New skill hide? LOL who cares?

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he might have had a /target macro from someone watching his matches set up with your name and used a stun augment?

best i can give you, sorry.
he might have had a /target macro from someone watching his matches set up with your name and used a stun augment?

best i can give you, sorry.
sorry but some1 who is watching oly cant see dagger_in_hide.
sorry but some1 who is watching oly cant see dagger_in_hide.

you clearly don't know how to oly.

when people "watch matches for you" they are looking at the list of fights and telling you who you are fighting so you can buff accordingly and, if need be, set a /target macro etc.
you clearly don't know how to oly.

when people "watch matches for you" they are looking at the list of fights and telling you who you are fighting so you can buff accordingly and, if need be, set a /target macro etc.

Oh really? 8 times hero didn't know about that stuff you talking about lol.
you clearly don't know how to oly.

when people "watch matches for you" they are looking at the list of fights and telling you who you are fighting so you can buff accordingly and, if need be, set a /target macro etc.
**** i didnt know some1 can tell me my opponent when im porting, u are so **** smart DD
But still u know nothing about using and detecting hide, better dont talk.
how about you have you use hide then have your friend or one of your boxes try and /target you...if it works, then you can thank me for the answer...if it doesn't, you can at least thank me for my attempt.
Oh really? 8 times hero didn't know about that stuff you talking about lol.

just because someone has had hero doesn't mean they deserve it...usually not, actually.
**** i didnt know some1 can tell me my opponent when im porting, u are so **** smart DD
But still u know nothing about using and detecting hide, better dont talk.


if friends can't /target you while you are in hide then you can be sure that the guy you are fighting has a 3rd party software to target you (simulating the find skill that archers get to see hidden dagger classes)
if friends can't /target you while you are in hide then you can be sure that the guy you are fighting has a 3rd party software to target you (simulating the find skill that archers get to see hidden dagger classes)

which is exactly what i told him to try...but he decided to act like he's better than everyone else who he asked to help and just start with the bashing without even thinking.
You cant target people that are in hide.
1st of all it's Teon. Players fight soft wars not pvp... If you would see such trick on other(not euro) server you might try to find other reason.

2ndly it's hide, you can't target your opponent and definetly you shouldn's see him.
Not like I care, but just curious about GM response :)
Usage of third party software is obvious on this screen :)
2ndly it's hide, you can't target your opponent and definetly you shouldn's see him.


if he was fighting an archer then hide would had been useless :p
Usage of third party software is obvious on this screen :)

working as intended.

who knows...it might be one of the 15 second stun augments and just went off at the same time as hide did? i know i've stunned at the same time i've been stunned before.

maybe it's one of the new life stones and it has a detect augment?
Looks bugged, he stun you 3 times in a row and do nothing else?
working as intended.

who knows...it might be one of the 15 second stun augments and just went off at the same time as hide did? i know i've stunned at the same time i've been stunned before.

maybe it's one of the new life stones and it has a detect augment?

Look at the system chat, It says shield stun is removed and reapplied 3 times, yet nothing about hide.
This means 2 things. He has system messages enabled, and thus that stun was applied 3 times after hide.
And there are no Augment skills that can detect this.
Originally Posted by Falconek View Post
Usage of third party software is obvious on this screen

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Originally Posted by serelina View Post
working as intended.

who knows...it might be one of the 15 second stun augments and just went off at the same time as hide did? i know i've stunned at the same time i've been stunned before.

maybe it's one of the new life stones and it has a detect augment?
Look at the system chat, It says shield stun is removed and reapplied 3 times, yet nothing about hide.
This means 2 things. He has system messages enabled, and thus that stun was applied 3 times after hide.
And there are no Augment skills that can detect this.

Thank you.
a big LOL @ ra*** or localhost talking about anyone ELSE not being legit.

What's the matter? Does it stop being fun when your opponents use your software against you?

Seriously.....pot...kettle.....black....you get the idea.
maybe he just shield slammed, waited, shield slammed, waited, hide and shield slam went off at the same time.

did you still win the fight in spite of this?
No point to argue what it could have been,hide lasts 30 sec,it was 18 on the screen,so no shield slam or anything else.
And there isnt any tactic/use of tools enabled by the game to stun/hit through hide (archer's dont count).
So its a cleaver use of some sort of a targeting/radar program,that enables you to see the character and target it even if his in hide mode.
Forgot to add something,to all the guys that are trying to figure out how it can be done with game tools,drop it,no point of talking about things that you didnt try/see yourself.
And assuming that some feature implented in the game enables it,its worthless,if there had been a feature like this,someone would have already found out about it,or it would have appeared in the patch notes.
5 posts...who's alt-account are you?
I'm no one's alt,im just a guy that knows alot about game mechanics/features.
And you didnt start with 0 posts when you first came to this forum? :)
I dont think post count have anything to do with what i write here.
Hide lasts 1 min not 30s and has quie a cooldown. If you look at the screen you can clearly see that only 18s of hide left and character is under stun?
Sad thing is if this was posted when "Spam" was here a full investigation woulda already been done :P
I'm no one's alt,im just a guy that knows alot about game mechanics/features.
And you didnt start with 0 posts when you first came to this forum? :)
I dont think post count have anything to do with what i write here.

a poster who has 5 posts and created last month...of course it matters, alt.
Only if you think refuting an argument based on a users post count works.

Sadly it does not.

When you make your forum account or how much post counts you have means nothing for how much you know about the game, and neither does that green bar under ppls names either, clearly shown on for example Spudnik, guy has tons of it but lacks the knowledge to give advice on most stuff.

How much post count have you gained trying to refute ppls arguments with this kind of BS Serelina?
About 1.4k.
i'm not the one who posts asking for advice then slams people who try and give it.

and people are obviously alt accounts...it's not that hard to tell.
i'm not the one who posts asking for advice then slams people who try and give it.

and people are obviously alt accounts...it's not that hard to tell.
I dont need alt acc to tell you to **** :)
Dont start QQing plx...
Can some1 explain me how is it possible to stun through hide?
/summon nya to talk about legits.

who started to qq first?
Serelina - Farming post count 1-liner by 1-liner.

Add something to the arguments/discussion and dont let this turn into a arena fight trashtalk session pls.
Serelina - Farming post count 1-liner by 1-liner.

Add something to the arguments/discussion and dont let this turn into a arena fight trashtalk session pls.

he asked for help then yelled at the people who try. boo hoo for him. if he's been hero 8 times but qq's about someone taking his new skill away from him doesn't deserve to be hero and was obviously fed. if he was hero 8 times prior to gracia final, he should be able to win a fight without it.

again, this whole thread is just him taking a ride on the wahmbulance with sirens blaring.

smittie, i had expected more from you in regards to this thread. also, farming stuff...what was your contribution and advice for the OP?

enough...close the thread and submit a petition like you should have to start with.
he asked for help then yelled at the people who try. boo hoo for him. if he's been hero 8 times but qq's about someone taking his new skill away from him doesn't deserve to be hero and was obviously fed. if he was hero 8 times prior to gracia final, he should be able to win a fight without it.

again, this whole thread is just him taking a ride on the wahmbulance with sirens blaring.

smittie, i had expected more from you in regards to this thread. also, farming stuff...what was your contribution and advice for the OP?

enough...close the thread and submit a petition like you should have to start with.
Well I did this thread not for u :) Just want to hear some explanation of GM's etc. And thx for u idiotic ideas, i lol'd.
P.S. I dont play kostoglot btw, just posted this **** :)
He is actually reporting something that shouldnt be able to happen, hide breaks on action, and you become visible. But he has hide still and is stunned. Which means something is wrong. You cant stun a hidden target, since you cant target it.

My contribution was pointing out your logical fallacy, sry if that hurt your feelings.
the logical fallacy was him coming to the forums and not petitioning it straight away.
the logical fallacy was him coming to the forums and not petitioning it straight away.


+1 mailing this to NCSoft will make the GM's look at it....posting it here in the forum QQ about it won't help.


and to the OP: try to be nice to people that tryes to answer your questions...it will be beneficial for you when you grow up and you will have alot more friends.
Yes,my bad,it do lasts 1 min :)
And i created my account only recently because I needed to write a PM to someone on the forum.
And rest assured that's I'm not one's alt,again,dont talk about things you dont know.
And rest assured that's I'm not one's alt,again,dont talk about things you dont know.

prove yourself before you claim you know what you're talking about.

whether people like me or not, disagree with me or not, most people know that i'm a reliable source of game mechanics and somewhat fresh, radical ideas.
1. a person who was asking a question is not a hero (at least for now)
2. Possible explanation is augment, of course. Or, prolly some augment\skills that reveals jidden objects? (IDN, really)
3. BOt programms.... well..you should really log to any private server just to try pvping when in OOG mode (out-of-game). Cause, obviously you can't use IG (in game) due to lack of visibility of hided opponents, right? And when pvping\exping in OOG version it's rather HARD to target, then use skill, then target again....etc. etc...


P.S. Re***, nice titul :)
a big LOL @ ra*** or localhost talking about anyone ELSE not being legit.

What's the matter? Does it stop being fun when your opponents use your software against you?

Seriously.....pot...kettle.....black....you get the idea.
Well first of all I want to get answer from GM's and if this **** that nozee used not bannable - I'll use it against daggers too :)

P.S. kostoglot - not my char btw :)
Cause, obviously you can't use IG (in game) due to lack of visibility of hided opponents, right?



Wrong. The program that was probably used here doesn't have "OOG" version.
Wrong. The program that was probably used here doesn't have "OOG" version.

another programm besides l2wa and good%% ? WOW....
while i dont understand the whole post count thing. ra*** or w hatever is being a jerk, and needs to calm himself down when people try to give him an answer.

also. i don tknow squat about hide really, but here is my theory that is OUTSIDE of illegal software theories. and more along the liens of unintended bug

->Hide:Hides the user. Movement speed is decreased by 30%, and the effect is canceled if any action other than movement is initiated.<-

as stated if hide lasts 1 minute and cancles if any other action other thanmovement is initiated. the use of the SKILL sprint, which is also clearly seen as having been activated. Must have had some sort of cancling effect on the HIDE skill. as sprint while itis a MOVEMENT skill is obviously a skill that improves movement. and isnt in itself just movement. i dont know if this is the reason or not. but sprint may have made that person visible.

(Wow such bad typos. i must be really tired.)
only way to target people in hide is sniffer or any other of those russian pvp assist progs, sorry.

If it was an aoe skill I 'd say fine, he cast it just in case, but no way can he shield stun you while you 're in hide
There wouldn't be so much flames if serelina would just admit that he's was talking about things he don't actually know and stoped trying to look for legit explanaition.
You all are talking about stuff you have no idea about.

1. target dagger before he use hide
2. after he do hide you lose target
3. but if u press button with skill like Shield Stun or Tribunal it is working, you run to target (which you actually don't have) and do skill

There is no any bot/radar software involved like ra***/local are trying to tell us.

It is how the game is designed atm. It can be a bug or a future, it's up to NCSoft.
I was thinking about bug or feature, but never that this can be future.
while i dont understand the whole post count thing. ra*** or w hatever is being a jerk, and needs to calm himself down when people try to give him an answer.

also. i don tknow squat about hide really, but here is my theory that is OUTSIDE of illegal software theories. and more along the liens of unintended bug

->Hide:Hides the user. Movement speed is decreased by 30%, and the effect is canceled if any action other than movement is initiated.<-

as stated if hide lasts 1 minute and cancles if any other action other thanmovement is initiated. the use of the SKILL sprint, which is also clearly seen as having been activated. Must have had some sort of cancling effect on the HIDE skill. as sprint while itis a MOVEMENT skill is obviously a skill that improves movement. and isnt in itself just movement. i dont know if this is the reason or not. but sprint may have made that person visible.

(Wow such bad typos. i must be really tired.)
Cant u see that hide effect lasts 18 sec more? U have to understand that if buff cancelled u cant see it @ ur bar...
oh wait... Kain, err.. Aria Server: Shillien Knight - level 72 Warsmith - level 56 Warcryer - level 54 Terri the Strider - level 55
Seems u know a lot about oly and hide :>


Anyways still lf answer of GM :>

And btw guys dont try to act smart... I made 400+ matches this month on oly, 30% were dagger vs mage fights and when I was loosing target - I couldnt use skills.
Pls dont say bull**** about u can use skills if u had ur opponent in target before he used hide.
KK TY.
You all are talking about stuff you have no idea about.

1. target dagger before he use hide
2. after he do hide you lose target
3. but if u press button with skill like Shield Stun or Tribunal it is working, you run to target (which you actually don't have) and do skill

There is no any bot/radar software involved like ra***/local are trying to tell us.

It is how the game is designed atm. It can be a bug or a future, it's up to NCSoft.

ROFL ... please tell me you just made this up and it's not a "line" ... cause you do realize, there's more than 1 tank in NA and tbh there's more than 1 Tank doing oly vs daggers

And just for the record the post I m quoting is utter bullcrap ... if you have a dagger on target and he goes on hide none of your skills will work on him, not stun, not judgement, not root nothing.

If you have radar you can retarget the dagger and use whatever non damage skills you have you can't attack him
LF Official answer from a GM on this issue. All others are just our assumptions.
A long time ago I was killed while I had celestial btw
you guys are talking about the same thing, and saying different COMPLETELY different things. How is that even possible? I thought only I could lie like that :p lol
LF Official answer from a GM on this issue. All others are just our assumptions.
A long time ago I was killed while I had celestial btw


only way to get an answer from GM is to send them a mail. they won't reply to you here.
only way to get an answer from GM is to send them a mail. they won't reply to you here.
Spam did if before, so we will just wait :)
Spam left l2 and I haven't seen any of the new GMs post yet
...

Just go to oly and test it. It works as I've described.
Cant u see that hide effect lasts 18 sec more? U have to understand that if buff cancelled u cant see it @ ur bar...
oh wait...
Seems u know a lot about oly and hide :>


He clearly said that he didn't know "squat" about hide. You're just being a jerk.

I'm glad you got pawned :D
Just go to oly and test it. It works as I've described.

I did test it in oly last month, it doesn't work, you don't even move if a dagger goes in hide and you hit shield bash/stun/whatever ... only person that could stun daggers with hide was a guy with radar.

And I just retested in arena.
Kinda offtopic, but, I remember Hide being 30secs in PTS, they changed it to 1 min now in Live O_o?

Regarding thread, also I remember that when a person targeted a dagger, and the dagger went in Hide, the person lose his target and couldnt use any skill directly to the dagger, but if you use some AOE skill it works (the dagger loses Hide state). But this isnt the case, since that Stun in the pic of the OP must be executed only in a targeted person, so it's cleary not right. IMO it is some kind of 3rd party program likes others said.

I dont have a 81+ dagger and all what I posted above was based in PTS, wich didn't change when it became Live afaik.

And yeah, my english sux I hope everyone understand, or try at least :P.
Spam left l2 and I haven't seen any of the new GMs post yet

New GMs too busy banning bots?
Do they even ban 3rd party program cheaters anymore? discuss.
Hide lasts 1 min not 30s and has quie a cooldown. If you look at the screen you can clearly see that only 18s of hide left and character is under stun?

Why do you talk about things you dont know. Hide is 30s.
If we take the information about canceling hide in case of any dmg I would say yes - it is using 3rd party program like Photoshop.
If we take the information about canceling hide in case of any AoE dmg I would say yes - it is using 3rd party program
Fixed. :>
If we take the information about canceling hide in case of any dmg I would say yes - it is using 3rd party program like Photoshop.

shield stun = 0 dmg, you fail at logic
shield stun = 0 dmg, you fail at logic
Im not sure but imo some1 has to test root and other debuffs :)
i think what the other person was saying is that if they had already pressed the button to shield slam you and are currently running towards you and you hide after the button press...they may still run to you and slam you. reason this might be is that before gracia final, toggles and such made you stop action. after gracia final, toggles just toggle and don't do a /forcestop after toggling...what this could mean is that it's an actual bug that needs fixing since it would imply several things.

have you and your clan submitted the petition yet? have everyone submit it at the same time and you'll definitely get a response.
i think what the other person was saying is that if they had already pressed the button to shield slam you and are currently running towards you and you hide after the button press...they may still run to you and slam you. reason this might be is that before gracia final, toggles and such made you stop action. after gracia final, toggles just toggle and don't do a /forcestop after toggling...what this could mean is that it's an actual bug that needs fixing since it would imply several things.

have you and your clan submitted the petition yet? have everyone submit it at the same time and you'll definitely get a response.
Maybe it would work for one shield slam, but not 3.
has ra*** been testing any of this out or just waiting on a gm to solve everything...'cause generally spam was the only in-game gm that solved problems on the forums.

also, maybe the tank used aoe hate and it made the dagger visible to it? first thing i'd try, to be honest.
has ra*** been testing any of this out or just waiting on a gm to solve everything...'cause generally spam was the only in-game gm that solved problems on the forums.

also, maybe the tank used aoe hate and it made the dagger visible to it? first thing i'd try, to be honest.

Hide is still active... So no, AoE hate can't be the case, since it would be removed when dealing/receiving damage. I'm not even sure aura of hate would cause the dagger to attack (can't be targeted, just like your allies won't react to hate). There is no way no how as to how it can come to pass legit, sorry serelina. There are only a handful of classes that can bring a dagger out of hide, and most of them are either archers or have AoE damage surrounding the caster. Shield stun is *not* one of them (since, as you can see, the tank can stun the dagger, but not attack, otherwise there would have been some cp loss already)
radar is strong =o
=o
Serelina seriously ****... You call your self as a good source of l2 mechanics but you should know that your knowlegde is limited to your level.
IMO within the first second of putting on hide you can still hit the dagger.

I was standing next to a dagger, she hit hide and I saw it, I put the cursor over her head to target her and hit a skill. I had myself on target the whole time. She was never on my target and went invisible, and I had no skill animation, but the bar over my head to indicate a skill being performed showed, and then my skill hit her and she was out of hide. Make of it what you will, but in the first second of the skill first being used, the dagger can still be targeted before they become invisible, and hit with a single target skill while hidden if so.

I have also seen a Soul Hound steal hide, which she probably did right as the dagger cast it, before target was lost I guess.

So imo in this case the tank had target and hit the skill before or as the dagger was going into hide.
but hate can be enchanted for a debuff and even if it's not, it still would land on a hidden dagger, potentially revealing his location to the tank.

if i knew any daggers, i'd try it out myself but i keep to myself.
Serelina seriously ****... You call your self as a good source of l2 mechanics but you should know that your knowlegde is limited to your level.

So is your knowledge.
but hate can be enchanted for a debuff and even if it's not, it still would land on a hidden dagger, potentially revealing his location to the tank.

if i knew any daggers, i'd try it out myself but i keep to myself.

AGAIN LOL! Seriously are blind or what? If dagger receives any kind of damage Hide disapears. Got few times it happen with warlord on oly when using AOE skills.
So imo in this case the tank had target and hit the skill before or as the dagger was going into hide.

I am not going to disagree with that, however the dagger had been in hide for longer than that. It had had 3 shield stuns on it (shield stun doesn't last 10 seconds), so it had to be used again because in the screenshot the TH is stunned.. so the previous 2 stuns couldnt have been cast before hide, nor does the screenshot show hide being used. Therefore the 3 stuns happened after hide was cast. And since hide is still triggered before stuns, even if 1 stun is used, clearly it didn't break hide and therefore the other 2 stuns could not occur.

Hmm, i got to keep an eye out for stealing hide then, that could be quite mean in the hands of a soul hound :p
Shield slam doesn't do damage, so it won't take the dagger out of hide, and if he initiated it as the dagger hid he could still have hit it, and Shield Slam is spammable, so he could have done it three times with the dagger still hid. IMO
Serelina seriously ****... You call your self as a good source of l2 mechanics but you should know that your knowlegde is limited to your level.

AGAIN LOL! Seriously are blind or what? If dagger receives any kind of damage Hide disapears. Got few times it happen with warlord on oly when using AOE skills.

i'm a 79 ET that's been playing since prelude. i'd say i know quite a bit about this game.

aoe hate could land on the dagger and reveal the dagger on the tank's screen and since there's no damage done, hide wouldn't cycle off but the tank could still target them. may as well try it...it might work. i mean since the OP doesn't have anything else to do besides complain on the forums instead of petition like he should have from the start.
i'm a 79 ET that's been playing since prelude. i'd say i know quite a bit about this game.

aoe hate could land on the dagger and reveal the dagger on the tank's screen and since there's no damage done, hide wouldn't cycle off but the tank could still target them. may as well try it...it might work. i mean since the OP doesn't have anything else to do besides complain on the forums instead of petition like he should have from the start.

You obviously dont know anything about this game
i'm a 79 ET that's been playing since prelude. i'd say i know quite a bit about this game.

aoe hate could land on the dagger and reveal the dagger on the tank's screen and since there's no damage done, hide wouldn't cycle off but the tank could still target them. may as well try it...it might work. i mean since the OP doesn't have anything else to do besides complain on the forums instead of petition like he should have from the start.

u cant target someone in hide if it revealed the dagger the buff icon of hide would be gone and ye y post it on boards use support ticket
hahaha.. cry cry
So good to see OP classes getting owned..
the OP hasn't even said if his clan petitioned it or if he even won the match even due to the lack of a skill that does absolutely no damage at all.
so, 5 pages of trash talkings, any result? Any recent discoveries about "how the hell it happened" ??? ty
Hmm, i got to keep an eye out for stealing hide then, that could be quite mean in the hands of a soul hound :p

It's not that useful tbh. Beyond say waiting for Steal Divinity to go up again to make sure all of the daggers buffs are gone. The way I deal with Hide daggers is similar to what I do with Doombringers. Since Warp can be used before the counter reaches zero, you have time to use it about twice and basically get right into the opponents gate area by the start of the match.
Spread Wing has a radius larger than the corridor (unless they kite backwards) so you can usually knock them out of it as soon as they use it unless they start it waaay in advance of the start timer (they don't move 'that' fast, unless it's an Adv) in which case I turtle for a bit.
It's dangerous being this close to a dagger at the start as random trick/switch spam can disrupt Steal Divinity. also you can be bluffed before you've had the chance to take Focus Death/Chance/Power and sometimes they even use UE (lols). After the first steal and saving Blink to get them to use up their Shadow Step, you can freely kite a dagger nuke it to death. This is usually what happens when I fight them. Depends of how high and over-geared they are though...
bump! :D
bump! :D

bumping is against the rules on this forum as is asking for a gm response.

did you even mass-petition the problem in-game yet? did you try any of the suggestions we gave you to experiment with? how about you actually contribute back instead of just acting like a botted hero who gets mad because their shining new skill was circumvented?

need i remind you that you still haven't answered the question of if you/clanmate even won the match in spite of the skill you're complaining about dealing absolutely no damage whatsoever?
bumping is against the rules on this forum as is asking for a gm response.

did you even mass-petition the problem in-game yet? did you try any of the suggestions we gave you to experiment with? how about you actually contribute back instead of just acting like a botted hero who gets mad because their shining new skill was circumvented?

need i remind you that you still haven't answered the question of if you/clanmate even won the match in spite of the skill you're complaining about dealing absolutely no damage whatsoever?
You obviously dont know anything about this game (c)
Sooo, Dont talk to me!
You obviously dont know anything about this game (c)
Sooo, Dont talk to me!

still no answer of if the dagger actually played his toon to know how to beat a tank without using a skill that does absolutely no damage?

aww, boo hoo?
it has nothing to do with that specific fight. The dagger wouldnt win the fight in any case. But still this shouldnt be supposed to happen. Thats the point of the entire discussion and u somehow fail to understand it.
Serelina...

Why the heck do u realy post?

Are u competing in a Post war or something? or did u just droped by to say hello?
cose 90% of your posts are just for the sake of posting!!!

Pls post less think more!

Anyway... it is obvious that Lolzee uses smthing funky...

But Hide skill in general has some issues...

If the dagger starts the match w/o being hidden... then summons can track dagger(w/o initiating any attack ofc )
cubics trigger (but their effect starts when the dagger initiates an attack )

Stun though from a PK... nah...

PS: I dont want nozee to get banned though... Idiots like him realy make the game fun for the rest
Stanqq!!!
but hate can be enchanted for a debuff and even if it's not, it still would land on a hidden dagger, potentially revealing his location to the tank.

if i knew any daggers, i'd try it out myself but i keep to myself.

i'm a 79 ET that's been playing since prelude. i'd say i know quite a bit about this game.

aoe hate could land on the dagger and reveal the dagger on the tank's screen and since there's no damage done, hide wouldn't cycle off but the tank could still target them. may as well try it...it might work. i mean since the OP doesn't have anything else to do besides complain on the forums instead of petition like he should have from the start.

You can't reveal a dagger as a tank unless you have an augment that has a point blank aoe effect doing damage, I don't know of any, afaik they are all targeted.
But if you reveal a dagger you remove his buff and he becomes visible to everyone, not just you. If he has the buff effect on him he is untargetable by anybody using a normal client.

He was hit 3 times with Shield stun, 1 is possible if you do it at the start of him using the skill. 2 and above is not possible without third party targeting help.

There is only 2 ways this screenshot can be true, Photoshop, or third party assist program. And it doesn't look photoshopped.

I am not going to disagree with that, however the dagger had been in hide for longer than that. It had had 3 shield stuns on it (shield stun doesn't last 10 seconds), so it had to be used again because in the screenshot the TH is stunned.. so the previous 2 stuns couldnt have been cast before hide, nor does the screenshot show hide being used. Therefore the 3 stuns happened after hide was cast. And since hide is still triggered before stuns, even if 1 stun is used, clearly it didn't break hide and therefore the other 2 stuns could not occur.

Hmm, i got to keep an eye out for stealing hide then, that could be quite mean in the hands of a soul hound :pYou would only be able to do that if the dagger waited till after the countdown stops to use it.

so, 5 pages of trash talkings, any result? Any recent discoveries about "how the hell it happened" ??? tyPretty clear from the start. third party program. There's no point in chain-stunning without attacking, 3 times in a row with not a single hit made.

the OP hasn't even said if his clan petitioned it or if he even won the match even due to the lack of a skill that does absolutely no damage at all.It doesn't matter if the match was won or lost, it was probably lost since its a dagger vs a tank. but even if he had won it, that doesn't change anything, his opponent is still doing something he shouldn't be able to.
I've had PBAoE Dark and Holy damage augments, so there are probably many of them.

How many keep them, however, is a different matter. I didn't keep mine, but they were from low level augments anyways.

I know my OL got a PBAoE Dark Nuke that could almost 2 shot FoTD MOBs, though...
i've gotten 6 people give me rep so far saying that the people on this thread are just being outright ***** towards me for little to no reason and saying that he should have just petitioned it instead of qq'ing here.

there's a way to refute suggestions...try them and see if they're wrong. sneezingtiger is actually contributing, as am i. it's ironic that i'm getting flamed for posting with no content at all when i'm one of the first people to come up with suggestions for testing and those that are flaming have just stopped by to troll.

if you think my idea is stupid, why not refute it like sneezingtiger after you try it out and not just grab the +16 flamethrower of stupidity w/focus?

also, daggers are on the downside vs. a tank but it's still very possible to beat them. if the tank *was* using a program, it's likely he didn't know how to play his character anyway giving the dagger a heightened chance. unless of course the dagger was botted as well and didn't know how to play his toon, either?
playing a botted toon =/= knowing to play your toon

there is no way a Phoenix Knight with the equipment of Nozee can lose to a dagger, no matter the lvl, or the gear, or the player skill. Except ofc if Nozee wants to lose or is afk
playing a botted toon =/= knowing to play your toon

there is no way a Phoenix Knight with the equipment of Nozee can lose to a dagger, no matter the lvl, or the gear, or the player skill. Except ofc if Nozee wants to lose or is afk


Is not about if a tank can lose to a dagger or not man, is about him cheating the crap out of this game and having the guts to do it during oly. So no mater what i do hope GM's are investigating this and i do hope it was petition about it also.
then that leaves only one option...they're both cheating.

the PK for using a third party program.

the dagger for not submitting a petition because he doesn't want the GM's to pay any attention to him at his random botting times.
then that leaves only one option...they're both cheating.

the PK for using a third party program.

the dagger for not submitting a petition because he doesn't want the GM's to pay any attention to him at his random botting times.
Why are u so stupid to understand that Im not kostoglot? Is it so hard?
And btw Kostoglot doesnt care about petitioning and I just made a question on boards. And u are saying that he is cheating, I lol'd.
Why are u so stupid to understand that Im not kostoglot? Is it so hard?
And btw Kostoglot doesnt care about petitioning and I just made a question on boards. And u are saying that he is cheating, I lol'd.

why are you so stupid so as to not understand the english language. when you said it wasn't you, i refer to the dagger as 'the dagger' and not ra***. i refer to you directly for qq'ing because you probably have your computer playing your toon and have nothing better to do than to troll the forums.

if the dagger doesn't care, why do you? besides...it's not like oly is actually about skill. it's about who's clan cheated the most and has the most nobles to feed from.
why are you so stupid so as to not understand the english language. when you said it wasn't you, i refer to the dagger as 'the dagger' and not ra***. i refer to you directly for qq'ing because you probably have your computer playing your toon and have nothing better to do than to troll the forums.

if the dagger doesn't care, why do you? besides...it's not like oly is actually about skill. it's about who's clan cheated the most and has the most nobles to feed from.
And you are trying to talk to guy that doesnt enter this forum and you are calling him a cheater? ******?
i refer to you directly for qq'ing because you probably have your computer playing your toon and have nothing better to do than to troll the forums.

U told that because of nothing to say? Or because I dont see any logic in ur posts?
And you are trying to talk to guy that doesnt enter this forum and you are calling him a cheater? ******?

U told that because of nothing to say? Or because I dont see any logic in ur posts?

again...understand english, please. whenever i was informed that you weren't the dagger, i stopped referring to you as such. it really would help things along if you would pay attention; though, i already know that's a useless statement because you don't pay attention to any of the rules:

don't bump posts.
don't post asking for gm response.
no useless flaming.
post in the proper section.
don't double-post if you can help it.
don't interfere with other people's petitionable matters.

there's plenty of logic in my posts, there's just no logic in this whole entire thread if all you do is just bash everyone who tries to help. i've already said this...again, it'd help if you follow along -- unless you're letting your computer play your toon *AND* troll the forums for you as well?
again...understand english, please. whenever i was informed that you weren't the dagger, i stopped referring to you as such. it really would help things along if you would pay attention; though, i already know that's a useless statement because you don't pay attention to any of the rules:

don't bump posts.
don't post asking for gm response.
no useless flaming.
post in the proper section.
don't double-post if you can help it.
don't interfere with other people's petitionable matters.

there's plenty of logic in my posts, there's just no logic in this whole entire thread if all you do is just bash everyone who tries to help. i've already said this...again, it'd help if you follow along -- unless you're letting your computer play your toon *AND* troll the forums for you as well?
Since u are not GM, u cant help, got the point?
And stop telling me this **** about forum rules (posting in proper section, double posting bla bla), dont remind me my mother's style pls, ty.
too much crying in this thread tbh but i will say that stating a dagger can't beat class or lvl X is a bit lol with their skill set
then that leaves only one option...they're both cheating.

the PK for using a third party program.

the dagger for not submitting a petition because he doesn't want the GM's to pay any attention to him at his random botting times.

that doesn't make any sense... no matter how you look at it.
that doesn't make any sense... no matter how you look at it.

that was before it was expressly made clear that the dagger doesn't actually care. which makes this thread even more pointless.

p.s. -- like what i did with the identifier 'expressly' there? get it? cause it took 6 pages. bah, nevermind.
then that leaves only one option...they're both cheating.

the PK for using a third party program.

the dagger for not submitting a petition because he doesn't want the GM's to pay any attention to him at his random botting times.

Example of "Why ppl should NOT smoke Crack when they post"
Example of "Why ppl should NOT smoke Crack when they post"

wow...an alt on an internet forum just hurts so much.

grow up and come back on your main account and actually be productive?
Its not like your 1530 post count is worth more than Eilshannah's 32. Dont try to act almighty lol.

And speaking of mains, we dont know your server or your toons name.
besides...it's not like oly is actually about skill. it's about who's clan cheated the most and has the most nobles to feed from.


+1
And speaking of mains, we dont know your server or your toons name.

smittie, i'm amazed you don't know who i am...all the other locals know i'm an ET. i've said my server before, as well.

edit -- yes, i know that sounded stuck up. it was meant to be.
smittie, i'm amazed you don't know who i am...all the other locals know i'm an ET. i've said my server before, as well.

edit -- yes, i know that sounded stuck up. it was meant to be.

Ya, I know you are an Evas Templar, you bring that up enough, so noone can forget. Its you and nanashi that keeps feeling sorry about yourselves for making such poor choices in mains, seeing as how both your classes "sux ***".

Play them if you enjoy them, but stop posting how sucky they are all the time. The rest of the community got tired of hearing about tanks and dwarves ages ago.
Ya, I know you are an Evas Templar, you bring that up enough, so noone can forget. Its you and nanashi that keeps feeling sorry about yourselves for making such poor choices in mains, seeing as how both your classes "sux ***".

Play them if you enjoy them, but stop posting how sucky they are all the time. The rest of the community got tired of hearing about tanks and dwarves ages ago.

i love the class...i just think they're grossly imbalanced.
i've gotten 6 people give me rep so far saying that the people on this thread are just being outright ***** towards me for little to no reason and saying that he should have just petitioned it instead of qq'ing here.

there's a way to refute suggestions...try them and see if they're wrong. sneezingtiger is actually contributing,as am i. it's ironic that i'm getting flamed for posting with no content at all when i'm one of the first people to come up with suggestions for testing and those that are flaming have just stopped by to troll.

if you think my idea is stupid, why not refute it like sneezingtiger after you try it out and not just grab the +16 flamethrower of stupidity w/focus?

also, daggers are on the downside vs. a tank but it's still very possible to beat them. if the tank *was* using a program, it's likely he didn't know how to play his character anyway giving the dagger a heightened chance. unless of course the dagger was botted as well and didn't know how to play his toon, either?

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.
I'm not really contributing anything either, I only posted to clear up how the game mechanics funtion, I think most people apart from you had already understood that, thats why you got all the hate.
Perhaps you're not as familiar with the game mechanics as you think you are?
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.
I'm not really contributing anything either, I only posted to clear up how the game mechanics funtion, I think most people apart from you had already understood that, thats why you got all the hate.
Perhaps you're not as familiar with the game mechanics as you think you are?

or perhaps i'm familiar with certain loopholes that existed in the earliest days of l2 that they might not have fixed yet.

i used to love going red on my summon in the middle of town when i played my elemental summoner...then having my summon kill me to take the karma off.

i put on dinner theater occasionally before they fixed the xformation and no pet thing...i knew how to have my fenrir out and be xformed into a pig so i would run around town screaming that he blew my house down and i had nowhere to hide.

i'm also the person that figured out that a summoner could power-level people by being really far away from the actual summon.

also, my clan used to keep me in group even when i was in giran and they were in ToI just as long as i had my life cubic out...could be 5 towns away and it'd still fire and heal them.


summation: try before you bash as stranger things have happened and still will.
or perhaps i'm familiar with certain loopholes that existed in the earliest days of l2 that they might not have fixed yet.
loopholes that existed with hide before hide was introduced?.. ok, if you say so.

i used to love going red on my summon in the middle of town when i played my elemental summoner...then having my summon kill me to take the karma off.
that still has nothing to do with hide.

i put on dinner theater occasionally before they fixed the xformation and no pet thing...i knew how to have my fenrir out and be xformed into a pig so i would run around town screaming that he blew my house down and i had nowhere to hide.
Still nothing to do with hide.. And who didn't know that one?


i'm also the person that figured out that a summoner could power-level people by being really far away from the actual summon.
Yea. I'm sure you're the first and only person to ever figure that out. Most people keep that sort of information to themselves
That was again a completely different bug
also, my clan used to keep me in group even when i was in giran and they were in ToI just as long as i had my life cubic out...could be 5 towns away and it'd still fire and heal them.
just a missing max range, nothing special

summation: try before you bash as stranger things have happened and still will.
Stranger things have indeed happened, this isn't strange at all. It's not a bug with the game, it's missing server security, the problem is that the server allows an action like that without checking if it is possible. If there was a button to do it in the normal client it would be the same for you with a normal client
kitty goes rawr indeed
back in earlier chronicles, if you used aoe hate without a target, it'd auto-target the closest mob that it hit...doesn't anymore but it might still do so in pvp since nc devs are obviously lazy.

every single time i did the RP little piggy thing, i had at least two or three people pm'ing me wanting to know how i did it.

everything is related, just have to have an open mind, unlike ra***.
u clearly have no idea bout what the hide skill works u keep mentioning random stuff that has nothing to do with the skill or screenshot of the OP.

u should had stopped with when u said op should had contacted support instead of posting on forum that noone rlly cares bout instead of keep bumping ur post count.
except i don't care about my post count, but you're right...i should have stopped since this has become a "let's bash the help" thread and everyone brought extra lynching sticks.
yet u bring up the post count issue a couple of times....
in referance to people trying to hide their identity by using a box account as an alt instead.
and u assume they r alts coz of the post count? o.O;

righttt....
i assume they're alts because of the infrequent postings on the entire forum and how they just pop in to "back up" the OP.
except i don't care about my post count, but you're right...i should have stopped since this has become a "let's bash the help" thread and everyone brought extra lynching sticks.

you are not "help"
you are not "help"

as it turns out, no one is "help" because the OP isn't looking for help...he's just looking to qq.

maybe we should just drop this since it hasn't gone anywhere after 7 pages and all you're doing now is padding your own count.
as it turns out, no one is "help" because the OP isn't looking for help...he's just looking to qq.

maybe we should just drop this since it hasn't gone anywhere after 7 pages and all you're doing now is padding your own count.
rly? I thought any GM is "help".

So again all u need to do is **** :>
they went to aion ;)
Whoever knows bugs with hide won't be talking openly about it until the bug is patched. In the meantime let's wait 4 years to patch it ehhh? I should hit 81 on my dagger right about then.
rly? I thought any GM is "help".

So again all u need to do is **** :>

right...and the rules are you're not allowed to ask for a gm response on these forums. so who's the one who screwed up?
as it turns out, no one is "help" because the OP isn't looking for help...he's just looking to qq.

maybe we should just drop this since it hasn't gone anywhere after 7 pages and all you're doing now is padding your own count.

that is hilarious comming from you
I dont care about my post count, they can wipe it for all I care.

I don't care about post count, rep or join date, (I know your brain probably doesn't comprehend that rep means nothing, but i really couldn't give a ***) all i care about is the topic I'm replying to at the time.
that is hilarious comming from you
I dont care about my post count, they can wipe it for all I care.

I don't care about post count, rep or join date, (I know your brain probably doesn't comprehend that rep means nothing, but i really couldn't give a ***) all i care about is the topic I'm replying to at the time.

which, as you claim, is a stupid topic with a stupid purpose so why do you even care about it?
which, as you claim, is a stupid topic with a stupid purpose so why do you even care about it?

because you keep quoting my post asking for some sort of response.
because you keep quoting my post asking for some sort of response.

i do? wonder why, do you think?
What is written there is false,just tried it myself,I had the dagger targeted,he went into hide,and than the target vanished.
What is written there is false,just tried it myself,I had the dagger targeted,he went into hide,and than the target vanished.

Did you by any chance attempt to use any skills? Was he flagged during hide so you could actually use a skill like shield stun?
you lose target when someone transforms as well, or YOU don't, you still have a target, but the server says you don't, and the server is always right, there are many inconsistencies like that between server and client.
a big LOL @ ra*** or localhost talking about anyone ELSE not being legit.

What's the matter? Does it stop being fun when your opponents use your software against you?

Seriously.....pot...kettle.....black....you get the idea.

yep. i'm on sayha and i could smell the credit card receipts from there.

the logical fallacy was him coming to the forums and not petitioning it straight away.

truth.

+1 mailing this to NCSoft will make the GM's look at it....posting it here in the forum QQ about it won't help.


and to the OP: try to be nice to people that tryes to answer your questions...it will be beneficial for you when you grow up and you will have alot more friends.

this is how the legit people try and act towards eachother.

Well first of all I want to get answer from GM's and if this **** that nozee used not bannable - I'll use it against daggers too :)

P.S. kostoglot - not my char btw :)

you've already been told you won't get an answer here, even if the gm's hadn't all been xferred to aion already.

You all are talking about stuff you have no idea about.

1. target dagger before he use hide
2. after he do hide you lose target
3. but if u press button with skill like Shield Stun or Tribunal it is working, you run to target (which you actually don't have) and do skill

There is no any bot/radar software involved like ra***/local are trying to tell us.

It is how the game is designed atm. It can be a bug or a future, it's up to NCSoft.

several people have said this and i've actually tried it. shield slam worked in gludin arena against a hidden dagger.

it's basically the same thing that used to happen with portas in cruma. porta pulls the tank which used hate from a distance, healer loses target but could still throw a heal on him without target.

end of thread...see what happens when you actually try stuff that people suggest instead of bashing them?
I'm a STS,so I dont got shield slam,but I tried to use all my skills (nothing worked).
Today I will try to find a friend with shield slam and test if it can be used.
truth.

Are u talking to yourself here? Sry but I lol'd :D :D :D


this is how the legit people try and act towards eachother.

You are making conclusion about how legit I am by my posts here? I lol'd again...
And btw, sry, im not wasting my time for ******s or those who knows nothing about game, I just tell them to gfto from that thread. Understood?


end of thread...see what happens when you actually try stuff that people suggest instead of bashing them?

As I said before, if u know nothing about l2 -> **** and make ur post count in another thread, ty.

P.S. What can u say about my post count? Am I legit? Check it pls :)
this forum is part of the game, as you need a paid subscription to the game to post here. there are rules to this forum...which you're blissfully ignorant (in more than one way) of.

as such, based on your own reasoning, you know nothing about the game. i gave you your answer, tested it, gave it to you again so i can safely tell you by *your* rules...****.
this forum is part of the game, as you need a paid subscription to the game to post here. there are rules to this forum...which you're blissfully ignorant (in more than one way) of.

as such, based on your own reasoning, you know nothing about the game. i gave you your answer, tested it, gave it to you again so i can safely tell you by *your* rules...****.
QQ.
are you still waiting for an answer that will never come on these forums?

send them a mail with your problem and you will get your answer in few days.
+ post count QQ? /troll
+ post count QQ? /troll

i gave him possible suggestions, tested one of the ones brought up, and confirmed it for a solid answer. how is that trolling? and what have you brought to the table...guess you were calling yourself a troll?
i gave same "QQ" anwser as u tho =(
i gave him possible suggestions, tested one of the ones brought up, and confirmed it for a solid answer. how is that trolling? and what have you brought to the table...guess you were calling yourself a troll?
It was an obvious troll attempt.
It was an obvious troll attempt.

on ra***'s part, i agree.

equal reaction in everything, i suppose.
i really like those S80 sets...**** they look great!
I did this again, in oly... had the dagger targeted, he hid before match start, lost target, match began, I hit skill, doesn't look like anything happen but I hit him with it while he is hidden; even had skill and damage confirmed in my system messages. SO, worth trying imo if you are fighting a hide dagger.
Hi All,

Thanks to those who have reported this issue in a constructive manner. This information was delivered to our QA team both via petitions that were sent through the Customer Service process as well as e-mailed by myself last week.

Thanks again for your help with this! Let's keep it calm for further discussion in this thread.

-Moxie
I did this again, in oly... had the dagger targeted, he hid before match start, lost target, match began, I hit skill, doesn't look like anything happen but I hit him with it while he is hidden; even had skill and damage confirmed in my system messages. SO, worth trying imo if you are fighting a hide dagger.

he might have had a /target macro from someone watching his matches set up with your name and used a stun augment?

gee...and people say that i don't know game mechanics? i've never been hero but at least i never leave the gate without my target.

moxie -- you're a few weeks late but it's been tested by multiple people, confirmed by multiple people. no further discussion is needed, as it'll just end up in flames again. please close the topic.
Hi All,

Thanks to those who have reported this issue in a constructive manner. This information was delivered to our QA team both via petitions that were sent through the Customer Service process as well as e-mailed by myself last week.

Thanks again for your help with this! Let's keep it calm for further discussion in this thread.

-Moxie

Oh, Hi there.
Hi All,

Thanks to those who have reported this issue in a constructive manner. This information was delivered to our QA team both via petitions that were sent through the Customer Service process as well as e-mailed by myself last week.

Thanks again for your help with this! Let's keep it calm for further discussion in this thread.

-Moxie

el oh el?
Ok next request: remove Hide from the game, kkthnx
Ok next request: remove Hide from the game, kkthnx

next request remove all the stupid kamael skills like disarm/divinity etc etc
next request remove all the stupid kamael skills like disarm/divinity etc etc

last night i had a kamael steal 28 seconds of my vengeance, 119 seconds of my touch of life, bless the body 5, and deflect arrow. enjoy the points.
haha good point! I will enjoy yer points ! OM NOM NOM
in the end, a dagger is all about luck. if the skills land then they win. i watched a berserker get 1 shotted last night by a dagger.

they didn't use hide, by the way.