GMs going too far

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Dear NCsoft team

This letter speaks for the live group of players recently banned who’s names will be
mentioned ahead. They’r individual attempts to clear this situation were refuted by a
system of automatised answers and some misunderstandings occurred hence we will now with
your help try to clear all grounds.
Over 1 month ago this group of nine players saw they’r accounts terminated (while playing)
based on an accusation of violating the User Agreement and/or Rules of Conduct by engaging in
the use of an unauthorized third party program. Our stand is we don’t believe to have broken
the EULA in any way since we haven’t used any mentioned “third party program”.
Regardless of who is right we, as customers, have our rights which are protected under the
customer protection of US law (where NCsoft operates the service we purchased) so we are
demanding what is rightfully ours:

A)Date when the claimed observation of such program took place (day and hour)
B)Who from your staff took note of such activity (GM\GM’s names)
C)How was the claimed activity checked\proven (GM didn’t show himself or engaged on any
type of dialogue)

We will prosecute this to the end be it:

-Proof of what’s accused
-Acceptance of the lack of it and posterior removal of the charges
-A response lacking any of these

In case the last line takes place we ask for the legal contact in where to reach you.
The better business bureau encouraged us to try and resolve this matter directly with you
before taking further action so we wrote this letter.
Regards,

redcap
Whitesnake
reezik
WhisperN2
Falcon000
LordHades
Colorado
WhiteMomma
FiaR


and even wrost : a BOT GROUP lvl 85 in Luna got unbanned recently because everyone petitioned to unban them.
I feel sorry that NCsoft doesnt answer our emails anymore so I had to post on forum so they maybe get a position about it.
Regardless of who is right we, as customers, have our rights which are protected under the
customer protection of US law (where NCsoft operates the service we purchased) so we are
demanding what is rightfully ours[...]

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only because you are a fail in the game and didnt dedicated to have awsome toons like we did,shut the hell up aiight ?

No ... there's just no such thing as "customer protection of US law". You 're trying too hard to sound like a lawyer that's what the other guy is making fun of
You 're trying too hard to sound like a lawyer that's what the other guy is making fun of

+1
Here we go again....
No ... there's just no such thing as "customer protection of US law". You 're trying too hard to sound like a lawyer that's what the other guy is making fun of
ofc there is.
the problem is that GMs now are banning whoever gets mass petitioned by that new report button.
my friend got banned because she used blessing of eva on enemy's antharas (she had salvation up ofc)
so you see,I got scammed already by a guy who said was my friend and he took all my gears and NCsoft never did anything about it (ofc I reported).
If they have no consideration with theyr costumers Im afraid they trying to kill the game.
I found your rant to be highly amusing. I have to say tho, my 2 year old did a better job stomping his feet and screaming at the top of his lungs. Maybe you should try throwing yourself on the floor and pounding the linoleum while screaming "I waaaant it! I waaant it!" It didn't work for him, but NCSoft has proven to be softies in the past, who knows...

Oh, and there are no consumer protections for users of digital assets, btw. They never belonged to you in the first place.
No ... there's just no such thing as "customer protection of US law". You 're trying too hard to sound like a lawyer that's what the other guy is making fun of

That and since when you log into the game you agree to the eula which probably states that they have the right to terminate your account at any time (I cant quite it because the eula link on the site does not work...) they can basically ban you because they got bored and not suffer any ramifications tbh.
so you see,I got scammed already by a guy who said was my friend and he took all my gears and NCsoft never did anything about it (ofc I reported).


Uh... that's called ACCOUNT SHARING (another bannable offense).

Why don't you just admit you use drugs and tell the FBI your friend stole your cocaine that you'd planned to sell to elementary school kids?
ofc there is.


No there's not ... there may be consumer protection legislation, fair trade standards, tort, a bunch of things the FTC can help you with, there's no customer protection US law though.

PS their ... not theyr certainly not they'r. At least make the effort to appear official like ;)
Im sorry sounds like you spent alot of real life cash and upset you got banned for bottting :P

Only way NCsoft bans people unfairly is when you get in the way of farmers and they petition you with all their accounts and claim make false claims which honest to god NCsoft will ban your account with no proof
Im sorry sounds like you spent alot of real life cash and upset you got banned for bottting :P

Only way NCsoft bans people unfairly is when you get in the way of farmers and they petition you with all their accounts and claim make false claims which honest to god NCsoft will ban your account with no proof

Not true... there were some farmers that were constantly getting their trains pked on Devianne.. and I never got banned.

This party was unlucky...OR.. someone in the party was using a 3rd party software.. and that's all it takes.. 1 rotten apple damages the whole lot.

Yes, people do get banned for Sniffer(both of them) and for being in party with a bot.
Im sorry sounds like you spent alot of real life cash and upset you got banned for bottting :P

Only way NCsoft bans people unfairly is when you get in the way of farmers and they petition you with all their accounts and claim make false claims which honest to god NCsoft will ban your account with no proof

well,the only money I spent in l2 was for change name and transfer to Luna and ofc pay for my GTC.
we got mass petitioned by our wartags and now we are banned.
we were all 79-80,If we were bots we'd be 83 by now.
since we were a big grp we could go all places as MoS,Pagans and HB (on green spot and juniors)
Which clan ?
Yes, people do get banned for Sniffer(both of them) and for being in party with a bot.
about sniffer not sure lol
I was in redsky(teon) for a while and 98% of clan members uses sniffer and NEVER got banned for sniffer.
Ppl make PvP videos using sniffer also and never been punished..
about sniffer not sure lol
I was in redsky(teon) for a while and 98% of clan members uses sniffer and NEVER got banned for sniffer.
Ppl make PvP videos using sniffer also and never been punished..

Well.. then if you're not sure... all your rant collapses.
Well.. then if you're not sure... all your rant collapses.

he meant he's not sure people get banned for using a sniffer, target bot, call it whatever you want.
TBH I agree, most people with radars/sniffers don't get in trouble unless they are idiots and use hide or something
I meant I've never seen anyone getting banned for sniffer


anyway,If some ppl in the forum are only interesting in flooding or be against a PvP grp works properly,please I ask you to leave.
I do not care if you are carebear lvl 56 an that still xps in Execution Grounds and only saw Places like HB/MoS/Pagens in print screens.
This is a serious thread about a grp wich suffered terrible unjustice and trying to fix things before its too late.
Now if you all butthurts just get over and get a life.
If the bots have a large network of accounts yes it does happen, over the years it's happened mutiple times, I'm guessing ones that work for the larger companies that sell game currency.

GM's can't even tell who is a bot on the game im glad you have so much faith in them

that they would ban people with sniffers or being in parties with bots lol
Perma ban all cheaters.

- The GMs had sufficient proof to ban
- The cheaters are unwilling to admit they cheated
- The cheaters think others got unbanned after they whined enough, so they will try whining, too

Sorry, not a bit of sympathy from me.
only because you are a fail in the game and didnt dedicated to have awsome toons like we did,shut the hell up aiight ?
Seriously...

Fail more and get banned more?

79-80 characters aren't awesome toons. What else did you buy that made the toons so awesome?

This person is fail in the game, while you can't even log your main into the game...

I'm sure you have a replacement coming up through the factory, though...
If the bots have a large network of accounts yes it does happen, over the years it's happened mutiple times, I'm guessing ones that work for the larger companies that sell game currency.

GM's can't even tell who is a bot on the game im glad you have so much faith in them

that they would ban people with sniffers or being in parties with bots lol
Well I do belive they can tell whos botting yes,and they select some ppl to ban so they say theyr doing theyr job
I always chosed to play legitly and when I was on my lowbie in Luna heard that a legit grp needed a EE I told then I was a EE and in the next week I went Luna.
Personaly I have nothing against bots,they make the B/A/S sets and weapons so its easyer to players like mostly on this forum buy it for acessible prices.
My group and I enjoy playing our classes and our toons so we have no need for botting.
There are some companies that sells adenas and Items , they r the ones who should be hunted.
Well I do belive they can tell whos botting yes,and they select some ppl to ban so they say theyr doing theyr job
I always chosed to play legitly and when I was on my lowbie in Luna heard that a legit grp needed a EE I told then I was a EE and in the next week I went Luna.
Personaly I have nothing against bots,they make the B/A/S sets and weapons so its easyer to players like mostly on this forum buy it for acessible prices.
My group and I enjoy playing our classes and our toons so we have no need for botting.
There are some companies that sells adenas and Items , they r the ones who should be hunted.

TOO MANY PEOPLE LATELY ARE COMING OUT AND SAYING THEY WERE "LEGIT" AFTER THEY'VE BEEN BANNED.

SINCE THE DIABOLIC GROUP FIASCO WE SEE A POST EVERY DAY OF SOMEONE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ARE LEGIT AND THE GMS BANNED THEM UNFAIRLY.

We didn't see any of this in any of the mass bans before. Maybe 5 times a year (and that's not often at all) you'd hear of people saying they were unfairly banned. Most botters just started over like always.

I don't understand how NCSoft can have such a low "legit ban rate" and all-of-a-sudden 50% of the characters they ban become legits that are unfairly banned. It's getting annoying.

They should ban the forum accounts of botters like you who come here to cry about it, claiming to be legit - instantly (and the game accounts that those forum accounts belong to, also).

There is more important stuff to worry about, like thier support sight which is timing out on most people...

People register on the forums now JUST SO they can cry about being banned. How lawl...
Perma ban all cheaters.

- The GMs had sufficient proof to ban
- The cheaters are unwilling to admit they cheated
- The cheaters think others got unbanned after they whined enough, so they will try whining, too

Sorry, not a bit of sympathy from me.
Once again,butthurt tards are not welcome at my thread.
I dont have to tell again I was no bot cuz I know I aint aiight ?
Now one question : do you know me or my group?
'so if you answer its "no",we dont need your stupid opinions about something you dont even know.
Now please go lvl your lvl 19 toons and when you get 20 Ill buy you common D grade okay ?
I don't get the randomness of bannings, I mean you can petition the same farmer groups for weeks and GM's will say well it takes of alot of investigation, we have a hard time telling who is a bot ect.

Yet they sit there forever, also many clans have small armies of 83 characters in full dynasty.

I dunno this just made me think why are the bannings so random, when people bot in popular spots in the open and get away with it daily
Seriously...

Fail more and get banned more?

79-80 characters aren't awesome toons. What else did you buy that made the toons so awesome?

This person is fail in the game, while you can't even log your main into the game...

I'm sure you have a replacement coming up through the factory, though...
LOL
so if epic boss jews,almost full s80 sets and everyone S grade with full elements on gears its not awsome I dont know what it is..for legits yes I think its awsome.I enjoyed ALOT playing with those guys and we still in touch on msn.
For legits we were pretty good.

btw what lvl your necro ?
If you have problems call them thats why i did when need and i got all explained and clarified...

Just your list is 2many players imo for something done by mistake...
I don't get the randomness of bannings, I mean you can petition the same farmer groups for weeks and GM's will say well it takes of alot of investigation, we have a hard time telling who is a bot ect.

Yet they sit there forever, also many clans have small armies of 83 characters in full dynasty.

I dunno this just made me think why are the bannings so random, when people bot in popular spots in the open and get away with it daily
exacly LOL
Ive never petitioned anyone tbh,only once someone acused me in game for ebaying,then I did.
eBayer

and those toons you listed still aren't awesome. There are some awesome toons in the game, but those aren't...

This has nothing to do with my toon, you're the one who said your banned 79/80 toons were awesome :P
yes they r awsome
awsome skills enchanted (quite lucky tbh) and I feel sorry that you dont have an awsome toon =/
mb l2 isnt your game at all
yes they r awsome
awsome skills enchanted (quite lucky tbh) and I feel sorry that you dont have an awsome toon =/
mb l2 isnt your game at all

Stop crying. They're not awesome.
Stop crying. They're not awesome.
hows your toon?
Which one?
Lets change it to "who has awesome toon" thread.
I think I have awesome toon. More awesome than WhiteMomma.
Grunf! No it's not! You can't even kill the Support Unit Captain in a decent amount of time!

:P
Lets change it to "who has awesome toon" thread.
I think I have awesome toon. More awesome than WhiteMomma.
Yes you do..
and yes I like the way you play

regards ,Bebel (my sister used to play with you guys in teon)
Which one?
the best one..
Yes you do..
and yes I like the way you play

regards ,Bebel (my sister used to play with you guys in teon)

i remember her :)
i remember her :)

yeah..sometimes it was me (mostly on pvps),she sucks in pvp so I went to help her sometimes.and I remember you playing.Best PP evur
What's the difference between this group of players and Diabolic's group of players? Nothing really, so I vote to unban this group too.

Hell, Diabolic's group of known botters got unbanned, this group of unknowns should be unbanned
What's the difference between this group of players and Diabolic's group of players? Nothing really, so I vote to unban this group too.

Hell, Diabolic's group of known botters got unbanned, this group of unknowns should be unbanned
well lol EVEN if we used to bot it doesnt matter..if diabolic got unbanned why wouldnt we get unbanned since we REALLY are legits
The truth is out there *X-Files theme dinging*.....
Can you read english? CONSUMER protection ... not CUSTOMER protection.

Don't try and play smart when you fail at reading comprehension 101 ;)


ur getting too serious about this
I meant I've never seen anyone getting banned for sniffer


anyway,If some ppl in the forum are against a PvP grp works properly,please I ask you to leave.

So you need 3rd party programs to PvP properly? Sounds like its YOU that should learn how to play...o wait you cant cause you got banned for cheating...
LOL
so if epic boss jews,almost full s80 sets and everyone S grade with full elements on gears its not awsome I dont know what it is..for legits yes I think its awsome.I enjoyed ALOT playing with those guys and we still in touch on msn.
For legits we were pretty good.

btw what lvl your necro ?

Lets see epic boss jewels plural meaning more then one.
almost full s80 sets
everyone S grade with FULL elements on gears

-1

whiteMomma well lol EVEN if we used to bot it doesnt matter..if diabolic got unbanned why wouldnt we get unbanned since we REALLY are legits

well lol EVEN if we used to bot it doesn`t matter...

-2
Lol!

Everyday I bet with my sis if somebody is going to come to the forums to cry about how they unfairly got banned and they are 100% legits, so far I am winning...

You know what thats exactly what a criminal says all the time, "I am innocent!"...

BTW the only reason the people from Luna got unbanned, wasnt because they were innocent, but because the GM make the mistake to not record the whole thing. Lets hope this fiasco never repeat ever again.And all this people comming and saying they are afraid to get banned, is because they probably cheaters, somebody who is legit and a honest person is not afraid of anything at all, because does not play lineage 2 to have a high level toon but to enjoy the game as its... only those who hide something are afraid... fear is the result of ignorance and lies.
You know what thats exactly what a criminal says all the time, "I am innocent!"...


Not all of them... "My lawyer screwed me" ;)
14. Termination

(a) NC Interactive reserves the right to suspend or terminate this Agreement (including your Software license and your Account) immediately and without notice if you breach this Agreement or willfully infringe any third party intellectual property rights, or if we are unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide to us, or upon game play, chat or any player activity whatsoever which is, in our sole discretion, inappropriate and/or in violation of the spirit of Lineage II as described in the Rules of Conduct. Should NC Interactive decide to suspend or terminate this Agreement with a User under any circumstances, the User will lose access to your Account for the balance of any prepaid period without any refund.

Problem with your complaint -- You agreed to the above quoted text of the Lineage 2 EULA each and every single time you log in.

Good luck fighting the good fight to get your accounts back. Otherwise, you have no standing to say that Lineage2, NCSoft NA, or NCSoft in anyway infringed upon your imaginary "Customer Protection under US Law."
Well said XelliB, thank you.

Ban all cheaters.

PS to White: RP isn't my only toon, but I'll still take the common-D you offered since I need some more elemental stones.
well then
this thread was actually made for the GMs,but since you all include players we must respect.
since you all dont care or either want the game to die.
gj you avoiding a good grp to come back playing as we always wanted to do
now go xp yours 70's toon and good luck

and for last time its consumer,our grp leader its portuguese and already contacted a ONG wich should sue ncsoft soon since they havent given an answer in time.
one more thing thank you all for beein so much understanding and nice to us,in 4 years from now you guys might get 78!push push push!
OMG! I just got banned! O_o...





Okay, no I didn't. Sorry to hear you got banned whoever you are. Speak to NC Soft NA. If they have some doubts and you are truly are legit, you might get your acc. back. Holding you're breath however is not advised... Gl and goodbye.
Let me know how that lawsuit pan's out. I'm interested to know.

*stifles laughter*

No, seriously. Good luck. 8|
*stifles laughter*



I think that laughter is going to be coming from the lawyer they try contacting.....
yeah yeah yeah yeah
I dont know why ppl rather be such morons than just be nice and try to help the next
the fail meter is at the redline captain!! i cant give her any more power!
and for last time its consumer,our grp leader its portuguese and already contacted a ONG wich should sue ncsoft soon since they havent given an answer in time.
one more thing thank you all for beein so much understanding and nice to us,in 4 years from now you guys might get 78!push push push!

Então podes dizer-lhe para ir levar no real traseiro.

Btw.. 78.. is less than 1 year.. if you have time on your hands.

Even for me.. only being able to play 1-2h per day....

So.. fail more.

EDIT:

Btw #2: QQing to law firms won't get you past the EULA.
I'm sorry, perhaps my cynisism was misconstrued as uncaring. I think that it's a horrible thing when you can run through a catacomb and 9 automated accounts hold a room and all belong to the same person farming for the sole purpose of making a real life profit is left to farm, while real players are banned.

What makes me so skeptical is how you keep talking about sueing NCNA and how you're protected under the law. When you make bold statements like that it's hard to take you seriously.

When it comes down to it, they can ban you for whatever reason they see as fit. If you wake up early one morning and have a bunch of goopies in your eye and give Spam a funky look -- he can ban you for it. (What Spam is doing at your house early in the morning I don't know -- but that's ok. I don't judge!) If you sing the name song to Omega and he doesn't like your voice -- he can ban you for it. All they have to do is say the community and spirit of Lineage 2 is better off without you.

You do not become a share holder in the company, or partial owner of any services when you pay your subscription fee. You are paying for them to allow you to experience their service. Period.

IF you are infact innocent of any of the accusations placed on you I encourage you to maturely continue to try and get your account back. But if you approach any customer service agent and open your conversation with "GIVE ME MY ACCOUNT BACK OR I'M GOING TO SUE YOU!" they aren't likely to respond favorably.

Think before you speak. Know before you make claims. Have proof before you blame.

Tank yu! Com agaen.
GM's going too far???
Nah they just need to do a little raid to catacombes at Teon and can banned hundeads true bots.. after they will come here crying they are legit big lol
Servers need to be cleaned! we want to play this game
GM's going too far???
Nah they just need to do a little raid to catacombes at Teon and can banned hundeads true bots.. after they will come here crying they are legit big lol
Servers need to be cleaned! we want to kill this game
there..fixed
there..fixed

Spoken like a true botter.

Getting bots banned won't kill the game... there are plenty of examples.. even on games that were much more dead than L2.

Growth of Legit players was like 900%.
yeah yeah yeah yeah
I dont know why ppl rather be such morons than just be nice and try to help the next

Sorry but there is nothing to help, i allready noted to items and quoted u and you say the whole group was equiped like that plus high enchanted skills.

How long were u all playing, i know alot of players that have been here since C2 that are not that equiped.

Alot of us have been here and fought the bots so **** long we are tired, finally ncsoft starts with the ban hammer and all of a sudden everyone is legit and innocent.

Maybe some of you were innocent, but were grouped with players running progies, hell i don`t know i cannot look at the code ncsoft can.

Every action even if u wave, smile drop 1 adena ingame is on the game logs, they can be studied.
I'm sorry, perhaps my cynisism was misconstrued as uncaring. I think that it's a horrible thing when you can run through a catacomb and 9 automated accounts hold a room and all belong to the same person farming for the sole purpose of making a real life profit is left to farm, while real players are banned.

What makes me so skeptical is how you keep talking about sueing NCNA and how you're protected under the law. When you make bold statements like that it's hard to take you seriously.

When it comes down to it, they can ban you for whatever reason they see as fit. If you wake up early one morning and have a bunch of goopies in your eye and give Spam a funky look -- he can ban you for it. (What Spam is doing at your house early in the morning I don't know -- but that's ok. I don't judge!) If you sing the name song to Omega and he doesn't like your voice -- he can ban you for it. All they have to do is say the community and spirit of Lineage 2 is better off without you.

You do not become a share holder in the company, or partial owner of any services when you pay your subscription fee. You are paying for them to allow you to experience their service. Period.

IF you are infact innocent of any of the accusations placed on you I encourage you to maturely continue to try and get your account back. But if you approach any customer service agent and open your conversation with "GIVE ME MY ACCOUNT BACK OR I'M GOING TO SUE YOU!" they aren't likely to respond favorably.

Think before you speak. Know before you make claims. Have proof before you blame.

Tank yu! Com agaen.

I didnt treat ncsoft whatsoever.
who made the first post was my party leader and we emailed ncsoft but no response so far.
Im doing my best to save my constant grp.
We were all diferent players and mostly of us didnt even have dual box buffers.
I tell you something,right our accounts were terminated I logged on our dorf (we used for restock etc) and all detaged enemys bots were still there botting lol.
Its funny how GMs works but hope its the last one that dies.
I didnt treat ncsoft whatsoever.
who made the first post was my party leader and we emailed ncsoft but no response so far.
Im doing my best to save my constant grp.
We were all diferent players and mostly of us didnt even have dual box buffers.
I tell you something,right our accounts were terminated I logged on our dorf (we used for restock etc) and all detaged enemys bots was still there botting lol.
Its funny how GMs works but hope its the last one that dies.

So.. account sharing on forum? OMG!

/me borrows a shovel so that you can dig your grave deeper.
Sorry but there is nothing to help, i allready noted to items and quoted u and you say the whole group was equiped like that plus high enchanted skills.

How long were u all playing, i know alot of players that have been here since C2 that are not that equiped.

Alot of us have been here and fought the bots so **** long we are tired, finally ncsoft starts with the ban hammer and all of a sudden everyone is legit and innocent.

Maybe some of you were innocent, but were grouped with players running progies, hell i don`t know i cannot look at the code ncsoft can.

Every action even if u wave, smile drop 1 adena ingame is on the game logs, they can be studied.
we play l2 since C4 actually
if ppl started in C2 and still doesnt have decent gears its not my fault
So.. account sharing on forum? OMG!

/me borrows a shovel so that you can dig your grave deeper.
LOL it was a DORF 30 and I dont care if its gets banned
account sharing not allowed ? okay ban 92% of the players
LOL it was a DORF 30 and I dont care if its gets banned
account sharing not allowed ? okay ban 92% of the players

Haha ;)

White.. go back to your RL.. and tell your portuguese to "Ganhar juízo e crescer para a vida... já que deve ser filho de papás ricos que pensam que mandam em tudo. Falhaste.. agora.. xô!"
I didnt treat ncsoft whatsoever.
who made the first post was my party leader and we emailed ncsoft but no response so far.
Im doing my best to save my constant grp.
We were all diferent players and mostly of us didnt even have dual box buffers.
I tell you something,right our accounts were terminated I logged on our dorf (we used for restock etc) and all detaged enemys bots were still there botting lol.
Its funny how GMs works but hope its the last one that dies.

Lets see you are acct sharing on the forum so i bet you acct shared in game= eula violation bannable offense

You see when you log in your ip is registered, now if that acct is logged in from another Ip distant from the first ip, that triggers acct sharing and acct sharing is against the eula.

Now that added with the other two slip ups i cought you on =

-3 your out
LOL it was a DORF 30 and I dont care if its gets banned
account sharing not allowed ? okay ban 92% of the players

What got Nova out of Bartz was their alliance leader (and a bunch of olympiad toons) getting banned for ... wait for it ... account sharing.
LOL it was a DORF 30 and I dont care if its gets banned
account sharing not allowed ? okay ban 92% of the players

no, sweet dear baby bruce lee, no.

nobody in their right mind shares accounts.

everyone, however, that is legitimate DOES care if their account gets banned. you dont care for 1 account ... whats to say you arent running 8 along with it? more accounts that arent your "main" so you dont care.

draw the line. if youre legit, youre legit. if not, youve got nobody to blame but yourself. you can make it to high level in Lineage2 as a solo player in a short amount of time. it has been proven.

even completely legit.

hardly 92% of players are account-sharers. if anything i'd peg it at 10% who constantly get banned.
Why is it that everyone that breaks the Eula in some form or fashion assumes everyone else does it as well? Or is that just an excuse or lame attempt to justify their actions?
Have any of the complaining people that have suddenly been banned for being innocent and threaten NC Soft actually read the EULA that you agree to when you log in. You know, the one that says that all items and characters in game are property of NC Soft and that they reserve the right to termintate your service at any time at their discretion.


(I cant read it at the moment since it is down on the L2 site and I have no client on my work PC at this time, but if it is a standard EULA, then it is in there).


Whether you did or did not break the rules, you could sue til you are blue in the face, but the legally binding EULA you agreed to when you log in every time to play basically means you would be wasting time and money.....



On another aspect this is one of the rare occasions where I will be agreeing with Spudnik...
this thread is funny btw white momma are u really bragging about a toon in a video game ?
what does a legit 80+ proove ? maybe that u lack some social competence ?
is that all u have ?
i hope not otherwise u need to go out and meet ppl face to face btw any girlfriend pet family nightlife or friends ?

just my 2 sentence to your definition of awesome toon

your awesome toon shows only 1 thing that u arent awesome at all sad but true enjoy ur virtual life
Well I do belive they can tell whos botting yes,and they select some ppl to ban so they say theyr doing theyr job
I always chosed to play legitly and when I was on my lowbie in Luna heard that a legit grp needed a EE I told then I was a EE and in the next week I went Luna.
Personaly I have nothing against bots,they make the B/A/S sets and weapons so its easyer to players like mostly on this forum buy it for acessible prices.
My group and I enjoy playing our classes and our toons so we have no need for botting.
There are some companies that sells adenas and Items , they r the ones who should be hunted.

Basicly I do know at least 1 player who never botted and nevertheless he go banned. Maybe he was in a party with a bots - that's I don't know.

BUT: WhiteMommy - in the quoted post you simply overplayed. Such naivite may exist in 8 years old (or in WoW player). What I means is your words doesn't ring true.
Lets see you are acct sharing on the forum so i bet you acct shared in game= eula violation bannable offense

You see when you log in your ip is registered, now if that acct is logged in from another Ip distant from the first ip, that triggers acct sharing and acct sharing is against the eula.

Now that added with the other two slip ups i cought you on =

-3 your out

If you seriously think they watch for account sharing and ban people over it when they don't can't even ban bots you're delusional
I meant I've never seen anyone getting banned for sniffer


anyway,If some ppl in the forum are only interesting in flooding or be against a PvP grp works properly,please I ask you to leave.
I do not care if you are carebear lvl 56 an that still xps in Execution Grounds and only saw Places like HB/MoS/Pagens in print screens.
This is a serious thread about a grp wich suffered terrible unjustice and trying to fix things before its too late.
Now if you all butthurts just get over and get a life.

Leave? You're posting in a public forum, expect to be trolled.
You don't care? We know, you're awesome.
Suffered terrible injustice? It's pixels!
Get a life? Oh you poor soul...
I didnt treat ncsoft whatsoever.
who made the first post was my party leader and we emailed ncsoft but no response so far.
Im doing my best to save my constant grp.
We were all diferent players and mostly of us didnt even have dual box buffers.
I tell you something,right our accounts were terminated I logged on our dorf (we used for restock etc) and all detaged enemys bots were still there botting lol.
Its funny how GMs works but hope its the last one that dies.


Translated -> We kept a dwarf logged out nearby with a stock of supplies so we never had to send our train to town, and they could grind 24/7 while only our dorf had to go back to restock.

Seriously, the EULA says they can close your account at any time at their discretion, and there's not a **** thing any lawyer can do about that. You're not getting it back, mainly because you know as well as all of us do that you cheated your *** off.

As far as killing the game - not hardly. Bots like you are a significant factor in what has made this game as unsuccessful as it is outside of its original market.

On another note, if you don't think people get banned for account sharing - LoL@U. Go ask Nova on Phoenix. It happens quite often if the parties sharing the accounts don't have IPs that register as locations fairly close to one another.
about sniffer not sure lol
I was in redsky(teon) for a while and 98% of clan members uses sniffer and NEVER got banned for sniffer.
Ppl make PvP videos using sniffer also and never been punished..

LOL you where on teon and tranfered to LUNA?! that explains all why you and your mates got banned xD
. . . you can run through a catacomb and 9 automated accounts hold a room and all belong to the same person farming for the sole purpose of making a real life profit is left to farm . . .

Anyone from NCSoft want to comment about this? This is actually the biggest problem with the game and makes other players think that they can get away with botting too.
Problem with your complaint -- You agreed to the above quoted text of the Lineage 2 EULA each and every single time you log in.

Well, technically if they were being naughty, they probably never even saw that text <<.

I dont know why ppl rather be such morons than just be nice and try to help the next

Think the biggest problem is that you're complaining on the player forum, to the players, and they really can't help you.
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