GB of RAM + 3 browser windows, + your media player of choice. (thats on a C2D laptop with 2GB of RAM, and a 8700m GT)
Vista 64 is even better IMHO.
Now to the oddities... Vista (both x86 and x64) does NOT like more than 2 L2 clients.
If you want to run 3 or more clients, you are stuck with XP.
I never make XP computers anymore... just Vista boxes.
That being said... old boxes do NOT get upgraded.
First, 2 clients in vista on 2 gigs of ram = fail. Each client wants over 700 mb of ram and your computer is going to run at a slow crawl doing that.
Secondly, you can run more than 3 clients on vista... the xp comment is complete bs. I never run under 3 clients and I'm running in vista 64 just fine. I don't know why, but I must not start the second/third and beyond client using the updater but if you start the l2.exe in the system folder it starts up fine. I just bought a 4th account for a bd and have yet to try all 4 at once but 3 definately works so a 4th would too if your system specs are up to it. I would not try to run any client with less than a gig of dedicated ram to that one client. Vista takes about 1 for itself so 2 clients = 3 gigs, 4 clients = 5 gigs or more
Linux is subpar for desktops outside of busineses who have a small software portfolio for each of their workstations.
It just doesn't work out for home users who use a wide array of software and expect things like Media Codecs and DVD Playback to exist without breaking the law (in the US, at least).
Linux distros with functionality equivalent to Windows XP (legal functionality) cost more than Vista Home Premium, and have recurring costs every year.
Remind people prominently that you are talking about VISTA 64.
Vista 32 has the same 3.25GB memory barrier that XP has. Putting more RAM into an XP or Vista 32 system is a waste of time.
I myself have 4GB, but I had bought the system thinking I would pull Vista off and run multiple virtual machines. Never got around to it...
If you put 1 2GB RAM Stick with a 1GB Stick in you computer, you will be running on Single Channel for you RAM - it will r@pe you performance.
If you have 4 slots and have 1GB 512MB 1GB 512MB, your computer will run in Single Channel and it will also r@pe your performance.
Even if the OS can only use 3.12GB (a subtle correction), you have to put 2x2GB or 4x1GB or you will have a performance decrease because your RAM will have half the bandwidth in Single Channel operation.
3GB RAM in a computer means your computer is not running at peak performance levels, and I urge you to take out the 1GB RAM Stick (or 2 512MB Sticks) and replace it with a 2GB Stick (or 2 1GB Sticks).
All the RAM sticks need to be same size, or you will have a built-in performance decrease.
Anyways, the thread can die since everything is running fine.
Dunno why people are being stupid and talking about 2 Clients on a Vista Machine with 2GB RAM. I explicitly said I have 4 computers and I do not run more than 1 Client on each. That is not hard to understand... I hate small game windows, and it's quite frankly a pain to manage multiple windows on the screen. I have separate computers for each character I log in (my main, and my 3 buffers).
$4,000 for a computer is a colossal waste of cash, by the way. It's not even a good ego trip. Just shows how stupid most "casual" gamers are (cause that's what 95% of us are, even if we have "hardcore" playtimes).
To answer your original question Tren; XP and Vista run Lineage II very similarly. But its not the only factor.
XP, unlike Vista, supports only 4GB of RAM, and will never exceed that. Vista is good up to 8GB of RAM.
My Laptop runs Vista 32 bit (becouse 64 bit is very unstable) with 4GB of RAM with no graphic slow down, or loss of FPS. MY PC, contrastingly, runs XP with 4GB of RAM and runs almost the same. (The only difference is that my PC has a significantly better display adapter (9800 serries) that does just fine. All the laptop components are integrated so they are less "performance" related.
to be frank, you shouldn't experience any notable difference in game play by switching from XP to Vista 32bit, and 2GB of RAM is plenty for Lineage II.
As a footnote, remember that NC has already stated that they will be increasing the "graphic quality" of Lineage II in the next update, and if they increase the standard water details, shaders, and textures, it WILL increase the minimum system requirements... so keep that in mind. what runs great now, may not run so great in a few weeks.
First, 2 clients in vista on 2 gigs of ram = fail. Each client wants over 700 mb of ram and your computer is going to run at a slow crawl doing that.
You might want to try turning off some options or upgrade your computer to something more recent... Vista 32 does indeed run 2 sessions of L2 in 2GB of RAM. This isn't XP... Vista is able to return RAM ot the OS when it needs it.
The computer in question was a C2D 1.8GHz laptop with an 8700m GT and Vista32 Ultimate. (Toshiba x205) and worked just fine for two sessions with full details (minus shadows) on one client while the other ran in low detail without sound.
One tip, Vista changed driver model for sound... often when something won't work in vista, you can turn off sound and make it work.
I don't know why, but I must not start the second/third and beyond client using the updater but if you start the l2.exe in the system folder it starts up fine. I just bought a 4th account for a bd and have yet to try all 4 at once but 3 definately works so a 4th would too if your system specs are up to it.
This is a neat trick, thank you.
If you put 1 2GB RAM Stick with a 1GB Stick in you computer, you will be running on Single Channel for you RAM - it will r@pe you performance.
This isn't actually true (at least to the degree you imply)... dual channel vs single channel doesn't actually benefit THAT much anymore due to tech updates and the fact most computers we are using now are insanely more powerful than the L2 engine requires.
This isn't to say that dual channel isn't faster, just that the difference isn't big enough to really worry about if you are gaining large amounts of RAM.
Multiple comparisons were done looking at differences in performance from 2GB(dual) to 3GB(single) for much more up-to-date games and quie frankly you were better off in almost every case with 3GB. If you are going from 2x512MB +2GB, the choice is a no-brainer. Better yet, just get the 4GB even if you cannot use all of the last GB.
Update to SP1 and you will have 4GB support in Vista x86
False... it will SHOW all 4GB, but not use it. x86 OS's are still limited to 32-bit addressing unless you enable a jury-rig like PAE. (48-bit addressing via paging)
XP, unlike Vista, supports only 4GB of RAM, and will never exceed that. Vista is good up to 8GB of RAM.
False.
XP has a x64 version... just like Vista.
XP 32-bit supports 4GB just like Vista 32-bit
Only Vista 64-bit officially supports more.
If i were you i'd sell that vista 32 on ebay and wait for windows 7 x64.
I'm currently running Windows xp professional x64 (64 bit version that came out in 2005)
and i'm running 4 gigs of ram.
Lineage 2 does not run well on vista in my experience.
I would always get black screens and constant crashes.
so far xp pro x64 is running l2 really well not many crashes (outside the norm) and great frame rates.
hope this helps
vista was a horrible release of windows which is why 7 is being pushed for release by end of this year.
P.S. Windows 7 Beta is out for release and microsoft is giving out free keys. it works quite well and fun to play with. it's free for now untill it's final release.
Thenlanduros, your statements reek of ignorance. Not do you reference to benchmarks where the use case is most likely not relevant to the discussion. It is also filled with completely inaccurate information. I at least expected people to google before they go off spouting bad technical information.
PAE "via paging"? Isn't memory managed in pages? What do you mean by this. I don't wanna laugh. PAE is a hardware capability.
PAE is 36-bit, not 48-bit, btw. It allows 32-Bit OS to see as much as 64 GB RAM. There are still limits like applications not being able to address more than 2GB RAM if they are 32-Bit (even if running on a 64-bit OS).
Arguing over the performance of Single via Dual Channel is not something I want to do. Dual Channel increases the bandwidth of your RAM. I mean, it's like going from an AGP card to a PCI-E card that is the same chip set (e.g. Radeon 9550 AGP 8x compared to 1050 PCIe are the same chip sets). The PCIe card will outperform the AGP card everytime (in my example the cards are identival with different bus). Dual Channel will outperform Single Channel on factorable data sets. It's not even an argument, and I don't want to have one because I am not familiar with the use cases those benchmarks you refer to used.
I can compare compilers and say one is better than the other based on compile speeds, but it doesn't mean it generates better code, for example.
I do not advocate mismathing RAM chips. I always recommend people upgrade their RAM in pairs (cause RAM is cheap these days, unless you have a very high end system in which case you probably put 4-8GB in it when you customized it) so that they do not see a performance drop-off, especially when multitasking.
Just cause someone plays Lineage II doesn't mean the only thing they play is Lineage II.
A 32-bit application cannot address more than 2GB RAM with or without PAE. Running a 32-Bit CAD program on 64-bit Windows Vista will still limit the application to 2GB RAM, unless it is programmed to utilize AWE. I think there is even a limit to that. Microsoft used AWE in SQL Server (that I know of), so that it could address more than 3GB RAM when run by itself on 32-Bit Windows Server OSes.
If i were you i'd sell that vista 32 on ebay and wait for windows 7 x64.
I'm currently running Windows xp professional x64 (64 bit version that came out in 2005)
and i'm running 4 gigs of ram.
Lineage 2 does not run well on vista in my experience.
I would always get black screens and constant crashes.
so far xp pro x64 is running l2 really well not many crashes (outside the norm) and great frame rates.
hope this helps
vista was a horrible release of windows which is why 7 is being pushed for release by end of this year.
P.S. Windows 7 Beta is out for release and microsoft is giving out free keys. it works quite well and fun to play with. it's free for now untill it's final release.
If he has vista he has ability to install either the 32 bit or 64 bit version with the same key. He will have to borrow/buy the actual dvd with the 64 bit install but the cd key works for both.
thalenduros u are absolutely wrong about vista 32 bit not utilizing 4 giga ram or ++ me and my friend have the same systems only diference i use 4 giga he has 8 giga ram (both vista 32 bit) u should see the big diference in performance in l2 and how many more clients he can load...
Vista or XP 32-Bit cannot use more than 4GB RAM. It's common knowledge. You may THINK he has a 32-Bit OS, but he most likely doesn't. Maybe he does if the Computer Properties says PAE Enabled, but seems like the worst way to go if you have a 64-Bit processor (which any computer manufactured in the past 3 or so years has).
Vista/XP-64 support up to 128 GB RAM.
Late model P4s are 64-Bit (LGA775). Core 2, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Later Athlon [X2/64], Phenom, Opteron, and Xeons are all 64-Bit, so you can just install Vista/XP 64 on them and put as much memory as you computer will allow.
Quick note to all those planning to play L2 on windows 7. L2 causes BSOD's all over the place in windows 7 if you are planning to play for an extended period of time, this is with and without the improved shader (less without the improved shader but still causes them) and after trying out most of the graphics settings. The only way i could get it to run for any extended period of time was to minamize it and turn low details on, and then it ran for about 10 hours before BSOD.
Note this is the only application that causes BSOD for me in windows 7, everything else runs fine (inc Empire Total War) and i have been using it since beta release.