After an effective banhammer last month, botters have returned to their favourite spots: Garden of Beasts, HotSprings, Woa...
Reported them daily, and again seems the GM's need a little heads up ^^ show the soulless that you are not to be fooled :)
Yup very true. Varka and WoA was full yesterday of BIG bot partys! Almsot every spot taken which made me hard to xp for me...I instant logged out and lost the interest of trying to play at that time. Today the spots where full of bots too. No changes at all. Its hurts to see that they are rising again.
I think there should be a group of forums added to the boards called the "QQ Corner"
Then they can add a form for whining about botters, another for crying about nerfed classes, etc.
Since nothing is going to stop these threads from appearing, let's give them a home.
And we can put it right under the "L2 Lube Lovers" section. You know, that part of forum dedicated to all those players who are quick to bow down on their knees for the love of the game and give plenty of "lip service" in defense of their beloved GM's and their policies.
And we can put it right under the "L2 Lube Lovers" section. You know, that part of forum dedicated to all those players who are quick to bow down on their knees for the love of the game and give plenty of "lip service" in defense of their beloved GM's and their policies.
Aww come on man.. don't pay if you don't wanna play! :D
Aww come on man.. don't pay if you don't wanna play! :D
seriously... we need to have these replies every 2 weeks?? Don't read them, the topic is very clear... you can easily avoid clicking the topic you don't like ^^
If you read carefully, I'm not complaining nor roughly demanding anything... I'm advicing about a real situation and because of that, we saw those same areas cleaned for almost a month. I don't know what's wrong about posting about the situation. GM's are busy, and if no one reports/tells about this, then maybe there will be a lot of time until they realize they came back again, coz you know, they have more than 1 server to check up. In this case they need to go back to Teon and check it again... that's all :)
Maybe... but since I don't know their plans... a little heads up or "hey, don't forget to take a look at X spot" msg is not bad at all. Reporting and writing in forum is the only way we can contribute to solve this problem ^^
When I hit the report button I cannot get a direct answer... but I'm giving GM's information about the cheaters... but in forum, sometimes a GM comes by and tells about the situation, and last month they cleaned all those spots. So it doesn't hurt to keep on doing our best ^^
Aww come on man.. don't pay if you don't wanna play! :D
But that's precisely my point, I WANT TO PLAY!!! And it shouldn't be considered whining when you're asking for good customer service. If it's okay or tolerated to cheat when playing, then why ban anyone? I'd looooove to set the game on autopilot and then go about my business. That way I could get all the benefits of the game without sacrificing anything. At that point, L2 isn't hard at all. There is no grind when I'm at the movies and my character is busy earning that next level. I'll just show up to train up my skills, do sieges, and epic bosses. And whenever possible, I'll tell people to "QQ more".
You obviously have alot more patience and understanding in your heart than I do and I applaud you for that. I'm not interested in cheap fronts or token authoratative moves in order to give the appearance of a stance on something you're clearly lax on. Either get them gone or publicly say it's okay to do it.
I went to varka to do my quest and full of bots the last 3 days, so I did like many you all did. Logged out. (Thanks Lord for the vitality feature).
For the 3rd day in a row, logged in and the same groups still there. So, I took drastic measures. As a tank (DA), I used horror on mobs and made the mobs jumped off the cliff and bots followed them and.... well,,, they jumped off the cliff too. ];)
It was funny to see them buffing and BD and SWS still singing and dancing all the time all the way downe.. LOL... the happiness lasted for 2 hours and another bot group jumped on my spot and start taking my mobs... WTF!!!
I did the same and that was 2 groups of mobs jumping off the cliff. After 1 hour of free-bot spot, I see this dagger coming to my spot and look down the cliff and all bots soe'd out. Dagger disappeared too.
About 20 min after bots soe'd to town, they came back and start taking my spot. Well, I did it again. First group jumped off the cliff for a second time after I use horror in the mob they were hitting to.
Now, this is the cool part. After another hour, same dagger (name was like lllillilli or something like that) logs in back to the spot he logged off originally. He sees the bots down the cliff and turn around and goes red on me. o_O.. rofl.
I went back to town.. got buffs again and as soon I ported to varka I was death.. LOL.. dagger was waiting for me at port and was still red. I went to town again and gave it about 30 min and ported back in to varka.... same thing... Death... lol... llllillllilll was waiting for me... Lmao.
I decided this time to run from Goddard and take another spot in Varka in order to complete the quest. XP was out of the question because the last 3 pk I received. I was more interested to finish my quest. So I found bots everywhere and did the horror thing again and got rid off the bots :D. Again, happiness lasted for probably 1 hour and same red dagger showed up and went red on me for the 4th time. Finally he told me on his broken english to move out from his spots... lol..... ohh boy.
I talked about this with my clannies and they all knew about this guy that bots there 24x7 and he won't care going red on you because time is adena for him. That is sad isn't it ?? I have reported his bot group for weeks now and I beleive the report bot button is broke. I have also place a GM petition and I got message stating that they investigate. Unless the investigation takes weeks, they still in the same spot for over 1 month now. This is in devianne server btw.
you should have taken screens and post the case with a support ticket...
Also, you need to get Apella heavy, and keep doing that, you won't loose exp when he kills you. And he will be ever red. Bring some friends... or if you are in teon I can join you (coz I kill in varkas too) and kill the reddie... he will probably bsoe out, coz as much as they claim "i don't care about xp, i'm lvl 8x) they do care... just keep that to annoy the guy as much as you can, he deserves that and a ban too, along with all his toons.
maybe you will post in the "QQ I have been baned" corner soon then
I love how everyone assumes that just because I'm sick of seeing the same thread pop up a hundred times then that means I bot. Believe me, if I botted, my main wouldn't still be in her 60s with no subclass.
Seriously.. do we have to keep bringing these threads up every week? That's two posted within minutes of eachother.
:(
I think there should be a group of forums added to the boards called the "QQ Corner"
Then they can add a form for whining about botters, another for crying about nerfed classes, etc.
Since nothing is going to stop these threads from appearing, let's give them a home.
All you people who condone to botting in such a fashion by now that you actually don't want to see threads on the official forums anymore against botting should really get a reality check.
The thing that stops these threads from appearing is getting the bots out of the game. Not a QQ section (seriously, wtf).
Stop botting ingame or quit if you have a problem with anti-bot policy.
All you people who condone to botting in such a fashion by now that you actually don't want to see threads on the official forums anymore against botting should really get a reality check.
The thing that stops these threads from appearing is getting the bots out of the game. Not a QQ section (seriously, wtf).
Stop botting ingame or quit if you have a problem with anti-bot policy.
All you people who condone to botting in such a fashion by now that you actually don't want to see threads on the official forums anymore against botting should really get a reality check.
The thing that stops these threads from appearing is getting the bots out of the game. Not a QQ section (seriously, wtf).
Stop botting ingame or quit if you have a problem with anti-bot policy.
There seems to be a real problem amongst the hardcore anti-bot faction in distinguishing between botters and people who are simply tired of hearing about botters. And while I can't speak for all of the latter, I can speak for myself when I say that I'm just tired of hearing about it.
Are you afraid that we will all forget that there is a bot problem if we don't have a new post about it every 5 minutes? Are you afraid the GMs will say "wow, there hasn't been a new post about how bad the bots are for over 30 minutes! The problem must be solved! Woot! Let's go out for a beer!" We all know there are too many bots in the game. And considering that a GM comes along and locks new bot threads, I think it's safe to assume that they are tired of hearing about it too.
Think of it this way - botters are the criminals and GMs are the law... ask a real police officer to discuss all the details of their current murder case investigation with you and chances are they won't. Does that mean the police aren't investigating and/or getting close to an arrest? No. It means they're working as hard as they can. You continually standing outside the police station saying, "hey, there are murderers in the world, have you caught them all yet?" isn't going to make them work any faster. It's going to make them feel annoyed, underappreciated, kill their morale, and actually make them work slower as a result. (proven fact: happy people work harder)
There seems to be a real problem amongst the hardcore anti-bot faction in distinguishing between botters and people who are simply tired of hearing about botters. And while I can't speak for all of the latter, I can speak for myself when I say that I'm just tired of hearing about it.
Are you afraid that we will all forget that there is a bot problem if we don't have a new post about it every 5 minutes? Are you afraid the GMs will say "wow, there hasn't been a new post about how bad the bots are for over 30 minutes! The problem must be solved! Woot! Let's go out for a beer!" We all know there are too many bots in the game. And considering that a GM comes along and locks new bot threads, I think it's safe to assume that they are tired of hearing about it too.
Think of it this way - botters are the criminals and GMs are the law... ask a real police officer to discuss all the details of their current murder case investigation with you and chances are they won't. Does that mean the police aren't investigating and/or getting close to an arrest? No. It means they're working as hard as they can. You continually standing outside the police station saying, "hey, there are murderers in the world, have you caught them all yet?" isn't going to make them work any faster. It's going to make them feel annoyed, underappreciated, kill their morale, and actually make them work slower as a result. (proven fact: happy people work harder)
If you stop posting about it they stop doing anything about it. Looking at other games that has always been true in every regard and I don't think NCSoft are any different. So when people ask us to stop posting about it there is really only one reason that comes to my mind - they don't want to get banned.
These threads don't come up every few mins, they come up if for a certain amount of time (ususally weeks) nothing has happened ingame that shows us that NCSoft is still doing anything.
If NCSoft kept a public list of all ingame names of people they are banning on a daily basis these threads wouldn't exist.
If you stop posting about it they stop doing anything about it. Looking at other games that has always been true in every regard and I don't think NCSoft are any different. So when people ask us to stop posting about it there is really only one reason that comes to my mind - they don't want to get banned.
These threads don't come up every few mins, they come up if for a certain amount of time (ususally weeks) nothing has happened ingame that shows us that NCSoft is still doing anything.
If NCSoft kept a public list of all ingame names of people they are banning on a daily basis these threads wouldn't exist.
I have to say, I love the self-righteous "if you don't agree with me then you MUST be a botter" thing you got going on. If thinking I'm a botter makes you happy, then go for it. I've been called far worse by people far better than you, and I doubt you'll be the last person in the world to insult me.
As for the public list, other than the fact that it would actually take away from the amount of time the GMs would be spending actually investigating/banning botters and result in fewer bans overall, if that would truly make you all happy, then I'm all for it.
not to side track.. but I like the idea of the QQ thread - the sub threads could be:
1 - QQ I got banned because I botted in the past but now I'm legit.
2 - QQ there is a bug/feature in the game that I do not like and demand it gets fixed now.
3 - QQ there are bots in X location
4 - QQ multi boxing = botting ( just for you Piro...)
5 - QQ because 'you are doing it wrong'
I do not support botting at all, but over the years I have given up - I point them out, do the "report" button, but in the end, I do not use my energy to post 100s of threads about it.
With saying that.. it blows that the bots take over the spots that the real players need - Ketra/Valkra spots for example. The good news is that the bots there as of late are not that smart and you can do fun things to them without going red.
With saying that.. it blows that the bots take over the spots that the real players need - Ketra/Valkra spots for example. The good news is that the bots there as of late are not that smart and you can do fun things to them without going red.
heh, I have no use for bots now that they cannot drop anything. I remember cleaning out a 4 toon bot party a couple of years ago, they accepted rezes and my BH kept training them - spent 7 or 8 hours and cleaned up on B grade gear :-)
I was rich!!! Rich I tell you!! lol - that's when B grade was near top gear.
As for now, the GMs are doing their jobs. This isn't an exact science since they are dealing with people and not just machines - and the GMs are people and not machines. In my experinece be thankful for a game that isn't real buggy and has a staff of GMs that are doing their jobs.
not to side track.. but I like the idea of the QQ thread - the sub threads could be:
1 - QQ I got banned because I botted in the past but now I'm legit.
2 - QQ there is a bug/feature in the game that I do not like and demand it gets fixed now.
3 - QQ there are bots in X location
4 - QQ multi boxing = botting ( just for you Piro...)
5 - QQ because 'you are doing it wrong'
I do not support botting at all, but over the years I have given up - I point them out, do the "report" button, but in the end, I do not use my energy to post 100s of threads about it.
With saying that.. it blows that the bots take over the spots that the real players need - Ketra/Valkra spots for example. The good news is that the bots there as of late are not that smart and you can do fun things to them without going red.
bah... just need to add another one:
6 - QQ I gave up with the bot issue and now I type senseless, boring posts to those who actually care (^^)
There seems to be a real problem amongst the hardcore anti-bot faction in distinguishing between botters and people who are simply tired of hearing about botters. And while I can't speak for all of the latter, I can speak for myself when I say that I'm just tired of hearing about it.
Are you afraid that we will all forget that there is a bot problem if we don't have a new post about it every 5 minutes? Are you afraid the GMs will say "wow, there hasn't been a new post about how bad the bots are for over 30 minutes! The problem must be solved! Woot! Let's go out for a beer!" We all know there are too many bots in the game. And considering that a GM comes along and locks new bot threads, I think it's safe to assume that they are tired of hearing about it too.
Think of it this way - botters are the criminals and GMs are the law... ask a real police officer to discuss all the details of their current murder case investigation with you and chances are they won't. Does that mean the police aren't investigating and/or getting close to an arrest? No. It means they're working as hard as they can. You continually standing outside the police station saying, "hey, there are murderers in the world, have you caught them all yet?" isn't going to make them work any faster. It's going to make them feel annoyed, underappreciated, kill their morale, and actually make them work slower as a result. (proven fact: happy people work harder)
The title of this thread was "bots came back". Nothing sneaky, nothing overly creative, nothing that didn't easily lead you to understand that the subject matter of this post was going to be about the ongoing bot issue. You're here reading this thread because you want to be here reading this thread. If your sick of "whiners" as you call them, why give them the satisfaction of your time and effort to read their thoughts.
However, in rebuttal to your obviously well thought out analogy between police officers and our under-appreciated GM staff. We don't care about the details of the guys that have been banned unless we ourselves or someone we knew was banned. I can't remember the time I went to a police station asked for a random criminal's jacket and asked the details of his capture and what detection methods they used to catch him. As long as their methods are yielding great positive results, who cares?
But let's say you're standing in your neighborhood and there are 40 people actively comitting murder, breaking into people's houses and stealing cars. You call the police and say:
"There are people here breaking the law, I'm at 2230 East Palm Dr. They're killing people and tearing up the place!"
The response the police give you is:
"Thank you for calling, it would be helpful if we had the person's names that you're reporting. Please call again after you have some names available."
You take the time to get the person's name and then call back:
"Okay, yes I just called about the people killing people over at 2230 East Palm Dr. They're names are Ralph Jacobs, Arnold Peterson, Angela Davis, and Amy Fuehr." Will you please come and stop them now, they're coated with blood and they don't look like they're going to be stopping anytime soon!"
They respond:
Thank you for your call. We will check into this as soon as possible and if it is determined that they have been guilty of any wrong doing we will take the appropriate measures. Until then, Enjoy Your Day!!!"
Call Ended.
So the killing continues. Blood is splattered on every wall down East Palm Dr. Everytime you leave your house you see nothing but carnage underway as far as the eye can see. You make a few more attempts on the Police department cause Ralph, Arnold, Angela, and Amy seem to be in the same place everyday, killing everything they see in sight.
I wonder how you'd feel about your under-appreciated police force then?
I don't think there is anything objectionable per se concerning repeated "bots, bots, bots" threads.
Of course it's an issue in this game and some of us would love to see them eliminated.
What is tiresome is that the anti-bot threads are all the same, the replies are same (yes, even this one), and it's an endless, circular argument that pits poster's emotions against one another to no purpose.
Your hunting spot taken by bots? What's changed?
You have the same options you had last week--you can report them and move on to do something else, you can grief them for awhile, you can perhaps roll them.
So we want to talk about botting huh? Really? You're all sure?
Cause having a REAL discussion about bots is gonna get uncomfortable! (lol).
Those bots aren't being run by some poor chinese guy chained to a computer desk, are they?
They are run by YOUR clanmates, YOUR playing companions, YOUR alliance-mates. Yes, even by some of you who post here so vehemently!
You have been or will be clanned or allied with or an enemy of the guy playing who is behind nearly every single one of those bots. They are run principally by the most "successful" (not a positive comment here folks!) players on every server. The top clans and allies. The folks with all the glowie toons and castles!
They are run by the players many of you admire, suck up to, and want to be like.
And the rest of the dirty little secret? For many of those so-called "top" players, if they didn't bot their other accounts they wouldn't have the means to be all glowie and own on the siege field....cause they aren't good enough L2 players to have gathered the adena in game for the gear!
You condone botting every time you party, hunt, siege, or do anything at all with these cheaters. By pretending they were legit you make botting somehow 'acceptable'.
So spare us the indignation in the anti-bot rants, please. Most of those posting here are playing hand-in-glove with the cheaters running those bot parties every single day.
I don't mind the conversations, arguments, posts--but hypocrisy ****** me off.
You don't like bots? Then quit botting and refuse, just for once, to associating with those who do!
Tell them in open chat in Giran that they are a cheating punk. Post their admission in a screenshot report to the GM's--THAT would be taking a stand for a change.
or how about this? How about when you're asked to cheat in your clan or you understand it's expected--how about if you quit that clan?
Are we going to pretend there are no high clans who discuss cheating with new recruits? Cause folks that happens every day!
So you want to talk about bots? Fine. Let's really talk--and lets admit who's doing it? Cause it aint some chinese guy and no new player at one month is running 7 bots in Varkas either!
Those bot parties that keep returning are run by YOUR fellow players. And you don't have the nerve to confront it and you want the association and prestige with being around that piece of crap, loser.
The greatest harm is done when good people stand by and do nothing in the presence of wrong........associating with cheaters confers acceptance of their cheating--and encourages it in an endless cycle. The opportunity to 'do something' about botting is IN THE GAME--not here on the forums.
So be different--take a stand--demonstrate a principle.....IN THE GAME.
(feel free to begin replying how you, personally, can't know your playing partners cheat--lmao)_
There seems to be a real problem amongst the hardcore anti-bot faction in distinguishing between botters and people who are simply tired of hearing about botters. And while I can't speak for all of the latter, I can speak for myself when I say that I'm just tired of hearing about it.
Are you afraid that we will all forget that there is a bot problem if we don't have a new post about it every 5 minutes? Are you afraid the GMs will say "wow, there hasn't been a new post about how bad the bots are for over 30 minutes! The problem must be solved! Woot! Let's go out for a beer!" We all know there are too many bots in the game. And considering that a GM comes along and locks new bot threads, I think it's safe to assume that they are tired of hearing about it too.
Think of it this way - botters are the criminals and GMs are the law... ask a real police officer to discuss all the details of their current murder case investigation with you and chances are they won't. Does that mean the police aren't investigating and/or getting close to an arrest? No. It means they're working as hard as they can. You continually standing outside the police station saying, "hey, there are murderers in the world, have you caught them all yet?" isn't going to make them work any faster. It's going to make them feel annoyed, underappreciated, kill their morale, and actually make them work slower as a result. (proven fact: happy people work harder)
Why would they investigate or ban bots if no one complained? If people stopped posting, naturally they might think that our complaints have been addressed. The amount of posts about the issue lets them know how much of a problem it still is. Just don't click on threads about bots if it bothers you.
I don't think there is anything objectionable per se concerning repeated "bots, bots, bots" threads.
Of course it's an issue in this game and some of us would love to see them eliminated.
What is tiresome is that the anti-bot threads are all the same, the replies are same (yes, even this one), and it's an endless, circular argument that pits poster's emotions against one another to no purpose.
Your hunting spot taken by bots? What's changed?
You have the same options you had last week--you can report them and move on to do something else, you can grief them for awhile, you can perhaps roll them.
So we want to talk about botting huh? Really? You're all sure?
Cause having a REAL discussion about bots is gonna get uncomfortable! (lol).
Those bots aren't being run by some poor chinese guy chained to a computer desk, are they?
They are run by YOUR clanmates, YOUR playing companions, YOUR alliance-mates. Yes, even by some of you who post here so vehemently!
You have been or will be clanned or allied with or an enemy of the guy playing who is behind nearly every single one of those bots. They are run principally by the most "successful" (not a positive comment here folks!) players on every server. The top clans and allies. The folks with all the glowie toons and castles!
They are run by the players many of you admire, suck up to, and want to be like.
And the rest of the dirty little secret? For many of those so-called "top" players, if they didn't bot their other accounts they wouldn't have the means to be all glowie and own on the siege field....cause they aren't good enough L2 players to have gathered the adena in game for the gear!
You condone botting every time you party, hunt, siege, or do anything at all with these cheaters. By pretending they were legit you make botting somehow 'acceptable'.
So spare us the indignation in the anti-bot rants, please. Most of those posting here are playing hand-in-glove with the cheaters running those bot parties every single day.
I don't mind the conversations, arguments, posts--but hypocrisy ****** me off.
You don't like bots? Then quit botting and refuse, just for once, to associating with those who do!
Tell them in open chat in Giran that they are a cheating punk. Post their admission in a screenshot report to the GM's--THAT would be taking a stand for a change.
or how about this? How about when you're asked to cheat in your clan or you understand it's expected--how about if you quit that clan?
Are we going to pretend there are no high clans who discuss cheating with new recruits? Cause folks that happens every day!
So you want to talk about bots? Fine. Let's really talk--and lets admit who's doing it? Cause it aint some chinese guy and no new player at one month is running 7 bots in Varkas either!
Those bot parties that keep returning are run by YOUR fellow players. And you don't have the nerve to confront it and you want the association and prestige with being around that piece of crap, loser.
The greatest harm is done when good people stand by and do nothing in the presence of wrong........associating with cheaters confers acceptance of their cheating--and encourages it in an endless cycle. The opportunity to 'do something' about botting is IN THE GAME--not here on the forums.
So be different--take a stand--demonstrate a principle.....IN THE GAME.
(feel free to begin replying how you, personally, can't know your playing partners cheat--lmao)_
Dude...
I hear ya and agree that a truly effective bot ban would ban people that would surprise me. I already don't party/clan with people I know to be botters. IF I were to find that one of my friends was a botter, I would lose a friend.
The statement above is just as troubling as "if you are 78+ you must have botted your way there". It paints everyone with a wide brush and it unfairly castigates those of us who truly live the anti-bot lifestyle (as well as the no-buffpet lifestyle, just for piro).
I don't know if you would consider my new clan (PeaceCore on Sayha) a "top clan", we hold a Giran clan hall and a castle, but I have not heard one positive word from leadership about botting. Before I joined, I was friends with one of the leaders and often mailed him to report bots with his tags, action was clearly taken. If I thought for a moment that my new clan was filled with bots, it would be my ex-clan.
No, they are not Chinese workers toiling away in the depth of a dark, dank cellar... If they were, would they be bots? I have been quite vocal about the "herobots" you mention and have called for bans based on facts, screenshots, and simple observation. Until this is done, the bot problem will never go away because the root of the problem is the multiple trains run by "top players" in order to feed him/her adena and items. Kill a bot train? No problem, get another started, it will pay for itself long before the banhammer re-squishes them.
As for screenshots of ex-friends botting, been there, done that, got the t-shirt (A Grade +4 CP).
As for your throwaway line... If anyone really believes that a bot is not a bot, they are blind, stupid or willfully ignorant. And, yes it has happened to me in the past where we were busy grinding along and a party mate would say "brb" and continue fighting. Party dropped, screenshot taken, clan leader notified and if I am in a particularly nasty mood a red dorf.
In the future, please give me and those like me an "out" in your rants.
I've always felt that those that condem people for complaining about bots are in fact running trains themselves. IMO they are trying to downplay the situation so that NC stops doing something about it.
Frankly if you don't like the threads then piss off and don't read them.
On Phoenix the bots are back in Garden of Beasts and in Branded ALL the front rooms were running trains (don't know about the rest of Branded cause i logged off in disgust)
Also i noticed in EV some trains. These Bots had NA names...guess they were to replace some of the higher level players that got banned.
I don't think there is anything objectionable per se concerning repeated "bots, bots, bots" threads.
Of course it's an issue in this game and some of us would love to see them eliminated.
What is tiresome is that the anti-bot threads are all the same, the replies are same (yes, even this one), and it's an endless, circular argument that pits poster's emotions against one another to no purpose.
True, but this thread here was (at least the first post) NOT a "omg bots everywhere, do something finally!" post. It was a "you removed the bots some time ago, that worked very well, but the bots are back now. Do the same thing again" thread. That's something different. I see nothing wrong with reminding the GM that it's time to have another look, and there definitely was no whining I could see in that first post.
"In the future, please give me and those like me an "out" in your rants."
Tabbie-you're free to take an out on my "rant" according to your own conscience and how you interact with the game.
I didn't direct my over-the-top comments at ANYone--I intended them for EVERYone.
Whether you read that as a specific accusation against you is your issue.
Are the most prolific bots being run by:
a: mostly new players to the game
b: gold farmers from Asia
c: players with significant mains who are substantial on their server.
...not ALWAYS, but in general, what is the answer to the question? It's "C".
So our fellow players, yours and mine and everyone else's are cheating on other accounts. Yet many (not all, not YOU evidently), many players within the game condone, accept, and even celebrate the fruits of cheating.
All I'm saying is that 'some' of those on these forums who bit ch the loudest about bots are part of the problem when they turn a blind eye within the game.
It is simply my "rant" that more people act within the game as you say you have--as I and my clanleader also have. I am simply arguing that would be a more effective way of dealing with cheaters in the short term.
I didn't intend to write that "ALL" top clans always cheat. I've tried to never say that or those types of sweeping comments and don't believe that to be true anyway.
But there are a number of, let's call them, influencial and well established "high" clans who cheat like crazy and everybody knows they do--and many other players still turn a blind eye to it.
So yeah, it's out there, it's not particularly hidden, many accept it, and there isn't any stigma attached to it.
But let's address your other point--that pointing out some generalization is ALWAYS bad. I would argue you are wrong.
You claim I cannot and should not suggest that "heroes cheat" indicating this is inaccurate because obviously some heroes are legit.
You are correct and some heroes are legit.
But that's splitting hairs too.
Just because I mention in a general way that "many top clans on servers and heroes on servers are those running all these bot trains" is NOT saying that ALL are. It is very specifically suggesting "many"--not all.
And I'll stand by the comment. MANY are cheating. You know it, I know it. It's also not accurate or realistic to claim all heroes or top clans get a free pass because 10% of them happen to be legit! In fact, that is what is foolish.
We don't know the % of 3rd party users. We can't. You and I and everyone has a guess. If you toss in ebaying--my own guess is that 7-8 of every 10 players in this game bot and/or ebay or use some significant 3rd party program assist.
I could be horribly off--but that's my opinion.
Which is why I think more players need to adopt your stance (and our clan's stance) and demonstrate principles within the game.
My apologies if you saw this directed at ALL top clans and/or heroes. Of course I know some who work very, very hard to do things the right way. Unfortunately I also know them to be the clear minority.
Think of it this way - botters are the criminals and GMs are the law... ask a real police officer to discuss all the details of their current murder case investigation with you and chances are they won't. Does that mean the police aren't investigating and/or getting close to an arrest? No. It means they're working as hard as they can. You continually standing outside the police station saying, "hey, there are murderers in the world, have you caught them all yet?" isn't going to make them work any faster. It's going to make them feel annoyed, underappreciated, kill their morale, and actually make them work slower as a result. (proven fact: happy people work harder)
But unlike the police NCSoft can make it impossible to use bots. Its not clever to search for murderer when you can make him impossible to kill...
Why to use all GMs worktime for searching of bots (that are maybe 80% of online sadly) when its maybe better to ask programmers why they don't (not "can't") do anything to make protocol encryption be changed everyweek/day? And make it hard to reverse it during this period? People who made such complex game like Lineage 2 surely can do such easy thing.
"bots came back" - they were never out and will not be untill it will be impossible to use them.
And they will ruin the game, because lineage 2 is about to find friends and play with them and not with the bots.
Maybe... but since I don't know their plans... a little heads up or "hey, don't forget to take a look at X spot" msg is not bad at all. Reporting and writing in forum is the only way we can contribute to solve this problem ^^
When I hit the report button I cannot get a direct answer... but I'm giving GM's information about the cheaters... but in forum, sometimes a GM comes by and tells about the situation, and last month they cleaned all those spots. So it doesn't hurt to keep on doing our best ^^
You're doing the right thing, Romanec. Don't let Purp or the other forum trolls give you any guff over it.
Little short posts like yours just make a point visible and generate a response from the GM team, whether we see it or not.
Don't pay any attention to the QQing of the trolls here... they'll post in every thread about how dumb that thread is (like they didn't read it to make a post) and then they hop on over to the next thread and do it again. They just want their +16,855 Posts so they can have some nifty forum title. Let them have it and just ignore them.
when i got to my spot, i did what i usually do ... i click the report bot button on the same party as i always do when i get there and sended the usual petition with the names and location .... as i have done the last 2 weeks ... they're still there...
but this morning was diffrent ... i clicked the button as usual and sended the petition...
and to my suprise .... a new automatic answer on the petition ... not the usual :
Thank u and we will investigate ...
but a new one:
We will inform u that there is a button that u can press to report bots .... and step by step informed me how to use it ... and when u report a bot we will take immidiate action ..you wouldnt noticed it right away .. but u can be sure we will take action...
can't wait to get home and see if its true or just a new message...
LOL in WoA there is a bot party with 2 players almost all day at the same spot and i do report them every day more than once. 2 weeks passed and they are still there! OMG how many lvls they raised without beeing catched? xD
First of all, sorry my horrible english. I try my best to make ppl understand. Kk thx here we go:
The most fun part of all of it is that you ppl dont realize that NCSoft not only SUPPORTS, but ALLOW botting.
Every bot account is +$15 in NC's pockets. Imagine how many bot trains you see around everyday.
Not to mention all the "legit" players whom buy adena with real currency off the bots. This way everyone goes happy: botters have their money they got from the ebayers, NCSoft earn lots of money due the many bot accounts ($15 per account), and the final player get his gear/lv faster.
See how things works?
Now you tell me NC dont allow botting. Sure. This is one of most ridiculous funny bull**** hypocrite *insert a word here* joke I've heard in my life.
The "bans" you guys see around are just to make ppl believe they are "correct" and doing something. Think about it like a small hope to the real legit players to not quit the game.
Any decent programmer could easily make the game to not load if it detects something strange on it (some 3rd party program for example). But why they dont do that? Hehe, dont need to be a genious to figure out why ;).
Any decent programmer could easily make the game to not load if it detects something strange on it (some 3rd party program for example). But why they dont do that? Hehe, dont need to be a genious to figure out why ;).
because it takes the ones that makes the bot programs 10 minutes to by-pass it heck they don't even need to change the bot program when the user can change the client or not even use the client to bot.
your theory is faulty and only supported by those that e-bay and bot
I know a priv server that doesn't even allow boxing. You simply cant run 2 clients at once. And no one never ever ever ever by-passed this since the server went live (server is 2 years alive btw).
Seems you are the one who bots here. Bot moar plz.
I know a priv server that doesn't even allow boxing. You simply cant run 2 clients at once. And no one never ever ever ever by-passed this since the server went live (server is 2 years alive btw).
Seems you are the one who bots here. Bot moar plz.
You cant compare retail with crappy private servers with no quality. Who cares to cheat on a private server with bots ? Maybe with **** programs to enchant stuff but not botting.
Well your teory isnt that new, many already stated almost the same about bots and ebayers. I dont agree 100% to it. but i can understand you. As mentioned above, NCsoft could block them..but remember it also costs money to make it. After maybe some weeks, they can crack the protection and the game starts from the beginning. Its almost like you want to stop drug dealers to sell their pot. Almost impossible. You can fight against it, but win? hmm...
Retail = You can box, bot, buy adena, use 3rd party programs etc.
Priv server I'm talking about = You cant box, cant bot, cant buy adena, cant use 3rd party program.
And note that in retail there are PAID programmers to do their job...
Please dont use the "its hard to code" card plz.
Now tell me whats crap? LOL.
This just make me laugh even more.
for what buy adena or bot on a private server? pff private server can close when they want and even dont need to say you why. They can do whatever they want even ban you if they dont like you. And its better that you dont talk here about "your" private server..you know why ;)
Well I dont know how frustrating was your experience with priv servers in the past, but this priv server is really good, they are 2 years+ live and never wiped. I just left there for a while and came here because I have 2 chars 78 there and got a bit bored and since I never played retail before I decided to try and confirm what friends said, that retail is a nice piece of crap.
PS: for what buy adena or bot on a private server?
Its not a matter of "why", its a matter you CANT. GF.
I know a priv server that doesn't even allow boxing. You simply cant run 2 clients at once. And no one never ever ever ever by-passed this since the server went live (server is 2 years alive btw).
Seems you are the one who bots here. Bot moar plz.
LOL how many plays on the private server? 100 ppl?
the ones that makes the bot programs earns money by selling keys for theyr products. and they make them specialy for retail server.
Since they make money of the retail servers they will do what ever they can to make theyr software work to not go out of bussines, they don't even bother to make it work for private servers since they all run theyr own configuration.
oh and btw everyone with 2 computers can dual box (unless they restrict it to 1 client per IP adress...bad idea for retail since many plays on net-caffès)
and to say that I bot just because I think your theories is ******** is just stupid when you clearly violate the EULA by playing on private servers and mentioning it here in the official forum.
the closest I have ever come to "botting" in L2 is making a ingame macro to buff with my WC or to dance with my BD every 2min for 6min.
anything else you want to know before your forum account gets banned?
and why don't you answer with the rates of that server and if there are GM shops? oh I know...since the rates are higher and there are GM shops there is no reason to bot or buy adena there.
You are so silly that u posted a news from Monday 11-Jun-2007 LOL. That news was a false alarm since u cant properly play backup games, neither nowadays.
And why are u so curious about a priv server rates? I really dont understand you LOL.
And banned? Why? I didnt advertised any priv server here.
anything else you want to know before your forum account gets banned?
and why don't you answer with the rates of that server and if there are GM shops? oh I know...since the rates are higher and there are GM shops there is no reason to bot or buy adena there.
Don't get me wrong... I love NCsoft. Lineage II has given me countless hours of fun and, unless NCsoft does something radical to change that, it will give me many more in the years to come.
But the comparison being drawn here between Lineage II, or for that matter, any MMO, and the Sony Playstation 3 is ludacris.
If you somehow managed to combine the wealth of NCsoft, Blizzard, and every other MMO producing company in the world... oyu may come close to approaching one complete percent of Sony's collective wealth.
Sony (which is actually many small divisions: Sony Online Entertainment - Sony TV - Sony Electronics - Sony Robotics - etc) has a greater wealth than most developed countries (no joke) and can afford to fight off hackers with hundreds of millions of USD. The fact that PS3 hasn't been "hacked" yet, is completely unrelated to the bot issue in Lineage II.
Bots will always exist in some capacity or other. As long as people want what they provide, they will continue to provide it. There is no work-around... that's how technology works... something new is released, it gets "hacked". A patch is made to counter it, then that gets "hacked" and so on and so forth. Its an endless cycle that never ends.
Bots aren't hackers... they are mostly Chinese... why? becouse China doesn't have any legal structure for Intelectual Property, nor does it have an established system for most types of piracy or internet crimes. The Chinese government OPENLY supports bootlegging and piracy in most cases, faulting overseas manufatures for poor quality when called out on it.
99.9% of any software (more most hardware nowadays) that you buy on eBay... isa chinese bootleg. There are companies in China that do nothing bootleg, and becouse its not illegal there, these companies even print their own logos on their bootleg products (EverAnime, etc)... reaching their greedy little fingers into the MMO market is just like them... and its not going to stop.
That's why you have bots... not becouse of some macho ******* contest between Hackers and Devs... neither of whom are economically savvy enough to understand the ramifications of whats going on, But becouse its a HUGE industry in China... in early 2001 the video game industry overtook the film industry in revenue, and the "BOT" offshoot in China brings in hundreds of millions of dollars a year...
Stop blaming NCsoft for it... they don't pay the bots... they don't like the bots... in fact, if they could, I bet they would remove them all completely... but they can't compete with the Chinese government money-wise...
You are so silly that u posted a news from Monday 11-Jun-2007 LOL. That news was a false alarm since u cant properly play backup games, neither nowadays.
And why are u so curious about a priv server rates? I really dont understand you LOL.
And banned? Why? I didnt advertised any priv server here.
Fail moar?
Mac VS PC.... it was once said that the Mac OS was "safer" than Windows. Mac even boasted about it, and very shortly after, tha Mac OS was extremely hacked.
Its not that the Mac was safer or not... it was that 90% of the world uses Windows, and so 90% of the hackers do also. it is thus very easy to see why its was more frequently "hacked".
These Private servers are exactly the same... sinse they average 100 or fewer players per, (becouse too much more would draw attention and have them shut down), they are just not worth the Bots time... there are not Chinese famers there botting becouse there isn't enough money ot be made by doing so.
Lol dude. The point is if NCSoft wanted to stop botters, they would simply do it. But they dont cause then they will lose money as I ilustred in my first post. Only a blind person dont see this.
(And yeah, I know my english sux, plz dont flame that hehe.)
Lol dude. The point is if NCSoft wanted to stop botters, they would simply do it. But they dont cause then they will lose money as I ilustred in my first post.
(And yeah, I know my english sux, plz dont flame that hehe.)
finding a solution to stop botting 100% is imposible and please don't bring up private servers since they are bad comparison.
@Grimaldus:
I just replied to xZolterR post and I have no idea why he brought in PS3 into this.
/end
Since xZolterR beleves there are some hardware/software that isn't crackable/hackable. Here are some examples:
Everyone said that the PSP was uncrackable....it took the crackers 2 days to crack it.
What about iTunes and theyr copy protection on songs...didn't last long before it was cracked.
iPhone...got cracked within days also.
DVD copy protection...what's that?
Game copy protection...does that even exist?
There is nothing that isn't crackable/hackable in the digital world. Some may be hard and require lots of time, but nothing is imposible.
Anything conected to the internet is open for any type of attacks.
The thing is that is ppl see a good reason to crack or **** something they will do it, but cracking private servers is just waste of time since not many play on them and there are several builds out there.
As for the client security you are talking about xZolterR, I bet that one with knowledge and time to edit the files that are made by the host to "protect" it can easely disable it and do what ever they want with the client afterwards, but since there is no reason to do it no one is doing it.
I bet that if the NCSoft added the same protection to the client/server it would take the bots 1 week tops to crack and by-pass it.
Now before you post another stupidity xZolterR, you should learn about programing and reverse-enginering of software aplications (you may learn about it when you get older).
Retail = You can box, bot, buy adena, use 3rd party programs etc.
Priv server I'm talking about = You cant box, cant bot, cant buy adena, cant use 3rd party program.
And note that in retail there are PAID programmers to do their job...
Please dont use the "its hard to code" card plz.
Now tell me whats crap? LOL.
This just make me laugh even more.
Dude dont glorify priv servers, you know as well as me that more then 60% of the servers are donation servers that the reroll after a litle while.
The other of them are usally also donation servers were you can "buy" most of the stuff.
And the reason why you cant "bot" on privat servers is becuse is becuse the programs are made for the offical, and yea there are programs made for private servers to.
Seems you have hit the mother load of all priv servers as you think its so good as most priv severs are uter crap.
Lol dude. The point is if NCSoft wanted to stop botters, they would simply do it. But they dont cause then they will lose money as I ilustred in my first post. Only a blind person dont see this.
(And yeah, I know my english sux, plz dont flame that hehe.)
Your argument is flawed. There is zero incentive for bot programmers to crack the security measures in place on private servers, but a lot of incentive to break NCSoft's measures. No method of security or encryption is 100% secure, and with enough effort and resources it can be overcome.
Hummmm....seems you guys are saying NC will never be able to stop the bots. You know something...i believe you cause they haven't been able to do squat so far.
Then **** Aion..... I really don't need anymore of this hastle.
Hummmm....seems you guys are saying NC will never be able to stop the bots. You know something...i believe you cause they haven't been able to do squat so far.
Then **** Aion..... I really don't need anymore of this hastle.
Aion is not something the L2 demographic should bother with. L2 and Aion are like oil and water.
Lineage II was designed to be hardcore... and ultimately, that means a open/free world with few instances, and now, that's falling completely apart. Why? becouse its the only way to make the "bot problem" less apparent to the players.
Aion is almost 100% instanced... now before the ******s get all uppity, I did say "Almost".
Lineage II is nowhere near the end of its lifecycle, and when Aion launches in NA, and fails misserably it will be even more apparent.
AFAIK, PS3 isnt cracked since its release. Neither the new PSP models. And maybe you are right that they eventually will crack both, but in the next versions it will be more secure and harder to crack (see PSP for example).
Maybe was not a very good example to bring PS3 and other **** to the point, but the fact is, I never saw NCSoft at least trying to avoid the bots.
And even if they break the security of the client, its not that hard to do another fix for at least difficult the botters life.
Let's get this out of topic for a while, and lets think about it:
Why, in the holy earth, GM's take so much time to ban botters (when they ban ofc)? Even a normal person without GM powers can easily detect when a toon is a bot or not.
Well I dont know how frustrating was your experience with priv servers in the past, but this priv server is really good, they are 2 years+ live and never wiped. I just left there for a while and came here because I have 2 chars 78 there and got a bit bored and since I never played retail before I decided to try and confirm what friends said, that retail is a nice piece of crap.
PS:
Its not a matter of "why", its a matter you CANT. GF.
Btw, did u check ur bot train today already?
LOL how many players those private server have nowadays? 50-100? LOL gmshop and npcbuffer with special wep glows and costum client which is ilegal? corrupt gms which help players which items? And you say retail is a quote "piece of crap"? LOL you live in a dreamworld buddy
On every post you talk about others bot, is it maybe you that got frustrated about using bots and get caught? You sound foolish and childish so dont cry us more a river about your " private servers are so better" atitude because if so, just leave us and go play there. And not spam your post count here talking trash about private servers.
And FYI, I came here because I wanted to know how retail is. But taking the chronicle updates and more servers, I dont see how retail is better, sincerely. If you doubt about this priv server just search around and see for yourself, I'm not here to advertise it.
I know a priv server that doesn't even allow boxing. You simply cant run 2 clients at once. And no one never ever ever ever by-passed this since the server went live (server is 2 years alive btw).
Seems you are the one who bots here. Bot moar plz.
no one cracked their protection?
why is that ?
i see 2 possible answers
1. its so great no one in the world can handle it
2. no one who seriously able to, bothered to break it because very few people would pay for that, and of those who play on the server and would like to crack it, no one is competent enough to do so.
seems like you support 1st option, but the rest of the sane people certainly go with the second...
the second option also implies that once some server with really cool protection gets somewhat popular, if there is demand for breach of this protection, it WILL be cracked. ESPECIALLY if those are official servers.
Actually I believe it's possible to fight botting but this basically requires constant investments onto programmer team who regularly change protection system so that latest workarounds would no longer work, this is endless work which will only stop when no people will want to bot, which is when the server gets closed as well.
I think this is too expensive to be profitable which is the reason we see so much bots. this is inevitable curse of all mmo games, if you think there are no bots in wow and such games, you're too naive .. only they bot in instances, that's why you don't see them there. in lineage 2, there are no instances you can completely level in (yet), that's why bots bother people so much. but as we get more and more instances we get each update, who knows, maybe some day fields will be bot free :)
Actually, the most simple fact is that most of these servers have people on their team who are dedicated and very good programmers who have backgrounds with making the exact same programs they are stopping from enabling access to their servers. The main reason there are very few hacks that work on good private servers is because the people who code these protections are the best.
And they have alot of competition, especially with russians they will stop at nothing to break into anything they can get their hands on, just to prove they are the best. The reason that these people try so much harder on private servers is because there is nothing to lose. There is no fear of prosecution, its an illegal server to begin with. And there is no loss for having your account/ip banned, you payed nothing to begin with.
And FYI, I came here because I wanted to know how retail is. But taking the chronicle updates and more servers, I dont see how retail is better, sincerely. If you doubt about this priv server just search around and see for yourself, I'm not here to advertise it.
why would you "take" updates and more servers? imo, that's the whole point! I see no reason to play on some strange server that only exists at the mercy of its owner, can be closed any moment because NCsoft sues it, or the owner gets bored, or the profits he gets no longer satisfy him, and all that on the 3rd party software which only similar to the official in the art department (obviously). thanks I am fed with this already
Lol, its unbelievable how many ppl thinks that all priv servers are made for profit reasons. I dont blame you guys tho, cause I see how selfish and greedy this community are, looking just at how many live supports I see around, or how many live players at all, lawl :D.
You guys are just overestimating retail. And no one answered me:
Why, in the holy earth, GM's take so much time to ban botters (if/when they ban ofc)? Even a normal person without GM powers can easily detect when a toon is a bot or not.
Private servers are no way in hell more secure than retail. Sure they block the "most common" bot programs, but so does retail. The difference is mainly that people bypass retail faster, since noone is going to make a bot specially for that server (however the new bot program that would be launched would most likely work on a private server as well). Hell, you can even easily DDoS a private server, not to mention crack its security.
Now the part that really made me post here is that not all private servers are illegal. L2J is completely separate and legal to run anywhere but USA, since it's an emulator (might be a few locations more, but quite doubtful). As long as the game client isn't modified it's perfectly legit. L2 Off on the other hand is illegal anywhere.
I think that most of you are wrong :).
I am in L2 since C2. And came to official 2008-03. So I have ~3y of exp in privates. I have tested different types of privates. x200, even x2000. But most time was spent on x5 servers (2 of them). Who said that private server population is 50-100? Most server where I have been had population more that 2000. One server average logged in accounts ~5000 (server dead or wiped now). I don't want to list here what are privates cons and pros.
As I see there are 2 discussion axes:
1. private server are botless ( or very low population ).
2. official can't fight vs bots.
Ok lets go one by one.
1. private server are botless ( or very low population ).
It is not 100% true. I have find out that if server stats goes similar to official stats (x3, x2) some bots appear. It is true that bot software developer are not interested in so small area as some private server players. But some players can find some bot versions suitable for particular server.
Next part is finding bots. Some private servers have a lot of GMs, and these GMs are chosen from live players. There are some negative aspects of such solution (like misuse of GM power against enemy clan and such), but these GMs mostly interested in server health, because they play on it. Maybe NCSoft should think about same approach...
Banning player is also easy - usually there are no agreement between server and player. And that server may stop it service to any client in any time.
Do these private servers have some special software to prevent boting/boxing on server? Yes and no. I mean that some server have, but this software is easy avoidable. For example: one server made restriction that only one l2 instance can be run per one PC (prevent boxing). Easiest solution was to login on different M$ Windows accounts (same PC) run l2 instances and switch Windows accounts when they wanted to use different l2 accounts. No hacking, no special software...
And last thing about boting on private - I believe that 95% botting cases are because peoples want to gain exp/sp. And on official most case are because of drop/spoil.
2. official can't fight vs bots.
Also not 100% correct. NCSoft fights.
Each GameGuard release (I believe) requires adopted bot software version. But because it is on client side it is very vulnerable to hackers. Server side ... hmm I believe that none software against botting.
Everyone of us knows "Bot hammer". There are some positive effect of it. But it is ok only when high level bots (78+) are banned. Because with bot software it is easy to level up 0-78 in weeks. On Teon there are still talks about banned 5 parties from top clans with a lot of boss jevelry and S80 stuff...
Banning of every bot it is also painful procedure, because NCSoft providing legal service and boting should be 100% proved.
IMHO I believe that NCSoft now gathering all information about botting player and related accounts. Remember that new accounts can be opened through referral program only ...
Sad, but there are so little things what can be done by normal player to fight vs bots. To keep perma red char for spot clean up, it is one of solutions.
Remember that new accounts can be opened through referral program only ...
Sad, but there are so little things what can be done by normal player to fight vs bots. To keep perma red char for spot clean up, it is one of solutions.
Wrong. Just buy a game account key at your local game shop and you have your account and buy it directly from NCSoft.
Players can help GM's fight the bot by using the bot report button. One player reporting the same bots over and over again won't do anything, but if 30 players reports the same bots over and over again then there will be enough reports on them to trigger an alarm at the GM's so that they can check them.
It will be intresting to see how the new bot report system will work in Gracia Final (CT2.3) and I hope HGMSpam will keep hes promise to revert the system back to the current one if it hurts the legit players more than the bots.
Private servers are no way in hell more secure than retail. Sure they block the "most common" bot programs, but so does retail. The difference is mainly that people bypass retail faster, since noone is going to make a bot specially for that server (however the new bot program that would be launched would most likely work on a private server as well). Hell, you can even easily DDoS a private server, not to mention crack its security.
Now the part that really made me post here is that not all private servers are illegal. L2J is completely separate and legal to run anywhere but USA, since it's an emulator (might be a few locations more, but quite doubtful). As long as the game client isn't modified it's perfectly legit. L2 Off on the other hand is illegal anywhere.
Yes i agree. They crack faster retail because is all about MONEY! Who bot = adena = real money. All those ebayers, those adena sites profit from it. Players selling their toon/gear for real money.
For many players L2 isnt just a game anymore for fun, it got a real buisness for them to earn their money!!!!
Why doing that on private servers? private servers are no buisness..and no worth cracking it.
Also why trying to find "reasons" or explanations to say what is good about private servers? there are no good points at all. They are not worth mentioning even. They are all Ilegal servers btw. Most of them are costum and so much difrent that it doesnt look more like L2. L2j is full of bugs...So open the trashcan and lets throw them there inside and stop talking about them. The real game happends here and nowhere else. The rest is just a cheap copy who will die anyways sooner or later.
After an effective banhammer last month, botters have returned to their favourite spots: Garden of Beasts, HotSprings, Woa...
Reported them daily, and again seems the GM's need a little heads up ^^ show the soulless that you are not to be fooled :)
It's been almost a week. Can we get confirmation as to whether bots are still around? Does another thread need to be made to remind NCsoft or is this one still sufficient?
What is tiresome is that the anti-bot threads are all the same, the replies are same (yes, even this one), and it's an endless, circular argument that pits poster's emotions against one another to no purpose.
Your hunting spot taken by bots? What's changed?
You have the same options you had last week--you can report them and move on to do something else, you can grief them for awhile, you can perhaps roll them.
So we want to talk about botting huh? Really? You're all sure?
Cause having a REAL discussion about bots is gonna get uncomfortable! (lol).
Those bots aren't being run by some poor chinese guy chained to a computer desk, are they?
They are run by YOUR clanmates, YOUR playing companions, YOUR alliance-mates. Yes, even by some of you who post here so vehemently!
You have been or will be clanned or allied with or an enemy of the guy playing who is behind nearly every single one of those bots.
Win.
The game is fun. The game won't change. Enjoy it for what it is. If you can't enjoy it anymore then my best advice is to find another game or a hobby that does make you happy. Above all, be happy.
The bots are still there cause NCSoft don't give a ****. Nuff said.
the bots are still here because crackers like to brake the security messurments that NCSoft tries to add.
NCSoft has several times tried to change protocols, but guess what...the bot makers changes theyr software within minutes because they profit from cracking it.
go and look at the other forum and see all the botters cry that they got banned or look in game at the "hardcore" PvP clans that used to have 99.99% botted members, the ones thet remains in the clans that got hit are scared so many has stopped botting.
if you still think that "NCSoft don't give a ****" then maybe you are better of at the sucky private server (sorry NC) since you obviously hate NCSoft so mutch.
servers has gone from normal/heavy to light from all the bannings
but it's pointless to talk to a person that price private servers more than the official ones.
What i noticed playing here for 3 months (lineage 2),
is that the private servers have 1 advantage that NCsoft can never offer to it's customers - it is much less bots number than on official servers.
When bots ware banned month ago i was so hapy that is hard to descripe i could exp easly in Apostate or Branded have some equal lvl pvp for the room - get good fun from the game.
But at the moment bots ware lvled again so some days all branded was taken (no free room at all), all apostate was taken (no free room at all), WoA was taken, and now a lot of spots on the VoS as well.
What is really funny - go to Orc Village on teon guys :) this is most amazing view - the orc village is almost imitation of life, there is a plenty of toons :) all of them going to hit guards there :).
I had a hell of fun watching this wrote a petition to the gm's and some of bots disapired for some time and now they are back.
Each day i'm writting at least 1 pettition to GM's still hoping that anything will change.
Personaly i'm playing on 3 accounts, and i can use all 3 accounts not using 3ird party software you can check me each time and have a very good fun form that.
Why, in the holy earth, GM's take so much time to ban botters (if/when they ban ofc)? Even a normal person without GM powers can easily detect when a toon is a bot or not.
Find a nice excuse for this question please.
I'll take a shot (although I'm not generally in any "defend NCSoft mode").
Spudnik answered this better in another post--but basically it comes down to resource and process.
Let's say NCSoft has a GM on every server 24/7 (which I kind of doubt--but okay). During that working shift, the GM is not ONLY responding to bot petitions.
Players have glitches they've reported, game questions that get a 'ticket' and require a response, probably some reporting and maintenance functions, and I'm guessing a back-log of items from the prior shift, etc.
So you or I petition: "xgzgkeii" is part of a bot train in Beast Farm....and all the details...
That gets tagged and prioritized. Should the GM ignore the guys trying to do a major raid boss who are all angry at some glitch just to drop everything and address this bot train?
I would like to see 2 things happen actually.
I would like to see Spam or someone share generally (I know they won't do specific) what kind of volume they deal with on all ticket types. Perhaps share a "closure" rate as well. Give the community some idea of the volumes they address.
Secondly, I'd like for players to be the least bit reasonable in expectations. C'mon, no one can say they don't expect there will be bots! We all have played long enough to know they are in the game.
I think it is kind of arrogant to believe everything has to happen on "my" time frame (obviously I'm saying all player's timeframes).
In other words, you log in at 3:30pm. You goof off for 45 minutes and then grab a pal and go to Fotd. You run to your preferred spot and there are bots. NOW you want them to be eliminated in the next 5 minutes.
That's just not generally going to happen. Remember up above? The GM(s) available are already working on things!
I would argue it is player expectation (I want what I want and I want it right now!) that should adjust a bit.
Are there bot groups that seem to last for days after petitions? Yup. It would seem they could be dealt with in less than a day!
But standing at your hunting spot for 30 minutes waiting for bots to go poof isn't going to get you anywhere except steaming mad.
Without additional information/data, we are not equipped to determine whether GM's are lazy, don't care, (get tin foil hat out) have an interest in maintaining some bots, or are actually swamped.
What i noticed playing here for 3 months (lineage 2),
is that the private servers have 1 advantage that NCsoft can never offer to it's customers - it is much less bots number than on official servers.
When bots ware banned month ago i was so hapy that is hard to descripe i could exp easly in Apostate or Branded have some equal lvl pvp for the room - get good fun from the game.
But at the moment bots ware lvled again so some days all branded was taken (no free room at all), all apostate was taken (no free room at all), WoA was taken, and now a lot of spots on the VoS as well.
What is really funny - go to Orc Village on teon guys :) this is most amazing view - the orc village is almost imitation of life, there is a plenty of toons :) all of them going to hit guards there :).
I had a hell of fun watching this wrote a petition to the gm's and some of bots disapired for some time and now they are back.
Each day i'm writting at least 1 pettition to GM's still hoping that anything will change.
Personaly i'm playing on 3 accounts, and i can use all 3 accounts not using 3ird party software you can check me each time and have a very good fun form that.
I hope they will ban plenty of bots, each week :)
LOL and again who thinks this about private servers are less bot populated. Sure there is no reason to bot those servers!
copy paste from my previous post:
They crack faster retail because is all about MONEY! Who bot = adena = real money. All those ebayers, those adena sites profit from it. Players selling their toon/gear for real money.
For many players L2 isnt just a game anymore for fun, it got a real buisness for them to earn their money!!!!
Why doing that on private servers? private servers are no buisness..and no worth cracking it.
Also why trying to find "reasons" or explanations to say what is good about private servers? there are no good points at all. They are not worth mentioning even. They are all Ilegal servers btw. Most of them are costum and so much difrent that it doesnt look more like L2. L2j is full of bugs...So open the trashcan and lets throw them there inside and stop talking about them. The real game happends here and nowhere else. The rest is just a cheap copy who will die anyways sooner or later.
The friend that got me to try L2 got interested in the game because he tried it on 3 private servers. Here is why he left each:
First one was shut down after a letter from NCSoft to the owner.
Second was a large/stable one but actually took epics away from people that were not donors. He earned an Ant Queen ring and it was deleted. Got an email saying that a simple donation would restore the ring.
Third was the owner's private ego trip. He removed all the class change quests so that the player would have to beg (even after donation) to be moved up at each class change.
Not a exhaustive sample, but seems to me that these experiences are not unusual. Not to mention just knowing that you are stealing from the legit owners of the property is enough to make it not worth most people's time.
He came to retail expecting all of these issues to be gone, and was quite happy. He recruited me and started a toon over so we could play together. Once we were both around 40 we noticed the bot problem. I continued to play, he quit. I found a great clan before getting annoyed enough to quit as well.
My point? Just that if you are in a private server you are dealing with a different class of criminal/loser. Not only that, but you are joining the ranks of these same criminals/losers.
Go have fun (until something ruins it for you), feel free to not darken our door again.
EDIT: Just to be clear, the criminals/Losers on retail are the bots...
All you people who condone to botting in such a fashion by now that you actually don't want to see threads on the official forums anymore against botting should really get a reality check.
The thing that stops these threads from appearing is getting the bots out of the game. Not a QQ section (seriously, wtf).
Stop botting ingame or quit if you have a problem with anti-bot policy.
You guys might think posting these threads here are helping the GM's, but they are also helping the botters.
Someone who bots comes into this threads, reads all the information & announces it on to L2BLAH & BOOM, botters log out.Instead of being ban & now the GM's job, has just become much harder! :(
(Not saying they will) However, a GM might get back to you faster, if you send a "support ticket" with fraps/screen shots etc.. Of all proof you can get of these bot trains!
Tiffy... This is definetely not right ^^ as far as I can see... a) GM's are not checking a spot because of this posts and b) GM control, even though when they do it it's effective... is not constant. Therefore botters are not afraid of coming back.
Ketra and Varka is just as before... or even worse. There are "bot pimps" that claim a certain spot BELONGS to them... and they just admit it. One thing is to bully around to fight for a spot, but another is to bot there 24/7... So... each time me or my friends report them, it's just like it was ignored. No one can play 24/7... that's insane.
Tiffy... This is definetely not right ^^ as far as I can see... a) GM's are not checking a spot because of this posts and b) GM control, even though when they do it it's effective... is not constant. Therefore botters are not afraid of coming back.
Ketra and Varka is just as before... or even worse. There are "bot pimps" that claim a certain spot BELONGS to them... and they just admit it. One thing is to bully around to fight for a spot, but another is to bot there 24/7... So... each time me or my friends report them, it's just like it was ignored. No one can play 24/7... that's insane.
Posting here is not an action, it's a reaction ^^
Sure it's not right, but tell me, what are you hoping to get out of this?
I'll take a shot (although I'm not generally in any "defend NCSoft mode").
Spudnik answered this better in another post--but basically it comes down to resource and process.
Let's say NCSoft has a GM on every server 24/7 (which I kind of doubt--but okay). During that working shift, the GM is not ONLY responding to bot petitions.
Players have glitches they've reported, game questions that get a 'ticket' and require a response, probably some reporting and maintenance functions, and I'm guessing a back-log of items from the prior shift, etc.
So you or I petition: "xgzgkeii" is part of a bot train in Beast Farm....and all the details...
That gets tagged and prioritized. Should the GM ignore the guys trying to do a major raid boss who are all angry at some glitch just to drop everything and address this bot train?
I would like to see 2 things happen actually.
I would like to see Spam or someone share generally (I know they won't do specific) what kind of volume they deal with on all ticket types. Perhaps share a "closure" rate as well. Give the community some idea of the volumes they address.
Secondly, I'd like for players to be the least bit reasonable in expectations. C'mon, no one can say they don't expect there will be bots! We all have played long enough to know they are in the game.
I think it is kind of arrogant to believe everything has to happen on "my" time frame (obviously I'm saying all player's timeframes).
In other words, you log in at 3:30pm. You goof off for 45 minutes and then grab a pal and go to Fotd. You run to your preferred spot and there are bots. NOW you want them to be eliminated in the next 5 minutes.
That's just not generally going to happen. Remember up above? The GM(s) available are already working on things!
I would argue it is player expectation (I want what I want and I want it right now!) that should adjust a bit.
Are there bot groups that seem to last for days after petitions? Yup. It would seem they could be dealt with in less than a day!
But standing at your hunting spot for 30 minutes waiting for bots to go poof isn't going to get you anywhere except steaming mad.
Without additional information/data, we are not equipped to determine whether GM's are lazy, don't care, (get tin foil hat out) have an interest in maintaining some bots, or are actually swamped.
Not.
A decent company would hire ppl just to deal with bots imo. A person that is in charge just to ban botters. Hell, there are ppl around that would do it FOR FREE.
No matter what or how many excuses, its just unaceptable that NCSoft take this much time to ban cheaters. And you ppl blindly believes that they really fight against botters. I dont know whats more hilarious.
If you 2 want to continue flamming eachother, by all means, take it to L2BLAH! Lol
They will eat you for lunch! (True story)
I'm not flamming him/her, but complaining that the official servers are crappy and talking down to everyone that is against private servers is a behaviour that I don't like.
Oh and I don't post or read most of the stuff at l2bot...sorry blah...
A decent company would hire ppl just to deal with bots imo. A person that is in charge just to ban botters. Hell, there are ppl around that would do it FOR FREE.
No matter what or how many excuses, its just unaceptable that NCSoft take this much time to ban cheaters. And you ppl blindly believes that they really fight against botters. I dont know whats more hilarious.
So I have this straight. You posted that nobody answered your point. I took a shot at an explanation.
Without discussing my explanation you respond "no matter what or how many excuses..."
So.......you weren't interested in ANY answers or discussion?
Then what the hell did you post the comment about no one answering you, for?
You may not like the answer (and apparently you can't consider ANY answer) but every company on earth has resource limitations. Every. Single. One.
Every company must use processes and systems to approach their service threshold within a financial (or other) constraint.
Since it isn't your money it's pretty easy to say that NCSoft should have more people--you don't even know how many they currently HAVE before making that statement.
Again, I'm not an NCSoft fan and can't believe I'm even having this ridiculous exchange. But there's a real world in which companies exist and it has actual facts that dictate approaches and outcomes.
"Unlimited money to hire more staff" is a ridiculous expectation to toss at any company.
In the future it would help if you could be clear. If you've made up your narrow mind then just type that. If you actually want to have discussions and exchange opinions and thoughts that's fine too.
I guess u all are NCSoft employees... Its hard to believe what I read here lol :D.
If you're never going to participate in any other manner than that of being an ******* then why bother.
Some of us actually try to write clearly and to discuss and interact on these topics because we love the game and feel passionate about it. When you dismiss others' posts the way you have it simply demonstrates you are ignorant.
This is a bot game, i will back to mi private server, maybe is not the same but there are GMs that know what have to do, and play with people, not with programs.
It is my first post because i speak spanish and we have our forum.
I guess u all are NCSoft employees... Its hard to believe what I read here lol :D.
Most ppl playing retail know that there are issues with farmers/bots. They also know that it is better than it used to be. With that said let me now move on to the subject of your posts...
You post all over these boards incoherently flamming people that are trying to discuss the issue in a somewhat mature fashion. Yet tbh after reading your posts I can safely say that you really have no idea what you are talking about. You continuously post about this great private server that you love... well go back to it. But let's be clear, its "security" measures only look so great because no one with any know how has bothered to break it.
This is a bot game, i will back to mi private server, maybe is not the same but there are GMs that know what have to do, and play with people, not with programs.
It is my first post because i speak spanish and we have our forum.
U laugh but this is the reality. Many ppl come to retail thinking its better than privs but it is not. Privs may not have the full content retail has, but this is the only point that retail is better than the good privs.
U laugh but this is the reality. Many ppl come to retail thinking its better than privs but it is not. Privs may not have the full content retail has, but this is the only point that retail is better than the good privs.
And retail is better. In my opinion it is and many others share this opinion with me.
Its horrible! The worst thing is that those who are careful and love the game and their characters and play this game as it should be played have to suffer.
Real players have to suffer now, when the huntings spots are taken by the bot parties and they have to suffer later when the botted toons out-leveled them and start to pvp them with both better gear and higher levels.
I realized that they will keep buying accounts but the "bot report button" seem to have no effect, OR its just to long between the ban sequences so we cant really notice any effect.
But seriousely, if a GM take a trip "around the world" and take a look with their own eyes they will get some good work going.
And one more very important thing.. USER FEEDBACK! Announce on the official site when the banhammer was swinged so we know the work we do reporting, pays off.
Common NA NCsoft/Lineage2! Start communicate! Look at the Korean site and check out the activity there.
Mine bot killer character enjoy of this. :)
Sometimes when I have only ~10min time for game play, I login only bot killer to look around a spot I guarding. pk count 50+ and growing ;)
Well hehe I killed a few bots last night again.. but for what reason. The owner wont prolly not even notice he was killed when he got home. Only me have to work on the SinEater again ><...
In apostate catac there is a bot party with 2 bot protectors,
what is funny i killed with friend bot party;p
then bot protectors came >> NICK : KOWE (i know it is forbiden, as well the using third party software), i went there on Berserker 67 ;p and fight this KOWE and the second (smth like XyNbS :P) arround 2/3 min in pving ;p but as he had spamming CP pots (and mine ware off) i did not have chance to kill the *******.
that was on Teon.
I reported all bots i but pettition on that, and you know what - nothing happend till 3 weeks !!!!! i but few petition for same party, as well as my clan mates... and you know what.... ?? nothing happend.
What was funny- when i wrote i will not pay for any of my 3 account and change a game, i receive that they are "very conecered, and well aware of this problem". My all clan was loughting of that.
And you know what i see yesterday ?? - same part, same location, same bot protector hahaha :P
If any 1 is interested to go with hi lvl guy to kill bot protector (he will drop smth for sure), pm me here or in game - nick ELNION / RBraider / BuffyLady, Urguk (i'm using those chars), i can go and make him flag with my char - even get kill to get rid of this protectors ;p
BTW what i noticed, when i went there with friend 76 Archer ;p the bot protectors did not showed up after we killed the bots:D:D:D.
I was thinking as well to get download any l2 bot, buy a lot of cp pots, go there start the bot using pots and kill the guy;p as he is doing low dmg ;p and now buff ;p
I reported all bots i but pettition on that, and you know what - nothing happend till 3 weeks !!!!! i but few petition for same party, as well as my clan mates... and you know what.... ?? nothing happend.
I suggest you to don't waste your time, because NCSoft staff seems to do things randomly and when they are in a good mood. Still, WHEN or IF they do something.
First of all, sorry my horrible english. I try my best to make ppl understand. Kk thx here we go:
The most fun part of all of it is that you ppl dont realize that NCSoft not only SUPPORTS, but ALLOW botting.
Every bot account is +$15 in NC's pockets. Imagine how many bot trains you see around everyday.
Not to mention all the "legit" players whom buy adena with real currency off the bots. This way everyone goes happy: botters have their money they got from the ebayers, NCSoft earn lots of money due the many bot accounts ($15 per account), and the final player get his gear/lv faster.
See how things works?
Now you tell me NC dont allow botting. Sure. This is one of most ridiculous funny bull**** hypocrite *insert a word here* joke I've heard in my life.
The "bans" you guys see around are just to make ppl believe they are "correct" and doing something. Think about it like a small hope to the real legit players to not quit the game.
Any decent programmer could easily make the game to not load if it detects something strange on it (some 3rd party program for example). But why they dont do that? Hehe, dont need to be a genious to figure out why ;).
I think that you are right but that was in the past. Two years ago I predicted that there will come a day when there will be less than 10% players and more than 90% botters and when that day comes the business of the botters will shrink and the business of NCSoft will start shrinking too.
Well, that day came a few months ago and now NCsoft is taking action to prevent the fall down.
Why I think that?
Because a year and a half ago 1mil adena used to cost $1 on ebay, now it cost something like $0.12-0.13. How do I know that? Simple ... the bots are spamming me with offers ingame all the time as they spam all of you too.
So ... there is a decrease of value. What does cause it? The lack of customers and the increasing number of sellers. If you have a basic knowledge of global economy you would know that when the production exceeds the demand the result is a decrease in the price. Why? Because people need to sell their product and if there are too many sellers of the same product then only the price is a factor.
So here we go ... the price is dropping and the botters need to have three times more adena if they want to get $10000/month so what can they do? Obviously make more bot trains.
The result is that more and more legal players are getting annoyed because they can't find a good spot to level and they quit. That causes the lack of customers.
Now the only thing left is to take drastical steps to free spots for the players. They have the example of the US servers and don't want to see that happening to the EU servers as well.
They are still allowing the existance of the botters on the "dead' servers because if they ban them there will be like 200-300 people playing on those servers like it is on a private server. But they can't allow this to happen on Teon because this is the one server which still has a decent ammount of real players. So I think the bot banning campain is strongest on Teon. At least I can see the result of it every day. I hear of hero bans, I see bot groups disappearing every day from the common leveling places. I am happy to say that whenever I log in I can find at least 6 free spawns in Varka and the only problem I have are our enemies. Don't worry guys NCSoft is doing a good job on killing bots now. I think they learned their lesson and will continuously clean the servers. I am sure they realized that the real players are those who actually pay their sellaries.
KEEP THE GOOD WORK GMs! I am really happy to see that you are doing your job as it should be done.
Well I wish they could treat every server equally then. Cause I don't see all this banning campaign happening in Phoenix. Just log in on Phoenix and take a walk in catas. Yesterday I couldnt find a **** room in Witch cata, and yeah, I looked even very deep, but the cata was crowded... bot crowded. I didn't even bother to report em, because I know that button is one of the funniest jokes that they putted in the game. And btw, just you to know, there are private servers with more ppl than retail. And all of them (at least the ones I know) are bot-free.
Well I wish they could treat every server equally then. Cause I don't see all this banning campaign happening in Phoenix. Just log in on Phoenix and take a walk in catas. Yesterday I couldnt find a **** room in Witch cata, and yeah, I looked even very deep, but the cata was crowded... bot crowded. blablablablablablablablablablablablabla....
Get over it already or go back to your crappy server
Get over it already or go back to your crappy server
Whats ur problem dude? Cant u see that retail isn't better than any other priv? Now I wanna talk about retail and privs:
- Privs: Ppl says in privs u can donate for +++ weapons and armors.
- Retail: Anyone can chose one of the hundreds adena sellers websites they advertise to ur char 24/7 and buy any +++ weapon and armor they want.
Whats the diference?
- Privs: Ppl says in privs the staff can ban u whenever they want without even giving u a reason.
- Retail: They can do that too. Read the EULA and see for urself.
Whats the diference?
- Privs: Ppl says u can play in 200x privs and be 78+ in a eye blink.
- Retail: U can easily buy a power level service in the hundreds adena sellers websites. Not to mention that u can buy 78+ accounts.
Whats the diference?
I could easily put millions of examples like that here, but in short, I just tell u this: there are priv servers that u can't donate for items, u can't bot, u can't even dual box. Just that is enough to tell they are way better than retail. The only thing I see retail has that no privs have, is the full up-to-date content. And I dont know u, but I rather play in a server bot-free, corruption-free and FREE, than in a PAID server that has all content but everyone can cheat the way they want.
Are u satisfied now? Now stop calling my name. You make me lol hard.
Lol dude. The point is if NCSoft wanted to stop botters, they would simply do it. But they dont cause then they will lose money as I ilustred in my first post. Only a blind person dont see this.
Theres no real factual evidence that this is the case. It's just a theory that has been bandied around for quite some time so don't be too hasty. Admittedly it's a rather compelling theory, but this could just be because of how most of us feel about it. We, as the playerbase, simply can not be impartial about it.
It certainly 'seems' like the bot problem is an easy fix if you really wanted to tackle it permenantly, but it may not be that simple...
Edit: Crap. I hit 250 posts. I'm no longer a 'Dark Lord', but some ****** wyrm. Great :(
Well I wish they could treat every server equally then. Cause I don't see all this banning campaign happening in Phoenix. Just log in on Phoenix and take a walk in catas. Yesterday I couldnt find a **** room in Witch cata, and yeah, I looked even very deep, but the cata was crowded... bot crowded. I didn't even bother to report em, because I know that button is one of the funniest jokes that they putted in the game. And btw, just you to know, there are private servers with more ppl than retail. And all of them (at least the ones I know) are bot-free.
Mate, I said it already if they ban all the bots from the low populated servers they will eventually have to shut them down. The bots are the ones paying the bills for the existance of the servers there. NCSoft has lost the war there. It is sad but true.
I just hope that they have learned their lesson and will be persistant in the bot hunting on the servers which still have a decent population.
You all have to understand that Lineage2 as it was meant to be is a very hard to play game. Imagine a 100% bot free server. Where are you going to get materials to make 10 Arcana maces, 10 DC sets, 20 Swords of mirracles and all the money you need in order to over-enchant?
Now I got 1-2 topC+10+ weapons, 1-2 topD+10+ weapons, topD heavy+6, topC heavy+6, topA, topB heavy set+6 topB+7/+8/+9 weapons A grade heavy set+6 (I sold it for profit and I will make it again) 2 arcana maces, one draconic bow and a lot of other stuff and all of this I have made or gained through buying/selling/crafting. That is all because of the bots who make tons of materials every day and sell them on the market to get adena which they are then selling to ebayers and all those ebayers are customers for my crafted products.
The point is all those botters are a part of the economy. A very important part of it. If they all get banned in 1 day (which is not that hard to be achieved, trust me on this) the economy of the server will die. Plain and simple! Even now with the bot hammer campain in place all players who are getting rich from crafting and trading are feeling the lack of customers for our merchandise. Do you think that the GM team of NCSoft doesn't know that? They know pretty well what is going to happen if they stop the bots at once.
The conclusion is - botting is evil but it is a neccessary evil and it must be treated like one. It should be kept under control. That is what NCSoft is trying to do now in my opinion.
If that its true I will quit this game :(
There is no need to quit mate. If I may give you an advice, just go to the servers with higher population. That way you will see less bots and more real players.
ApaMuc... you are not right there mate...yes bots are part of the economy but shouldn't be... you talk about bots like narc and organized crime... it exists but it shouldn't. If there was a 100% bot free server and NC lured more players by simply advertising (just like wow does) we'd have a new community. The thing is that every silly kid wants things fast and easy, and therefore they no willing to actually play to get stuff.
Anyway, I opened this thread to warn GM's about new botting activity in some zones (GoB and HS specifically) so, I don't like threads to be missleaded into flaming or anything else.
Please a GM come here, take note (or whatever you have to do with the provided info) and please take care of zones like GoB, HS, ketra/varkas, and lowbie zones as Pavel and Frozen Labyrinth. That's the zones I can tell for sure there are bots.
When you are done with it, you can close this thread because I think it already made its function. Thank you and have a nice day to all.
but I rather play in a server bot-free, corruption-free and FREE, than in a PAID server that has all content but everyone can cheat the way they want.
time to go back to your crappy private server then ^^. Gms are banning bots every day you cant expect them to be able to get rid of every bot ingame right away.
Gms are banning bots every day you cant expect them to be able to get rid of every bot ingame right away.
Sure I dont expect they ban bots right away. But FFS, they take 3 weeks or more to ban the bot trains, still, IF they ban. What the *** are they doing with the money? Hire more ppl to police the game for ***** sake.
ApaMuc:
Bots are a part of the game? Thats just the most ridiculous sentence I've read in all my L2 time. I won't even waste my time arguing with you.
Mate, I said it already if they ban all the bots from the low populated servers they will eventually have to shut them down. The bots are the ones paying the bills for the existance of the servers there.
Man, hows the math here? If they ban the bots they will eventually get new real players paying for the time. I know tons of irl friends trying the game and quitting fast because of the occupied hunting grounds.
PROACTIVITY!
Problem is that NCsoft DONT TELL THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WORKING WITH TO MAKE L2 A BETTER PLACE.
Bots are a part of the game? Thats just the most ridiculous sentence I've read in all my L2 time. I won't even waste my time arguing with you.
That was a really incorrect comment. I didn't say they are a part of the game! Learn to read carefully or if you understood me don't try to change the meaning of what I said! I said that the bots are a part of the game economy I never said they are a part of the game. These are two different things.
Man, hows the math here? If they ban the bots they will eventually get new real players paying for the time. I know tons of irl friends trying the game and quitting fast because of the occupied hunting grounds.
PROACTIVITY!
Problem is that NCsoft DONT TELL THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT THEY WORKING WITH TO MAKE L2 A BETTER PLACE.
That is a really questionable matter. You are right about one thing - it is all a matter of calculation.
We have your real life players on the one hand but we have too many actual players who are used to cheating (buying adena, not botting) who will quit if they have to grind for their next weapon. So I don't know which one is worst. Honestly.
Don't misunderstand me, I don't support botting. I hate bots and I have never stopped reporting bots. What I am trying to say is - when you say "WE WANT A BOT FREE GAME!" try to imagine what kind of a game you want.
It is going to be a really hard to play game. Forget about solo hunting! All the drops will be equally distributed in a party and again those who can pay for 4-5-6 accounts will be richer than you and will own you whereever they see you because they will be able to hunt at areas where you can only go with a full party like the Citadel.
Constant parties will again be the strongest on a server etc.
The game as it is now is easier than it is on most x2-x3-x4 private servers. That is a fact. I used to play 4 years ago here and I know what I am talking about.
I used to grind for weeks to get my first D grade and believe me it was fun. But then I needed 6 months to get topC grade+5.
Honestly, how many people are as hardcore as all of us were 4 years ago? How many people will level 4-5 characters to level 40 to get enough adena to buy C grade equipment for just 1 character. Who will grind to get all the stuff needed for an A grade craft and how?
And that compared to 2-3 allies which have all S80 parties, lots of full boss jewel sets etc.
Well its just horrible, as a new player to login for the first time, abit exited to this new game, and run up to the first guy you see, because you wanna ask a question or just make a friend, and realize that this toon is not replying...its on auto. You run up to the next one and the next and the next... and its all the same, all on auto.. what do this new player learn?
I think i will try another game MMO (trully i'm waiting for the Star Wars, The Old Republic).
and spend my time and money waiting and plying another game.
That can be much better and much nicer idea than fighitng vs bots.
I was playing Star Wars Glaxies in the time of highest population on the server, what is amazing - i have naver spot any bot !!.
Spots ware always full of toons, but all of them ware legit players.
No body was buying "credits" on e-bay, no botting, only normal players.
but it was couse that every body are afride of strenght of Lucas Arts company, well known, and they are not afride to go to court with someone who is braking the rules. If you breake the basic rules you ware banned in no time.
Good luck! If you want a free to play MMO with a bit of a difference (you can do pretty much anything) try Wurmonline. I love that game and whenever I'm a little bored of everything else I jump online and continue to build my home & gardens. It truely is the next gen in MMO... shame the graphics are poor.
If anyone's on WO let me know, I'm on MR (non-premium) and have a little base going.. let me know and we could join forces!
I think i will try another game MMO (trully i'm waiting for the Star Wars, The Old Republic).
and spend my time and money waiting and plying another game.
That can be much better and much nicer idea than fighitng vs bots.
I was playing Star Wars Glaxies in the time of highest population on the server, what is amazing - i have naver spot any bot !!.
Spots ware always full of toons, but all of them ware legit players.
No body was buying "credits" on e-bay, no botting, only normal players.
but it was couse that every body are afride of strenght of Lucas Arts company, well known, and they are not afride to go to court with someone who is braking the rules. If you breake the basic rules you ware banned in no time.