Vanguard

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Do Sk's always use this in xp? If not, what levels do they use it up to? Is it best to use duals or 2handed sword in this form? How about PvP? Please forgive these questions, I haven't been playing very long. Cheers!
You can only use duals. Whether you use it to xp, is basically up to you. If you can xp faster in vanguard, then you go ahead. It all depends on your playstyle and area you choose. There are areas where more defence is important and areas where more dps is more crucial.
fogive me for asking this silly question:
you MUST use duals? because i tried to use the skill, and the SK casts something upon himself... that's ok... but no dual, no effect? I'm asking this 'cause, as you can imagine, i'm equipped with sword and shield... and.... too poor to afford ALSO a dual ^^;
tnx for the patience... it's said: repetita iuvant! :P
fogive me for asking this silly question:
you MUST use duals? because i tried to use the skill, and the SK casts something upon himself... that's ok... but no dual, no effect? I'm asking this 'cause, as you can imagine, i'm equipped with sword and shield... and.... too poor to afford ALSO a dual ^^;
tnx for the patience... it's said: repetita iuvant! :P

yeah, it basically turns you into something like a glad. you get a dual slashy skill, and still get to use your hates, UD, and i forget what else.

what about common duals? they are way cheaper than regular ones, tho u can't enchant them, u could still use vangaurd.
oh! common duals! yay, i've been out for a while and don't know much about common items... so i just didn't even thought about this option! ^_^ gotta check what their prices are asap!

ty!
The only time Vanguard "might" be useful to use is in Agrade because top A Dualz (Dama*Tal) are fairly easy to get and they have a decent PvE SA. Where as DLE kinda sux as far as SAs go.

For S Grade an FB with focus will seriously outdamage Vanguard with +4 S Dualz.
Vanguard is capable of killing rather fast, but it also leaves you vulnerable as an SK due to decreased p.def (and HP if u use a health wpn and ur duals are not health). Just got to be a little more careful. Watch out for mob crits basically and you'll be good =p
yeah, it basically turns you into something like a glad. you get a dual slashy skill, and still get to use your hates, UD, and i forget what else.

what about common duals? they are way cheaper than regular ones, tho u can't enchant them, u could still use vangaurd.

You can't UD in vanguard. You can still use hate skills though, and judgement. In general most skills are locked while in vanguard.
With Vanguar you get to use, Hate, Aura of hate, judgment, your 3 cubics, Lightning Stike and you get 2 attack skills one for single target and one for AOE and Dual sword Mastery, the damage bonus is nice but you lose all the passives that increase you pdef, also you can't use your toggles on this mode is really nice to grind because you kill super fast even faster than killing with Hex but you became kind of squishy like a BD pdef wise.

Myself I always carry both my shield+Elisyan and my +10 kesh*kesh, you never know, for PVP this skill is useless you are tank and need to absorb damage, and you lose so many nice skills that will keep you alive that I wont use it on PVP or sieges
i see, thanks for all the replies! ^__^
right now i think i'll just forget this skill, having duals is not something easy to afford right now... :P i'd better stick to get some better jewels and minor equipment pieces up to A grade
Anyway this was really clarifying about the new skill, and a lot interesting for the future grinds ;)
ty!
I used vanguard from 40-52 with common dual katanas, it was very fast but I cannot imagine affording regular duals, and being able to tank 52+ was essential.

Has anyone used vanguard 61+?
me im a 76 SK and still use my +10kesh*kesh to grind on catacombs with support on party HP is not a problem
me im a 76 SK and still use my +10kesh*kesh to grind on catacombs with support on party HP is not a problem

drool..
I had used that thing when they 1st put it in with some common shadow duals from event I think, and it was crap.I have SK that is 79 now and was 77 or 76 when they 1st put it. Haven't tryed it since & solve the damage problem with a fenrir hehe :)
vanguard is pretty useless at high lvl with any tank imo a 150 attribute FB focus will outdmg that +10 dual kesh with ease.
So you can't use skills like Life Leech and Drain Health in Vanguard mode? How do you keep yourself healed?
By the way, is Vanguard a toggle or is it automatically on when you dual wield? Can you switch back and forth?
So you can't use skills like Life Leech and Drain Health in Vanguard mode? How do you keep yourself healed?

Nevermind. Found the list of skills that work in Vanguard, at least as of the update that introduced it (http://www.lineage2.com/news/gracia_03.html):

Aggression, Aura of Hate, Summon Vampiric Cubic, Summon Phantom Cubic, Summon Viper Cubic, Life Leech, Lightning Strike, Judgment.