As far as I know, there was some 9*85 group on Luna. They were banned for botting, everyone on luna knew they bot, gms knew they bot, they are bots and got banned.
So I am wondering, has anything changed in your anti-cheating policy? If so, can you just say that cheating is allowed so atleast everyone has same conditions for this game? Or mb block transfers from bot-allowing-servers to any others (Luna/Franz).
First of all this thread has multiple board violations. It is a petition thread. (Not allowed) It is a thread discussing other people account issues. (Not allowed)
So I will keep this short and simple. Accounts are not closed because of mass petitions. Account will only be closed if a violation is found and properly recorded. So if your friends were banned for botting, it was because a GM showed up and tested them in person.
Feel free to "protest" for your friends. Just be mindful to follow the game rules as we will take action.
As far as I know, there was some 9*85 group on Luna. They were banned for botting, everyone on luna knew they bot, gms knew they bot, they are bots and got banned.
So I am wondering, has anything changed in your anti-cheating policy? If so, can you just say that cheating is allowed so atleast everyone has same conditions for this game? Or mb block transfers from bot-allowing-servers to any others (Luna/Franz).
AHAHAHAHAHHAAHAH
funny thing is GM's just banned like 50 legits players yesterday , i have any proof possible that none of them used 3rd party programs.
I am the GM who ran the original investigation on your group. All of your characters acted in a manner consistent with third party software use. As a matter of fact I can not conceive of any other reasonable explanation for the evidence I found. Your account will not be released.
At this time we must also respectfully inform you that any further questions regarding the account termination may be closed without response, as we feel that this matter has been attended to and addressed appropriately to fully inform you of the situation.
Regards,
GM DrSabre
btw , that what was sent by DrSabre to those guys that got banned
All Teon ppl will play it soon xD
HAHA, actually thinking is automated already with your char equipping it self etc is fun :) BTW rember to register for the tournaments each time you can, you get nothing from it but relly funy geting acces to other people bruts viat the fights, becouse they didnt put a pass to there:eek:
Could spam make announcment with link to any bot program? Lets make that every1 could use.
Because at the moment situation is like that:
#1 Feel free to bot.
#2 You may be banned!!!
#3 MAY
#4 In case IF you'll get banned ask help for ally/friends to spam NCsfot's support.
#5 Repeat from #1.
So basically NC soft has endorsed botting on Luna and now the server will be invaded by bots - GM's - it would be good to have a response on this issue - but as usual we wont get one
So basically NC soft has endorsed botting on Luna and now the server will be invaded by bots - GM's - it would be good to have a response on this issue - but as usual we wont get one
This situation has me concerned. However after following the posts on official forums regarding this and other banning situations I have to wonder. I don't allow botters in my clan, being in violation is really not the only reason. I also prefer my members to not disappear due to bannings. I have made more than one person angry over it and Im sure I will continue to do so. Now it seems, that korean random has begun to apply to bannings as well. Its possible that I have misinterpreted the situations. Some official word from a GM would be very much appreciated. It isn't always easy to find legit players in the higher lvls that won't cave into botting, lower lvls want to "catch up". This just gives them the "ok" to resort to botting so they can compete. I have not and will not condone botting. NCsoft has now made my arguement on EULA and "you risk your account being banned" null and void.
Not to derail this thread, just want to point out that this works both ways. There can be "wrong" bans and "wrong" unbans, but I for one am a bit more hopeful in my current situation when I know there is at least a chance to get a false-positive reversed.
HGMspam can u clarify on this please? If these serious bots got unbanned just because 2 or 3 people brought their alt bot chars to Aden then maybe it's time for the rest of us 2108472180123 legit players to quit.
Not to derail this thread, just want to point out that this works both ways. There can be "wrong" bans and "wrong" unbans, but I for one am a bit more hopeful in my current situation when I know there is at least a chance to get a false-positive reversed.
Yes I agree, which also makes me worry about my members. Being legit won't save them from bannings and botters/cheaters can be unbanned. Like i posted before, I may have misinterpreted what's going on but thats what Im getting out of all of this.
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident. You should be aware that if for any reason you are found botting in the future we will not be reopening the account again. The reason you were all banned is due to the GM monitoring your actions and the appearance of being unresponsive when tested. When certain members of your party were kicked it took 2 minutes before anyone reacted. I have looked very closely to the chat of all involved and believe you were all present. This evidence was compelling to me.You guys were not banned because of any mass petitions nor where you unbanned because of them; Mass petitions do very little but delay any kind of reaction, good or negative. I simply felt something was missing from the evidence that was used to ban you and feel that you all deserve a second chance. Second chances are not something that happens for players who are believed to be botting, in fact it takes some very strong evidence to compel me to do so.We thank you for your patience with us during this time, we know its been frustrating and disheartening and I apologize. To help ease the pain I am enclosing a game time card good for 7 days. We wish you guys all the best.
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident. You should be aware that if for any reason you are found botting in the future we will not be reopening the account again. The reason you were all banned is due to the GM monitoring your actions and the appearance of being unresponsive when tested. When certain members of your party were kicked it took 2 minutes before anyone reacted. I have looked very closely to the chat of all involved and believe you were all present. This evidence was compelling to me.You guys were not banned because of any mass petitions nor where you unbanned because of them; Mass petitions do very little but delay any kind of reaction, good or negative. I simply felt something was missing from the evidence that was used to ban you and feel that you all deserve a second chance. Second chances are not something that happens for players who are believed to be botting, in fact it takes some very strong evidence to compel me to do so.We thank you for your patience with us during this time, we know its been frustrating and disheartening and I apologize. To help ease the pain I am enclosing a game time card good for 7 days. We wish you guys all the best.
Cheers,
GM Akahige
Something was missing? What is it? A confession? So the STRONG evidence that got these bots unbanned was the fact that it took 2 mins for these afk bots to react to GM while they were still able to target and kill mobs automatically during the whole 2 mins? Does it make any sense rly? And who cares (obviously GM Akahige didn't) if it's only one man controlling the whole bot group under walker as long as the GM is answered in 2 minutes, even by the auto answer script.
lol GM Akahige. Thanks for single handly ruinning the hard works of other GMs.
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident. You should be aware that if for any reason you are found botting in the future we will not be reopening the account again. The reason you were all banned is due to the GM monitoring your actions and the appearance of being unresponsive when tested. When certain members of your party were kicked it took 2 minutes before anyone reacted. I have looked very closely to the chat of all involved and believe you were all present. This evidence was compelling to me.You guys were not banned because of any mass petitions nor where you unbanned because of them; Mass petitions do very little but delay any kind of reaction, good or negative. I simply felt something was missing from the evidence that was used to ban you and feel that you all deserve a second chance. Second chances are not something that happens for players who are believed to be botting, in fact it takes some very strong evidence to compel me to do so.We thank you for your patience with us during this time, we know its been frustrating and disheartening and I apologize. To help ease the pain I am enclosing a game time card good for 7 days. We wish you guys all the best.
Cheers,
GM Akahige
Second Chances for lvl 85 bots on a 1 year old server...GF Akahige. Pls start playing l2 to get a clue~
At start i dont wanna judge Diabolic group from Luna . For me is ok they can play agine on Luna . But i wanna ask a question to NC Soft
1. They ban Diabolic group
2. After mass petition from frendly clans of this group , Nc soft make investigation .
3. Nc soft unban Diabloc group
So ? Diabolic group was innocent ? Ok . So they (NC Soft ) can be wrong in thousands of cases! too . So why not make new investigation for all banned accout from last 5 years ? DIabolic group have many friendly ppl who can make petition , but what with ppl how have small clans or play most of time alone ? Bigger can more ?
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident.
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Cheers,
GM Akahige
So it took two minutes for anybody in that party to react to party members being removed by the GM, but the chat log convinced the GM that all of them were there and playing live. How does that fit together? >.<
I guess in the future all a botter has to do is to automatically write "lol" "hehe" and so on in the party chat every minute or so to convince any GM who is watching that he is "there"...
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident. You should be aware that if for any reason you are found botting in the future we will not be reopening the account again. The reason you were all banned is due to the GM monitoring your actions and the appearance of being unresponsive when tested. When certain members of your party were kicked it took 2 minutes before anyone reacted. I have looked very closely to the chat of all involved and believe you were all present. This evidence was compelling to me.You guys were not banned because of any mass petitions nor where you unbanned because of them; Mass petitions do very little but delay any kind of reaction, good or negative. I simply felt something was missing from the evidence that was used to ban you and feel that you all deserve a second chance. Second chances are not something that happens for players who are believed to be botting, in fact it takes some very strong evidence to compel me to do so.We thank you for your patience with us during this time, we know its been frustrating and disheartening and I apologize. To help ease the pain I am enclosing a game time card good for 7 days. We wish you guys all the best.
Second Chances for lvl 85 bots on a 1 year old server...GF Akahige. Pls start playing l2 to get a clue~
Yes, it is silly. Being 85 on a NEW server (and of course also noble etc.) after 1 year is just not possible without botting. Just do the math, xp/hour you get at 81, 82, 83, 84 in a GOOD party and see how long it takes for 1%, 10%, 100% at, say, ten hours playing per day (which is already insane if you do it every day for one year). And of course getting to 78+ in the first place WITHOUT starting out totally pimped out and with 78+ buffpets (so no FoG etc. powerlvling), it's a new server after all. It just does not happen in a year.
Yes, it is silly. Being 85 on a NEW server (and of course also noble etc.) after 1 year is just not possible without botting. Just do the math, xp/hour you get at 81, 82, 83, 84 in a GOOD party and see how long it takes for 1%, 10%, 100% at, say, ten hours playing per day (which is already insane if you do it every day for one year). And of course getting to 78+ in the first place WITHOUT starting out totally pimped out and with 78+ buffpets (so no FoG etc. powerlvling), it's a new server after all. It just does not happen in a year.
There are such things as server transfers, which could very well be the case, or it may not.
Some time ago after i have reported some suspicious players i received this message:
"Thank you very much for your report.
We are doing our very best, with your help, to find and remove all bots we confirm. You may not see the effects of your report immediately, but we ask that you please be patient while we investigate and build a case against those you have reported. We are bound to the User Agreement just as every player is, and we must take the time to be absolutely sure that third party software is being used before terminating an account.
In addition to emailing us at support, you may also report suspected bots in-game by using the /gm command. Make sure to include the name of the suspected bot(s) along with any possible observations as to why you believe them to be using third party software.
Again, thank you for the report and keep them coming in! We appreciate all your efforts to make Lineage II the best game possible.
Thank You,
GM ***"
As we see words ("absolutely sure") have new meanings. Or maybe some ppl who bann "innocent" players are incompetent. But dont believe that they were innocent, for players on luna this is obviously.
Solution is simple, maybe its time to change game. But its sad that i have spended here 1 year for nothing, just to see that cheaters won.
the gm have to interact with the player before they banned the player. it's not " hey, he looks funny". banned !
no you're dead wrong there, gm's can be invisible and run checks for 3rd party software and when proven guilty just ban you.. ask your friend what reason was mentioned in the notification mail or just ask him in vent/msn if he did use one of those pvp progs cause if so GL in getting it undone.. or do it Luna style and have 40+ ppl petition NC Soft to unban him as that clearly works..
have zero sympathy for anyone who uses 3rd party progs to play this game, pve or pvp wise.. those who do should just quit and play counterstrike
1) This party is innocent and GMs make mistakes and ban people without a proof whatsoever (Bad news to all of us)....
2) This a bunch of botters and cheaters (top level), and NCosft doesnt like to lose money, and thats why they unbanned them, because those high level players are paying probably a lot $ and have 4-5 accounts each one, so better leave them than get rid of them.
I heard clearly from a GM that they tested them and found them guilty, now I heard they are unbanned???
So how can I value the word of a NCSoft staff when their actions contradict their policy and what they suppose to stand for.
I dont even know the people in Luna, and I dont even care to meet them, by what I see now, they may be innocents for all I care, now the problem here is the GM actions...
I think that GM is actually doing his job by looking at the detailed logs.
I don't know if they were really sophisticated bots with a chat script running, but I know I'll be happy to get a GM that is really that thorough when reviewing a ban.
only thing i can really do is laugh.
is ridiculous all this situation.they mass petition for like a year because they pretty much botted and only played live for epics/castles.
anyway i doubt they gonna play much longer.they gonna sell epics/toons and lol at ncsoft for unbanned them.
all my reniew faith in gm went to drain.i realy tough that gm policy had changed but i guess returned to same time.
I think that GM is actually doing his job by looking at the detailed logs.
I don't know if they were really sophisticated bots with a chat script running, but I know I'll be happy to get a GM that is really that thorough when reviewing a ban.
Yeah its good, but now we have a problem here, a GM tested them and ban them with a supposedly "proof".
Now they are unbanned, we are not talking about 1 person, we are talking about a full party, so the mistake was just not one time, but more than one time in the same exact moment....
Tell what that does mean to you? That a GM make a mistake by banning a full party, that means that they probably have make the same mistake in the past, and that doesn't sound good at all.
wow whats this hate toward other unknown forum users? immature?
pathetic.
Unknown? Ok. Pretty sure we have had quite a few responses together, and just your general Crybaby posts all the time, and how anything/everything better off than you is a Bot, lol.
Unknown? Ok. Pretty sure we have had quite a few responses together, and just your general Crybaby posts all the time, and how anything/everything better off than you is a Bot, lol.
don't blame me or whine if ur butthurt over my posts which i don't even care nor remember really.
I just loled... I knew that money rules the world, but not this much... Nice example Retail is giving to the players. No wonder why theres more players on privates than in Retail.
Funny thing is, back 2-3 years ago, when u were in a circle of friends, all talking about L2, if u say "I play in some XXXX private" then all was laughing at you with "hahah, lol privates? ****!" and after this, it will become like "hahaha lol retail? ****!!" :D
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident. You should be aware that if for any reason you are found botting in the future we will not be reopening the account again. The reason you were all banned is due to the GM monitoring your actions and the appearance of being unresponsive when tested. When certain members of your party were kicked it took 2 minutes before anyone reacted. I have looked very closely to the chat of all involved and believe you were all present. This evidence was compelling to me.You guys were not banned because of any mass petitions nor where you unbanned because of them; Mass petitions do very little but delay any kind of reaction, good or negative. I simply felt something was missing from the evidence that was used to ban you and feel that you all deserve a second chance. Second chances are not something that happens for players who are believed to be botting, in fact it takes some very strong evidence to compel me to do so.We thank you for your patience with us during this time, we know its been frustrating and disheartening and I apologize. To help ease the pain I am enclosing a game time card good for 7 days. We wish you guys all the best.
Cheers,
GM Akahige
Focus on red words , they are guilty but they have second chance !
So now ask yourself : what is probability if you get ban and take second chance ?
He popped up and said "Hi" and they didn't respond? So their all bots? I do this all the time cause I have the chat window on alliance and can't see general chat
He kicked a member of the party and they still assisted the group? Easily done with a assist hotkey. If they constantly group with each other all the time is it so hard to imagine they have the same MA all the time and all have hotkeys to assist billybob?
How many 80+ parties do you see in FoG acting like robots? The GM said he suspected them of being bots because they act like bots, not because they were bots.
Instead of jumping to conclusions maybe we should wait to actually hear from a GM.
I was stunned and shocked by this action of GM`s.
Personally I decide to leave this game today.
It was nice and cool to play since open beta, I had lot of fun.
But this is really sad. This mean: As long as you hight lvl and factor it is okey to bot, and no way me, or anybody who think same as me, will stay in this DOOMED game and ROTTEN community. I am not an enemy to Diabolic group, they cool guys ect, but they BOT and CHEAT, and they got cough, and for the best to all they should been stayed banned.
This morning login in to game, I seen them in Hero shout, shouting on russian all kinds of trashtalk about how mutch they pown, keeping up they God`s attitude... Even Diabolic`s title literally says: T WILL SUCK... Disgusting... I had free day today and planned to play and craft some stuff... But I just press on log off, and I think I did it last time, also for the best.
I know that lot of people support me, but guess what, those kind of player will not go and make huge dramma petitions to gm`s, this players will not sit in aden for a week, this kind of players is mature and they tread game as a game, and they will not go and post all kinds of lie on forums, they will just leave... case there`s nothing to look forward too... absolutly nothing...
Resting my case.
GL ans HF everybody.
To all my friends from Teon and Luna - I will never forget you <3
He popped up and said "Hi" and they didn't respond? So their all bots? I do this all the time cause I have the chat window on alliance and can't see general chat
He kicked a member of the party and they still assisted the group? Easily done with a assist hotkey. If they constantly group with each other all the time is it so hard to imagine they have the same MA all the time and all have hotkeys to assist billybob?
How many 80+ parties do you see in FoG acting like robots? The GM said he suspected them of being bots because they act like bots, not because they were bots.
Instead of jumping to conclusions maybe we should wait to actually hear from a GM.
A GM make an statement here, that by now we all should know when somebody is botting or not, and that you could be banned by grouping with a bot party, I remembered well that statement, also that they follow a sequence of steps to ban somebody, a policy. How can I believe that statement when A FULL PARTY THAT WAS BANNED BY A GM, IS UNBANNED, BECAUSE CLEARLY EVEN THE GM WITH MORE TOOLS THAN US HAVE A HARD TIME TO DETECT IF SOMEBODY IS BOTTING OR NOT...
Now you are telling me that the whole method to ban somebody a GM is using is broken doesnt work at all and is full of fail...
Because is clearly thats what its happening.
I am quitting the game right now, unless I receive a good answer about this, and asking my friends and clans to do the same, why play legit, when cheaters get a second chance... no just NO.
This morning login in to game, I seen them in Hero shout, shouting on russian all kinds of trashtalk about how mutch they pown, keeping up they God`s attitude... Even Diabolic`s title literally says: T WILL SUCK... Disgusting...
how sad to see one GM - GM Akahige single handly brought shame to NC and the whole L2 community.
Initially I tought it was a 1st April Fools, but I remembered that we are on April 9. Sadly.
Its true, I just log in with my newbie toon in Luna server, and I clearly heard these heroes that got banned are unbanned now, talking trash and about how superior they are, they probably laughing at NCSoft and us right now...
Its true, I just log in with my newbie toon in Luna server, and I clearly heard these heroes that got banned are unbanned now, talking trash and about how superior they are, they probably laughing at NCSoft and us right now...
...
I think mostly they are laughing at GM Akahige. pwnd.
Time to de-activate all my accounts and ensure I take as many friends as possible to join me in some kind of new game. It's ******ed that they got unbanned.
The players themselves are very nice people, aside from the god-syndrom, thinking they own so hard, just cause they can run a bottrain properly in HellBound. And several times I've agreed that an unban would be better for the Luna situation. Not for the Lineage situation however, due to the fact other botters/players are not getting (un)banned.
I dont mind them botting, I dont even mind them acting like a bunch of uber-gods, trashtalking. But what I do mind is that for them it's possible to bot to lvl 85 and overenchant skills to +15 and +19 etc. While others are also trying to play (AND BOT!) but get banned (AND STAY BANNED!!!).
If it's generally accepted to bot, then no problem. I understand the GM's decision, because lineage servers would be empty completely without the use of them (sadly over the years this is how the game ended up due to the non-banning policy and general acceptance of farmers). But then they should just patch a bot-program inside lineage 2 in the next update and give all a fair chance to reach the same.
But using bot, means taking a risk to get an advantage on others around you. Giving you exp, while others can not (due to work/sleep or whatever). This advantage has a disadvantage and it's called: Banhammer. People accept this risk and go for the "all-or-nothing"-road. Also no problem. It's a choice.
This party made their choice and very smoothly managed to bot up their full party to lvl 85 (and some stayed 83~84 due to enchanting of skills) and they got banned. No problem, right? Except they got an unban due to lack of proof? What lack of proof? Get a russian translator and read hero-shout every now and then, where they openly admit to losing pvp's at night, cause there's only 1 person controlling the train. Not to mention that tactics on how to setup the bot properly were discussed in clan/ally/private-chat.
If the unban stays, I'm expecting a patchnote releasing botclients soon. Or a change in the EULA that states botting is allowed, or allowed if you can get an ## amount of players vouching for you.
Dear NCSoft (USA). You have failed hard.
And I officially wanna take this moment to LOL @ the complete NCSoft staff for not showing any backbone at all. I mean seriously, handing out timecards even? To enforce your stupidness a bit more? Get real.
A GM make an statement here, that by now we all should know when somebody is botting or not, and that you could be banned by grouping with a bot party, I remembered well that statement, also that they follow a sequence of steps to ban somebody, a policy. How can I believe that statement when A FULL PARTY THAT WAS BANNED BY A GM, IS UNBANNED, BECAUSE CLEARLY EVEN THE GM WITH MORE TOOLS THAN US HAVE A HARD TIME TO DETECT IF SOMEBODY IS BOTTING OR NOT...
Now you are telling me that the whole method to ban somebody a GM is using is broken doesnt work at all and is full of fail...
Because is clearly thats what its happening.
I am quitting the game right now, unless I receive a good answer about this, and asking my friends and clans to do the same, why play legit, when cheaters get a second chance... no just NO.
I've read the other thread about this group and like that thread there is no proof OTHER then a GM saying HE SUSPECTS THEM of botting. Suspecting someone of illegal actions is NOT PROOF of doing it.
So far this thread just looks like a medieval witch hunt..people shouting with no proof...not even a single shred of it.
Here's the proof so far....
They are level 80+
They are on a server that's only a year old
They act like every other level 80+ group...like robots
I've read the other thread about this group and like that thread there is no proof OTHER then a GM saying HE SUSPECTS THEM of botting. Suspecting someone of illegal actions is NOT PROOF of doing it.
So far this thread just looks like a medieval witch hunt..people shouting with no proof...not even a single shred of it.
Here's the proof so far....
They are level 80+
They are on a server that's only a year old
They act like every other level 80+ group...like robots
This is not solid evidence by any means.
I dont have a problem with these people who got banned, my problem is related to statements about a GM here in this forum, which I am referring to.
A GM said they banned people with proof, then ban a full party because of that, and now you are telling me the GM didnt have a proof to begin with it? And at the same time expect us to believe that we can do a better job than them, otherwise we may get ban by partying with bots...
If a GM suspect somebody is boting, he MUST TESTED THEM BEFORE TAKING ANY ACTION, which clearly NCSoft is failing at do it, based on the fact they either making mistakes or giving second chances to cheaters.
They are level 80+
They are on a server that's only a year old
They act like every other level 80+ group...like robots
This is not solid evidence by any means.
They openly admit they bot.
They are well known bots.
They were caught botting by players.
Players petitioned.
The GM who investigated them in action in game found them botting.
They were banned.
One lawl GM who only read some off game logs ignored all petitions against them in the past (probably tens of thousands) and single handly decided they were not botting.
They are unbanned.
They are now trash talking how godly they are that they can bot and no one can stop them on hero shout.
They openly admit they bot.
They are well known bots.
They were caught botting by players.
Players petitioned.
The GM who investigated them in action in game found them botting.
They were banned.
One lawl GM who only read some off game logs ignored all petitions against them in the past (probably tens of thousands) and single handly decided they were not botting.
They are unbanned.
They are now trash talking how godly they are that they can bot and no one can stop them on hero shout.
it takes 2 bill exp to get to 79 and almost 20 bil exp to get to 85 (according to l2wh). I seriously believe any one who is 85 right now on any server is a bot with or with out prof but heck i am just some random dumy:o
it takes 2 bill exp to get to 79 and almost 20 bil exp to get to 85 (according to l2wh). I seriously believe any one who is 85 right now on any server is a bot with or with out prof but heck i am just some random dumy:o
They openly admit they bot.
They are well known bots.
They were caught botting by players.
Players petitioned.
The GM who investigated them in action in game found them botting.
They were banned.
One lawl GM who only read some off game logs ignored all petitions against them in the past (probably tens of thousands) and single handly decided they were not botting.
They are unbanned.
They are now trash talking how godly they are that they can bot and no one can stop them on hero shout.
solid enough?
No...
1. Show me screenshots of them admitting to botting. Come to Phoenix I bot as well, I'm in Varka...does that make me one?
2. Well known by who? Their enemies?
3. I am certain I have been petitioned as well, doesn't make me a bot.
4. In game testing is LOL at best. "Hi".....no answer he must be a bot
5. You can petition the same person 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times does that make them what you call them?
No...
1. Show me screenshots of them admitting to botting. Come to Phoenix I bot as well, I'm in Varka...does that make me one?
2. Well known by who? Their enemies?
3. I am certain I have been petitioned as well, doesn't make me a bot.
4. In game testing is LOL at best. "Hi".....no answer he must be a bot
5. You can petition the same person 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times does that make them what you call them?
yeah then no one's a bot in your world. wonderful.
yeah then no one's a bot in your world. wonderful.
Did I say that? I'm only talking about this group of people, not the guy named dgjbgg001x in Varka. Seriously that "evidence" is weak at best of them being bots, and the methods NC Soft use to "test" a suspected player is a massive failure.
Claiming to do something isn't 100% guilt. Look at real life and how many people have claimed to do this or that and it's just not true.
Clearly the GM that unbanned them wasn't satisfied with the "evidence" he had of them and unbanned them. NO ONE on these forums can actually PROVE they are bots and the couple of quotes by GM's are nothing more then "SUSPECT". Suspect is not proof.
What they were doing is called attended botting. This is used by the adena sellers. They are botting on several groups at one time, on several computers, on multiple servers.... and check them periodically, on a very regular basis. As soon as they notice something is up they start to talk.
I noticed this around Goddard. Someone was in my regular exp spot. So i watched him for awhile and he was botting imo. So i played "Bot Pong"...dble clicking his intended mobs...of course he does a 180 everytime i click....i do this for awhile cause i don't wanna killsteal a real player and for sure he is botting. So i exp and killsteal away..about 3-5 minutes later he says "hi can i get buffs". I accuse him of botting and he says ..."i don't bot its just that you didn't bother me"...lol.
The one thing is at least the botters that were allowed back due to that GM will be able to transfer all the gear off those accounts...could be worth thousands to them.
All and all NC is showing us how to play the game...as it was intended...i take my hat off to them...good job guys...keep it up...you are a wonderfull advertisement for what the players can expect in Aion.
Focus on red words , they are guilty but they have second chance !
So now ask yourself : what is probability if you get ban and take second chance ?
hahaha omg I am laughing so hard right now... focus on the red words they are guilty and got a second chance. How about I remake your quote and focus on the red words now.
Hello, First and foremost we have reopened all the accounts involved in this incident. You should be aware that if for any reason you are found botting in the future we will not be reopening the account again. The reason you were all banned is due to the GM monitoring your actions and the appearance of being unresponsive when tested. When certain members of your party were kicked it took 2 minutes before anyone reacted. I have looked very closely to the chat of all involved and believe you were all present. This evidence was compelling to me.You guys were not banned because of any mass petitions nor where you unbanned because of them; Mass petitions do very little but delay any kind of reaction, good or negative. I simply felt something was missing from the evidence that was used to ban you and feel that you all deserve a second chance. Second chances are not something that happens for players who are believed to be botting , in fact it takes some very strong evidence to compel me to do so.We thank you for your patience with us during this time, we know its been frustrating and disheartening and I apologize. To help ease the pain I am enclosing a game time card good for 7 days. We wish you guys all the best.
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Let meknow when Naeadil becomes a GM. I will start botting then.
LOL now your making childish remarks and still have yet to show any proof of it.
Fact is there is no proof other then hear say so far.
There's only 1 opinion that matters on this topic and that's the GM's...anything a player says here is hear say about their actions and not proof. Without being able to actually look at the server logs that NC Soft has, nothing we say will make them bots or legit and as far as I know Antibot your not a GM.
So like I said this is just a witch hunt and we shouldn't jump to conclusions before we hear from a GM on this topic.
A GM make an statement here, that by now we all should know when somebody is botting or not, and that you could be banned by grouping with a bot party, I remembered well that statement, also that they follow a sequence of steps to ban somebody, a policy. How can I believe that statement when A FULL PARTY THAT WAS BANNED BY A GM, IS UNBANNED, BECAUSE CLEARLY EVEN THE GM WITH MORE TOOLS THAN US HAVE A HARD TIME TO DETECT IF SOMEBODY IS BOTTING OR NOT...
Now you are telling me that the whole method to ban somebody a GM is using is broken doesnt work at all and is full of fail...
Because is clearly thats what its happening.
I am quitting the game right now, unless I receive a good answer about this, and asking my friends and clans to do the same, why play legit, when cheaters get a second chance... no just NO.
It's called "Selective Banning" and like i said in a previous post. Those guys got their accounts back...the accounts i'm sure are all stripped....won't matter if they get banned again. I would imagine though that alot of the people that complained were the same individuals that got banned only on different accounts. There are rumors that some of the Pro Farmers have hundreds of accounts...the Adena business is big big money i guess.
I can assure you they were botting. And the GM's ofcourse can also, cause otherwise they wouldnt just randomly ban.
The GM's just didnt expect so many petitions and realized they had to safe face and quickly unban and hand our presents to make it all go away faster.
Anyone claiming they were legit is a blind stupid idiot who's completely clueless and ignorant. And like i said before: I dont care if they botted, it's their choice. But the choice comes with a risk for everybody (bans). Except if you get enough petitions and if you're a "Factor" on the server.
New EULA rule: It's ok to bot, as long as you're factor. Nonfacters get insta-ban tho, so watch out if you're clanless.
I am the GM who ran the original investigation on your group. All of your characters acted in a manner consistent with third party software use. As a matter of fact I can not conceive of any other reasonable explanation for the evidence I found. Your account will not be released.
At this time we must also respectfully inform you that any further questions regarding the account termination may be closed without response, as we feel that this matter has been attended to and addressed appropriately to fully inform you of the situation.
Wooooooow.
THis is some serious ****. How the hell, the GM even admitted they was caught botting, yet they get unbanned?
Whats with the Announcements, the eula etc, is all that hipocricy or what?
Really, this ****** me off bigtime, if they let these guys slip, next time they do bans like this, their party will just hire a lawyer and make them unbanned again, cus they already unbanned once.
LOL now your making childish remarks and still have yet to show any proof of it.
Fact is there is no proof other then hear say so far.
i was rather serious. childish remarks were, i quote,
No...
Come to Phoenix I bot as well, I'm in Varka...does that make me one?
In game testing is LOL at best. "Hi".....no answer he must be a bot
5. You can petition the same person 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times does that make them what you call them?
the proofs all there but if you think it's fun to argue for arguments sake then by all means, continue.
Here is the short story. The group you were all concerned about had their accounts closed for botting. Their support tickets and only their support tickets were reviewed. (Mass petitions do absolutely nothing as they are closed at our first tier of support. We do not even see them.) The only tickets we deal with are those of the account owner.
We review all tickets where customers (or ex-customers) claim we made a mistake. In this case the issue was reviewed and all of the evidence we needed was not present for the review. Since the missing evidence was not recorded and could only be recalled verbally we had no choice but to release the accounts.
Please don’t think that these guys “got away with something.” If they are truly innocent they will be on the straight and narrow for now on. If they are cheaters, they will think they are invincible and will be caught more easily the next time.
We have a lot of checks and balances in place to make sure we do not hurt real customers. Sometimes the bad guys game our system so they can get away. But believe me it never happens twice.
I am the GM who ran the original investigation on your group. All of your characters acted in a manner consistent with third party software use. As a matter of fact I can not conceive of any other reasonable explanation for the evidence I found. Your account will not be released.
At this time we must also respectfully inform you that any further questions regarding the account termination may be closed without response, as we feel that this matter has been attended to and addressed appropriately to fully inform you of the situation.
Regards,
GM DrSabre
So GM DrSabre's findings were overruled by GM Akahige because the bots could talk?
So basicly GM Akahige is telling us that it's ok to use 3rd party bot programs as long as you are live (or scripted to say "hihi" and "hehe" etc)?
Since the missing evidence was not recorded and could only be recalled verbally we had no choice but to release the accounts.
So you can get away with using 3rd party bot programs as long as u type (or script'd to type) hehe and haha from time to time? (verbal record = chat logs)
So you can get away with using 3rd party bot programs as long as u type (or script'd to type) hehe and haha from time to time? (verbal record = chat logs)
wow. just wow.
No... that is not what I said. Let me make my own story so more words are not put into my mouth.
GM review: "I need evidence 'X.' Can I see it?"
GM Ban: "Oh I saw them do that. But it was not recorded in my ban note."
GM review: "Ok find me more evidence to keep them banned then."
GM Ban: "Ok, but the way these other 'secondary' logs seem to be legit."
GM review: "We have to let them go until we find the evidence we need."
GM Ban: "That sucks!"
GM review: "Sure does suck. Catch them next time."
Here is the short story. The group you were all concerned about had their accounts closed for botting. Their support tickets and only their support tickets were reviewed. (Mass petitions do absolutely nothing as they are closed at our first tier of support. We do not even see them.) The only tickets we deal with are those of the account owner.
We review all tickets where customers (or ex-customers) claim we made a mistake. In this case the issue was reviewed and all of the evidence we needed was not present for the review. Since the missing evidence was not recorded and could only be recalled verbally we had no choice but to release the accounts.
Please don’t think that these guys “got away with something.” If they are truly innocent they will be on the straight and narrow for now on. If they are cheaters, they will think they are invincible and will be caught more easily the next time.
We have a lot of checks and balances in place to make sure we do not hurt real customers. Sometimes the bad guys game our system so they can get away. But believe me it never happens twice.
If they are cheaters, they will be caught next time. Do you seriously think they need to bot anymore? They all botted to 84~85 long time ago with all skills heavily overenchanted to +15 and more. They're good with these accounts for at least 2 more chronicles. Because you let them. And I dont mind, let them be, their choice. But then give everybody else the same rights and let them bot to lvl 85 aswell, then at least it would be fair to the rest.
Your GM-checks on bots hold no value at all. Nor does your EULA. You made a joke of yourself and your game. And dont tell me the only way for you to detect a bot is based on chatlogs. Any idiot can detect a bot. And dont tell me you ignored masspetitions, cause many friends of mine got banhammered while being IN TOWN AND TALKING. Just cause they were logged on a bot-client. Oh and if you're checking logs anyway. How many nights are there on the log, where their chars were online for weeks on end without relog, while making exp, and not saying 1 word during the night? Who are you trying to fool with "bot-detection-tactics" from GM's. You care about $$$$ and figured with the amount of masspetitions it wouldnt be in your best interest to keep them banned. (Unsatisfied bots that will stop play-and-pay = bad for business, ah?)
You guys should be happy for Spam's reply. It just shows that just because you get reported/petitioned they won't unfairly ban you because fact is that they are not solid proof of illegal actions.
They didn't have 100% proof to ban them (in the records) and they did the right thing by over turning the ruling. Now if they are bots and deserve the ban, they will slip up and get hit again and we know that they will be watched.
No... that is not what I said. Let me make my own story so more words are not put into my mouth.
GM review: "I need evidence 'X.' Can I see it?"
GM Ban: "Oh I saw them do that. But it was not recorded in my ban note."
GM review: "Ok find me more evidence to keep them banned then."
GM Ban: "Ok, but the way these other 'secondary' logs seem to be legit."
GM review: "We have to let them go until we find the evidence we need."
GM Ban: "That sucks!"
GM review: "Sure does suck. Catch them next time."
Let me edit this for you a bit more close to the truth:
GM Ban: lol i pwned a 85 botgroup
GM review: gf, haha, we only had to ban 9, and we scared all server. very cost-effective
GM Ban: ye, let's from now on only check hero's, it's smart! (got a screen of GM stating they doing specific checks on heroes from now on, in case you wonder)
GM review: hmm, lot of people objecting to the ban
GM Ban: ye, i see, people petitioning and threatening to leave game
GM review: ye, we better come up with something, cause we're losing customers
GM Ban: ok, let's just say I didnt have the right evidence, I'll look like an idiot, but at least we'll keep our customers
GM review: ok, let's unban, hand out some timecards to keep them happy and start banning some random other people fast, to show we still care. Everybody happy! (a full party of enemy from Silent & co got banned last night, just for your info)
GMSpam: ok I'll lie to the people on the forum about it, and give them false hopes. It's my job anyway.
Let me edit this for you a bit more close to the truth:
GM Ban: lol i pwned a 85 botgroup
GM review: gf, haha, we only had to ban 9, and we scared all server. very cost-effective
GM Ban: ye, let's from now on only check hero's, it's smart! (got a screen of GM stating they doing specific checks on heroes from now on, in case you wonder)
GM review: hmm, lot of people objecting to the ban
GM Ban: ye, i see, people petitioning and threatening to leave game
GM review: ye, we better come up with something, cause we're losing customers
GM Ban: ok, let's just say I didnt have the right evidence, I'll look like an idiot, but at least we'll keep our customers
GM review: ok, let's unban, hand out some timecards to keep them happy and start banning some random other people fast, to show we still care. Everybody happy! (a full party of enemy from Silent & co got banned last night, just for your info)
GMSpam: ok I'll lie to the people on the forum about it, and give them false hopes. It's my job anyway.
hehe and you got this info from? arf gonna stop posting on theses forums for a while even me are get tired of all the complaining.
Here is the short story. The group you were all concerned about had their accounts closed for botting. Their support tickets and only their support tickets were reviewed. (Mass petitions do absolutely nothing as they are closed at our first tier of support. We do not even see them.) The only tickets we deal with are those of the account owner.
We review all tickets where customers (or ex-customers) claim we made a mistake. In this case the issue was reviewed and all of the evidence we needed was not present for the review. Since the missing evidence was not recorded and could only be recalled verbally we had no choice but to release the accounts.
Please don’t think that these guys “got away with something.” If they are truly innocent they will be on the straight and narrow for now on. If they are cheaters, they will think they are invincible and will be caught more easily the next time.
We have a lot of checks and balances in place to make sure we do not hurt real customers. Sometimes the bad guys game our system so they can get away. But believe me it never happens twice.
The one person that does not cheat. Because they will hopfully bring their non-cheating friends.
So why you support cheters , and no any random but best botters on Luna server .