Soul Breakers in PvP in Gracia Final???

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I have only heard that the defense of all Kamael will be raised I believe on the update list. Can anyone tell me if there is anything else being added to aid SBs in PvP?

I believe we get some new skills as well but im looking for the likes of upgrade or nerfs and such.
From what i've seen on pts and playing against em they are gonna be the fotm this coming chronicle. but that's end game, and a long way away.
I have only heard that the defense of all Kamael will be raised I believe on the update list. Can anyone tell me if there is anything else being added to aid SBs in PvP?

I believe we get some new skills as well but im looking for the likes of upgrade or nerfs and such.

Last i checked (i didnt make a soul hound in pts =X) our defense won't be raised, but we will get a passive: -10% crit rate vs us and -10% crit power vs us on our light armor mastery. So it will be harder to crit us, that's it. As for the skills, the cooldowns of most of our skills are lowered significantly (Steal divinity -> 12 seconds... wtf? that's just asking for a nerf...). I think soulbreaker has only upgrades from this update, but I can't be all too sure, since i didn't make one in pts to test it that much.
we have a nerf that's painkiller fade when u attack like any other inv skill... that's a major nerf if you think about it.
But its better now kinda, you dont get debuff :P
I was read about passive kamels skills in GF
Redused crit dmg
and reduse crit rate in pvp from other players, but now i reading so doesn't be theese skills ?
• The defense power of the Kamael class has been strengthened: the probability of being hit by a critical attack has decreased and the critical damage inflicted by enemies has decreased.

It's still there.

And yes romanec i forgot about Painkiller. Yes in certain situations it can be a great nerf, but then again the lack of debuff can save your *** (I for one am not the bsoe kind of guy, i rather make a "strategical retreat") :p. So i can already see how the painkiller change might come in handy escaping, rather than killing. Mages will be more of a pain in the *** now though, got to pray for a non-crit.
well... painkiller is still the bets way to fight a mage... painkiller just to get close to them... they will try to land their vortex as they see you coming. Mpost of mages are too confident that they will 2 shot you before you reach to them, so they don't run away anymore... so one you reach to them, they are hound food ^^

Remember we can vortex back and cycle our nukes in GF and SoP removes target as well ^^ and the fact that our silence lands a lot more than any other (in equal or lower level targets) without needing to OE it... so a bufless mage is still easy ^^
SoulBreakers and Berzerkers got big boosts across the board.

We have spammable nukes. That is huge. I can not tell you how many countless times I had to run circle around my enemy just so one of my nukes recycled.

Our DPS has really gone up tremendously. THe big bonus is that it is constant and like Romanec mentions, SoP drops target alot.

The "nerf" to painkiller will take a little getting use to, but I am almost postive the re-use was shortened. Can anyone confirm this?

Someone needs to sticky up a list of all our skills and their re-use. Put up a description as well. Would be cool imo.
Pain Killer is now 5 minutes with no debuff.
Mass Disarm down to 2min 30s (very nice) - regular disarm 8 seconds or something? Almost as soon as people can get their weapons back on I can disarm again... chain disarm ftw... not to mention crushing pain, enuma elish and everything else come back MUCH faster. Violent temper less than 1 second reuse/pretty much spammable.
Soulbreakers teleport every 7 seconds with spammable nukes...I quit...
QQ more, slow human.
Now we are back on track... anyway... I wanted to test c. speed with some dyes so I put on some wit dyes from store... Imo... we don't really need them. In fact, it's easier to spam nukes if casting speed is a little bit slower than it should. There's a time when the skill is almost refreshing that if you click it i will cast again (this is to spam a nuke ofc) and with no dyes and only with m. haste (1 or 2, doesn't really make too much difference) the time of casting soul of pain turns out to be EXACT with the time the skill refreshes... so IMO... save your adena and your m.atk and just buy m. haste from store and you can still spam your nukes ^^
pff weak soulbreaker i will just anchor him and gg oh wait......

removed and replaced for fear btw great skill nerf its really useless now k it was really overpowered for all these chronicles but come on a 12 sec reuse 100% landable 7 buffs stealing debuff isnt ?
QQ more, humans ^_^. I'm coming for my seat in Aden. Tell your king to **** :P


PS, ever since I enchanted the mental passive, I don't get feared anymore tbh. Even by level 80 Necro's. ++Mental Shield is also pretty nice :P
QQ more, humans ^_^. I'm coming for my seat in Aden. Tell your king to **** :P


PS, ever since I enchanted the mental passive, I don't get feared anymore tbh. Even by level 80 Necro's. ++Mental Shield is also pretty nice :P

Ya don't worry about the humans...but the DE nukers will still mess you up so don't mess with us : p
Mass Disarm down to 2min 30s (very nice) - regular disarm 8 seconds or something? Almost as soon as people can get their weapons back on I can disarm again... chain disarm ftw... not to mention crushing pain, enuma elish and everything else come back MUCH faster. Violent temper less than 1 second reuse/pretty much spammable.

VT is actually 100% spamable. I realized this when i would be all hyped up and accidently press it twice and i'd double Violent temper a mob or person. too bad it don't stack. :P
Ya don't worry about the humans...but the DE nukers will still mess you up so don't mess with us : p

hehe indeed they do hurt... but I had a pvp with a StS and he was really ****** off coz after I debuffed him he couldn't cast a single spell due to SoP interruption ^^ I actually nuked him out XD

If his silence had landed then that'd probably be a different story.
I can say that only archers can be killed in PvP easily now (with the condition that SH got Maj Set or Boss Jew).

Overall, seems like mages are much stronger generally... having a war if a mage sees you first , you won't stand a chance at all... the fight will last 1-2 sec :)))

Other classes such as daggers, warriors, tanks... are easier to fight now.

It can be surely stated that in Gracia Final Soul Hound has moved up and is an average type fighter in small PvPs , just after Mages .. in line with daggers.

Maybe, a more desired fighter type in mass PvP where stealing buffs is crusial...
well... painkiller is still the bets way to fight a mage... painkiller just to get close to them... they will try to land their vortex as they see you coming. Mpost of mages are too confident that they will 2 shot you before you reach to them, so they don't run away anymore... so one you reach to them, they are hound food ^^

lmao so true...

and yea violent temper is spammable, I often end up doing it 2-3x when I only mean to do it once.
Now we are back on track... anyway... I wanted to test c. speed with some dyes so I put on some wit dyes from store... Imo... we don't really need them. In fact, it's easier to spam nukes if casting speed is a little bit slower than it should. There's a time when the skill is almost refreshing that if you click it i will cast again (this is to spam a nuke ofc) and with no dyes and only with m. haste (1 or 2, doesn't really make too much difference) the time of casting soul of pain turns out to be EXACT with the time the skill refreshes... so IMO... save your adena and your m.atk and just buy m. haste from store and you can still spam your nukes ^^

I love my cast ++++WIT cast speed. For my game style, it works just fine. Remember, I need the WIT since I do alot of Olympiad. The added WIT means I will be able to strike first vs other Soulhounds. ++++WIT also gives us more MCRIT's.

But, I have not taken my WIT dye off yet since the update happened. I am thinking about it since I recently gotten Enlightenment.
I love my cast ++++WIT cast speed. For my game style, it works just fine. Remember, I need the WIT since I do alot of Olympiad. The added WIT means I will be able to strike first vs other Soulhounds. ++++WIT also gives us more MCRIT's.

But, I have not taken my WIT dye off yet since the update happened. I am thinking about it since I recently gotten Enlightenment.


Kronk, it is wise to learn from your mistakes... I recently bought a wit dye from store... and omg... I've beaten so far: 76, adventurer, 79 sagi, 78 ol, 77 dc, 78 sts and 77 archmage... Just buff stealing and spamming soul of pain seems to be punishment enough for light armors and robe users... they de-target a lot, and still do about 1200 dmg per hit... Forget what I said before and +1 for the wit dye ^^
although skill reuse is set now, wit/casting speed and dex/attack speed still affect how fast the skill gets off from the time you initiate it to the time it hits, so worthwhile to have these tats still perhaps...
True... I'm happy with them, even f I gimped my m.atk I still do pretty decent damage and ofc, casting and reuse is improved to the point that I don't let an archer or nuker use their skills... I need to have some pvp against tanks, duelists, gk's and summoners... since those classes are **** hard for me and need to practice :)
Almost always best thing is to kite and nuke for those tough melees; Kite tanks, I have to do that too; Hold/slow duelists and gk. Those you can't tank, and getting close to melee, even for checkmate, is too dangerous. Summoners however... Sword Shield, then get in close for fast massive aoe damage that will hit both summoner and summon, which includes Spread Wing. Summoners are still tough for SHound, but you can't have everything!

I hope everyone is using Spread Wing now, it's a nice solid 360 degree aoe with good range, fast reuse, and can be used with any weapon. Which is kinda nice when I aoe with a pole on either DB or SB. It has crap enchant options tho, maybe +power would be ok...
yup, summoners are still nasty, but I don't expect to own everything... I rather don't face the mentioned classes... but would be nice to have an option to survive, or maybe once in a while win a pvp against them ^^
I hope everyone is using Spread Wing now, it's a nice solid 360 degree aoe with good range, fast reuse, and can be used with any weapon. Which is kinda nice when I aoe with a pole on either DB or SB. It has crap enchant options tho, maybe +power would be ok...

Hell yes. In fact, atm i still exp by AoEing at Garden of Beasts (pull 6-7 mobs after me and spam annihiliation circle and spread wings. Then pick the herbs and be back in full hp/mp. Got 25% on a lvl 62 friend in a buffround). The change to spread wings have made my exping go about 3x faster atm.
Has anyone tried Spread Wing to detect a Dagger in Hide mode ? Spread wing doesn't require a target , i was thinking to try how it works... if it does, then we can detect daggers as well (would be awesome on Olimp against 83+ daggers):) I'll try wit dye now too, ty for suggestion :)
Has anyone tried Spread Wing to detect a Dagger in Hide mode ? Spread wing doesn't require a target , i was thinking to try how it works... if it does, then we can detect daggers as well (would be awesome on Olimp against 83+ daggers):) I'll try wit dye now too, ty for suggestion :)

yes you can detect them!!!saw Hellwing kamael Doombringer owning AW 83++
(dont remember the last occupation :P )
edit:low level here 62...silence summoner r00t summon Steal Dm and all the way down...I dont about higher levels thow =(
Apella light and a Laevatin ^^ (my exact same gear XD) and over 77 coz he casts vortex ^^
Btw... nice video... took you too long to hit that sorc... once you use SD twice why didn't you tried to root her? It usually lands if they don't have boss jewels... specially if she was in DC (which means that don't have resists and you should have your weapon at least at 150)... Another strategy is to hit painkiller/hard march and ruuuuuun like crazy until you get close enough to give them pain ^^

Cool cool video ^^ that's the power of a Houndie ^^

Edit: BTW, was the healer of the last dagger a live one? It seems to me it was a botted pp... you should've written down the name of the last dagger in your video and the healer and if you think it was botted, make a petition ^^
the root does not work 100% I try to use many times against the Sorcerer and try slow/silence to and dosent work

I m 77 + ^ ^
Yup... if sorc is higher level it may not land, but on equal levels, if you totally debuff them, you can actually get to land it ^^ really cool videos, gotta teach me how to make a video from the replays :D
Edit: BTW, was the healer of the last dagger a live one? It seems to me it was a botted pp... you should've written down the name of the last dagger in your video and the healer and if you think it was botted, make a petition ^^

When u see any bot banned? i use report petition and i never see nothing happens ^^