at least some of the ppl I used to see botting in HS are gone.. not sure if they got the hammer or just moved to the next spot (and my guess would be the second option)...
martyrs as well plz ty , i wish i could lvl there but yet everyday no matter what time i go to check that martyrs is always full of ansalnd324u32
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i am trying to get Dante back into busyness sweety , he wont be as strong as all those lv 79+ titan botters but i gona try to **** ""some"" in oly here and then
to my new one , yeah i was thinking if i stay without anyone knowning the char then i might be better lvling without trouble which worked out pretty good :>
anyways , almost noblesse , just a couple more free days and i be there
My favorite Varka bot train has not been seen for a few days now. I had no idea there were so many mobs in Varka, without bots it actually looks like a place to XP instead of a place to steal a mob on occasion from trains.
I actually had no idea that the place could hold so many mobs, they look packed in.
I have seen some bots there, but one train in particular seems to force log as soon as I stand next to (and target) the leader, which is serious lulz.
If this is SPAM's parting gift, I thank him. If this is the new team takin' care of bidnezz, I have my credit card out to re-subscribe.
If this is the new team takin' care of bidnezz, I have my credit card out to re-subscribe.
Found out that an ex-clannie got banned during the wipeout. But he's never botted, never bought adena, and has only ever played on his main. I mean level 63 after two and a half years, still wearing his blue wolf with a newly crafted elysian. He didn't have a buffer, and never complained about not having a lot.
He went to log in today and couldn't. He talked to support and they said he was banned for third party software. Not it's not my toon, so I suppose I shouldn't be bringing this up. But if a player isn't botting, doesn't buy adena, and has had a running subscription for over two years, one would think that the GM's are banning too many players.
But upon running through varka, hotsprings, woa, blazing swamp, and the catacombs again, I still see bot trains all over. And those are just the ones I ran into while searching for wartags.
So perhaps we can try to petition the GM's to ban real botters, and not ban live players?
I don't know, maybe I'm crazy. But finding out a legit player got banned bothers me, the fact that it was a friend bothers me even more. Can't even talk to a GM live ingame, much less get a straight answer via the support site.
I have seen some bots there, but one train in particular seems to force log as soon as I stand next to (and target) the leader, which is serious lulz.
there's a couple of bots running around HS (guess doing that tat recs quest) everyday.. hopefully will get to the time where they force log just from me targeting them soon too :)
The horrible thing that I herard is that the GMs are just watching the players and not even making sure they are live. Heard that one player was talking in Shout while Hunting in Garden of Beast and well it must be a hard area to hunt in if you can't talk out loud in shouts...
I do think they need to understand that ppl know how to double click a mob fight and chat at same time.
The GM didn't even say hi to him...
I think the banning are great as long as the real bots have been banned but as far as I am willing to be happy about it the New GMs need to understand that if you don't have proof you can't ban a player just because you want to show you are doing your job.
The real players have paid money to play this game and put so many real life hours into the game that it is a real freaking shame that GMs just got ban happy...
Then the GMs won't even hear clannies ou tthat know this player very well or even other players that have know the player.
Watch out because the next ban might be you don't be to happy about these recent bans. :o
and thank you GMs for at least trying to ban bots but please more proof about it and yes alot of have tried to talk to you in game about certain ppl being banned but you say you will only talk to the banney so hear is my voice... so all can hear
Firstly gratz on S grade.
Secondly, why doesn't the person who got banned email, or even phone ncsoft to clear things out? It is logical that NCsoft will speak only to the person who got banned, as the discussion will propably have to include personal information which they can't share with anyone else but the owner of the account.
I have read in l2b.l.a.h. some people got their accounts back after being wrongfully banned. So if your friend has done nothing wrong, my opinion is he should try to get his account back. Writing in the forums will not help him much, except if maybe he writes himself a complain thread. But contacting NCsoft directly is his best bet.
Not sure if you are speaking of the same person I was. But if you are then when I talked to them today, they said even if they got their account back, they probably wouldn't be playing anymore.
They are really ****** to get banned "when bots aren't punished"
I've seen this happen before sadly.., wrongfully accusing players of using 3rd party software while they didn't :/
**** sloppy and a shame they haven't learned from their past mistakes! :(
HS had 5 small /medium size parties again, including a duo Tank+PP with the typical psdpfsad names we all love xD... and they weren't even deep and hiding, but killing just by the tents, close to the normal GK spot :(... guess it was a bad idea to mention the place was clear xD... hopefully the reporting will work
My friend got his account back but you know what they told him they did...
They study him for 13 minutes and did very suddle things like clicked him off his target...
And because he didn't respond to them in a timely fashion because he was watching television at the same time he was play because the grid can be tidious they said he did the amazing.
he would have a target clicked and started to hit the target and be for the target was dead he would have another mob targeted because you don't switch mobs until you hi the attack button...
So for all you who ARE legit pay more attention to the little things because these new gms are not like Spam they don't make sure you see the obivious... like little bunnies the McyD's sign or transfer you to a new place...
they are being kind of sneeky about their banning now...
They study him for 13 minutes and did very suddle things like clicked him off his target...
this sounds like bot-pong to me... i.e. you target the mob your suspected bot is running to and see what he does.. if he runs close to the mob, pauses and then run to next one (whitout you showing any intention of actually attacking this target), then that its almost enough proof to me...
i do switch targets before killing finishing a mob, but doing so, whilst watching telly its kind of hard.. and specially do so, but at the same time not responding on a 'timely' fashion (13 mins is more than enough to say 'hi' even if you're killing and watching telly)...
i dont know.. i know you believe your friend, but things dont seem to match... if he indeed is a legit player, good he got his acct back.. but hopefully he's not also lying to you
NO they didn't click the mob to see if he ran away they made his target be un targeted so that he had to retarget the the mob.
I also know alot of player who don't watch their text when gridding so this can be true just because you don't respond doesn't mean you are botting. I tend to do it at time but my text is made to be seperated to certain screens so that much doesnt pass me because if you have all the chat and your actions in the one box who scrolls back to see everything to make sure someone was talking to them?
NO they didn't click the mob to see if he ran away they made his target be un targeted so that he had to retarget the the mob.
I also know alot of player who don't watch their text when gridding so this can be true just because you don't respond doesn't mean you are botting. I tend to do it at time but my text is made to be seperated to certain screens so that much doesnt pass me because if you have all the chat and your actions in the one box who scrolls back to see everything to make sure someone was talking to them?
OK.. i understand... i dont know why would they get the mob untargeted.. i cant think of a single scenario where that could be proof of botting... i mean, if that happens to me, i'd just think bah, missed it, target it again and keep on going... even if you stop attacking a mob, him attacking you will make you target it again...
and as for the text.. yes, i also have my screens splitted so dmg and messages are shown in different windows.. but if you have everything together, then you can easily miss someone talking to you at any point... and even if then, if you have shouts/hero/market/etc disabled (like me XD) then you might not even see the text
That is the best advise for your friend. Have him split his windows so he can see text and not loose it in all the damage messages that flash by.
I too am glad that he got his account back ... if he is telling you the truth.
I also agree with Biggs on this too ... the botters out in the cats are so blatant that it is almost obscene. It would be nice if the GM's swept the high level areas and catas/necros on a semi regular basis.
I also agree with Biggs on this too ... the botters out in the cats are so blatant that it is almost obscene. It would be nice if the GM's swept the high level areas and catas/necros on a semi regular basis.
Its sad that you could almost just hit the "ban all in cata" button. I haven't been able to get a room to solo/duo for a long time.
Its sad that you could almost just hit the "ban all in cata" button. I haven't been able to get a room to solo/duo for a long time.
Same here :s Been a hassle to even be able to keep your room...The bots just go bardging in and steal your room. I had one who actually bloody heck hit my mob while I was pooling the pull in a corner :(
Anyways as for text reading, I agree with what's said by Seyia/Tops.
I often don't see shout or general chat cause I have unabled those options on the Trade, Party, Clan and Ally tabs. It's cluttering enough in general but when I'm out grinding the only chatter that interests me is my alliance not the general idiocy you can read in general tab. and even if I check the general tab I'm not wasting time to drag all the way up to see if I missed something.
So I'll not see anyone shouting or typing in white text. Even PM's are set to one tab window only and I agree that the split tab to see damages only is handy to keep the window tab from being too much cluttered.
ANyways the goal of the detargetting beats me what purpose it could serve or what it would prove considering everyone just retargets their unfinished mob.
I also agree with Biggs on this too ... the botters out in the cats are so blatant that it is almost obscene. It would be nice if the GM's swept the high level areas and catas/necros on a semi regular basis.
Its sad that you could almost just hit the "ban all in cata" button. I haven't been able to get a room to solo/duo for a long time.
Not only hight lvl catas... I was starting a new sub a few days ago and went to pilgrims and branded and Oh surprise!! first rooms in branded all taken by boats.. move on to pilgrims and Oh surprise again!! all deep rooms taken by boats, and with noobie bufs, they dont even a group, a single dorf was able to keep the room clear :(... i ended up staying at a bit lower room (for a lvl 40 its ok, lite blue and mostly greem mobs) and reporting the bots as they ran in back to 'their' rooms...
the main problem is, since these are all scripted bots, if you actually pk them, they just go back to town, get buffed again and run all the way back!!! you dont even have time to get the karma down and they're already stealing your mobs again!!! it so frustrating it really makes me feel like logging out and do something else (i'm sure the wife will be extremely happy the day bots finally make me cancel my accounts)
just saw a toon in Goddard WH named <self-edited> (or something similar to that) and its clear to me (by his equipment and the fact he didnt change his title or anything) that's he's the bot I've been seeing in hot springs all these days.. he had a fasdfasd name, that's he's changed now, but since the name change list hasnt been updated in who knows how long, I couldnt confirm it... he's now tagged in a clan (was a vagabond be4) that seems to have loads of toons on S80 armor (guess that's from their botting in HB too?)
I know I'm making loads of assumptions.. but if i've been bot button him for days, and even after submitting a name change request, nothing is done... makes me really wanna quit this game
well ena , to make u feel a lil better , the gm`s were online today and cleared a couple spots , so we might can enjoy some spots once in a while again till new dhkasjhfasdkla get to the spots we would like to xp in
well ena , to make u feel a lil better , the gm`s were online today and cleared a couple spots , so we might can enjoy some spots once in a while again till new dhkasjhfasdkla get to the spots we would like to xp in
the problem is they only do that when they feel its time to throw us a cookie to calm us down and then they just let it all start again... i really wonder... how hard would it be to, once a day, run thru all the lower level exping spots plus one high lvl spot (assuming you're working on an 8hr shift) and ban the bots there... it will clear the places for those with high lvl toons, and prevent new bots from even achieving high lvls...
the problem is they only do that when they feel its time to throw us a cookie to calm us down and then they just let it all start again... i really wonder... how hard would it be to, once a day, run thru all the lower level exping spots plus one high lvl spot (assuming you're working on an 8hr shift) and ban the bots there... it will clear the places for those with high lvl toons, and prevent new bots from even achieving high lvls...
Well, they announced the two new GM's a few weeks back. Let's say they both work Monday - Friday for 8 hours a day. That gives them 1 hour each per the 8 servers to go around and clean house. Seems to me to be more than enough time to get the point out there that botting is not going to be tolerated anymore.
Well, they announced the two new GM's a few weeks back. Let's say they both work Monday - Friday for 8 hours a day. That gives them 1 hour each per the 8 servers to go around and clean house. Seems to me to be more than enough time to get the point out there that botting is not going to be tolerated anymore.
if there's only 2 GMs, then its obvious to me after reading your response that an 8hr day wouldnt be enough to clean the servers... I do think tho there are more than just 2 of them... at least you could guess that from the different automated responses you get ingame. anyhow... the problem could be then a serious understaffed service that cant cope with the bots, sad.
Let's not talk about bots anymore, we know they're there, the GM's know they are there. Why they don't ban the farmers, none of us know or understand. But talking about it on here isn't going to change anything.
I mean GM's still give the cut/paste answer to GM petitions. If they can't spare the time to PM with you for 30 seconds about your problem, then they need more staff.
When a GM finally shows and can take a clan leader on a merry tour to show him banning his clannies right in front of his eyes.
Man, HI_LAR_E_OUS
For more comedy value, make sure the GM skips banning the random names that don't react to his presence.
If you want a cherry on the top of the comedy sundae, make sure no other clans get a ban...
Good times.
Banning TabbiMae in 1..2..
Actually I think that issue has been cleared up, although I wish more of that story was available to you than what was posted. Unfortunately, that isn't up to me.
Also remember, that the GMs have more to do than removing bots from the servers. Those same GMs that do all that bot hunting are the same GMs that investigate the bugs you guys report, investigate the recovery of pets and items people lose, investigate reports of accounts being "hacked", as well as various other jobs.
And remember we have 8 servers to do all that on as well as bot hunting when those queues are low enough to allow us to do so. BTW - I will say that before that incident you mentioned occurred Tabbi, I banned 203 bots prior(this included RMT bans linked to some of those bots, so it was about 100-110 bots in game), and then another 20 after that incident(that's all I had time for before I had to head home). Oh and one of those other new GMs hit up 134 bots on Sayha as well. All of which were in Catacombs (specifically, Branded, Dark Omens, Witches, and another, I just don't remember which it was).
Peace Out!
GM Vagabond
(AKA - GMShark, GMSandbar, GMMako *get it they are all types of sharks* -NOM NOM BOT HEADS-)
Actually I think that issue has been cleared up, although I wish more of that story was available to you than what was posted. Unfortunately, that isn't up to me.
Also remember, that the GMs have more to do than removing bots from the servers. Those same GMs that do all that bot hunting are the same GMs that investigate the bugs you guys report, investigate the recovery of pets and items people lose, investigate reports of accounts being "hacked", as well as various other jobs.
And remember we have 8 servers to do all that on as well as bot hunting when those queues are low enough to allow us to do so. BTW - I will say that before that incident you mentioned occurred Tabbi, I banned 203 bots prior(this included RMT bans linked to some of those bots, so it was about 100-110 bots in game), and then another 20 after that incident(that's all I had time for before I had to head home). Oh and one of those other new GMs hit up 134 bots on Sayha as well. All of which were in Catacombs (specifically, Branded, Dark Omens, Witches, and another, I just don't remember which it was).
Peace Out!
GM Vagabond
(AKA - GMShark, GMSandbar, GMMako *get it they are all types of sharks* -NOM NOM BOT HEADS-)
There is always more to the story, that is universally true. What do I know about it? Virtually nothing except that some people that I was allied with were botting, people that I didn't think were cheats actually were. In no way was I saying that you shouldn't ban the toon you find cheating or was I challenging your assessment of these cheaters.
Ban the cheats, no matter where that leads you.
Read my previous postings, if you are interested and have the time. You might find it interesting...
It does seem odd that only 1 clan (and perhaps another clan in same ally) was singled out. I guess my 20+ years as a game developer hasn't taught me enough about the policing of large game systems.
As for the catas, I will say that last night I was in Necro Sacrifice and it was dead empty. I ran from room to room without seeing a single bot. Nice. Maybe bots don't stay in their 20's long enough to clog that spot. I haven't been in that low of an area in a very very long time so I don't know if there ever was a problem there. My thoughts while noticing this were that it was sure a fantastic use of a limited resource to clear out this place where nobody wants to play. Again, I must not understand the inner workings of large game systems.
Getting on a higher level toon, I see that there still are bots in all the usual places. Tagged bots, entire clans that are well known to be nothing but a series of accounts with bots running 24/7 so that a few morons can be "uber" and cause the few legits in the game grief. Then again, maybe these soon-to-be heroes are just out "grinding" in order to get the levels required. Those hard working, yet unresponsive, "players" don't let anything get in the way of their ultimate goals. Sometimes I wish I could have the dedication and stamina to grind in the same spot for days at a time without even potty breaks.
I know your time is limited and the staff has "better things to do", which is why I find this situation so odd. With all those items on your plate, you can find the time to take an IS mystery banning tour with the clan leader in tow and clear out a place that a legit player hasn't spent much time in since C3.
I have been (and will continue to be) one of the biggest cheerleaders for the GMs. I know the job is hard and thankless, especially when you aren't allowed by corporate decree to show your successes to the whining masses. But I have to tell you that this has made it very hard for me to continue the positive attitude.
Then again, maybe these soon-to-be heroes are just out "grinding" in order to get the levels required. Those hard working, yet unresponsive, "players" don't let anything get in the way of their ultimate goals. Sometimes I wish I could have the dedication and stamina to grind in the same spot for days at a time without even potty breaks.
Next to GM Spam's return to the forums with his reply to GunGrave, this is one of the funniest things I have read on these forums. Bravo Tabbie!! Bravo!!
Next to GM Spam's return to the forums with his reply to GunGrave, this is one of the funniest things I have read on these forums. Bravo Tabbie!! Bravo!!
It does seem odd that only 1 clan (and perhaps another clan in same ally) was singled out. I guess my 20+ years as a game developer hasn't taught me enough about the policing of large game systems.
I can only assure you that no 1 clan was singled out. In fact just in Dark Omens alone I banned groups that in some cases had several different clan tags on them. The actual number of clans that lost members that day I cannot actually say though as that is generally something I do not record in my notes. In the case of IS, what was shown was not intended to be a kick in the face. I took that clan leader there in good faith, due to our recent dialog, for him to understand (as spam put it) the "prediciment" the GMs as well as players are in. He had a group of botters taking advantage of his trust and helpfulness. Had the roles been reversed, I would have adamantly and with great expletives told the GM to ban those people, and can gaurantee you that not one of them would have had my clan tag on them before they were removed from the server. However, because of the stink and accusations it has brought about, I can gaurantee that this is something I, and most likely any other GM, will NEVER show another clan leader or player.
I have been (and will continue to be) one of the biggest cheerleaders for the GMs. I know the job is hard and thankless, especially when you aren't allowed by corporate decree to show your successes to the whining masses. But I have to tell you that this has made it very hard for me to continue the positive attitude.
I, as well as the others do appreciate your positive comments concerning the GM team. This goes for other players as well who seem to understand the undertaking it is to be sitting behind the scenes doing what we can to help the player base, in the best way we can.
I apologize to any who may have misunderstood my actions. I work hard at trying my best to be as helpful as I possibly can, or at least that is my belief in the actions I take. For now, I don't really have much else to say on the subject.
Thanks for responding. It is a nice change (no offense to teh spaminator) for us to hear from the GM team.
I see what you were trying, given that GG was complaining about bots. Again, I don't doubt your actions or that they were bots.
I guess what I want to happen here is that the GM team look at cost/benefit/visibility when spending the time to do the bot tests. Since the ban stats can't be public, other means have to be used to make it clear that the GMs are doing what they can.
A handful of cheats that nobody outside the ally ever heard of doesn't generate the fear of GMs that getting the high profile toons or the complete clans that are nothing but bots.
Not to mention that a toon botting long enough to make level 85 should be low-hanging fruit.
Oh well, i dunno much in lower lvl areas, but some high lvl ones are sooo... soooo clear !
It is a real pleasure !
Of course, you still find a group or two of botters, but you CAN find a place to xp ! By Pa'agrio !
and that is highly appreciable! <3
Ketra, varka , iop, Disciples, Darkomen... looooove !
For that, really, thank you GMs ! ^_^
Now, farmers was a problem, botter-player is another one.
Legit people are able to xp again. but we still have to face cheaters that use programs to xp/farm Q/pvp.
Those people are more clever than chineese farmers, obviously. And we know the GM team is trying to ban them aswell.
I'll not complain if they all get strike. Even if some are in my clan... ^^
Continue the fight GMs ! you're doing great and you give some light of hope for the legit players who stick in L2 !
I can only assure you that no 1 clan was singled out. In fact just in Dark Omens alone I banned groups that in some cases had several different clan tags on them. The actual number of clans that lost members that day I cannot actually say though as that is generally something I do not record in my notes. In the case of IS, what was shown was not intended to be a kick in the face. I took that clan leader there in good faith, due to our recent dialog, for him to understand (as spam put it) the "prediciment" the GMs as well as players are in. He had a group of botters taking advantage of his trust and helpfulness. Had the roles been reversed, I would have adamantly and with great expletives told the GM to ban those people, and can gaurantee you that not one of them would have had my clan tag on them before they were removed from the server. However, because of the stink and accusations it has brought about, I can gaurantee that this is something I, and most likely any other GM, will NEVER show another clan leader or player.
I, as well as the others do appreciate your positive comments concerning the GM team. This goes for other players as well who seem to understand the undertaking it is to be sitting behind the scenes doing what we can to help the player base, in the best way we can.
I apologize to any who may have misunderstood my actions. I work hard at trying my best to be as helpful as I possibly can, or at least that is my belief in the actions I take. For now, I don't really have much else to say on the subject.
Good luck in your adventures!
GM Vagabond
I think it is an extremely good idea to take clan leaders and take them on a tour of bots from their clan. Ultimately, the only way to stop botting is for the server's own community to be against it from the top down. So far the only server with that mentallity is bartz. UR/TD/Enmity have always been legit, and not only that, but they are the top clans with the highest levels and best gear and best player skill in all of NA. (botting = makes you suck at l2)
After playing on bartz for like a year and seeing what a clan of 100% legits can really do I have to say I really despise clan leaders that allow botting in their clans. It hurts the clan as a whole more than it helps the individuals who get to xp 24/7. I have tried and tried to push Life to make a no botting rule for RR, but to no avail. hence one of the reasons we left and formed Vengeance. Cause I actually like to play l2 with real people and do stuff.
So that's why sayha is the worst server in NA. The mentallity has always been that botting is fine in the top clans here, and no one ever does anything together.
If you GMs want l2 to liven up, don't just ban people and say nothing about it. Show the clan leaders and other VIPs from servers who's getting banned every once in a while. It's a good thing to scare them. you'd be helping the server out.
I think it is an extremely good idea to take clan leaders and take them on a tour of bots from their clan. Ultimately, the only way to stop botting is for the server's own community to be against it from the top down.
I totally agree with this much of the post. The rest was garbage, but this part was/is very true. Now with that being said, the only thing worse then a botter, is somebody who botted their way to the top and then vocally says that bots are bad and should be banned. That goes for people who have bought adena and then complained about getting adena spam ingame as well. If you have contributed to the problem, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to complaining. Either you are 100% legit, or you're not. Sitting afk in a party with somebody who is botting, is just as bad as botting yourself btw.
On another note, thank you GM Vagabond. It's always a pleasure to see the GM team actively responding both ingame as well as on the forums.
I can honestly say that in the clan my main is in, we do not allow botters and when they are found they are kicked. We have always maintained that we do not allowing botting. If you bot you do not learn how to play your toon and then when territory or siege wars come up you allow the software to play. Where is the fun in that?
It has taken me over 2 years to level my main to 76 and 3 months to get my sub to 62. Do I still ask questions about my toon, heck yea. I have certain places that I like to go to level. If I see someone running by I say hi, even if it's an untagged toon. General courtesy. :)
I can honestly say that in the clan my main is in, we do not allow botters and when they are found they are kicked. We have always maintained that we do not allowing botting. If you bot you do not learn how to play your toon and then when territory or siege wars come up you allow the software to play. Where is the fun in that?
It has taken me over 2 years to level my main to 76 and 3 months to get my sub to 62. Do I still ask questions about my toon, heck yea. I have certain places that I like to go to level. If I see someone running by I say hi, even if it's an untagged toon. General courtesy. :)
/Signed
Same goes for Wolveneye...Although it took our mains more like 4 to 5 years to get to 77 or 78 with subs (we have alt addictions and RPG hunger LOL).
I agree with the fact it's good to see GM's actively present on forums and undertaking visible actions in game. IOP has never been this nice :D thx guys ^^ now I can enjoy the sands without having to compete for a spot taken by automated piwels.
I totally agree with this much of the post. The rest was garbage, but this part was/is very true. Now with that being said, the only thing worse then a botter, is somebody who botted their way to the top and then vocally says that bots are bad and should be banned. That goes for people who have bought adena and then complained about getting adena spam ingame as well. If you have contributed to the problem, you have no leg to stand on when it comes to complaining. Either you are 100% legit, or you're not. Sitting afk in a party with somebody who is botting, is just as bad as botting yourself btw.
I completely agree Biggs... lol
It's kinda funny when you are at end game content and dont have to really 'xp' to be able to participate just how easy it is for the pot to speak bad of the kettle.
But ... maybe with the new GM's and them actually checking the bot button reports... we wont have to hear too much more of it :)
Gmvagabond , when your checking sayha again , do tests on the people that wear S80 gear/weapons . also test heroes .!!
i am tired of lv 83+ ppl in s80 gear/wep with +15 or higher skills and ofcuz they have 3 subclasses too ,
dont even dare to say they are legit , i play 15 hours a day and i havent even got to be lv 80 yet
Well to be honest, and I won't delve to far into this, but not only have I banned characters that were level 82+ (including at least a few 85's) I've seen and gotten rid of Heroes that I have caught botting. Can't say that I have run across them on Sayha, but I know on other servers I have.
So to be clear, if your botting and your a hero... That's really silly..
Well to be honest, and I won't delve to far into this, but not only have I banned characters that were level 82+ (including at least a few 85's) I've seen and gotten rid of Heroes that I have caught botting. Can't say that I have run across them on Sayha, but I know on other servers I have.
So to be clear, if your botting and your a hero... That's really silly..
I just want to add my sincere thanks to GM Vagabond and the rest of the GM team for any help that they provide the legit players on Sayha or any server by eliminating those that play outside the rules.
I just want to add my sincere thanks to GM Vagabond and the rest of the GM team for any help that they provide the legit players on Sayha or any server by eliminating those that play outside the rules.
It is greatly appreciated.
and u will still never see u getting hero cuz u can never catch up to the guy that holds it
I, as well as the others do appreciate your positive comments concerning the GM team. This goes for other players as well who seem to understand the undertaking it is to be sitting behind the scenes doing what we can to help the player base, in the best way we can.
Good luck in your adventures!
GM Vagabond
I want to thank the GM's and can vouch for an earlier comment that was made about all the other aspects of their job other than "bot control"
I recently had a huge issue where I lost quests on my account - to go into detail would take too long. But I want to say the quick responses and the amount of communication I had with GM Pommo was impressive. It's the first time playing this game that I have ever had a need to submit a petition and I honestly didn't know what to expect. You hear so many people knocking NCSoft and the GM's - I really went into it thinking it was a waste of time. But ...the problem was resolved - the GM was awesome to deal with - and if they come up with a new T-shirt accessory that says "I <3 GM Pommo - I will be the first one in line to buy it. ; )
Yes I agree about gm's having other jobs than banning bots, and I'm sure as a gaming community we are demanding :)
I will say though getting frequent responses from gm's lately on forums is good and not something we have been used to very often over the years - its a welcome change and reassuring to know that gm's actually exist lol :p
I miss the days were you would /gm and get a live one :) It was very productive to explain and escalate a matter. But indeed times change and GM's can't do all at once or solely chasing botters, cheaters or other issues.
Good to see some interaction on these forums from GM's :) Thumbs up guys and good job on the latest cleaning ^^ some places have become enjoyable again :)
Well to be honest it is sad that the GM's even have to check into the botters. Just shows how many adults are dishonest in the first place. Sad in my opinion, what does that say to our younger generation... The message is yes you can cheat? Just dont get caught?
Well to be honest it is sad that the GM's even have to check into the botters. Just shows how many adults are dishonest in the first place. Sad in my opinion, what does that say to our younger generation... The message is yes you can cheat? Just dont get caught?
i would actually tend to think that younger players are more likely to bot... it is my impresion that younger players are prone to feel they 'need' to have the highest level and they 'need' to beat the other clans.. of course this doesnt mean i like to lose or anything, but i'm not going to feel like i should try by all means to get on top and get back at anyone for killing my toon...
I guess its part of the normal process of growing up, age teaches you patience, etc.. and the same way I dont go out with 15yr old kids in RL (i'm 28 by those wondering :P), in-game its, more often than not, hard to get along with ppl you know is younger (most my ingame friends are around my age or older :P)
Well beens this game is suppose to be 18 and above it was just a point for all , which we all know that does not happen... I can say that might be true on more the younger to be the ones botting but i do not think that is necessarly true.. It is just sad... Anyhow they are there and GM will get them too when they can...
After playing on bartz for like a year and seeing what a clan of 100% legits can really do I have to say I really despise clan leaders that allow botting in their clans. It hurts the clan as a whole more than it helps the individuals who get to xp 24/7. I have tried and tried to push Life to make a no botting rule for RR, but to no avail. hence one of the reasons we left and formed Vengeance. Cause I actually like to play l2 with real people and do stuff.
This must be one of the funniest posts I've ever seen. Let's see if I got this right:
You left RR to start up Vengeance clan, because Life didn't want to issue a non-botting policy?
If i may be so bold to ask, does Vengeance have a no botting policy yet? Or is Playa too busy reaching 86? I know it can be hard to find the time to make clan statements when one is afk that much...
This must be one of the funniest posts I've ever seen. Let's see if I got this right:
You left RR to start up Vengeance clan, because Life didn't want to issue a non-botting policy?
If i may be so bold to ask, does Vengeance have a no botting policy yet? Or is Playa too busy reaching 86? I know it can be hard to find the time to make clan statements when one is afk that much...
Thats one of the things we found so hilarious .... They said they wanted players that were in game live 6 hours+ per day .... that didn't bot (cause botters dont know how to play their toons)... and i forgot the other requirement lol
But let's take a look at Vengeance again.....
Guess they couldn't find ppl to meet what he wanted.... lmfao
Thats one of the things we found so hilarious .... They said they wanted players that were in game live 6 hours+ per day .... that didn't bot (cause botters dont know how to play their toons)... and i forgot the other requirement lol
But let's take a look at Vengeance again.....
Guess they couldn't find ppl to meet what he wanted.... lmfao
Thats one of the things we found so hilarious .... They said they wanted players that were in game live 6 hours+ per day .... that didn't bot (cause botters dont know how to play their toons)... and i forgot the other requirement lol
But let's take a look at Vengeance again.....
And now we know how their anti-botting crusade came out... Clan leader of Vengeance getting banned and in some miraculous way they managed to transfer leadership to another toon.
Vina/Playa: How do you guys do it?
Wait, let me rephrase that. How do you guys do it and still have the self respect to post this obvious BS on official forums?
that should only be possible if the leadership transfer request predates the ban cause I'm pretty sure one is an automated process that doesn't check for the later and the GM's are usually not involved in the whole transfering clan leadership stuff..
dont go nutz on others if u have the same stuff going on in your own ranks tabbi ,
WTs 12k reps that got farmed off Innersphere
what happend to goodshot ? and his 2 boxes ?
hows GG siting in a corner gettign xp of athen ?
and the 5 boxes behind athen at sieges /xp are all his family that are to lazy to run themself so they just go autofollow ? i was in IS vent tabbi u cant hide anything from me , every clan its the same , just funny u still claim IS is 100% legit after so many IS got caught on auto and some of the best members u ever had got banned cuz xping all day long in a catacomb at 81 is good , u remember i was in vent when gg said he just got teleported to goodshots grp , and gg asked for goodshots stuff "at least"
sry to get goodshots name involved into it but maybe that way u realize something tabbi
and ofcuz we probly gona have leya and palau reply , our 2 clans dont bot we r al llegit :o , we know we know ladies <33
dont go nutz on others if u have the same stuff going on in your own ranks tabbi ,
WTs 12k reps that got farmed off Innersphere
what happend to goodshot ? and his 2 boxes ?
hows GG siting in a corner gettign xp of athen ?
and the 5 boxes behind athen at sieges /xp are all his family that are to lazy to run themself so they just go autofollow ? i was in IS vent tabbi u cant hide anything from me , every clan its the same , just funny u still claim IS is 100% legit after so many IS got caught on auto and some of the best members u ever had got banned cuz xping all day long in a catacomb at 81 is good , u remember i was in vent when gg said he just got teleported to goodshots grp , and gg asked for goodshots stuff "at least"
sry to get goodshots name involved into it but maybe that way u realize something tabbi
and ofcuz we probly gona have leya and palau reply , our 2 clans dont bot we r al llegit :o , we know we know ladies <33
Weren't you going off on vina in other threads about botting and asking GMs to investigate all s80? Maybe this is the retraction from previous statements since you're in their ally built with bots. So after the ban i expect to see some pale, virgin birthed s80 toons itching to tag up.
I think the only person who said IS was legit is GG...
It's kinda funny when you are at end game content and dont have to really 'xp' to be able to participate just how easy it is for the pot to speak bad of the kettle.
are u the kettle? here, let me introduce u to pot.... u can make up and be best friends.
gyrlie, all of sayha know ur a bot... sorry, use to bot until RR started mass reporting anyone they cant beat.
i think GMs are taking it a bit to far with this bot button, as u can see RR are already abusing it and using it as the only way to stay on top. cant beat em, ban em!!!
why is it u only ban the real players and not the adena farmers??
do GMs not realise how dead l2 is already??? imo l2 still beats all games out there, even aion.. all your doing is ruining a great game by making everyone quit due to inactivity on servers!
dont go nutz on others if u have the same stuff going on in your own ranks tabbi ,
WTs 12k reps that got farmed off Innersphere
what happend to goodshot ? and his 2 boxes ?
hows GG siting in a corner gettign xp of athen ?
and the 5 boxes behind athen at sieges /xp are all his family that are to lazy to run themself so they just go autofollow ? i was in IS vent tabbi u cant hide anything from me , every clan its the same , just funny u still claim IS is 100% legit after so many IS got caught on auto and some of the best members u ever had got banned cuz xping all day long in a catacomb at 81 is good , u remember i was in vent when gg said he just got teleported to goodshots grp , and gg asked for goodshots stuff "at least"
sry to get goodshots name involved into it but maybe that way u realize something tabbi
and ofcuz we probly gona have leya and palau reply , our 2 clans dont bot we r al llegit :o , we know we know ladies <33
funny ? legit=selfesteem at least Divine Trinity can get castles without cheating
something u dont really have joining the powerclans bigmouthing everywhere arent u the joke from blah ?
ur tyrant is renamed hmmm u really lvled a destro and a tyrant to 79 ?
dont join the legit club u wont fit in
btw wasnt it vina himself posting screenshots of u with the hb train ?
didnt u admit on blah u once botted like no tomorrow and no wonder wonder iam so legit now
Merging all servers on 1 is kinda difficult , don't u think? Imagine the lags. Especially in Giran. I've had a walk at the Giran of every server and they were packed! Imagine a Giran with all the players of each server!!! :eek: