So im pretty ****** atm. I was at a fort siege and my (untagged) buffer was standing outside of the siege grounds. As they ran by they used the bot button on her. They had some untagged toons. The enemy then made me receive a penalty through the bot button, and she wasnt able to join a party for 60 minutes. I couldnt get prophecy or Zerk on any of our party members. This is a freakin greifer tool.
So im pretty ****** atm. I was going to a fort siege and my enemy bot reported my buffer (untagged) and she wasn't able to join a party for 60 minuties. I couldnt get prophecy or Zerk on any of our party members. This is a freakin greifer tool.
e what happend to the buffer? a sign a blinking sign that said " respond or you get haxed" ? or anything?
So im pretty ****** atm. I was going to a fort siege and my enemy bot reported my buffer (untagged) and she wasn't able to join a party for 60 minuties. I couldnt get prophecy or Zerk on any of our party members. This is a freakin greifer tool.
Can't be true. I tried to report a full bot party on Teon's Ketra Generals.. and nothing happened... except me getting the "Wait 30 min" or "Already reported" errors.
A player from the same clan/IP/ally.. will get the reply "This character has already been reported by a player in your clan, ally, or with your IP address".
So im pretty ****** atm. I was going to a fort siege and my enemy bot reported my buffer (untagged) and she wasn't able to join a party for 60 minuties. I couldnt get prophecy or Zerk on any of our party members. This is a freakin greifer tool.
Are you shore about this? Tested on my buffer and i could re invite him in party etc np.
its true, when everyone attacking your fort reports your buffer.
You can report a specific char ONCE from one account/IP/clan/Ally. So unless a very large number of untagged players were at the siege reporting you I doubt your "enemies" did it to you
You can report a specific char ONCE from one account/IP/clan/Ally. So unless a very large number of untagged players were at the siege reporting you I doubt your "enemies" did it to you
if there's a way to make someone unable to fight as well by reporting them you'll see 2 untagged for every tagged at sieges.
Oh. also see sig. Wonder if spam keeps up his deal.
LOL maybe they are removing this new feature. I remember spam sayed if the button get abused or wrong handled, he will remove it. Thats why the servers are down now...who knows...x-files style
LOL maybe they are removing this new feature. I remember spam sayed if the button get abused or wrong handled, he will remove it. Thats why the servers are down now...who knows...x-files style
no. It'll take weeks to get it removed, this is L2. But that was a promise spam made. I fully expect him to break it, or go and delete the post so it looks like he never said it, I don't have much faith in the community management of this game.
However, should he keep his promise and remove it if it can be exploited. kudos to him. I just don't expect it.
Mmm so what happen if two untagged toons report you? will you get the party penalty?
:S, because if thats the case, I can see how this could be use at sieges... to destroy your enemy... get the names of healers, report them with multiple toons (dont matter level)... and thats it :S, not need to even been there...
Probably this feature will be removed in a couple of months :S.
So im pretty ****** atm. I was going to a fort siege and my enemy bot reported my buffer (untagged) and she wasn't able to join a party for 60 minuties. I couldnt get prophecy or Zerk on any of our party members. This is a freakin greifer tool.
LOL now people are starting to realize how the bot button is now going to be used as a weapon GJ people you all fail to heeding my warning now its time to get what you deserve. lol.
OH HEY I DON'T Like YOU So I'm going to use the /report bot button on you just to piss you off.
i find it interesting how this change makes it more difficult to legitly report bots (not that it mattered in the first place) but more easier to punish legit players! 9 characters in a bot train, can report only 1 of them every 30 minutes... and only I can report them, because if I bring my clan mates to do the same it isn't allowed. So how exactly is that suppose to work? Am I suppose to use jedi mind tricks to convince some other botter hovering around me to report his neighbor since there is no one else to do so? Do I "cheat" and log into l2 via a proxy so I can report with my boxed account? Our options are pretty limited and it's pretty obvious that this system isn't going to work on our low population servers composed mostly of botters ;/
It's all lies. I report the same people, every day, from more than one PC and nothing happens to them.
BTW, they are on their way to S Grade now... GF Bot Button
Well, too bad the bot button just got changed on the new update. Everything is different now. When i tried to invite my buffer into party it said ' you cannot join party because you have been reported as a bot'
The people attacking my fort hate us. They had friends helping them, there were about 4-5 people from different clans. This was the first time my buffer actually left town since the update. When else could i have been reported? This is not a joke...
u can only report 1 person with 1 ip.dont matter if u log other accoutnt o report that toon so trains dont report 1 person to death.
i heard that a bot in VOS lost 11 lvls because of this bot button.
but button is of course abused.
u got pvp,u lose u report dude that kill u.
u go pvp,u win,u get reported.very easy to abuse system
Anyways, this only effect legit people. People who bot dont care about not being able to party for an hour. I couldnt buff my party pof/zerk during fort siege.
Sounds like the Bot Button just got changed to the QQ Button.
I have the bot button on my bar now so when I party with 9 other people in pvp I use this macro:
00 #My Target: %target , is a BOT!
01 /reportbot
02 #Assist Me For /report!
03 /attack
(Bot or not)
Thank you NCsoft For Giving us all a New skill to play with :D:D
PS I really don't have that macro but that's something you guys might wanna try out :)
Thanks for taking the time to QQ about the bot report button. You just gave everyone a new tactic to use in lineage 2. Doomcryers beware You are all going to get Flagged LOLOLOLOL
Thing is, it's easy enough for NCSoft to check who reported which char. And if that person gets into the habit of reporting non-bots for the lulz, their account can be banned as well. So, let's wait and see how it works out.
I'd suggest making a petition every time you get that "Report Level" debuff. Something along the lines of "Some people wrongly reported me as botting, please clear it."
Thing is, it's easy enough for NCSoft to check who reported which char. And if that person gets into the habit of reporting non-bots for the lulz, their account can be banned as well. So, let's wait and see how it works out.
I'd suggest making a petition every time you get that "Report Level" debuff. Something along the lines of "Some people wrongly reported me as botting, please clear it."
you know thats way too much work for the support team. It'll never happen. Besides. Spam made a promise. I want him to keep it, and not wiggle his way out of it.
Honestly We need that bot button or some way for us to deal with the **** bots ourselves. people that Use and Abuse it to benifit themselfs IMO shouldnt be allowed to play for a day or a week or during a seidge ect.
the bot button is there to use on BOTS! not legit or boxed Players (unless the box is a bot)
I would be ****** if someone reported my prophet or SE.
i was hunting today, and used report button few times... but report only ONCE in 30min, and unable to report character from same clan get bot trains more chance to survive...
and i'm visiting one bot developer website and forum, and they are talking about integrate that button to bot and make it "autouse" back on those who reports them...
So it will be screwd, becouse once you report bot, you get one report back on yourself... :(
and i'm visiting one bot developer website and forum, and they are talking about integrate that button to bot and make it "autouse" back on those who reports them...
So it will be screwd, becouse once you report bot, you get one report back on yourself... :(
And what were you doing on a bot devloper site anyway, thats like asking for the banhammer right there jsut saying that.
And what were you doing on a bot devloper site anyway, thats like asking for the banhammer right there jsut saying that.
sometimes i go to check whats happening. :) sometimes realy fun to read there that 8 or 10 accounts was banned :) thats what you will never see NC posting to prove their work...
P.S. Easiest way to win war - is to know your enemy. know they abilities and everything else. :P
well wouldn't be really hard i think that u redesign a bit the button, so that legit ppl with buf pets won't be afected. so when u get that number of reports, some big message should apear on screen, like the one when shaddow items expires, and make u introduce a random code, u know like on all **** sites, so u prevent the program typing it.
anyway something arround it, since if this remain like it is pvp will suck big
And what were you doing on a bot devloper site anyway, thats like asking for the banhammer right there jsut saying that.
most people talk about bots without knowing sh*t about them.
You don't have to download the programs and run them. But visiting sites like that means you can actually get a clue what you're talking about without breaking the EULA.
It's not very clever to talk about something you haven't even researched in the slightest.
Tss, now players have the authority to punish bots... :rolleyes:
Why the button doesn't ban the reported character if it's truly a bot just by the fact someone reported it?
You are culprit of being suspicious now. Koreans are seriously mentally ill.
This bot button is not god as it is,
i can't report a full bot party anymore cause of this lame 30 min cooldown
6 reports a day? this must be a joke since i can find full bot parties everywhere.
ok for those bashing me for saying that... think about it for a min...
Im not saying they are using it, but if someone told you that they knew how walker worked whats the first thing that pops into your mind? (and be honest), How do they know that, they must be using it or have used it in the past.
thats what I see when they say that. I wasnt accusing but If I worked for NcSoft (thankfully I dont *no offence*) I would take that as they were either using it or have used it or were thinking of useing it. then I would keep my eye on that person alot more.
Sorry but thats my way of thinking.
OK so they were "scoping it out" like NcSoft is gonna do anything about the bots auto reporting us for reporting them anyway.
they have the tools to investigate anybody. If they're suspicious they can just take a look at the account.
I wouldn't advice anybody to go read bot forums, but if you're interested in knowing what you're dealing with it's really the only way short of using the programs and breaking the EULA
Tss, now players have the authority to punish bots... :rolleyes:
Why the button doesn't ban the reported character if it's truly a bot just by the fact someone reported it?
You are culprit of being suspicious now. Koreans are seriously mentally ill.
or just ban them for 24 hours or so; being banned like that every day they will eventually gave up, i think will be a it different and the bots will eventually stop boting here. anyway, i just like to annoy bots, so that's why i'd started with 24h ban :D
ok for those bashing me for saying that... think about it for a min...
Im not saying they are using it, but if someone told you that they knew how walker worked whats the first thing that pops into your mind? (and be honest), How do they know that, they must be using it or have used it in the past.
thats what I see when they say that. I wasnt accusing but If I worked for NcSoft (thankfully I dont *no offence*) I would take that as they were either using it or have used it or were thinking of useing it. then I would keep my eye on that person alot more.
Sorry but thats my way of thinking.
OK so they were "scoping it out" like NcSoft is gonna do anything about the bots auto reporting us for reporting them anyway.
actualy i was thinking to get a bot program since i see same famous bots farming all year long... but to pay for bot when you have to pay for game? sorry, that's not for me.
If you can't play, then don't. but pay double amount for game and risk to loose everything... thanks no. :)
Thanks for taking the time to QQ about the bot report button. You just gave everyone a new tactic to use in lineage 2. Doomcryers beware You are all going to get Flagged LOLOLOLOL
AND THATS WHY PROPHETS ARE #1
hey where is legit PEARLENE now didnt u say WOW MY FRIENDS NEVER BOT
man u start to annoy me with ur ********
i would bet 100 bucks that u botted ur **** out of ur toons
Human beings are pathetic. why would anyone really think to themselves "I'm going to lie about this character so I can get an unfair advantage"?
*shakes head* yay for L2...
but that's the point..
Human beings ARE cheating, lying, murdering, evil creatures. not all of them, but you can't distinguish them until they do something.
Why isn't there a /ban command available to players? Because some of them are going to abuse it abuse it. If everyone was an angel there could be such a command and it would never be used. But we're not. We are a species who will do anything to win against someone we don't like
I for one am gonna applaud NC if infact the button works as people are stating.
If people wrongly use the button then they are as bad as the botters.
As a community we now have the ability to police ourselves...too sad if we prove untrustworthy.
Just wanted to add that all NC has to do is give everyone the right to be able to remove the effects of the ban button. In that way players wrongly reported could remove the effects immediately...bots on the other hand couldn't unless they attended their bots on a regular basis which would defeat the reason to bot.
I for one am gonna applaud NC if infact the button works as people are stating.
If people wrongly use the button then they are as bad as the botters.
As a community we now have the ability to police ourselves...too sad if we prove untrustworthy.
Just wanted to add that all NC has to do is give everyone the right to be able to remove the effects of the ban button. In that way players wrongly reported could remove the effects immediately...bots on the other hand couldn't unless they attended their bots on a regular basis which would defeat the reason to bot.
I think any human interraction with the client can be simulated by a program, sure it might buy as some time, maybe a month... but when this is the case the bot developers will surely put in every effort to create an addon or extra program to simulate the negative effect removal.
you wouldnt be angry about it until it effects you. Not having zerk/pof for an archer party kinda makes all the difference q.q
I'm probably not a good example since right now i roll with a WC, EE, and BD. If i was to lose one of them cause someone falsely reported me i could easily replace any of them with a pp or se or Warlock.
Now if the guy wanted to grief me he would have to come back in 1/2 hour and report another support.
If thats the case i could just as easily log and go level some of my other DD.
I agree its a high price but i am willing to put up with it to try and get the PvsP on a level field.
Again if you had the ability to remove the report it would accomplish a lot. Maybe the bot makers could work around it like Naichoryss pointed out but i'm willing to let them try. Certainly not doing anything won't help and at least for now i will enjoy all thebotters that we know QQing.
you wouldnt be angry about it until it effects you. Not having zerk/pof for an archer party kinda makes all the difference q.q
I'll be angry when I see more data points. One case of anecdotal evidence does not qualify as a significant sampling. The chicken littles on this forum are numerous and incredibly vocal, so I take everything with a grain of salt. We all knew the button could be and would be abused. The question for me(I don't give a **** what Spam said) is whether or not it is a good feature overall.
you wouldnt be angry about it until it effects you. Not having zerk/pof for an archer party kinda makes all the difference q.q
The bot report looks pretty decent conceived now. So you not having your PP for sige is a bit suspicions.... or some one hate to hell and wasted his entire game day, or got like 10+ friends to do it also, to target your pp wile avoid reporting you..? If you are my enemy and i use the "bot report skill" i would use it on you not the pp pet, so why did you pp got so reported to get penalty?
I self reported my buffer nothing happened, so 1 report is far from enough for the penalty, how many did you get?
The bot report is not spamamable, is has a time/clan/aly/ip limitation and it needs severel of it to give a penalty. So i believe is a big improvement, is true some shady individuals could organize and go around and report enemies to get them off sige field etc but abusing something to get a advantage can be punished and should be punished also.
I for one am gonna applaud NC if infact the button works as people are stating.
If people wrongly use the button then they are as bad as the botters.
As a community we now have the ability to police ourselves...too sad if we prove untrustworthy.
most people are jerks online. You can't get around that fact. If you believe anything else you are extremely ignorant
We always had the ability to police ourselves, by reporting eachother for our wrong-doing, and we as a community have already proved untrustworthy, beyond any doubt. All the scamming and account hacking and botting. All these people will have the button too, and its functionality will be the exact same for them as it is for us.
I'm probably not a good example since right now i roll with a WC, EE, and BD. If i was to lose one of them cause someone falsely reported me i could easily replace any of them with a pp or se or Warlock.
Now if the guy wanted to grief me he would have to come back in 1/2 hour and report another support.
If thats the case i could just as easily log and go level some of my other DD.
This doesn't matter at all for PvE, I could care less if it only affected that, PvE is mostly easy.
Do this on a siege and you royally **** somebody up
I'll be angry when I see more data points. One case of anecdotal evidence does not qualify as a significant sampling. The chicken littles on this forum are numerous and incredibly vocal, so I take everything with a grain of salt. We all knew the button could be and would be abused. The question for me(I don't give a **** what Spam said) is whether or not it is a good feature overall.
How can anything be a good feature if it can be used to kick someone from your enemies clan out of their party?
The bot report looks pretty decent conceived now. So you not having your PP for sige is a bit suspicions.... or some one hate to hell and wasted his entire game day, or got like 10+ friends to do it also, to target your pp wile avoid reporting you..? If you are my enemy and i use the "bot report skill" i would use it on you not the pp pet, so why did you pp got so reported to get penalty?
I self reported my buffer nothing happened, so 1 report is far from enough for the penalty, how many did you get?
The bot report is not spamamable, is has a time/clan/aly/ip limitation and it needs severel of it to give a penalty. So i believe is a big improvement, is true some shady individuals could organize and go around and report enemies to get them off sige field etc but abusing something to get a advantage can be punished and should be punished also.
4 DD's without buffs are not much of a threat compared to 3 buffed ones.
I'll be angry when I see more data points. One case of anecdotal evidence does not qualify as a significant sampling. The chicken littles on this forum are numerous and incredibly vocal, so I take everything with a grain of salt. We all knew the button could be and would be abused. The question for me(I don't give a **** what Spam said) is whether or not it is a good feature overall.
I see it as a bad feature in a good game (too late for players to manually clean the servers) or a good feature in a bad game (built in grief tool for everyone?).
LOL maybe they are removing this new feature. I remember spam sayed if the button get abused or wrong handled, he will remove it. Thats why the servers are down now...who knows...x-files style
A clannie of mine was sitting out exping NORMAL and he was reported, soe'd to clan hall went afk for like 4 hours doing stuff came back and was unable to respond to pm's becuase he was "Reported" with the button. That button is the worse thing ever, have untagged people report all the buffers = no buffs. Report people and that means no chat for pvp/seiges etc. simple to do almost everyone has 2 or 3 buffer accounts.
How can anything be a good feature if it can be used to kick someone from your enemies clan out of their party?
Sneezing, when people take a step back and look at the bot situation in totality you can see that Lineage 2 is so horribly broken that the end-game currently found in L2 is "fruit from a poison tree". NCsoft will never admit it, but by allowing the L2 player base to not only report but actually take direct action to moderate the servers was a capitulation, a new pact between NCsoft and players that amounts to terms of surrender. For whatever reason they've finally conceded that they had no chance of mitigating the botting, much less winning the war.
We're all GM's now and this wasn't a perfect solution, or even a good solution...but it is where we find ourselves because of the realities that exist on each server. You're upset about legits being casualties...dude welcome to Lineage 2. We've been ****** on since inception.
This thread should be a lesson to all players--be careful what you whine and cry about and what you demand. You just might get it.
The answer for bots is for NCSOFT to do something about them! I understand why they wanted to respond to all the complaining and make players feel better--but I've yet to see anything introduced into this game that couldn't be exploited by someone.
Yup--bots suck. But letting players manipulate the game board to influence other players is not a particularly good idea.
The report a bot button should be just that and NOTHING more. It, in and of itself, should not DO anything other than alert GM's of who to look at for violations.
But seriously, if you are one of the mindless drones who posted 50 million times on these forums about how "bots suck" and how NCSoft should let players be active in fighting them, please summon the intellectual integrity to not complain now about griefing at seiges through the use of the tool you demanded!
Lol-this 'tool' (being generous with the term) has now moved the overall influence of bots from hunting zones and catas onto the seige field--where they used to not be a factor in this way. Good thinking! (lmao)
I already told once and I'll repeate it again. If I'll get any of ''bot'' penalties on me at the same time I'll leave this game and delete it forever. As I see it's just a matter of time before it happens so lets see how others will like this new ''feature''.Imo every legit player who get this should just instantly leave this game for good.
Jacent my friend, regardless of the hopelessness of NCSoft on this issue--that still wouldn't justify a bad answer.
Sometimes no answer is better.
Look at our economy in the US! Some rocket scientists in our Govt (both parties) decided that going into debt to have the govt privatize American industry and finance would "boost the economy" and justified it suggesting we "had to do SOMETHING".....it is getting worse and the real punishment hasn't even started yet! We have managed to implement "ridiculous" in the name of doing something (anything) and actually interferred with recovery.
My argument with bots is that NCSoft has a job to do regarding them. True--they appear to be worthless. But proposing an ill-conceived griefing tool and expanding the negative impact of bots onto the seige field is WORSE than if they'd done nothing.
Just the way I see things. I understand that others don't agree.
Jacent my friend, regardless of the hopelessness of NCSoft on this issue--that still wouldn't justify a bad answer.
Sometimes no answer is better.
Look at our economy in the US! Some rocket scientists in our Govt (both parties) decided that going into debt to have the govt privatize American industry and finance would "boost the economy" and justified it suggesting we "had to do SOMETHING".....it is getting worse and the real punishment hasn't even started yet! We have managed to implement "ridiculous" in the name of doing something (anything) and actually interferred with recovery.
My argument with bots is that NCSoft has a job to do regarding them. True--they appear to be worthless. But proposing an ill-conceived griefing tool and expanding the negative impact of bots onto the seige field is WORSE than if they'd done nothing.
Just the way I see things. I understand that others don't agree.
Well at least this time I agree w/ you 100%. Bots it's way better than penalties such as: no chat(btw lol @ this penalty, why bots should care about chat anywya????), un-able to join party, perma-flagged....
regardless of the hopelessness of NCSoft on this issue--that still wouldn't justify a bad answer.
Sometimes no answer is better.
Okay, THAT is logic I can understand. Just so we're all clear though: I swear to God I will pistol whip the next guy that says, "NCsoft needs to solve this problem." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok85BmPyl_I) It's just never going to happen.
I already told once and I'll repeate it again. If I'll get any of ''bot'' penalties on me at the same time I'll leave this game and delete it forever. As I see it's just a matter of time before it happens so lets see how others will like this new ''feature''.Imo every legit player who get this should just instantly leave this game for good.
As if legits weren't already getting the short end of the stick over the last five years? I'm sorry, but I can see a lot of good reasons for legits to be livid to the point of quiting and this new avenue for abuse isn't even as soul crushing as the knowledge that being legit means that you either:
1. Have no life whatsoever because you have to try to compete with people leveling 24/7 and they have a train that also farms adena and materials for them
or
2. You simply give up on ever being competitive in any shape or form
[ADDED]
I highly recommend #2, it's actually quite fun.
Just wanted to add that all NC has to do is give everyone the right to be able to remove the effects of the ban button. In that way players wrongly reported could remove the effects immediately...bots on the other hand couldn't unless they attended their bots on a regular basis which would defeat the reason to bot.
Too easy for the bot program to remove then. They already can pop pots at certain hp levels, auto-rez each other....getting them to click off a debuff like effect would not be hard.
This feature is more like it to allow players to police their servers and fired some GMs in the process... now the work that used to take 10 GMs to do, can be done by just one person...
Now lets thinks about the penalties you could get if somebody report you just because he/she doesnt like you, which in a sense should have consequences, but the feature wasnt design to punish somebody who is just reporting for the hell of it.
No able to party?
Chat ban?
These two, are more design to hurt legit people than cheaters, will a cheater care if they get a chat ban?... will they care if they are unable to party for one hour?
The answer is simple, no.
Will a legit people care if he is unable to chat or party?
Hell Yes...!
While I consider the bot button shouldnt be ditch just because it can be abused, I believe penalties for getting reported should be review twice and why they were created in the first place... common sense...
In the time it takes for a legit person to click away the "report debuff" a bot will have done it twice and killed another group of mobs.
I agree the chatban thingy is just stupid... I have no idea what 2 bots would say to eachother... "10011010101"?
Also they could disable the "reported state" on siegefields...
Well I have yet to notice the changes of the button... So I cant really say anything else negative/possitive about it...
The idea to click off the report penalty could work thou. Dunno seems a good one to me.
Ya and it would defeat the whole purpose of having a bot button. Also if that was to happen you think a third party software programmer would add the option to auto remove bot debuff? Uh ya.
JUST SIMPLY REMOVE THE STUPID BOT BUTTON AND PROBLEM SOLVED.
Make a command similar to /blockall, only make it block pms from everyone except friends and allies. (and dont block party,clan,allychat)
(no more adena spam, and for heroes no more shout requests from random ppl)
*not that I care about heroes since its been years we had a real hero anyways...
This feature is more like it to allow players to police their servers and fired some GMs in the process... now the work that used to take 10 GMs to do, can be done by just one person...
Now lets thinks about the penalties you could get if somebody report you just because he/she doesnt like you, which in a sense should have consequences, but the feature wasnt design to punish somebody who is just reporting for the hell of it.
No able to party?
Chat ban?
These two, are more design to hurt legit people than cheaters, will a cheater care if they get a chat ban?... will they care if they are unable to party for one hour?
The answer is simple, no.
Will a legit people care if he is unable to chat or party?
Hell Yes...!
While I consider the bot button shouldnt be ditch just because it can be abused, I believe penalties for getting reported should be review twice and why they were created in the first place... common sense...
WTF? Are you serious? Bot button shouldn't be ditched just because it can be abused? That button has been used to abused since it first came out. People would abuse it every where they see a wartarget. Now With the added lethality of Disabling party invite and chat block THERE IS MORE REASON FOR WHY YOU SHOULD ABUSE IT. You Think that because your legit you'll not recieve the penalty? WRONG. I already seen it being used on our wartargets. You can whine and ***** about how bad it is and how you got killed cause of it but TBH its NOW APART OF THE GAME AND IS A SKILL WHICH THEREBY IS CONSIDERED A (IN-GAME MECHANIC) In which no way shape of form is breaking the eula.
It would be good but there's a slight issue with that you still can't report people in a peace zone. Most adena spammers just sit in peace zones and spam away so it makes the button useless in that regard.
Okay, THAT is logic I can understand. Just so we're all clear though: I swear to God I will pistol whip the next guy that says, "NCsoft needs to solve this problem." (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok85BmPyl_I) It's just never going to happen.
As if legits weren't already getting the short end of the stick over the last five years? I'm sorry, but I can see a lot of good reasons for legits to be livid to the point of quiting and this new avenue for abuse isn't even as soul crushing as the knowledge that being legit means that you either:
1. Have no life whatsoever because you have to try to compete with people leveling 24/7 and they have a train that also farms adena and materials for them
or
2. You simply give up on ever being competitive in any shape or form
[ADDED]
I highly recommend #2, it's actually quite fun.
BUT BOTS ALLOW ME TO JOIN PARTY, ALLOW ME TO CHAT AND DOES NOT GIVE ME PERMA FLAGGED CHAR!
This button doesn't that's the reason that every legit player who got hit should instantly quit imo.
If this is the truth, Im sorry it sounds like such a idiotic way to implement something that I even have hard time to think that NC would do this.
But if it is like this even they must get alot of complaining from the korean player base and it will be changed.
Have to say what I read somerwere else, If I would flag or get debuffed for reporting bots and then they would kill ,becuse they report me back, I would laugh so hard at the idiot way om implementing something.
Any system that attempts to do more than attract a GM's attention to a specific player will have lots and lots of flaws. It's after all the GMs job to oversee the game, not the players'
I have a suggestion, at the least, be able to click the penalty OFF. This insures that legit players dont get hit with this!!
As soon as i saw the de-buff i franticly started trying to click it off. It didnt work :D.
Sure and you think they would set in seconds some crap to remove it instantly???
I rly have no idea what appen to your buffer all i know me and some friends reported a bot almost at the same time he got 6 reports and nothing special appen to him, and you can't report from same ip/clan/ally/seige field ...
Unless it was bugged before the downtime last night your buffer was not reported ever in the fortress siege...
If it do that theres a chance to block the alarm on the programs, a lot of ppl should have seen many automated guys around who come to the pc after the toon receive a few hits...
The only bad thing so far i would like to know is if they get perma flagged if theres a system to block them to force log out of game, many of my personal hunts they just logged on 1st hit...
Im totally up for this button thing, specially when i see on the QQ forums ppl happy saying the cheat things are already up for last patch...
Didn't took long to see 1st Gracia Final first bot party running, just hope to not take long to see some more QQ about botters caught.
I don't know and i think Nc should keep that away from any user how that really work, and what else actions they will take on someone reported a lot, but i would love to see them making some checks on those reported toons, specially if they are higher levels, and buffers since they are used to powerlevel many times their newbie farmers.
We can just wonder how much will this botnet service cost. I mean paying to permareport enemy...
It is really simple task to code in comparsion to the fact that bots can efectively grind in high locations.
I think the penalties are design to hurt legit people... and not cheaters...
Chat ban... common up... get real, how is that suppose to hurt a bot?
This button has so many flaws that need to be correct ASAP...
/sarcasim
Oh noes someone is getting close to the truth... I hope he doesn't connect the vitality system, and pot drops and common gear drops to botting.
Sure and you think they would set in seconds some crap to remove it instantly???
I rly have no idea what appen to your buffer all i know me and some friends reported a bot almost at the same time he got 6 reports and nothing special appen to him, and you can't report from same ip/clan/ally/seige field ...
Unless it was bugged before the downtime last night your buffer was not reported ever in the fortress siege...
My buffer was untagged and standing outside of the siege field so she wouldnt loose full % when death. That was the ONLY time my buffer left town since the update, so yes, it did happen there.
Your Claim: using a third party program and not being afk = legit?
what???
No , obviously you cant read what im saying. I dont use third party. My buffer was standing outside of siege grounds, i left the party and i switched to re-invite it. I couldnt. This was after the enemy ran inside to take the fortress. No pof/zerk for our party.
My buffer was untagged and standing outside of the siege field so she wouldnt loose full % when death. That was the ONLY time my buffer left town since the update, so yes, it did happen there.
No , obviously you cant read what im saying. I dont use third party. My buffer was standing outside of siege grounds, i left the party and i switched to re-invite it. I couldnt. This was after the enemy ran inside to take the fortress. No pof/zerk for our party.
(I'M NOT STATING YOU WHERE USING A THIRD PARTY PROGRAM - Read the DEBUFF DESCRIPTION)
Yes I can read. The Point I'm Trying to Get Across is Some Third Party Software Users may watch The screen. IF they had the option to Deselect that "Bot-Debuff" then it was pointless to add the bot button in the first place. In addition, A Third Party Software Programmer will/may adapt there program to these new scenarios and "may" add a "Remove Bot-Debuff" to there program thus rendering that crap useless. SO How effective is it to Allow someone to remove the "Bot-Debuff?" Not Very So Effective.
Also maybe the reason why they block all chat was to stop any type of program that "auto-types" to initiate commands. Or Maybe its because players may have there toon to private message there buffer or vise versa and if that toon receives the correct wording that toon initiates some sort of scripted command. Both cases seem to be the main reason for it.
I think I answered bot the negative and positive sides to all these variables to the bot button. (grrr now I'm having trouble typing "both")
SUSPICION IS THE KEY WORD.
THEREFORE THIS ISN'T ABUSE NOR IS IT AN EXPLOIT.
Examples of suspicion:
(1) I suspect you of botting, so I'm going to flag you.
(2) We Know you bot, but your not botting atm so I'm flagging you.
(3) You don't bot we all know that but who's not to say your using a third party software to obtain radar information or spam cp pots or use illegal "zoom hacks" (modification of your client files - EULA Breech)
(4) You keep saying your legit and you don't bot if that's so Will flag you as a bot just to make sure you are really in fact legit.
So Is it Really Abuse? The answer is NO this isn't abuse this is nothing more than a tool used on suspected players who Might Be cheating in some shape or form whether it be Third Party Software (Botting, Support Programs, Radar Programs, Hardware Devices that have software which enable macros not supported by Lineage II/NcSoft, etc), Hacking (Modification of Client files, Accessing or sharing accounts etc.) or Just simply testing someone to see there reaction, THIS IS NOT ABUSE.
The bot button is there for you to use to flag em and frap em and submit it via Lineage 2 Customer Support in conjunction with other reports validating EULA breeches. Or If you don't believe in banning just keep at it until they give up. But Again THIS IS YOUR TOOL in helping GMs.
I agree being under suspicion of using 3rd party program is not abusing the bot report button, HOWEVER, the "Party participation has been blocked" IS an abuse if the reporter clicks that button to deliberately cause inconvenient to whoever they don't like/ greifing even the ones being reported are not utilizing 3rd party program.
as I said long ago, this bot button isnt there to ban people. It is a tool to calm down the legit people, so that they think ncsoft is going to do something against bots.
now they implemented penalties when you get reported, and guess what, 9 botters vs 1or2 legits, who will win the report-fight? pain in the *** for legits.
we have to realise that ncsoft dont want to do something against bots, look at ***king freeshards... its almost impossible to bot there. and a big company like ncsoft cant handle it? srsly this couldnt be true, and therefor its useless to discuss about this topic.
This game is plagued by bots, cheats and hacks, and there are still mickeys who really believe such a tool will be used correctly. Are you that slow to understand?
If the community was trustworthy to use that tool, bots, cheats and hacks wouldn't be a problem to begin with.
In case it's still not clear : bots and cheaters have the same tool. Why would they suddenly become honest just for that feature?
Helping GM = ok.
This version of the bot report button = stupid.
I want GMs to investigate for the reports I do, because I make mistakes and they are the only authority able to confirm if the suspected character is a bot and deserve to get a permanent ban or is innocent and shouldn't be punish in any way.
Lol Troll Its not abuse when it says:
"YOU ARE UNDER SUSPICION OF USING THIS PROGRAM ILLEGALLY."
SUSPICION IS THE KEY WORD.
THEREFORE THIS ISN'T ABUSE NOR IS IT AN EXPLOIT.
Examples of suspicion:
(1) I suspect you of botting, so I'm going to flag you.
(2) We Know you bot, but your not botting atm so I'm flagging you.
(3) You don't bot we all know that but who's not to say your using a third party software to obtain radar information or spam cp pots or use illegal "zoom hacks" (modification of your client files - EULA Breech)
(4) You keep saying your legit and you don't bot if that's so Will flag you as a bot just to make sure you are really in fact legit.
I dont quite get your logic...if everybody is under suspicion then the button is useless, especially if a gm has to take the time to check every single person on the server because everybody is flagged "just to make sure you are really in fact legit".
Most bots I have seen in the ares I'm in dont need pof..etc so if the pp ends up out of party it wont affect them at all.
...and are 2 way wartags still not reportable so SC450 wouldnt your macro fail most of the time anyway unless they have flagged buffers?
Actually I think you should put your toon name and server down so everybody can report you since if you bot you are on points 1 and 2 and if not you are on 3 and 4 and should be checked out. I'd make a toon on your server to do that :)
I Will be canceling all my accounts until this is corrected as I know others will be to. I was out on IoP yesterday running through the middle to get to Chromatic Highland and wasn't even attacking, buffers on AF and all the sudden my buffer is flagged and can't join group. No attacking mobs or anything just running. Other Clannie was in CH Afk for hours and he was reported while in CH for being a bot and couldn't private chat with anyone. This is a feature that is completely useless except harassing people. Use it against your enemies get there buffers flagged and can't join for Buffs like Holy Weapon/Zerg/PoF. I have a Divine 150 Bow and use Zerg/Holy Weapon on every buff round and not being able to join my PP that SITS IN A **** CORNER not on AF because some *****hat reported me for running through somewhere is stupid as hell. Get rid of it or you will lose alot of people. Have the GM do there darn job and patron and ban bots not this crap. Your giving us the power to do something because you don't want to keep the GM staff where it should be to properly patrol the servers. Real smart idea that is like handing over Mini GM power to everyone.
The amount of ppl that stands around and stares at my 4 box, is starting to annoy me. Especially since morons cant tell the difference between someone boxing and someone botting.
The amount of ppl that stands around and stares at my 4 box, is starting to annoy me. Especially since morons cant tell the difference between someone boxing and someone botting.
apparently more than 1 box= your a bot, didnt you know?
The possibility of multi-boxing seems low w/o a bot program...
I can effective box 3 toons as long as I'm not spamming heals. Like with Sagi/PP/SE its easy. Buff with PP *don't switch over for 19 mins*, kill, *if heals needed, but most of the time not because of pts* switch while attacking heal and use recharge macro. Pretty simple but obviously people can't tell the diffrence. Easiest way to tell is if your running and you click to the right your buffers will run ahead of you if your botting while Auto Follow they will stay behind you. Pretty simple to tell but its really to much for some brain dead people. Like I said people are using the button to abuse it and be ******ed more then use it because people are botting. Its the new grief way like buffing people's mobs with Holy Weapon in WoA while they are killing it back in interlude.
Lol Troll Its not abuse when it says:
"YOU ARE UNDER SUSPICION OF USING THIS PROGRAM ILLEGALLY."
SUSPICION IS THE KEY WORD.
THEREFORE THIS ISN'T ABUSE NOR IS IT AN EXPLOIT.
Examples of suspicion:
(1) I suspect you of botting, so I'm going to flag you.
(2) We Know you bot, but your not botting atm so I'm flagging you.
(3) You don't bot we all know that but who's not to say your using a third party software to obtain radar information or spam cp pots or use illegal "zoom hacks" (modification of your client files - EULA Breech)
(4) You keep saying your legit and you don't bot if that's so Will flag you as a bot just to make sure you are really in fact legit.
So Is it Really Abuse? The answer is NO this isn't abuse this is nothing more than a tool used on suspected players who Might Be cheating in some shape or form whether it be Third Party Software (Botting, Support Programs, Radar Programs, Hardware Devices that have software which enable macros not supported by Lineage II/NcSoft, etc), Hacking (Modification of Client files, Accessing or sharing accounts etc.) or Just simply testing someone to see there reaction, THIS IS NOT ABUSE.
The bot button is there for you to use to flag em and frap em and submit it via Lineage 2 Customer Support in conjunction with other reports validating EULA breeches. Or If you don't believe in banning just keep at it until they give up. But Again THIS IS YOUR TOOL in helping GMs.
You sir have to be one of the most ******ed people I've ever seen post here. If you are SITTING IN TOWN or FORTRESS and are reported IT IS ABUSE OF THE BUTTON. If you buffer is sitting in a corner and stands once every 20 minutes to buff you and run back and sit after those buffs are done with a macro then it is ABUSE. Learn WTF your talking about before you even start talking and I've been reported on my buffer while it was sitting and never saw that little icon on my screen. So **** and learn the game before you go talking.
R3dD3vil Other Clannie was in CH Afk for hours and he was reported while in CH for being a bot and couldn't private chat with anyone. QUOTE]
Hummm....you couldn't report from town before....can you now? And are you saying someone happened to know that your clannie was in your clan hall and reported him without seeing him. What did the guy do... use /target to report? Sounds way wierd.
I know people use automated shot crafting in CH while taking advantage of CH mp boost but how could the guy tell your clannie was in there?
The possibility of multi-boxing seems low w/o a bot program...
You are totally wrong, I play 3 toons all the time.
The prophet has buff macros, so just click the name in the party hit the macro, done till hes done buffing.
My SE healer has macro to target me, I have heals in the hot bar, I also use group heal. I also have a recharge macro. If someone in the party is mainly tanking I keep the SE targetting them.
and on my bd i am dancing hexing and attacking....
If I start 4 boxing it gets a bit harder, but 3 boxing is really easy...
Does all this bot report thing resets from time to time? Is clear you will get a penalty if you get a certain number of reports but if it never refresh will end up in like show up on the siege field get 1/2 reports and you get a penalty.
The possibility of multi-boxing seems low w/o a bot program...
I can 5 to 6 box effectively (in pve, definiately not pvp tho) with 3 computers/laptops, thx to the in-game macro system. If there wasn't a macro system in game, then yes the possibility of multi-boxing is lower but still possible legitly.
The possibility of multi-boxing seems low w/o a bot program...
Huh? Is it that hard to buff yourself every set period of time, and just have it stand there? Making a Dance Macro that lasts a few minutes, and only need to hit that button 2 or 3 times a Buff round? ... I mean, Boxing is not that hard...
Agreed, I am lucky enough to have 3 computers on my desk. I can run my PP/SE easily this way, no need for any automated program. Sometimes I don't even need in-game macros. Just target the SE on me after buffing and if I need a heal, hit the key for heal.
The possibility of multi-boxing seems low w/o a bot program...
Have you ever try to create a macro? Base on your statement, I will say not you havent, you probably dont even know you can create one, you probably dont even understand what boxing means and you are a newbie who have never pvp at all.
Please next time you make a stupid comment like that, think twice before posting.
I agree being under suspicion of using 3rd party program is not abusing the bot report button, HOWEVER, the "Party participation has been blocked" IS an abuse if the reporter clicks that button to deliberately cause inconvenient to whoever they don't like/ greifing even the ones being reported are not utilizing 3rd party program.
The Reason why Participation has been blocked is because third party programs can "auto-detect" buffs hp/mp etc. If it was a buffer per say not able to enter in party would mean the buffer (being on third party) wouldn't know when to heal or recharge.
The developer of the bot button Knows every angle of how bots/hackers/account sharers operate they wouldn't just make a script that didn't do anything. But again this script is flawed and can be used against anyone legit or not.
Think of the bot button as a "Broad Spectrum" antidote.
The Reason why Participation has been blocked is because third party programs can "auto-detect" buffs hp/mp etc. If it was a buffer per say not able to enter in party would mean the buffer (being on third party) wouldn't know when to heal or recharge.
The developer of the bot button Knows every angle of how bots/hackers/account sharers operate they wouldn't just make a script that didn't do anything. But again this script is flawed and can be used against anyone legit or not.
Think of the bot button as a "Broad Spectrum" antidote.
Bots dont need to be in party to detect buffs. Nice try though. They didnt consider any angels. Originally players are reporting bots, and after months and months of getting auto-mated responses and seeing the same bots in the same spots, people dont give a ****. Rather than NCsoft patrol their server, theyve added a tool that actually greifs a player, whether its a bot or not. There could be a GM not online X server while some guy bot or not is sitting there getting abused to hell. This is just a very very stupid idea through and through. While I agree with others that NCSoft is very ignorant to their community, I believe this will be changed due to the fact that you can interrupt EVERY SINGLE RAID/SIEGE scenario in game with this. It will destroy, a lot. It will get changed, its just a matter of time until common sense wanders back into NCSoft. Common Sense visits very infrequently though. :(
Before every major siege/raid, have everyone in your clan login an alt (non tagged ofc) and report the overlords in the other clan, the clan leader, etc... watch that major lulz unfold
Before every major siege/raid, have everyone in your clan login an alt (non tagged ofc) and report the overlords in the other clan, the clan leader, etc... watch that major lulz unfold
Hence why I'm done till this is fixed because its a grief tool not a tool against bots but a actual grief tool. If they wanted us to help them fight bots then they could use the botting and send a GM to investigate those reports. But I'll be darned if I've ever seen more then 1 GM online when there are 14 petitions and it takes 3 hours to get a responce and its a **** AUTOMATED RESPONCE after 3 hours you have to be kidding me. It took that GM to get through 13 other petitions and auto respond to mine 3 hours later? NO WAY!!
I dual box rather efficently 3 box eh i can handle but I perfer just the dual
Ive got a recharge macro on my se as well
/target
/useshortcut
ect
ect
ect
/target (to replace auto follow)
Yeah I move around on my SH sub as Im recharging my se out of party she got reported earler and couldnt even recharge. I found out who did it and reported them back on thier se. they pmed me and say wtf. all I said was, next time make sure its a bot your acully reporting... after that we lvled in the same spot with no problems.
though this is gonna become a huge headache. I can see where this is gonna get abused to the max and almost to the point of Exploit.
IMO the bot button should put in an auto petion to the gms with the names, but eh Im guessing thats too hard for NcSoft to handel....GG.
Well Me and a friend were doing some alliance quest farming in ketra, where i saw a bot train of a full party, all full rec on their names. I reported the many as i could. My friend did it to.
Later on the same day, we still saw them running around like nothing happend. I am wondering..does the new system really work?
It is a shame it has come to this, something to allow US the players to help police the servers we play on, but that is human nature, can`t beat them cheat.
The largest problem is the lack of support from ncwest, it is not our job to police the servers, we are the paying customer, NOT AN EMPLOYEE.
So many games are relying on a futile struggle of programming. Game programmers change code bot programmers change code, it is a vicious circle and a NO WIN situation.
I have said it before and i will say it til the day i stop playing mmo`s YOU CANNOT CHEAT/BOT AROUND A SET OF HUMAN EYES WATCHING YOU, BUT YOU CAN CHEAT/BOT AROUND CODE.
If each game company hired 2-4 full time police gm`s that did nothing except ghost around the servers looking for bots you would see a drastic change.
If each GM was given the tools neccessary to do there job AND once proven BAN THE WHOLE ACCT, NOT JUST THAT CHAR, you would see the bot problem disappear very soon.
Bot programming is a business, i would not be surprised if the bot programmers aren`t making more money from there bot programs then ncwest is, once you take into consideration servers, bandwidth, maintance, and employees.
Currently it is a power and money struggle between the bot programmers and the game programmers, and regretabuly the bot programmers are winning.
Any sort of power that is given to players is bound to be abused in any (and every) possible way. I think this holds true for most games but even more so for the players of Lineage 2.
We cannot be trusted with this. ****, we couldn't even manage to have a rep system on the boards without ******* it all up...and that had no bearing at all on the game.
These new "features" when abused properly (already see it happening) will be game changing, and not in a good way. Any person that has logged in and actually played the ******* game and has even half a brain should be able to see that.
If the strategy here is lose a few innocent players for the good of the playerbase as a whole then shame on you. That is dirty pool.
~I should add that I think the drama this button will/is creating is just delicious~
I report any1 that seem to be using any third part program just that
Its not my job to check if that player is using it or not, but i bet 95% of my reports are right, if the bot report button need to be checked to work better thats Nc problem too, at least im happy to not have to try type IlIlIlIllI all the time...
For me what really Nc should do is take a week IG with all GM crew and **** Ban all they can starting from the Higher levels, all cry in QQ Forum they quit if Gm's ban them, they quit cause game is dead and the only crap that kill the game is their behavior, they just have no guts to do anything, when ppl start to get close to them they cry for no lvl boost and then switch servers to say again "OMG im so good player" then story repeat...
If Gm's dont do that instead of blame on forum all the time go to the **** game, log all in alts untagged and mass report all bots u find, then you can tell anything about the bot button, just go and report them all!
had no idea the report bot button did that, personally i thought it just allowed the GM's to receive a name in their list of reported people and then they have names they can observe over a day and then convict em and ban em. etc.
Do i see this as a problem yes and No, do i want to be able to destroy a bot before my eyes and make them weep automated digitized tears!!! yes!!!! but would it be cool if im leaning back in my chair killing monsters or as stated earlier in some sort of huge pvp setting and suddenly can no longer be in my party or get flagged for being suspected as a bot, heck no it would not be cool. not cool at all. tons of suggestions for this problem, most leaning towards remove it. But wait, then what about people complaining about the bot problem? you reap what you sew everyone. You say Bots are the number 1 Issue, u got a fast and effective Button, as best L2 devs could come up with to counter the bot problem, suddenly the bot problem takes a back seat cause now its completely backfired. Is it fair? life isnt fair, was it intended to backfire like this, prolly not. But what do you want? a minor annoyance that interupts you for one hour that can be fixed by talking to a GM or a major persisting problem cause the bot prosecution process got way way worst.
I suggested this for one game so ill suggest it for this game, Make a small CATCHPHA(is that what its called?) window popup in the corner of the game screen AT RANDOM TIMES and have it so that there is a time limit to enter this randomly generated catchpha phrase i say 15 minute time frame seems good, anyone who doesnt answer it gets booted off the game and has to relog. this system can be bypassed byhaving a store open for a minimum of 10 minutes, so that smart bot groups cant just walk around setting up shops and unsetting them as they walk. the bot button can STAY, if you are flagged under suspicion, u can click to remove it, enter a CATCHPHA and bam bot button flag is removed, and bot programs will have a very difficult time with the randomly generated catchpha's.
AND once proven BAN THE WHOLE ACCT, NOT JUST THAT CHAR,
you drunk?
Not at all Leon, its a plain simple fact if you are cought with one char on an acct that whole acct should be banned, plain and simple.
Why should someone be allowed to keep other chars on an acct that had a botted char?
So they can bot again, they have allready proven they break the eula so why should they be allowed to keep there acct.
Not at all Leon, its a plain simple fact if you are cought with one char on an acct that whole acct should be banned, plain and simple.
Why should someone be allowed to keep other chars on an acct that had a botted char?
So they can bot again, they have allready proven they break the eula so why should they be allowed to keep there acct.
Ban them all, let death sort them out!!!!!
um, I may be off my rocker here, but as far as I know, they can't ban just one character on an account. Friend of mine got a 3 day ban once, thanks to a clannie playing games with his title. He had 6 toons on that account, he could not play any of them for those 3 days, because his account had the 3 day ban....not the toon.
I dont see any abuse. Why? I reported with a friend of mine a full bot party with full rec names in ketra..we reported them twice...guess what..next day they still were there just like nothing happend. So no, no abuse is taken by this button..lets just say the button dont work like it should in gracia final. It just report bots just like before.
I dont see any abuse. Why? I reported with a friend of mine a full bot party with full rec names in ketra..we reported them twice...guess what..next day they still were there just like nothing happend. So no, no abuse is taken by this button..lets just say the button dont work like it should in gracia final. It just report bots just like before.
The abuse is by reporting legit players, chat ban and unable to party only hurts a legit player, reporting real bots does nothing but we already know that sadly.
The abuse is by reporting legit players, chat ban and unable to party only hurts a legit player, reporting real bots does nothing but we already know that sadly.
if the bot train has a BD, SwS or WC you should target and report them. it will hurt them more than having a healer out of party.
well i just loged my warlock i use in hb and i use to spy there also so some time i just leave it loged in there for hours at a time and i just got a chat ban and tells me im uner supiction of illiagale prorgram use this is just bs
don't forget that you can only report 1 bot ever 30 minutes and maximum 7 bots per day per account you have.
yep .. thats the best bot protection NC ever made. Last Chronicle you could at last report a full train .. (ok, was sensless too, but i was feeling better then ^^) .. Now you can yust report one before moving on to look for a free spot :)
haha considering that 90% of this lame community cheats its quite funny to see posts like omg remove it it can harm legit players
haha show me one legit hero
show me one legit top pvp clan
so i guess it will hit the right ppl
dunno how the reports work but hope they work like this u have some kind of top 100 any report marks the name
if u have enough marks to reach the top 10 u get a hgmspam visit ;)
who gets hurt by this no question high profile player but if the high profile player on a GM visit has nothing to fear..........doubtful but imaginable
btw lamest community ever guess alone 60% here is this thread isnt as legit as they sell themselves
btw who will abuse it top clan vs topclan on sieges raids so who cares cheaters report cheaters muhahahaha any side uses hide radar walker so why shouldnt they play with a bot button on themself
haha considering that 90% of this lame community cheats its quite funny to see posts like omg remove it it can harm legit players
haha show me one legit hero
show me one legit top pvp clan
so i guess it will hit the right ppl
dunno how the reports work but hope they work like this u have some kind of top 100 any report marks the name
if u have enough marks to reach the top 10 u get a hgmspam visit ;)
who gets hurt by this no question high profile player but if the high profile player on a GM visit has nothing to fear..........doubtful but imaginable
btw lamest community ever guess alone 60% here is this thread isnt as legit as they sell themselves
btw who will abuse it top clan vs topclan on sieges raids so who cares cheaters report cheaters muhahahaha any side uses hide radar walker so why shouldnt they play with a bot button on themself
The most lame person posting here crap like this is you.
He actually has his point... Though I don't agree 100% with him/her... he's some kind right. Don't act as if what he said is new information... pleeeease.
Personally I am ****** about this situation. This and the reactivation of all accounts "in good standing". What is good standing? On Phoenix known botters are back? So is in good standing simply that your method of payment is still good?
Was down in Disciples cata trying to find an open room. Could only report one bot. No rooms were open as usual. Went to Dark Omens and finally found one open room way in the back because it didnt connect to an adjoining room close enough for bots. Couldnt report any of the bots there because I was still under the 30 minute penalty.
Some fix we have. Before it was a useless button that didnt do any good. Now it is a useless button that people can use for griefing. Now the bots are back because their credit card is still good.
The most lame person posting here crap like this is you.
did i say something that isnt the truth ?
have u ever played other mmorpgs with a commnity like this that tolerate cheating in every way ?
come on smittie what heRRo hasnt u seen botting in the last years or those uniqum guys they r alltime afk
dont act like i would say **** its fact that the big majority of this community is too lame to accept this game is meant for years and having top stuff is really hard work and takes time
iam pretty sure the bot button wont hit me ;)
and to smittie prolly means i cant look on my clannies monitor so i can never be 100% sure
did i say something that isnt the truth ?
have u ever played other mmorpgs with a commnity like this that tolerate cheating in every way ?
come on smittie what heRRo hasnt u seen botting in the last years or those uniqum guys they r alltime afk
dont act like i would say **** its fact that the big majority of this community is too lame to accept this game is meant for years and having top stuff is really hard work and takes time
iam pretty sure the bot button wont hit me ;)
he got a point
the majority of the L2 community cheats and they aren't afraid to shout it out ingame and only a handfull of the players that posts in these forums are truly legit following the EULA and doing things the way it's meant to be done by the developers.
Maybe have the button revised so where you hit the button on them (bot) so they have to confirm manually before the time runs out before they get flagged. If you hit ok then no flag but automated programs could have a way to have this auto confirm. So there would have to be a way around that so they have to put in a code like they do on most websites to block spam.
I dont see any abuse. Why? I reported with a friend of mine a full bot party with full rec names in ketra..we reported them twice...guess what..next day they still were there just like nothing happend. So no, no abuse is taken by this button..lets just say the button dont work like it should in gracia final. It just report bots just like before.
You are a liar. You can't report people twice in one day and you can't report an entire train because you do not have 9 report "credits". It also takes a mandatory 3 hours to use up all your "reports". Another non-post by a non-player pretending there is nothing wrong.
Looks like we're stuck with this dam button. Spam is gone so he won't be able to rip out the code with his bare hands.
Yeah isn't that interesting... but hey, I'm sure a guy with 5 years of head gm support is gravely needed in aion, a game that won't be released for another 5 months. Oh well, it wasn't the first time he lied to us. I'm more concerned about all the magical pixie and unicorn promises we got from the last community "team" that will be forgotten as the new team "readjusts" for a month while doing such arduous tasks like moving their stuff down the hall to the lineage 2 cubicles.
Already it looks like the new boss is the same as the old boss. Did kinson die and take the webserver password to his grave? Why hasn't the news been updated, at the very least!?