1. do you get the items needed to "link" skills from se/ee/bish subclass' 3rd prof quest?
2.if yes, can you use these items on your other subclass?
3. if yes, is there limit on number of skills linked?
4. when you remove the skill link for 10 mil adena, do you get the item back or you also need the item to remove?
1) I read that you get the 'box' after completion of 3rd change class quest. I believe it's about the ee/se/bish class itself (doesn't matter whether it's main or subclass).
2) If you have both ee/se/bish main+subs, I think you might be able to use that box between them but I won't say it's confirmed.
3) EE/Bish learns 2 skills from list and SE learns 4 skills from list.
4) You do get the item back after removing the skill for 10mil adena.
ps. The title should be gracia plus, not final >.< it's fixed now lol
1. do you get the items needed to "link" skills from se/ee/bish subclass' 3rd prof quest?
2.if yes, can you use these items on your other subclass?
3. if yes, is there limit on number of skills linked?
4. when you remove the skill link for 10 mil adena, do you get the item back or you also need the item to remove?
From the initial translations:
1. you get the item when your ee/bish/se finishes his 3rd class quest, no matter if it is a main or sub
2. you can only get these linked skills on the class which got the item, so if you have, say, a 78 cardinal main and a 74 se sub, you get skills for the cardinal and when the se sub dings 76 and does the 3rd class change, the se gets linked skills of its own, independantly from the cardinal main. Just think of the linked skills as extra skills which pop up on that classes skill list. The question "can you use the item on other (sub)classes" does not really make sense anyway, EVERY healer class will get the item at 76 and can only use it from 76 and higher, so if you have a bish main and a ee/se sub, the subclass would get the item anyway at 76, too. Just for further clarification, in case this is not 100% clear: if you e.g. have a cardinal, you do not NEED a EE/SE subclass to "link skills" from. You can just walk to the npc and learn ee/se skills even if you do NOT have a ee/se subclass.
3. 2 skills each for ee and bishop, 4 for se. It does not matter if it is sub or main, the skills only work for that one class and are independant from other subclasses
4. yes you get the item back, so you can change skills as often as you want for 10m each time. Seems to work like the subclass skills which you also can remove and re-learn as often as you want for 10m each time.
se learning holy weapon is so many lvls of fail it's not even funny
Well, they have it already now (inquisitor). Would have made more sense to give them dark weapon and surrender to unholy right from the start, but I guess they needed some skills to give to their beloved kamael race (still don't understand why they put in holy weapon in prelude and waited with dark weapon until kamael were introduced).
(still don't understand why they put in holy weapon in prelude and waited with dark weapon until kamael were introduced).
Were there angel type mobs in Prelude?
So, ok I'm confuzzled. Do you get the box with linked skills even if you don't have a healer sub? Or do you need a healer sub and what level does the sub have to be to get the linked skills options?
So, ok I'm confuzzled. Do you get the box with linked skills even if you don't have a healer sub? Or do you need a healer sub and what level does the sub have to be to get the linked skills options?
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUB OR MAIN CLASS.
WHEN YOU HAVE A HEALER AND IT FINISHES 3rd CLASS QUEST AT 76+ IT AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVES THE BOX.
I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES..............
At least there are no the most uber buffs,like berz,haste etc.
Which are PP skills, ie enchanter skills, not healer.
I'm just missing why Bishops give almost all their heals (exception: Balance Life wow!), and EEs keep their **** PR!
Cardies only get buffs. Whatever. Do I look like a buffer? ><'
Balance Life is not available because it is a third class skill, and the linkable skills are all 2nd class skills.
As a fellow clannie of mine reminded me, getting recharge would be a kind of useless skill. Let's say that it doesn't prevent us from getting recharged. It still eats up mana to cast, and our mana has to be reserved for healing.
And I am still wondering if these can be oe'ed. That would make a huge difference in which skills I would consider taking.
In the parties that I have been in, it sure would be nice if the EE had purify. But so far I haven't heard any EE interested in that :(
Balance Life is not available because it is a third class skill, and the linkable skills are all 2nd class skills.
As a fellow clannie of mine reminded me, getting recharge would be a kind of useless skill. Let's say that it doesn't prevent us from getting recharged. It still eats up mana to cast, and our mana has to be reserved for healing.
And I am still wondering if these can be oe'ed. That would make a huge difference in which skills I would consider taking.
In the parties that I have been in, it sure would be nice if the EE had purify. But so far I haven't heard any EE interested in that :(
If bishop recharge does not prevent you from being recharged, that brings back self recharging. (which is completely overpowered)
Recharge costs the same amount of MP to recharge the same, 50 mp recharge skill recharges 50 mp or 49 ^^
Well, there is the mana gain buff :)
So in addition to being recharged from a EE/SE, the cardinal could also generate his own MP by recharging himself. But I would hope that getting the recharge skill would also mean that the Cardinal would not be able to be recharged anymore (like EE/SE), otherwise this would be ridiculous.
Bishops don't have zerk, Clerics do. What didn't you understand in 2nd class skills?
How it relates. SEs, btw, can get Holy Weapon... which class's skill is it?
You choose only 2 or 4, but between all the heals.
Yep, but only 2, and not only between heals.
Cardinal can't have PR. I don't care about SEs,
If SEs can have PR, then Cardinals can too.
Does Stigma stacks with Mass Block Shield?
Why shouldn't it?
Well, Bishops can get Return. They don't get Party Return. Like I said, I have PR augment on my dagger.... I'm not even considering that.
But ooooohhhhhh the irony. I remember starting a thread on these forums a couple of years ago whining that Bishop didn't get return, because I felt like we should have the skill to preserve our life so that we could return and rez dead party members and not always have to suffer a full xp loss. Well, you know they destroyed me on the forums, how it was my duty as the healer to stay and heal and sacrifice myself for my party (snores) And now here it is :D
Depending on healer class which skills would you want the most?
SE - clarity, mass rez, some advance healing skills
EE - empower, uncertain with lots of choices and one slot left
Well, Bishops can get Return. They don't get Party Return.
I've seen a list where they do.
But ooooohhhhhh the irony. I remember starting a thread on these forums a couple of years ago whining that Bishop didn't get return, because I felt like we should have the skill to preserve our life so that we could return and rez dead party members and not always have to suffer a full xp loss. Well, you know they destroyed me on the forums, how it was my duty as the healer to stay and heal and sacrifice myself for my party (snores) And now here it is :D
I don't have Return on my in-party bars.
Actually, atm, with stigma, SEs are already beginning to be a viable replacement for an EE, even a WC, in most high-level xp places. It's really wonderful to see that finally this game is giving something to them that puts them back in the running, at least semi-equal to the EE. I'm really happy about that. Now they get to choose 4 skills from the bishop and EE. Pretty nice.
And God bless those SEs that have hung in there. (Now... go go go, get to work on the PP.)
Actually, atm, with stigma, SEs are already beginning to be a viable replacement for an EE, even a WC, in most high-level xp places. It's really wonderful to see that finally this game is giving something to them that puts them back in the running, at least semi-equal to the EE. I'm really happy about that. Now they get to choose 4 skills from the bishop and EE. Pretty nice.
And God bless those SEs that have hung in there. (Now... go go go, get to work on the PP.)
Of course, I mean there was never a reason every single long term player had a boxed SE. Now why people never boxed EE's or Bish's...hmm yes that is right because from 1-68 they are worthless except in raids. IMO EE's and Bish's should own the end game for all those terrible time spent getting to that level when no one even wants you.
Of course, I mean there was never a reason every single long term player had a boxed SE. Now why people never boxed EE's or Bish's...hmm yes that is right because from 1-68 they are worthless except in raids. IMO EE's and Bish's should own the end game for all those terrible time spent getting to that level when no one even wants you.
Well, thanks for the sentiment, elvenaura, but I never did have that experience. I was pretty appreciated from the time I did my 2nd class change in our small clan that always partied together. We only missed an EE and a SWS. By the time I hit my high 60s I always had a group, except for a short stint in my early 70s with an abominable clan.
But the EEs that I knew, we took them with us out of pity :D Wow, times have changed.
Well, thanks for the sentiment, elvenaura, but I never did have that experience. I was pretty appreciated from the time I did my 2nd class change in our small clan that always partied together. We only missed an EE and a SWS. By the time I hit my high 60s I always had a group, except for a short stint in my early 70s with an abominable clan.
But the EEs that I knew, we took them with us out of pity :D Wow, times have changed.
Well no offense I just get angry if someone said ee's or bish's got the better end of the deal and SE's get the shaft, that is such a ridiculous statement. To be frank, I think ee's and bish's get invited to clans more often since they are women more than anything lol ;).
Well no offense I just get angry if someone said ee's or bish's got the better end of the deal and SE's get the shaft, that is such a ridiculous statement. To be frank, I think ee's and bish's get invited to clans more often since they are women more than anything lol .
Any clan which does not invite any ee/bishop they can get is stupid.
And "low lvl is hard, so at high lvl a class should be imba" is also stupid. People spend FAR more time in high level than in low level, so if low lvl is easy or hard is irrelevant, but unbalanced classes at high lvl are game-breaking.
Well no offense I just get angry if someone said ee's or bish's got the better end of the deal and SE's get the shaft, that is such a ridiculous statement. To be frank, I think ee's and bish's get invited to clans more often since they are women more than anything lol ;).
LOL! People usually assume I'm a female until they hear my voice... then they realize I'm just femme
:eek:
Sorry I had to say it -- and I made myself laugh in the process XD
Any clan which does not invite any ee/bishop they can get is stupid.
And "low lvl is hard, so at high lvl a class should be imba" is also stupid. People spend FAR more time in high level than in low level, so if low lvl is easy or hard is irrelevant, but unbalanced classes at high lvl are game-breaking.
I don't think most get this.
They just "want to have fun" and don't realize how sweeping and imba some "fun-inducing" changes can become.
All they had to do was give SE's Major Heal and call it a day.
They just "want to have fun" and don't realize how sweeping and imba some "fun-inducing" changes can become.
All they had to do was give SE's Major Heal and call it a day.
Exactly how the hell could they turn an easy fix like that into more complicated imbalances..? O.o there should be an award for turning simple things into complicated mishaps NCsoft would defiantly get it... : o
They just "want to have fun" and don't realize how sweeping and imba some "fun-inducing" changes can become.
All they had to do was give SE's Major Heal and call it a day.
Trance was also extorted from SE with no reason so it would be major heal AND trance...
I agree it would be more reasonable as SE would keep Stigma as the unique buff.
but perhaps developers thought it's not enough, because even then EE would be far more useful than SE (which would only be good for melee parties). EE has more stuff to play with than SE. They got decrease weight everyone needs, resist shock which is very nice, and PR. SE got nothing of this sort, only generic stuff everyone has.
So to bring EE and SE on the same level, devs had two options - to invent something useful and unique for SE (at least one more thing, as Stigma already made SE useful), or to make what they did in gracia plus... seems like they opted for the way that requires the least creativity and imagination.
really not understand this idea of mixing things up.The bishop is called that cause they the mega healer,the ee has good heals plus defense stuff and pr,the se is a mix.Guess this is what we get for complaining so much,not me,I was happy being an mp battery with emp or vr depending on the group set up.
To clarify,these skills available for you at 76 then and not before?
I have SE,EE,PP,BISHOP.
Trance was also extorted from SE with no reason so it would be major heal AND trance...
I'm talking about what they could have done in Gracia+ considering the nerfs that came in earlier updates.
The entire reason why SE's got owned so bad was because NCSoft insisted on sharing skills between so many classes. Entire Archetypes shared Skill: Sleep, and it should not have been that way.
SEs, EEs, and Bishops also should have all had their own Heal Skills. That would have allowed the developers to tweak the classes without introducing sweeping changes that could totally distort the class balance.
I agree it would be more reasonable as SE would keep Stigma as the unique buff.
That's only a small part of the issue. Stigma is only one skill.
but perhaps developers thought it's not enough, because even then EE would be far more useful than SE (which would only be good for melee parties). EE has more stuff to play with than SE. They got decrease weight everyone needs, resist shock which is very nice, and PR. SE got nothing of this sort, only generic stuff everyone has.
Vampiric Rage, Empower, Stigma, Bless the Blood are all generic? Purify is generic? Please...
So to bring EE and SE on the same level, devs had two options - to invent something useful and unique for SE (at least one more thing, as Stigma already made SE useful), or to make what they did in gracia plus... seems like they opted for the way that requires the least creativity and imagination.
Lol. No.
They took this route because the game is broken beyond repair. They can't fix their ****, so they're just gonna give everyone everything.
Looking forward to Cancellation and Frost Bolt in Gracia Final 2.0 ...
really not understand this idea of mixing things up.The bishop is called that cause they the mega healer,the ee has good heals plus defense stuff and pr,the se is a mix.Guess this is what we get for complaining so much,not me,I was happy being an mp battery with emp or vr depending on the group set up.
To clarify,these skills available for you at 76 then and not before?
I have SE,EE,PP,BISHOP.
Correct, which doesn't matter cause pretty much any class can be leveled to 76 in < 2 months these days. The only difference is that if you want good heals you don't have to make a gimp [in lower levels] toon to get it. You can just roll an SE and PL it with a nuker, for example.
It's certainly making me want to sub Bishop, I'll tell u that much.
SEs, EEs, and Bishops also should have all had their own Heal Skills. That would have allowed the developers to tweak the classes without introducing sweeping changes that could totally distort the class balance.
SE kind of has own heal skill, Bless the Blood, which is not as useful as normal heals.
That's only a small part of the issue. Stigma is only one skill.
Vampiric Rage, Empower, Stigma, Bless the Blood are all generic? Purify is generic? Please...
bless the blood is not very useful hence I did not mention it. maybe it's effective at low levels but that's it. also you can't even have it 100% of time which is strange considering how little it helps.
purify, well Bp also has it and every party has Bp
VR, it's available in herbs and WCs have it...
Same with Emp - it's in every second herb and OLs have it.
nothing unique, like EE"s resist stun and decrease weight buffs, even PR is unique.. that's what I meant. the whole class was redundant, unlike EEs, for so much time.
SE kind of has own heal skill, Bless the Blood, which is not as useful as normal heals.
bless the blood is not very useful hence I did not mention it. maybe it's effective at low levels but that's it. also you can't even have it 100% of time which is strange considering how little it helps.
purify, well Bp also has it and every party has Bp
VR, it's available in herbs and WCs have it...
Same with Emp - it's in every second herb and OLs have it.
nothing unique, like EE"s resist stun and decrease weight buffs, even PR is unique.. that's what I meant. the whole class was redundant, unlike EEs, for so much time.
Bless the Blood was just put into game. Do you know how long SEs rolled with nerfed Greater Heals and nothing else?
There hasn't always been Herbs for VR. There weren't always Newbie buffs, and there certainly weren't Newbie buffs to level 62 until recently. Few people want to play Buffer classes, that's why NCSoft had to add them. I don't know what your server is like, but try rolling an academy toon and trying to find a buffer for a low level raid group - for example. There are hardly any. There may be a few Orcs, but that's about it - unless someone is leveling a Prophet Buffbot and wants to level it up fast (but it would be faster to just level 2 academy toons together to get the PP to 58-60 and then group it with your main for XP).
1 other Class getting a skill doesn't make the skill Generic. Might, Shield, Wind Walk: Those are GENERIC skills. What buffer doesn't have those?
Vampiric Rage, Empower, Clarity, Stigma: Those are far from Generic, and it should be obvious why.
Not everyone levels in Herb Dropping areas. Herbs didn't drop in HB, FoG, IT, Pagans, TOI, WoA (Angels) and a plethora of places, the last time I went there. They don't drop in the Rift, either.
Every party has a BP... Do you even group in this game?
Not every party has Bishop. Not in Gracia+, that's for sure.
What? What are you talking about? Unless you are talking about -78 party areas... but HB and Gracia definitely need a bishop.
SE kind of has own heal skill, Bless the Blood, which is not as useful as normal heals.
bless the blood is not very useful hence I did not mention it. maybe it's effective at low levels but that's it. also you can't even have it 100% of time which is strange considering how little it helps.
purify, well Bp also has it and every party has Bp
VR, it's available in herbs and WCs have it...
Same with Emp - it's in every second herb and OLs have it.
nothing unique, like EE"s resist stun and decrease weight buffs, even PR is unique.. that's what I meant. the whole class was redundant, unlike EEs, for so much time.
Your statement is really ignorant. Most people dont hunt in herb populated areas above level 45 or so. The xp isnt very good. Most people hunt in dungeons OR multiple xp mobs which only have a few spots in the entire game that also drop herbs. Not to mention if you are in a party, one vampiric rage herb for 8 people uhh that just doesnt cut it. Not to mention a party of people would never ever be in a location that even dropped herbs for the point listed above.
Ok, I tell you what. I have an EE and I will gladly trade my decrease weight buff for vampiric rage? You dont want that? But its such a nice buff according to you! Do you realize what you are suggesting? You are saying that its ok to steal all the EE's skills (you already stole recharge) and basically turn SE into a better version of EE and make EE absolutely useless. Also, if you want to trade focus 3/dw 3 and empower 3 for resist shock just let me know.
bless the blood is not very useful hence I did not mention it. maybe it's effective at low levels but that's it. also you can't even have it 100% of time which is strange considering how little it helps.
BtB is very useful if used correctly. Level has nothing to do with it and you can have it up almost 100% of the time on the person who needs it.
I'm talking about new 80+ areas in Gracia+.
Oh. You aren't talking about Gracia itself but the Gracia Plus update?
In regard to soloing the rift... even with 80+ Rift areas coming free, that's a pretty boring proposition. I did a level and a half in the rift and that was enough. Will have to see if anything besides XP makes it worth going there.
Well, i wonder why they use the term "linking"... that sort of means that you are attached to that class in someway... so I wonder if the skill is really "yours." and that would mean you can't oe it.
however they were not clear (bad translation I guess) if you can freely exchange skills for 10 mil (that is you get the item back) or you need the item to remove skill link. most logical would be if you would receive the item back when you remove skill link for 10 mil so you can get another link immediately.
well then I guess people will chose some permanent skills they will OE and the other slots will be devoted for buffs that don't need OE and can be swapped depending on tasks. yet another adena sink.
what makes you wonder? It's absolutely true. A bish could solo there easily with just a recharger... now... when SE has this skill with slightly (if not say waaaaaayyyyy too more)m.atack + cleanse = the best party ever...
what makes you wonder? It's absolutely true. A bish could solo there easily with just a recharger... now... when SE has this skill with slightly (if not say waaaaaayyyyy too more)m.atack + cleanse = the best party ever...
Partying in HB still makes more profit and better exp :) I bet that new areas will do the same. Rift is just to get you up to 78/79 while you can't find decent party.
Partying in HB still makes more profit and better exp :) I bet that new areas will do the same. Rift is just to get you up to 78/79 while you can't find decent party.
well, I haven't been in HB many times. But as far as I've been told, the place had very strong mobs, no? So, to duo with SE, a bishop would require a **** of support buffers, right? So, I don't think they will be able to duo there.
well, I haven't been in HB many times. But as far as I've been told, the place had very strong mobs, no? So, to duo with SE, a bishop would require a **** of support buffers, right? So, I don't think they will be able to duo there.
Seriously L O L! :eek: It seems like you don't know anything about this game..
well then I guess people will chose some permanent skills they will OE and the other slots will be devoted for buffs that don't need OE and can be swapped depending on tasks.
Knowing NCsoft, I wouldn't be surprised if you wouldn't be able to erase the slots independently.
Actually, I'm starting to like this stuff. It will mean a serious boost to EE in a couple of updates later (I hope it won't be the other way around, nerfing SE back to oblivion...).
So I'm guessing SE will get reduced to two soon, if not all the way down to 1 even.
That is a good change, it's about 65% less rediculous, now, since the power of it was in the wide variety of skill combinations you can choose. With just 1 choice it's pretty tame by comparison.
Seriously L O L! :eek: It seems like you don't know anything about this game..
I know alot, mostly about how to make money, not parties :p
And hey...when HB was introduced I was the only one in clan 78+ and who would want to take a dwarf to HB anyway? So.... :D
**** now they make it hard for me....clarity or bless the blood....
I suggest you stop worrying until Korean goes live, there will be more changes until then :)
I doubt the Koreans will let them remove this, now that they've had a taste of it.
They are probably ******** that NCSoft lowered the amount of skills they can get on BP/EE ATM. I wouldn't be suprised if they raised it from 2 to 4 and kept SE at 4 by the time this crap goes live there...
I know alot, mostly about how to make money, not parties :p
And hey...when HB was introduced I was the only one in clan 78+ and who would want to take a dwarf to HB anyway? So.... :D
Well we're talking about healers if I remember well ^^ And HB is not a solo/dua place... In our ally some parties calling healers/sws's for an hour to HB... HB is a place for full stacked parties and healer is a must here! If a party doesn't suck there's no better place to exp just HB.
Well we're talking about healers if I remember well ^^ And HB is not a solo/dua place... In our ally some parties calling healers/sws's for an hour to HB... HB is a place for full stacked parties and healer is a must here! If a party doesn't suck there's no better place to exp just HB.
Have you ever been to such parties? I mean, what's the amount of exp you get when in ful party? How much exp. from each mob? Do you happen to remember?
I mean, what's the amount of exp you get when in ful party? How much exp. from each mob? Do you happen to remember? http://l2.dropspoil.com/db/lnpc and do the math :)
well...it says averege exp mobs have is 150k. 150/9 = 17k. (if in full party). IDN about killing speed of those mobs, but i get around 16-19k from each mob on IOP. And they are 3 shots for me (2 for nuker). I bet IOP is the best exp, not HB then.
well...it says averege exp mobs have is 150k. 150/9 = 17k. (if in full party). IDN about killing speed of those mobs, but i get around 16-19k from each mob on IOP. And they are 3 shots for me (2 for nuker). I bet IOP is the best exp, not HB then.
stay on iop solo / duo till 85, do as you like, at least you dont get in way in other places and your party wont die coz 90% of your xp you just did dmg instead of learning how to heal (did see this so many times, i just could not resist)
PS: i really wonder if some people even know what MMORPG means
well...it says averege exp mobs have is 150k. 150/9 = 17k. (if in full party). IDN about killing speed of those mobs, but i get around 16-19k from each mob on IOP. And they are 3 shots for me (2 for nuker). I bet IOP is the best exp, not HB then.
Fail at math more, and game mechanics too.
well...it says averege exp mobs have is 150k. 150/9 = 17k. (if in full party). IDN about killing speed of those mobs, but i get around 16-19k from each mob on IOP. And they are 3 shots for me (2 for nuker). I bet IOP is the best exp, not HB then.
You are REALLY wrong. Like incredibly wrong. Like so wrong it's not even funny.
I did IOP at level 78 for a while when I came back to the game, before I transferred servers. W/ empower, buffs, etc. I topped out at 1% an hour.
In tully's (towers part of hellbound) I got like 5-6% an hour (can't remember exactly, but I do have to compare level 78 hb xp to 78 iop, cuz I haven't been to iop since then and level 79+ xp per hour cannot be compared to 78.) Even Chimeras and Green is awesome xp. I actually think Green is better xp, because you kill faster, but other ppl like chimeras because of better drops.
And your math is wrong too. In HB you actually DO get like 150k+ per mob, in a party. You certainly don't get 15k. If that's all you got, no one would go there and everyone would be off soloing in IOP. The difference in xp between a HB party and soloing on IOP is not even funny. You need to find a decent clan and get in some groups, IMO. The only reason to go to IOP is if you can only play a short time and can't commit to a HB group, which often last a while, especially tower's groups. And in that case, I usually go rift, not IOP. At least in rift I get 40-60k per mob.
There's a reason why everyone goes to HB, and it's not because we're all idiots and you're so much smarter than us - it's because HB xp beats any solo area hands down. (Now if you have IC set, hero pole and lots of buff pets, feel free to go solo Darkness... otherwise HB is the best.)
Have you ever been to such parties? I mean, what's the amount of exp you get when in ful party? How much exp. from each mob? Do you happen to remember?
While I don't calculate XP per area and all that... I can give you some round numbers based on 0 vitality.
At the Chimeras, each mob is right around 60k xp for me at 83.
In the towers, one mob is around 150k and the others are around 60k... i think one is 25k or something.
An evening in Tully's, before they changed the mob spawn, I could make maybe 2%-3% in a standard 4-5 hour party.
This is excellent XP. It also requires a stacked party in order for it not to have disastrous results.
I know alot, mostly about how to make money, not parties :p
And hey...when HB was introduced I was the only one in clan 78+ and who would want to take a dwarf to HB anyway? So.... :D
Actually, we have taken dorfs to Hellbound with us. We took Maestros... even with their level 1 spoil they were spoiling Arcana Mace Heads and S grade weapons recipes. Just imagine with a Fortune Seeker!
Actually, we have taken dorfs to Hellbound with us. We took Maestros... even with their level 1 spoil they were spoiling Arcana Mace Heads and S grade weapons recipes. Just imagine with a Fortune Seeker!
Exploitz!!!!
btw I heard they changed linking skills on latest Korean pts. now EE and Bish only get 1 skill link while SE still gets 4.
also there is a new passive for dark mystics that increases casting speed by 13 (not clear what exactly 13 is added to but if to the base then it translates to 8% which makes SH's cast faster than Sorc's) and mp regen by 2% at max level.
btw I heard they changed linking skills on latest Korean pts. now EE and Bish only get 1 skill link while SE still gets 4.
also there is a new passive for dark mystics that increases casting speed by 13 (not clear what exactly 13 is added to but if to the base then it translates to 8% which makes SH's cast faster than Sorc's) and mp regen by 2% at max level.
/discuss
Dayummmmm o.o wth is going on! I like that SES are getting boasted but ****.. thats....@_@ well a least the ees or bishis wont waste their one link slot on stigma..? o.o
btw I heard they changed linking skills on latest Korean pts. now EE and Bish only get 1 skill link while SE still gets 4.
also there is a new passive for dark mystics that increases casting speed by 13 (not clear what exactly 13 is added to but if to the base then it translates to 8% which makes SH's cast faster than Sorc's) and mp regen by 2% at max level.
/discuss
I will seriously (no joke) quit the game and play something else if they implement these changes.
Talk about ******* stupid.
Hi! Just increase the Base Casting Speed of SE Heals and Support skills... That too difficult?
Give an M.def stigma to EE... but that would be making necros more obsolete in parties... hmm maybe bad idea
Let's just make SE's the Gracia Plus Kamaels! Yay!
No.
And Necro also has a 30% P.Def debuff, among other things.
But still, No. It's a nice idea, I just don't think you've thought it through, yet :P
Are you one of those type of people who call buffpet SEs slaves and get female ones and stare at them all day because you can't get yourself a girlfriend?
Are you one of those type of people who call buffpet SEs slaves and get female ones and stare at them all day because you can't get yourself a girlfriend?
touchy ;) He cant help it if the se female "charm"ed him and made the master pick her outta all the other slaves :rolleyes: besides if you have to look at something while playing looking at something good never hurt its why as a boy i play a girl ES cause i dont want to stare at a guy all day ;) also guys look like girls anyways so :P
touchy ;) He cant help it if the se female "charm"ed him and made the master pick her outta all the other slaves :rolleyes: besides if you have to look at something while playing looking at something good never hurt its why as a boy i play a girl ES cause i dont want to stare at a guy all day ;) also guys look like girls anyways so :P
No girlfriend either :p
But either way that doesn't bother me that much if they call their buffpet SE slaves...since thats all they got going on in their lives
I call those type of people the double Ps (pity and pathetic)
At least SE slaves have some kind of attention! You have no idea how PP slaves can be dragged in the mud and used as a rug so little archer keeps his feet clean!
Love your PP slave! :mad:
Are you one of those type of people who call buffpet SEs slaves and get female ones and stare at them all day because you can't get yourself a girlfriend?
Does it matter if someone has a girlfriend or not? But if you prefer to stare at a guy then that's your choice.
But either way that doesn't bother me that much if they call their buffpet SE slaves...since thats all they got going on in their lives
I call those type of people the double Ps (pity and pathetic) Hehe i call em slaves too but thats cause they dont have a choice much like slaves muhahaha and before you give me the double Ps im married ;) and my wife plays hehe
Hehe i call em slaves too but thats cause they dont have a choice much like slaves muhahaha and before you give me the double Ps im married ;) and my wife plays hehe
"Freedom or death" Thats a choice a real slave can have so I suggest you come up with a different name your still a double P whether you have a blow up doll wife or not
I don't stare at my buffpet but that guy was just starting to get out of hand with his comments.
and I'm not talking about mains read right either way I don't stare at my char like a freako
its supposed to be basically you and guess what? I try not to stare at myself as much as possible....>.>
anyways we killed this thread enough back to topic! and I suggest you bite you tongue before you call SES slaves out loud again >.>
We all play this game for fun. What you want your buff slave to be is up to you. No need to get excited about it. I don't care if my buff slave looked like an elpy or a ground hog as long as it buffs. But calling people out and calling names based on choice off buff slave has no place here. So just stuff it already.
We all play this game for fun. What you want your buff slave to be is up to you. No need to get excited about it. I don't care if my buff slave looked like an elpy or a ground hog as long as it buffs. But calling people out and calling names based on choice off buff slave has no place here. So just stuff it already.
Exactly lol its a game i dont have a buff slave myself but i do call others those. Potato Potahto :P
Buff Slave = Buff Pet = Buff B**** = The Helper = useless over there = the moocher = the leecher = The wiggler (bds ;) ) = etc etc etc
This is going to be my last comment on this.
One - this is a game.
Two - your choice of buffer is either male or female.
I balance mine. If my main DD is male the buffer is usually female. If the main DD is female then the buffer is male.
Oh and yes I do have a girlfriend. Some in the past think it is neat I play video games while others think it is weird. One even tried to get a costume to look like one of the outfits for the DE chick. Now that girl was weird though. But in a good way. :D
This is going to be my last comment on this.
One - this is a game.
Two - your choice of buffer is either male or female.
I balance mine. If my main DD is male the buffer is usually female. If the main DD is female then the buffer is male.
Oh and yes I do have a girlfriend. Some in the past think it is neat I play video games while others think it is weird. One even tried to get a costume to look like one of the outfits for the DE chick. Now that girl was weird though. But in a good way. :D
Are you one of those type of people who call buffpet SEs slaves and get female ones and stare at them all day because you can't get yourself a girlfriend?
HAHAHAHA, I read this thread especially the last few exchanges and I'm just laughing. DUDE, you have a very unique way of coming out of the closet and declaring yourself a flaming red +16 Homunculous Sword. Congratulations. Yes yes you'll make excuses later and it's only natural. I've already shared e-mails and will have to explain the +16 Homunculous Sword part. Looks like we just got a new joke to talk about (I mean conversation piece) during happy hour.
HAHAHAHA, I read this thread especially the last few exchanges and I'm just laughing. DUDE, you have a very unique way of coming out of the closet and declaring yourself a flaming red +16 Homunculous Sword. Congratulations. Yes yes you'll make excuses later and it's only natural. I've already shared e-mails and will have to explain the +16 Homunculous Sword part. Looks like we just got a new joke to talk about (I mean conversation piece) during happy hour.
lol im the homunculous? your the one who likes dragonslayers.
Can't say I do cause I never touched one in my life : p beat that jerk off *******!
lol im the homunculous? your the one who likes dragonslayers.
Can't say I do cause I never touched one in my life : p beat that jerk off *******!
Since you didn't understand the innuendo and from the way you talk then I don't think you've hit puberty yet. Hrm and already out of the closet. Amazing.
Since you didn't understand the innuendo and from the way you talk then I don't think you've hit puberty yet. Hrm and already out of the closet. Amazing.
Wow I'm G@Y because I don't like to stare at cartoon game characters? If you think that's g@y....... I don't want to even want to think about what you do at home
I bet your blow up doll with a DE females pic on it is so ****!
Actually I do stare only when the character is not me or a man playing a female char : p but I don't get h**** like you freaky dikys
You can make your DE slave give smoochies to your main character :)
You can sit your characters in the grass under a tree and say they're having a picnic or tea party. And then you make your character say "Slave! Bring me some kind of leaf!" and then you go buy an antidote with the DE slave!
Endless possibilities of stowies! =^.^=
You can make your DE slave give smoochies to your main character :)
You can sit your characters in the grass under a tree and say they're having a picnic or tea party. And then you make your character say "Slave! Bring me some kind of leaf!" and then you go buy an antidote with the DE slave!
Endless possibilities of stowies! =^.^=
lol ok.............. I don't care wacha call em now...I just want to move lots of feet away from you people.....@_@
why is that SOOO hard they have to come up with this borrow-someone-else's-skill crap that will just confuse things even more?
I remember long ago playing my old SE main in C3-C4 when I had a real heal! For like 900 hp at a time! Then they changed it and OBVIOUSLY this heal-over-time crap is unacceptable for most situations. It has been a severely gimp class until just last update, and even now you would still have to take a "real" healer (Cardinal or mayyybe EE). And the lower mp cost of major heal would also be required at end game because SE cast and regen speed is pretty crap for sure. Stigma is great and people are now making room in parties for SE, but they can only substitute for EE as a recharger still, in general. If we just had Major Heal we would be ok! That has been as clear as day since they implemented that skill and stuck SE with gimped "heals".
This change, if implemented, would make SE pretty darn valuable. If I could take four skills on SE I'd probly go Clarity, Major Heal, Resurrection (I mean with good %), and then Mass Rez or PR or something else. If they keep these changes, SE would become a really excellent class that could replace anything except where Balance Life is required.
why is that SOOO hard they have to come up with this borrow-someone-else's-skill crap that will just confuse things even more?
I remember long ago playing my old SE main in C3-C4 when I had a real heal! For like 900 hp at a time! Then they changed it and OBVIOUSLY this heal-over-time crap is unacceptable for most situations. It has been a severely gimp class until just last update, and even now you would still have to take a "real" healer (Cardinal or mayyybe EE). And the lower mp cost of major heal would also be required at end game because SE cast and regen speed is pretty crap for sure. Stigma is great and people are now making room in parties for SE, but they can only substitute for EE as a recharger still, in general. If we just had Major Heal we would be ok! That has been as clear as day since they implemented that skill and stuck SE with gimped "heals".
This change, if implemented, would make SE pretty darn valuable. If I could take four skills on SE I'd probly go Clarity, Major Heal, Resurrection (I mean with good %), and then Mass Rez or PR or something else. If they keep these changes, SE would become a really excellent class that could replace anything except where Balance Life is required.
Hey ty for putting the convo back on topic! XD and I agree
Ok regular Resurrection isn't an option, so Mas rez will have to do; Then maybe Trance, Major Group Heal, or Resist Shock for SE. With Clarity and Major Heal being essential.
Ok regular Resurrection isn't an option, so Mas rez will have to do; Then maybe Trance, Major Group Heal, or Resist Shock for SE. With Clarity and Major Heal being essential.
I'm getting major heal major group heal clarity and pr = D
I think mass rez is capped at 75% but you need BW robes (+3 wit) and +5 wit dyes on SE to do that. Heretic transform can to 80% in only DC robes (+2 wit).
its very useful if you need rez frequently as transform rez is only once each 4 hours.
I think mass rez is capped at 75% but you need BW robes (+3 wit) and +5 wit dyes on SE to do that. Heretic transform can to 80% in only DC robes (+2 wit).
its very useful if you need rez frequently as transform rez is only once each 4 hours.
how about tallum? its +2 wit too the diff is -int and not men
I have 80% rez from aug (well, with max wit--since wit affects augment rez's)
so I'll probably do clarity, Major heal, major grp heal and PR..
I have PR augmentation and 90% res augmentation (70% + 20% wit bonus) - I will get major heal,major group heal, clarity and then I still have to decide on the 4th one. BOA would be nice, or restore life. Mass res also, but then I am not exactly in a pvp clan. Turn undead is pretty much only for soloing. Prayer is also a cool one, or trance. Gah, I can't decide...
I have PR augmentation and 90% res augmentation (70% + 20% wit bonus) - I will get major heal,major group heal, clarity and then I still have to decide on the 4th one. BOA would be nice, or restore life. Mass res also, but then I am not exactly in a pvp clan. Turn undead is pretty much only for soloing. Prayer is also a cool one, or trance. Gah, I can't decide...
I thought I saw decrease weight was on the list. Isn't that a good one for your 4-th?
restore life is useless (long reuse + good only on some high hp people). prayer is not that effective and takes a buff slot. trance maybe .. need to OE it though.
restore life is useless (long reuse + good only on some high hp people). prayer is not that effective and takes a buff slot. trance maybe .. need to OE it though.
Restore life is not useless. Perhaps if you party a lot with daggers or nukers,yes. But any high hp toon, restore life is the best thing ever.
Prayer is great. It adds healing power. I use it and am asked to cast it. But as your 4th choice, I think there are better ones.
But for an SE, I think perhaps decrease weight would be great because it seems we have to carry more and more stuff. Spirit ore is ****ed heavy especially in addition to shots. I'm not sure what level you are, but trance at the higher level xp areas needs to be oe'd to at least 10 to get it to land ...
I'm just speaking as a bishop who will be paired with an EE or SE.
I think mass rez is capped at 75% but you need BW robes (+3 wit) and +5 wit dyes on SE to do that. Heretic transform can to 80% in only DC robes (+2 wit).
its very useful if you need rez frequently as transform rez is only once each 4 hours.
yupp, but that is old news. NCSoft Korea had that in theyr patch notes last week.
Yea, it was posted on the 27th on that website. I don't really try to keep up with them. I just happened to go to that website today to look for some info about the aerial raids and saw the news for the change. Just posting for people that don't read other sources, as they might want to know about it ^^
Yea, it was posted on the 27th on that website. I don't really try to keep up with them. I just happened to go to that website today to look for some info about the aerial raids and saw the news for the change. Just posting for people that don't read other sources, as they might want to know about it ^^
I thought it was a rumor not official TY for telling me :D
Ginving an SE 4 linked skill and a Bish, EE 2 i think is totally fine. Keep in mind all 2nd class lvl skills that SE is over any of those 3 is emp,dw,vr and focus....personally i think SE's r major gimped. How many live SE's do u actually see running around? my guess is probably less then none..they r pretty much a boxed buffer nowadays. Mage classes need more then 1 buffer...so giving a SE 4 linked slots is not an overstretch imo. think of it..giving a ee emp and acumen...thats badass...giving a se acumen,zerk clarity and pr...thats just as badass as a EE.
Ginving an SE 4 linked skill and a Bish, EE 2 i think is totally fine. Keep in mind all 2nd class lvl skills that SE is over any of those 3 is emp,dw,vr and focus....personally i think SE's r major gimped. How many live SE's do u actually see running around? my guess is probably less then none..they r pretty much a boxed buffer nowadays. Mage classes need more then 1 buffer...so giving a SE 4 linked slots is not an overstretch imo. think of it..giving a ee emp and acumen...thats badass...giving a se acumen,zerk clarity and pr...thats just as badass as a EE.
There's no acumen and zerk as they are pre-40 skills... Well seems like SE that rerolled went back to playing their SE as main in Korean, then they started QQ about bish and ee getting 2 skills; so wala~ both of them get 1 now lol.
What do i know.... but sounds to me that all healers will be basically the same.
I can't wait until all melee get sword,knife,bow,blunt,pole skills and a few nukes for good measure.
But seriously wouldn't it better to have seperate skills so you neededto make a decision as to which healer buffer was gonna be in party...rather than one does it all.
What do i know.... but sounds to me that all healers will be basically the same.
I can't wait until all melee get sword,knife,bow,blunt,pole skills and a few nukes for good measure.
But seriously wouldn't it better to have seperate skills so you neededto make a decision as to which healer buffer was gonna be in party...rather than one does it all.
Back in the day that might have been the case...but ppl box alot of buffers..so there isnt many liive buffers...i mean i know ppl who box pp's,bd's and sws's plus thier main...I think they r taking that into consideration and just trying to please ppl...but it seems like no matter what is done with this game ppl always find something to complain about. I say, if u dont like it time to find a new game...
What do i know.... but sounds to me that all healers will be basically the same.
Nope. Bish will still be the best dedicated healer (Balance Life), SE will become the best small party support. EE will be shafted.
Edit...when i was a young dwarf...i was killing the Silanos/Delu Lizz where they were originally... south of Giran.
One of those Chinese farmers came by with a high level pp and gave me full buffs.
This was before people spamed shots and i was having a hard time between the Silanos and the Delu Lizzards but man with those buffs i became a L2 god. I so enveyed those pp buffs....Now a pp is almost ignored.
It is ironic what they have done with the SE and PP atm.
The SE gets Stigma and will be able to borrow EE/BP 2nd class skills, 4 of them. This will even the playing field for whichever support they choose to be in the party along with a Bishop. In a way, it is about time, because the SEs were cruelly gimped with the advent of Major heals.
The PP gets the 83 Counter Critical skill, which is absolutely amazing. Now all those people that were happy leaving their buffpet PPs at 78 max will regret their decision. The Warcrier will no longer be the buffer of choice once the PPs get to 83 and get that skill.
However, I am dumbfounded that the PPs and SEs were left out to dry for so long, without hope of being competitive in the game, and then being faced with the need to level up and join in again. It's pretty sick reasoning on the Developer's part.
The SE gets Stigma and will be able to borrow EE/BP 2nd class skills, 4 of them. This will even the playing field for whichever support they choose to be in the party along with a Bishop.
"Along"? Nope. They will take your PvE slot in exactly the same way as they already did it in C2.
Why? Because EE's spent the majority of their time leveling up being the crappy support character that nobody wanted? Because most EE's took 3 times as long as SEs to get to 75 because everybody and their mother wanted SEs and refused to take EEs? Because EEs had to beg to get parties and were lucky if their own clan was willing to take them along for xp?
Oh, that's right, you haven't played this game long enough to know that.
AFAIK EE can get stigma too, so no need for an OOP SE anymore ;)
EE can get Stigma (thus missing Purify), SE can get Major Heal as well as 3 more skills to choose from Bishop's skillset.
It is ironic what they have done with the SE and PP atm.
The SE gets Stigma and will be able to borrow EE/BP 2nd class skills, 4 of them. This will even the playing field for whichever support they choose to be in the party along with a Bishop. In a way, it is about time, because the SEs were cruelly gimped with the advent of Major heals.
The PP gets the 83 Counter Critical skill, which is absolutely amazing. Now all those people that were happy leaving their buffpet PPs at 78 max will regret their decision. The Warcrier will no longer be the buffer of choice once the PPs get to 83 and get that skill.
However, I am dumbfounded that the PPs and SEs were left out to dry for so long, without hope of being competitive in the game, and then being faced with the need to level up and join in again. It's pretty sick reasoning on the Developer's part.
Agreed for all but the "PP's will be buffer of choice" part. People these days are too lazy and wont spend 5 min buffing if they can spend 30 seconds with dc buffs. PP's will continue to do what they have done the last year, be oop buffers for resists and whatever else the DC/OL doesnt have...counter critical will just be another buff the oop pp will have to buff before being sat down for 20 min while that person goes and plays his main.
EE can get Stigma (thus missing Purify), SE can get Major Heal as well as 3 more skills to choose from Bishop's skillset.
Why "missing Purify"? End game people specialize in what their constant group needs . If the EE in question is in a melee const then they 'll probably get sos/purify/mass rez/ggh ...
why? Because ee's spent the majority of their time leveling up being the crappy support character that nobody wanted? Because most ee's took 3 times as long as ses to get to 75 because everybody and their mother wanted ses and refused to take ees? Because ees had to beg to get parties and were lucky if their own clan was willing to take them along for xp?
Oh, that's right, you haven't played this game long enough to know that.
ROFL.
Seriously, Stop.
What about C5 to Gracia CT2, when SE's took about 20x longer to level up than EEs?
"Along"? Nope. They will take your PvE slot in exactly the same way as they already did it in C2.
Unless NCsoft nerfs Stigma, that is.
Well, I dunno if that prediction is true. There is a lot more to a bishop these days than the 2nd class skills available in C2. So, we will see.
Well, I dunno if that prediction is true. There is a lot more to a bishop these days than the 2nd class skills available in C2. So, we will see.
The prediction isn't true, and won't be true.
What about C5 to Gracia CT2, when SE's took about 20x longer to level up than EEs?
Stop making me laugh.
You've whined enough for me to know it, I'm sure.
You're an idiot who knows nothing about this game outside of your deluded idea of what "normal gameplay" is. Aren't you the troll who went around criticizing everyone when you first started playing because it was "easy" for a normal player to get 76+ in just a few weeks and they were stupid for not being able to do it? When upon further inspection you admitted that your idea of "normal" was what, 20 hours a day? You have no handle whatsoever on reality or on how most players experience L2 and should not be taken seriously by ANYBODY.
Your comment that EE's deserve to be shafted not only shows your ignorance about the history of the game but also shows your inability to distinguish between individual players, classes and NCsoft's management of those classes.
Your comment "I hope so. They certainly deserve it." lumps every EE, on every server, in every country/region that NCsoft services into one group, as if all of those EEs collectively had done something horrendous to deserve being shafted. "They certainly deserve it" can have no other meaning than that players who play EEs HAVE DONE SOMETHING that is deserving of a shaft. You did not say that NCsoft sucks at balancing classes, no, you blame the EEs, all the EEs in the world, for some mystical reason, for having done SOMETHING deserving of a shaft.
You are a troll or a jerk, IMO both. You desire nothing more than to insult people at every possible opportunity. Let me make this clear, I do not want SEs to remain nerfed and if you had actually kept up w/ my history of posting about EEs/SEs as religiously as you claim to, you would know that I have made many comments about how ridiculous it is that NCsoft cannot manage balance the two classes without nerfing one to hell. I have my own thoughts about how NCsoft could have done a better job handling the two classes and I have posted them many times before (which, since you're such a fanboi of mine, I'm sure you've read.) However, the point here is that you're a jerk and mouthed off about something you know nothing about, insulting a whole group of players the world over, for no other reason than to get your jollies.
What about C5 to Gracia CT2, when SE's took about 20x longer to level up than EEs?
SE? 20x longer to level up in CT1? You were obviously doing it wrong then.
Well, I dunno if that prediction is true. There is a lot more to a bishop these days than the 2nd class skills available in C2.
It's not that a bishop wasn't the best healer in C2.
tbh... all classes are not really wanted since l2 is a full-time solo game with part-time multi-player. Unless you have your usual exp group (buddies/friends/clan members that doesn't see exp more important than their life :p). The 'wanted' should be refered to either you box others or others box you.
It was an intentional overexaggeration, which you obviously missed.
I don't care if you "overexaggerate" or are just clueless. Get your facts straight if you want your opinion to matter.
And yes, EEs were infinitely easier to level than SEs:
No, they weren't. Not since Great Wolf, and definitely not since Inquisitor.
Might of Heaven before Inquisitor
Have you tried? At which levels?
There are like only 3 locations in the whole past-40 range that have undeads dropping herbs and don't have non-undead aggros: FoM Ghosts, Wretched Archers and (a single) FotD spot with Trampled Men. EEs don't have even a single level of Peace, and Serenade was nerfed into nothingness in C5.
Turn Undead
Not that great. Even if there are free spots in the Rift, it's still maybe just 3x more XP per hour than a selfbuffed Inquisitor SE... that's if we forget than an SE can switch to a pet when runs close to OOM nuking.
They were more groupable than an SE could ever hope to be (Major Heal, Clarity, Recharge)
Sure thing. That's why NCsoft was nerfing polearms twice in a row.
So yea, I overexaggerated it, but that was to get the point across.
Your "point" is sooooo C5...
It's not that a bishop wasn't the best healer in C2.
I'm not following you. Since I started at the beginning of C3, I may not know what you are referring to.
However, I will say that in the PvE activity that I do now, I just cannot see where an SE, who can grab the Bishop's Major heal and group heal, would replace what I do in any satisfactory way. It might be a quick fix, but it wouldn't be a permanent replacement by any means. Like I said, though my main job is healing, I have many, many tools for that end that just aren't going to be available for linking.
In regard to Trensharo's ideas about EEs... I dunno why so much hate towards them? All I know is that the random people who were crazy enough to choose an EE to level, spent many game hours getting pity parties. No one saw their worth as opposed to putting an SE in party. When they go some L2 love, it was well deserved, imo.
And I agree with Adelei, that this stupid mindset of nerfing one class so another class gets an advantage is just boggling.
I don't care if you "overexaggerate" or are just clueless. Get your facts straight if you want your opinion to matter.
No, they weren't. Not since Great Wolf, and definitely not since Inquisitor.
Have you tried? At which levels?
There are like only 3 locations in the whole past-40 range that have undeads dropping herbs and don't have non-undead aggros: FoM Ghosts, Wretched Archers and (a single) FotD spot with Trampled Men. EEs don't have even a single level of Peace, and Serenade was nerfed into nothingness in C5.
Not that great. Even if there are free spots in the Rift, it's still maybe just 3x more XP per hour than a selfbuffed Inquisitor SE... that's if we forget than an SE can switch to a pet when runs close to OOM nuking.
Sure thing. That's why NCsoft was nerfing polearms twice in a row.
Your "point" is sooooo C5...
Half of that applies to EE also, I don't see what your "point" is.
Just seems like you're going in circles, to me.
Switch to a pet? An EE can switch to a pet, also. EEs have Clarity.
In herb dropping areas, buffs don't really matter cause you will get pretty much everything you need from herbs, anyways, that includes pets.
EEs have more choices, and are more efficient to XP than SEs. They are better, and they've been better for **** long time.
Lol.
It's only a C5 point when you neglect things like Kookaburras (you can clarity them) which can be brought out when you are low on mana, and crap like that. They give Empower.
EE > SE for soloing due to their choices. Anyone can level a pet up.
There is absolutely no question a Cardinal will still be a WAY better healer than a EE or SE with linked skills. It's the 76+ skills which make the difference, the ability to be recharged, and we still do not know if you even can enchant the linked skills.
Half of that applies to EE also, I don't see what your "point" is.
Gratz. Any attempt to apply that to EE puts them into a situation of "SE, but even more gimp".
Just seems like you're going in circles, to me.
Einstein ftw.
Switch to a pet? An EE can switch to a pet, also. EEs have Clarity.
Surely, Clarity is exactly the buff a Great Wolf needs to save your MP. Not VR, not DW/Focus, but Clarity... ah, and how about Decrease Weight then? Or maybe Regeneration? Or Advanced Block?
In herb dropping areas, buffs don't really matter cause you will get pretty much everything you need from herbs, anyways, that includes pets.
Have you tried to pick up herbs on a pet? I have, and don't want to try it again. I'd better level a DD box, to be honest.
EEs have more choices,
EEs always had "more choices", and were crappy at almost every single one. Even in C3.
and are more efficient to XP than SEs.
Atm? Only at 76-77 range. Well, at 76-82 if for some reason SEs aren't allowed to group for Stigma.
It's only a C5 point when you neglect things like Kookaburras (you can clarity them) which can be brought out when you are low on mana, and crap like that. They give Empower.
When I'm low on mana, it's too late to give me Empower. And not, Emp and MP herbs don't drop often enough for such a low-MAtk nuker as an EE.
I'm not following you. Since I started at the beginning of C3, I may not know what you are referring to.
Well, actually in C3, with catacombs and boosted exp for small groups, it became even worse.
However, I will say that in the PvE activity that I do now, I just cannot see where an SE, who can grab the Bishop's Major heal and group heal, would replace what I do in any satisfactory way.
It's not what happened in C3. No one was replacing a Bishop in 9-man ToI parties. It's just the DDs from these parties moved to places with better XP, in smaller groups.
In regard to Trensharo's ideas about EEs... I dunno why so much hate towards them?
What else did you expect from Trensharo? Love, lol?
Krissa. I have leveled up 4 Nukers, An SE, OL, and EE. I think I know how often the MP and Empower Herbs drop. Maybe NCSoft has code in the game to lower the drop rate for you?
The pet buffs you Empower, there are also Potions for Empower and Accumen. You are not forced to wear +Casting Speed Robe Sets, and TBH an EE can get away with wearing an M.Atk Set.
Stigma was just put into the game. Yes, it's nice. Won't EE be able to get Stigma with Skill Link?
Clarity can be buffed to a Kookaburra for lower MP Consumption on its Recharge. Duh?
Great Wolves aren't the only pets in the game.
Keep going in circles, dear.
Like I said, any class can level a pet, but with the current game design an EE is better off leveling than an SE (Clarity, Kooka, Herbs, Potions, Turn Undead, Recharge, Major Heal, High XP Rez).
I'm still wondering why people are talking about C3, cause C3 doesn't matter in Gracia+.
Well, actually in C3, with catacombs and boosted exp for small groups, it became even worse. Well, I still don't know what you are talking about. I got pick-up groups in Apostate all the time and in DVC as well. Maybe I just had a good clan/ally that I always had groups -- Well, usually, I formed them, it's true, lol. But my leveling was pretty consistent all through my levels.
Dunno about you guys but even before stigma, any mana gain SE was still good enough recharger to make HB party with, even without an EE. at least, for people that are good at l2 anyway.