I think that most of the players posting on the forums are far too busy venting their anger than actually posting good input towards helping the servers grow.
Players need to make their needs more clear and less aggressive if they plan to give the dev team any chance at solving the issues. No developer is going to want to sort through ten pages of capital letter yelling about bots.
For starters, I think players need to accept the fact that bots are a part of lineage 2. No matter how much we complain, nothing ever changes regarding bots. Please accept the bots and give input on some of the aspects of L2 that actually can be fixed...
How about the UI resets, some of the skills that dont work, etc...
Please post kindly and make your objectives clear. Perhaps then the moderators will take your suggestions into consideration. No sense in rambling...Nothing is completed over night, but with the right approach and proper community support, the dev team can get a better handle on what can/needs to be done.
ncwest doesn't have a dev team for L2, it's all done in korea. All ncwest can do with regards to the game is maintain the site (which has fallen behind considerably) and ban bots. Hmm.
Yes, but they are also the ones who relate with ncsoft korea. If they understand what we need, they can pass it on. It all starts with what we post on the forums. The new staff seems eager to help not only with the forums but the game itself. We need to work together as a community to project our goals on the forums in an appropriate manner if we want ncsoft to do what needs to be done.
Not to say that ncwest isn't a mess right now, because they are... But we have to hope for the best...
Perhaps players should bullet point a few of their needs, around the website/forum and in game. What needs to be fixed and what's falling apart. I can then make a large post compiling all the info and maybe the dev team could pass it on.
NCSoft West does not have a dev team for Lineage 2, so our suggestions don't carry any weight. But either way, people should more accept how the game is and perhaps spend more time helping out the community and other players (especially new players) and expand the communitys ressources (aka content community sites)
I think that most of the players posting on the forums are far too busy venting their anger than actually posting good input towards helping the servers grow.
For starters, I think players need to accept the fact that bots are a part of lineage 2. .
Yes we (the players community) are perma-ANGRY because we cannot accept the fact that the lazy bunch of idlers known as NCNA are taking our money yet not doing anything to provide quality customer service.
Let's see, they have been ignoring players' feedback for years, they can't address and fix game related issues within reasonable terms, and, most important, they keep taking that cynical stance "************ and play or quit it for good".
Sometimes I wonder what they would think if they once got to a hospital and the doctor told them: "OK I took your money but I don't think I should be giving you medication any time soon, to me it looks like everything's working as intended... yeah I mean these germs and virii in your organism... they are there by design... So, please post your feedback in our special forum in the thread called 'Official Germ Behavior and Detection Thread' and we will pretend to be actually reading it while allowing you to fight the disease on your own because it is not our job at all! Oh, and thanks for hanging out in our Hospice2... erm, hospital!"
Yeah maybe they are severely underpaid or something, but it still does not excuse the fact that their "GM team" is pretty much non-existant: after all, I am not paid for policing the game at all, so why the heck should I waste my valuable time fighting hordes of bots whereas there MUST be a crew of live, ACTIVE game masters doing it 24/7?
Instead of that, all we see are random (and oh-so-rare) "banhammer"-related discussions, and then, weeks later, the "perma-banned" cheaters' toons are spotted again, silently unbanned by someone's decision.
I'd like to phrase this as simple as possible:
I log in game to relax and have fun, that's what I'm paying my monthly fee for. Instead of that, all I'm getting is frustration because good xp spots are taken by countless bot trains and 90% of the so-called "top players" have either botted their levels or ebayed their gear, or both.
Once again: if I, a player, can log in a few times within a 24-hours span just to witness the fact that there are a few bot trains walking in a good hunting spot, why the HELL some piss-poor god-****ed game master can't do the same???
And yes I mean the 24/7 game monitoring, not these arrogant replies (as they descend to us, once in a year) informing that they are finally done with moving from Austin to Seeattle (grats grats grats on that!) and are going for another 5-years long vacation.
Hi NC, do hear your extremely unsatisfied customer.
P.S. Dixi, et animam levavi.
(for those of you educated enough to understand Latin)
Yes, but they are also the ones who relate with ncsoft korea. If they understand what we need, they can pass it on. It all starts with what we post on the forums. The new staff seems eager to help not only with the forums but the game itself. We need to work together as a community to project our goals on the forums in an appropriate manner if we want ncsoft to do what needs to be done.
Not to say that ncwest isn't a mess right now, because they are... But we have to hope for the best...
Perhaps players should bullet point a few of their needs, around the website/forum and in game. What needs to be fixed and what's falling apart. I can then make a large post compiling all the info and maybe the dev team could pass it on.
We want more Lineage II!!!!
Players have been complaining about everything from spelling mistakes to game mechanic bugs. Nothing ever gets fixed. The website gets updated once a year, a moderator scours through the forum once a week.
There is no point in suggesting anything here, the koreans have already had the expansions for 6 months when we get it, bugs will be discovered there, and any feature here will not be implemented till minimum 1 year after it's suggested due to the nature of development. when it's suggested here, even if it ever got to the real dev team, they're already working on an expansion, it'll be pushed to the next one, that's a 6 months delay, add another 6 months to the time it takes from it goes live in korea till if goes live here.
Plus we play the game "wrong", the game screams PvE at the top of its lungs with it's design. It's played as a PvP game here. Most of the suggestions here are against the game's core design.
It is very clear that they don't care about the players here, I don't blame them, we're insignificant in the Lineage 2 numbers worldwide
It's comments like all of your that are getting us nowhere. Why not try? The game is not going anywhere because YOU'RE giving up on it.
Who said anything about giving up? Cripes, I've been playing the **** game for 5 years. If I was going to give up, I would have been gone a heck of a long time ago.
However, it does not mean that one must be complacent and just take the game as it is. It is incumbent upon us, as consumers, to bring matters to the attention of NCNA, the product provider, to bring about game play improvements. I enjoy the game, but it is far from perfect. So by making said improvements, my enjoyment would increase, and thus also increase the probability that I will continue to spend my hard earned wages to continue to play the game.
So, one can see that it is simply in NCNA's best interests to listen to the customer and see how it can increase the utility of its consumers, and keep the $$ rolling in.
OK, sarcasm aside, you probably understand what I'm getting at.
Its not hard to figure out what the majority of the people want. They want a game as free of bots/3rd party programs as possible. They want the EULAs enforced. What is wrong with that? If NCWest can't/doesn't want to enforce the EULAs then open the game to Botting /3rd party programs...let it become the wild west.
If you read the forum..what are people asking for. What is repeated and repeated and repeated again. Please don't ask us again what do the players want. The only people that want bots are the Adena Sellers. So in many ways because of NCs Lack of action its like they are trying to create an atmosphere where the Adena Sellers have an optimun situation. People that bot for their own use get banned and people that bot in order to sell Adena get off scott free.
Read all the threads that you refuse to.
In the hospital scenerio its like going to the doctor and saying...DrTulp i have chest pains and i think i'm gonna have a heart attack and die. And the good DrTulp saying .....well now tell me what we can do for you...would you like an eye exam....or i know how about us trimming your fingernails.
Just do whatever the Russian people are doing on their servers...its working there.
Am i angry...meh its gets frustrating being asked what the community wants over and over again...surely you can't be that obtuse.
It's comments like all of your that are getting us nowhere. Why not try? The game is not going anywhere because YOU'RE giving up on it.
Whats funny is my roommate has played the game since Beta, and he warned me of all that was going on in the 5 years he's played.
I can see with my own eyes as being a new player that the website is 2 Chronicles behind the content ingame for information.
Lots of Bots running around everywhere that nothing is being done about.
Quests are bugged and don't work right *Go ahead and look at the 2nd class change quest post I did bugged over 48 hours and no GM will help just auto responds*
No Events that NCSoft West players like its all about what Korean's like.
NCSoft West does not have a Dev team to fix these problems or implement events that NCSoft West PAYING CUSTOMERS LIKE
Forums aren't even moderated and if they are they are over moderated to the point of being communist.
Automated GM responces that take 6 hours to get that out of them. 12 Petitions in Que when I did 3 on Saturday, 5 hours later I got a auto responce and petitioned right back and I was #13 STILL after he got to me. If they are doing auto responce EVERY TIME how is there such a big wait to get the ******ed Auto Responce?
I saw in shout on Devianne Server around Noon PST someone saying the Quick Class Change Quest was bugged I laughed and though "No way" at 5pm PST I went to do it and guess what it was really bugged and STILL 5 Hours later. After several people before me petitioned I petitioned on 2 account 2 times each all I got was a auto responce from GM Darkhorse. Saying my ticket was Escalated, then at Midnight PST I get a email asking to explain the problem in detail and submit it to the ticket. So I do and notice HEY THIS IS FROM THE SAME GM THAT ESCALATED MY TICKET WITH A AUTO RESPONCE 2 TIMES SAYING HE COULDN"T HELP ME. By the time I get home to check and see if the quest is fixed tomorrow from work it will be offically 55+ hours that the quest will have been bugged and no one would be able to do. So far *While logged in this weekend* I have noticed over 30+ people trying to do the quest and NONE able to. Every single person submitted a GM Ticket and nothing was done. I would call that HORRIBLE SERVICE TO A PAYING CUSTOMER. So please tell me how NCSoft is doing for a new account?
The game is old and the steep leveling curve (not as steep as before) discourages many people from starting compared to other games. As a result NC is stuck between getting rid of the bots and making sure there are enough paying customers to pay for the servers and salaries.
There are other issues as well but the players do a good job bringing those to the boards.
It's comments like all of your that are getting us nowhere. Why not try? The game is not going anywhere because YOU'RE giving up on it.
What the hell do you want players to do? The reason it's in the state it is now is because being nice doesn't work. Players get frustrated when sh*t doesn't happen.
It is very clear that nothing happens now either though. Bottom line is they don't give a *** about you, me or anybody else playing on the american and european servers.
Its not hard to figure out what the majority of the people want. They want a game as free of bots/3rd party programs as possible. They want the EULAs enforced. What is wrong with that? If NCWest can't/doesn't want to enforce the EULAs then open the game to Botting /3rd party programs...let it become the wild west. I think you'll find the majority wants to be able to keep botting and exploiting Lineages client-server communication weaknesses with third party apps.
I also think you'l find that the bad apples pays them more than the legits do.
acceptance is the key....the game is what it is.....
Congratulations.
We now know that the majority of players are tools, cause this is the way they think.
MMORPGs are dynamic games. They are supposed to evolve towards a "more" balanced atmostphere, and based on what the community wants. This isn't some random F2P MMO...
The fact that you should just accept it is against the spirit of the MMORPG. The whole point of this type of game is being able to take part in the community and aid the developers in advancing the game to be something that is better and more balanced that it initially was.
This game is going in the opposite direction, and it's mostly due to players who are contempt with mediocrity, and live in some fantasy land.
This is not Final Fantasy VII. It's not what it is and we should not accept crap and keep our mouths shut.
The game is very broken. Stop insulting our intelligence by playing the semantics game.
I agree, they should invest more time into, developing the game having events to benefit the community than worrying about bots.
What good has it ever done in any game to get rid of bots? Has it increased there revenues by attacking bots? As a buisness model is it a bad idea to go after bots? Take away free buisness for people that just want to login to your server? Which makes your population standards increase?
Has there been any game that ever had in game botting feature built into IT? Since L2 walker supposely is the main company , they even charge monthly fee's. You want to stop there buisness? Bam just take there code and morph it into every copy of l2.
Why do people bot? Im going to assume they enjoy the end game, addiction of fighting side by side with there clans etc. The other way to get rid of bot's is to make this more of a North American Game with reducing the amount of experience to grind to 85. To reasonable amounts. 78-79 is probally the length of time it should take 84-85. This is hardcore beyond measure.
Legalizing botting is sorta like the big argument in the united states about legalizing Marijuana. Could the goverment make tons of money to control the market? Yes sure they could it will also cut down on price of policing / jail / legal fee's. Which also can make Ncsoft West have more time to work on the principles of the game / events / promoting the game. Instead of letting it Die.
Should the game evolve and unban accounts etc? If it was legalized? How many accounts would come back? Korea fought so hard to send people to jail for those who bot. To make it a crime obviously thats a bit tough.
It makes sense to me, but till than, leveling the hardcore fashion way is the only way to be. There are two routes to solution Making the game's grind 1/2 - 3/4 as diffucult, or legalizing botting in l2.
If i was able to add some links here i would show you why many ppl bot.
About events to benefit comunity tell me a event benefit for you without 3rd part users having better income, rewards, etc.
Im tired of this thread, while support don't clean once for all the servers this will lead to the end of live servers, i bet with you or anyone probably theres not even 5% real players on Franz, 40% or more use Radar for PVP, 60% have their own farming bot parties, 50% or more sell adena, characters and items for real money.
Thats the truth, face it and don't try make ppl ignore on not think about it, what thay should do is ban once for all, or give a Clan Transfer chance to any other server since the lack of their actions put servers in a mode no way legit players will want to stay there!
Everyone new who appear here the answer always make me laught about Teon the better Euro Server, yes compairing to any other is even more crappy, 90% use same as Franz, but in a huge larger ammount, there yes there you still find the bots running is starter places, more ppl = more customers = more bots
I left Teon for the same problem i have on Franz, now Franz is the same as Teon but more at self botting since theres no market players for real money business, so a lot of the crap moved back to Teon again, and only a few ones keep the business here.
I wish they turn the Game server with less lag for ppl on completly different countries, im tired of play in a server all you see is afk ppl, i killed a bot party in TOI 10 last night, i killed them 2 nights ago and rezzed them more than 100 times, i train them 3 days ago, i train them 4 days ago, i report them 5 days ago...
And now they still there, want to talk to me about any way to keep some respect, and will to keep the new ppl aware from those third part programs?
Why exactly we should not be angry (choose the right answer):
We should be not angry because:
A. NCSoft customer support is excellent
B. NCSoft servers are excellent (without unberable lags and disconnects)
C. NCsoft official site info is updated and always up to date
D. NCSoft game descriptions are excellent (and never are uselless or even misleading.
E. The game itself is stable (no crits etc)
F. The game-guard never creates problems to the legit players (but stops the third party software users)
Why exactly we should not be angry (choose the right answer):
We should be not angry because:
A. NCSoft customer support is excellent
B. NCSoft servers are excellent (without unberable lags and disconnects)
C. NCsoft official site info is updated and always up to date
D. NCSoft game descriptions are excellent (and never are uselless or even misleading.
E. The game itself is stable (no crits etc)
F. The game-guard never creates problems to the legit players (but stops the third party software users)
G. time u looked for a new game?
i do aggree there's issues....get angry over them?...nah bigger issues to get angry over....work,bills,taxes...
I'm satisfied with the game. Stop QQ, and behaving as little kids. Everything is fine.
I argee ... PLEASE stop QQ and play! If it too hard, then please pm me in the Birds Nest. You can pass me your junk and we will get your useless gear to people who want to play.
Suggestion if you want easy gaming ... go play WOW!
I argee ... PLEASE stop QQ and play! If it too hard, then please pm me in the Birds Nest. You can pass me your junk and we will get your useless gear to people who want to play.
Suggestion if you want easy gaming ... go play WOW!
I argee ... PLEASE stop QQ and play! If it too hard, then please pm me in the Birds Nest. You can pass me your junk and we will get your useless gear to people who want to play.
Suggestion if you want easy gaming ... go play WOW!
*passes BEER to woonaloow :D
We don't want easy gaming, we want the game to be played as it should be!
Always fun this Fanboys on Forums saying crap, would love see them trying to do some quests and having the spots filled with bots to see their behavior...
We don't want easy gaming, we want the game to be played as it should be!
Always fun this Fanboys on Forums saying crap, would love see them trying to do some quests and having the spots filled with bots to see their behavior...
lol if it wasn't for bots, I would've had hard time accomplishing my Baium quest grinding through all those mobs in TOI... and thanks to bots I passed them w\o any problems.
i do aggree there's issues....get angry over them?...nah bigger issues to get angry over....work,bills,taxes...
Being angry over bills taxes etc means simply you are not able to manage your own life. No one besides you is to blame for this.
But being payng customer for years to a company and getting screwed in return is something normal people should be angry... or they should not be called "people" but "sheeps".
But being payng customer for years to a company and getting screwed in return is something normal people should be angry... or they should not be called "people" but "sheeps".
as with any service if ur not happy u dont continue to pay for it?:rolleyes:
lol if it wasn't for bots, I would've had hard time accomplishing my Baium quest grinding through all those mobs in TOI... and thanks to bots I passed them w\o any problems.
I have no idea what server you play, but on my server i have done those bosses a lot specially when someone in the alliance need them, and some ppl have finish the quest with other clans doing them, hardly theres problems to get those, just the waits sometimes depending on the amount of time you can be on are way harder.
I agree, they should invest more time into, developing the game having events to benefit the community than worrying about bots.
What good has it ever done in any game to get rid of bots? Has it increased there revenues by attacking bots? As a buisness model is it a bad idea to go after bots? Take away free buisness for people that just want to login to your server? Which makes your population standards increase?
Has there been any game that ever had in game botting feature built into IT? Since L2 walker supposely is the main company , they even charge monthly fee's. You want to stop there buisness? Bam just take there code and morph it into every copy of l2.
Why do people bot? Im going to assume they enjoy the end game, addiction of fighting side by side with there clans etc. The other way to get rid of bot's is to make this more of a North American Game with reducing the amount of experience to grind to 85. To reasonable amounts. 78-79 is probally the length of time it should take 84-85. This is hardcore beyond measure.
Legalizing botting is sorta like the big argument in the united states about legalizing Marijuana. Could the goverment make tons of money to control the market? Yes sure they could it will also cut down on price of policing / jail / legal fee's. Which also can make Ncsoft West have more time to work on the principles of the game / events / promoting the game. Instead of letting it Die.
Should the game evolve and unban accounts etc? If it was legalized? How many accounts would come back? Korea fought so hard to send people to jail for those who bot. To make it a crime obviously thats a bit tough.
It makes sense to me, but till than, leveling the hardcore fashion way is the only way to be. There are two routes to solution Making the game's grind 1/2 - 3/4 as diffucult, or legalizing botting in l2.
Bots are the Kudzu of Lineage 2.
For those unaware of what kudzu is, it's a plant that originated in Japan and other parts of Asia and it was brought to the United States because it was thought to have several beneficial qualities. It was useful in preventing soil erosion, it had the uncanny knack for bringing useful minerals that were deep in the earth to the topsoil, and it made the land appear green and full. Many people were encouraged to plant this plant in the south and other parts of the US.
Unfortunately, no one could predict that the southern US climate was like crack to the kudzu. With no natural contollers or predators in place, the once helpful kudzu vine spread it's roots deep and grew wildly across the southern states. It's bright foliage covered the local flora and blocked the sunlight effectively depriving the natural landscape of nourishment. It now costs the US hundreds of millions of dollars a year in lost cropland and control attempts. It is now affectionately known as "The vine that ate the South."
This is exactly what bots are to L2. Sure they appear to be holding the game together on some level, but they have cost the game much more than they are saving. The mechanics of L2 is like crack to bot programs. There are no natural elements that dissuade botting and there are no means in place that allow players to police the problem themselves. While you cannot get rid of corruption completely in any organism, you should always have an appropriate means of control so that the ratio of good to bad behavior is constantly at 85% good to 15% bad. Right now, it's the other way around in L2 and that needs to change now!
As far as the idea for legalizing botting...You either want to play the game or you don't. Botting is a form of not playing the game. There's no way to say botting should be allowed in gameplay, because it's a conflict of interest. You don't spend years working out a detailed system designed to keep people busy and then allow them to bypass the "busy" work.
I believe that I have obtained excellent, outstanding value for the money I have put into L2. I have played for almost 5 years and have received about ten FREE upgrade/updates. Other games make you pay.
I play over 100 hours a month, so my cost per hour is trivial. Especially when you compare it to other entertainment costs like drinking, dancing, dating, movies, cars, vacations.... It is probably that L2 is the best value for my money that I have ever received in my life.
I believe the game itself is wonderful, otherwise I would not have invested over 6,000 hours of my time in it and find that it is at least as fun as it was when I started. I know that people quibble with this and that in the game and I am not contending that L2 is perfect. It can't be perfect, since each person has different wants and expectations and there are thousands of us playing. Sure, I wish that all bots were banned quicker, but I also realize that hiring a lot of new GMs to catch them would mean that the monthly subscription price would have to go up.
Still, Ban all bots and adena buyers! Err, back to topic....
Over the years I have seen NUMEROUS suggestions from these boards incorporated in the game. Crit heals, events with mats as rewards, and lots of others. Most people miss this since they do not watch and keep track of suggestions, so they end up inaccurately saying 'devs are in korea and don't listen to us.' We are listened to.
Again, it is amazing that in over five years we have never had a price increase. Almost everything else in the world is more expensive, but not L2. I think that NCSoft is deserving of praise, not criticism.
Making botting legal does one important thing...it would eliminate the Adena sellers because everyone could set up trains to farm the right recipes or Adena or whatever.
Then the biggest abusers of lineage 2 would be gone cause there would be no money in it for them. Clans would fight over which clan got to bot where. This could be fun.
But the important thing is the footing would be even.
Personally i would prefer no botting /3rd party programs. However if NC can/won't/doesn't give a pie..... then lets at least put all players on even footing.
I believe that I have obtained excellent, outstanding value for the money I have put into L2. I have played for almost 5 years and have received about ten FREE upgrade/updates. Other games make you pay.
I play over 100 hours a month, so my cost per hour is trivial. Especially when you compare it to other entertainment costs like drinking, dancing, dating, movies, cars, vacations.... It is probably that L2 is the best value for my money that I have ever received in my life.
I believe the game itself is wonderful, otherwise I would not have invested over 6,000 hours of my time in it and find that it is at least as fun as it was when I started. I know that people quibble with this and that in the game and I am not contending that L2 is perfect. It can't be perfect, since each person has different wants and expectations and there are thousands of us playing. Sure, I wish that all bots were banned quicker, but I also realize that hiring a lot of new GMs to catch them would mean that the monthly subscription price would have to go up.
Still, Ban all bots and adena buyers! Err, back to topic....
Over the years I have seen NUMEROUS suggestions from these boards incorporated in the game. Crit heals, events with mats as rewards, and lots of others. Most people miss this since they do not watch and keep track of suggestions, so they end up inaccurately saying 'devs are in korea and don't listen to us.' We are listened to.
Again, it is amazing that in over five years we have never had a price increase. Almost everything else in the world is more expensive, but not L2. I think that NCSoft is deserving of praise, not criticism.
Thanks, RumP
Rump--I agree with 90+% of what you've written. And I think it's well said.
At the same time, I think a company can be deserving of both praise and criticism at the same time--and that is my opinion of L2.
You've outlined much that is right. Pretty game, good value, 'some' responsiveness to suggestions, no price increase in 5 years, etc..
They deserve criticism for some poor design features, an apparent absence of any long-term design plan, piss-poor customer service, and crappy communication as well.
Ford Motor Co. has not taken Government bail-out money (yet). They deserve praise. They have generally under-performed in the market and have been slow to develop desireable cars that have wonderful fuel efficiency. I mean, c'mon, they had a car in the early 80's that got 40+ mpg! So they can receive some legitimate criticism as well.
You could go on and on with examples of companies that have some praise worthy attributes but still could do better or have earned criticism as well.
NCSoft to me is in the same boat as these examples. They have both praise and criticism coming their way imo.
~D~
We don't want easy gaming, we want the game to be played as it should be!
Always fun this Fanboys on Forums saying crap, would love see them trying to do some quests and having the spots filled with bots to see their behavior...
Not sure if that's true ... a lot of us here are still asking: Whats Vit?
Level 13-20 = 1/2 hour play time. 15 minute ccq short cut. newbie buffers until what lvl? The kamaloka thingys for fast xp! hhhhhmmmm made the game to easy as far as I can see.
Rump--I agree with 90+% of what you've written. And I think it's well said.
At the same time, I think a company can be deserving of both praise and criticism at the same time--and that is my opinion of L2.
You've outlined much that is right. Pretty game, good value, 'some' responsiveness to suggestions, no price increase in 5 years, etc..
They deserve criticism for some poor design features, an apparent absence of any long-term design plan, piss-poor customer service, and crappy communication as well.
Ford Motor Co. has not taken Government bail-out money (yet). They deserve praise. They have generally under-performed in the market and have been slow to develop desireable cars that have wonderful fuel efficiency. I mean, c'mon, they had a car in the early 80's that got 40+ mpg! So they can receive some legitimate criticism as well.
You could go on and on with examples of companies that have some praise worthy attributes but still could do better or have earned criticism as well.
NCSoft to me is in the same boat as these examples. They have both praise and criticism coming their way imo.
~D~
*passes BEER :D YAY!!! Well said!
this may be true.... would be nice if nc would show some figures on this..
but from what i'm seeing on my server (bartz) its still alive and kicking :cool:.
tho "Td" have a stranglehold on it :eek:
Check their official financial report for the previous year. At the end of the year the korean players dropped with 30% in comparison with the beginning of the year. Unfortunatelly the data from european/US market is shown only as money without the number of the accounts.
AND check you friends list - you will see how many from your friends didn't logged for a lot of time.
I argee ... PLEASE stop QQ and play! If it too hard, then please pm me in the Birds Nest. You can pass me your junk and we will get your useless gear to people who want to play.
Suggestion if you want easy gaming ... go play WOW!
*passes BEER to woonaloow :D
Well said and thanks for not passing my MOOSE DROOL :).
If you can't get ahold of her then get with me and i'll get your useless junk to her.
A big clan,had discovered a way to farm frinteza necks,SA's,armor and weapons drops.
How?
The whole clan was teleporting directly from the ch manager inside the Frinteza room.
That kept on going for about 1 month(i am not sure about the correct time).Do you have any idea about the respawn time of Frint?
Then,after petition from the enemy clans,NC decided to ban about 50ppl from that clan(including leader etc)
After 5 days,from the ban,all the accounts were unbaned,because it was server weakness(bug) not players fault.
Does it says in a clear way that if someone takes advantage(exploit) a server weakness(bug) his/her account will be banned?
The conclusions yours.Enjoy!
My Roommate was in HB on Franz when RM was doing that. They would send 2 people there 1 Untagged Rezzer and 1 that had the quest item running a script to try to port in. They would keep rezzing the person if PK'ed and they were able to go in no matter what. They did this for 3+ months before they were banned and then 1 week later and 50+ people sending in a petition threating that All Greeks on Franz would cancel there account they unbanned them.
It can be a bug it can be a exploit you threaten them to lose there client bass and they will unban people. Room mate tells me he was so ****** he transfered to another server because of the unbanning on franz when it was so blatantly done on purpose.
C3: Stolen Infernium Ore Quest exploit ->Check
C4:Blazze and Xenolss having Valakas(valakas not being killed at this point) and nice oed soms and later ams ->Check
C4: Pertified pet/low lvl char RB bug-> Check
C5: Gate Chanting/Clan sumoning during siege at the top of aden castle-> check
ct1:Seal of Blockade on rb to kill it->Check
ct2:Perma Salvation-> Check
C3: Stolen Infernium Ore Quest exploit ->Check
C4:Blazze and Xenolss having Valakas(valakas not being killed at this point) and nice oed soms and later ams ->Check
C4: Pertified pet/low lvl char RB bug-> Check
C5: Gate Chanting/Clan sumoning during siege at the top of aden castle-> check
ct1:Seal of Blockade on rb to kill it->Check
ct2:Perma Salvation-> Check
you shouldn't be able to have it on permanently, its an hour duration and an hour reuse.
There was a glitch that allowed you to have it permanently until you logged out. It is bannable.
About the bots : we are given a “bot report button”, only the re-use time is 30 minutes and you only get 6 reports per toon.
Everyone knows that most bots farm in groups of 3+, seeing as how we can only report one of them, in what way is the “bot report button” helping ?
About the bots : we are given a “bot report button”, only the re-use time is 30 minutes and you only get 6 reports per toon.
Everyone knows that most bots farm in groups of 3+, seeing as how we can only report one of them, in what way is the “bot report button” helping ?
Since nothing is done about the bots anyways it saves both your time...you save two pushes on the button..and NC soft....they have two less reports to ignore.
seriously im sick of all these kids crying on boards 2 it gets old. +420 to the thread starter. Kids write full pages crying about bots and i just dont even read what they have to say. U can eithier be emo and no1 will listen to you, or be respectful and maybe some1 will pay attention to you. NCNA is trying to do whatever they can with what they have, i work for a gaming company so i understand how frustrating dealing with customers is. id prolly quit if id work for ncsoft, bunch of crybaby customers. If you dont like the game, its simple....stop playing.
seriously im sick of all these kids crying on boards 2 it gets old. +420 to the thread starter. Kids write full pages crying about bots and i just dont even read what they have to say. U can eithier be emo and no1 will listen to you, or be respectful and maybe some1 will pay attention to you. NCNA is trying to do whatever they can with what they have, i work for a gaming company so i understand how frustrating dealing with customers is. id prolly quit if id work for ncsoft, bunch of crybaby customers. If you dont like the game, its simple....stop playing.
Agreed that's exactly how i feel about alot of the folks on the boards.
I think that most of the players posting on the forums are far too busy venting their anger than actually posting good input towards helping the servers grow.
Players need to make their needs more clear and less aggressive if they plan to give the dev team any chance at solving the issues. No developer is going to want to sort through ten pages of capital letter yelling about bots.
For starters, I think players need to accept the fact that bots are a part of lineage 2. No matter how much we complain, nothing ever changes regarding bots. Please accept the bots and give input on some of the aspects of L2 that actually can be fixed...
We are angry for a reason. We make negative posts for a reason. And no we will not accept that bots are part of the game.
We are angry for a reason. We make negative posts for a reason. And no we will not accept that bots are part of the game.
u sound like george bush talking about terrorists rofl
seriously im sick of all these kids crying on boards 2 it gets old. +420 to the thread starter. Kids write full pages crying about bots and i just dont even read what they have to say. U can eithier be emo and no1 will listen to you, or be respectful and maybe some1 will pay attention to you. NCNA is trying to do whatever they can with what they have, i work for a gaming company so i understand how frustrating dealing with customers is. id prolly quit if id work for ncsoft, bunch of crybaby customers. If you dont like the game, its simple....stop playing.
You call everyone a emo kid because they are "Crying", I'm sorry do we need to form perfect contructive paragraphs with impecable punctuation to get someone's attention here? Will that please you so I'm not called a Emo Kid? Your being emo just as much as the rest for crying about us. But after playing this game for 5 years and nothing changing except more and more bots for farming companies in it and more and more people buying ingame items with no worries about being caught its anoying. Dr0b on Devianne transfered to bartz couldn't make hero their and then botted to 83 got all his skills before Final came out. Bought +6 S80 Set, +15 HD w/Foc 150 Earth, and +12 Drac Bow w/Foc 150 Wind, how are other titans on Devianne were he moved back to since all his friends failed to "Rule Bartz" as they tried and failed to suppose to compete with him and all his friends like him?
Sorry but i'm not dropping $5,000 USD into this game like others do just to become hero that is just ******ed so I'm stuck behind someone that will? So keep calling me Emo buddy I could care less I'm tired of the rampant ebaying #1, and Botting #2 but hey what do I know I'm just another raging emo person right?
First, yes you are just another raging emo person. You are. At least be honest with yourself.
NC Soft is going to do what NC Soft is going to do about the bots. 10 million threads from people who are all incensed about the same thing and ranting over and over about the same thing, this is long past being informative or constructive.
Second, Drob was in Enmity. And they did pretty **** good on Bartz until most of them got bored and left to play other games. Since Drob wanted to continue to play, he transferred back to his original server. That seems reasonable.
Of course, I'm not going to talk about the ebay/botting issues you bring up, because I think that so many of them are overblown and easy insults to throw out there when so many just assume they have the evidence, but are just plain mad because they see someone geared and leveled higher than them.
Wow, Tulp. I'm not what u would call "pro bot"... however, I'm just tired of the overkill.... and u think you would be too. Get a grip on reality, but since we seem to be dealing with people who don't, I guess the threads will go on and on and on. We were just getting so we could have actual discussions without the bot whining infiltrating them all. I hope that isn't lost forever.
Especially the ones that call out the legits for being EMO.....lol.
ur logic makes me laugh, u have kagan in clan. a lvl 85 botted th. and ur talking about being legit. grats on being a hypocrite.
and you kids are emo, you dont realize this is a video game. always crying on a internet forum get over it. go outside. smoke a blunt.
Let ncsoft do their job, they have been doing a great job at least trying to work w a korean based game for an American customer base. Give it a rest, you eithier like the game or u dont. Pay 15$ or dont.
At the begining I would like to say that I've not read any of comments in this thread except authors. I agree what he said, people seems to be angry. I coulnd't tell why but definetly not because of the company's policy concernign the game. It simple doesn't make sence because policy hasn't changed much. If at all. Maybe its global stress caused by recession because in one or another way recession affects all of us. Maybe there're other reason but I couldn't think one good reason for all to be more angry.
Yes, this game is a heaven for cheaters because the NCSoft staff can´t implement their rules.
But the solution for the game is, mainly, in the hands of us, players.
Don´t be give up at the 1st dificulty and run to buy adena: try to solve your dificulties in the game and ask for help and advice to more experient players.
Don´t be frustrated because some botter anihilate your toon: the user of the bot program deserves our pity, because he pays to not play and its so idiotic that can´t win nothing without cheating...
Don´t start to acuse someone of being a botter in the forum (too many useless posts about that), instead use the petition (better a 1% chance of a ban, than tto acuse someone that probably is inocent in the forums).
Don´t start to bash on people that have legitimate problems about the cheating in this game: or you gave some advices or simply don´t post.
Try to enjoy the game, play with your friends, play for the sake of having fun: don´t spoil the game using cheats, because you are only cheating yourself.
Yes we (the players community) are perma-ANGRY because we cannot accept the fact that the lazy bunch of idlers known as NCNA are taking our money yet not doing anything to provide quality customer service.
Let's see, they have been ignoring players' feedback for years, they can't address and fix game related issues within reasonable terms, and, most important, they keep taking that cynical stance " and play or quit it for good".
Sometimes I wonder what they would think if they once got to a hospital and the doctor told them: "OK I took your money but I don't think I should be giving you medication any time soon, to me it looks like everything's working as intended... yeah I mean these germs and virii in your organism... they are there by design... So, please post your feedback in our special forum in the thread called 'Official Germ Behavior and Detection Thread' and we will pretend to be actually reading it while allowing you to fight the disease on your own because it is not our job at all! Oh, and thanks for hanging out in our Hospice2... erm, hospital!"
Yeah maybe they are severely underpaid or something, but it still does not excuse the fact that their "GM team" is pretty much non-existant: after all, I am not paid for policing the game at all, so why the heck should I waste my valuable time fighting hordes of bots whereas there MUST be a crew of live, ACTIVE game masters doing it 24/7?
Instead of that, all we see are random (and oh-so-rare) "banhammer"-related discussions, and then, weeks later, the "perma-banned" cheaters' toons are spotted again, silently unbanned by someone's decision.
I'd like to phrase this as simple as possible:
I log in game to relax and have fun, that's what I'm paying my monthly fee for. Instead of that, all I'm getting is frustration because good xp spots are taken by countless bot trains and 90% of the so-called "top players" have either botted their levels or ebayed their gear, or both.
Once again: if I, a player, can log in a few times within a 24-hours span just to witness the fact that there are a few bot trains walking in a good hunting spot, why the HELL some piss-poor god-****ed game master can't do the same???
And yes I mean the 24/7 game monitoring, not these arrogant replies (as they descend to us, once in a year) informing that they are finally done with moving from Austin to Seeattle (grats grats grats on that!) and are going for another 5-years long vacation.
Hi NC, do hear your extremely unsatisfied customer.
P.S. Dixi, et animam levavi.
(for those of you educated enough to understand Latin)
For once I agree with you ... but rather IMO it's more of the NCNA Not Care attitude has infused the player base with the same attitude ... but is odd considering so many of care so much ...
seriously im sick of all these kids crying on boards 2 it gets old. +420 to the thread starter. Kids write full pages crying about bots and i just dont even read what they have to say. U can eithier be emo and no1 will listen to you, or be respectful and maybe some1 will pay attention to you. NCNA is trying to do whatever they can with what they have, i work for a gaming company so i understand how frustrating dealing with customers is. id prolly quit if id work for ncsoft, bunch of crybaby customers. If you dont like the game, its simple....stop playing.
Because we pay money to complain and to have our issues resolved. It's called customer service but most likely the same company you work for judging by your attitude hasn't heard of it either.
Botters and ebayers take the game way too seriously. Let 'em compete with one another thinking they are achieving something. Problem is, when they compete with legitimate folk who want to compete within the rules of the game then it is no fun because botted player characters always dominate.
The only slight bit of payback for this is when the cheats complain about other cheats not cheating fairly - the 'hey, botting is ok but hide is going too far' is nice to read now and again.
First, yes you are just another raging emo person. You are. At least be honest with yourself.
NC Soft is going to do what NC Soft is going to do about the bots. 10 million threads from people who are all incensed about the same thing and ranting over and over about the same thing, this is long past being informative or constructive.
Second, Drob was in Enmity. And they did pretty **** good on Bartz until most of them got bored and left to play other games. Since Drob wanted to continue to play, he transferred back to his original server. That seems reasonable.
Of course, I'm not going to talk about the ebay/botting issues you bring up, because I think that so many of them are overblown and easy insults to throw out there when so many just assume they have the evidence, but are just plain mad because they see someone geared and leveled higher than them.
Ok when they leave Devianne because they got there handed to them by Cheaters/Ebayers just to go to another server SURE! Then they come back to RULE the server and Cheat 24/7 in Citidel YES I KNOW because I see with my own eyes. Pleaes ohh please tell me they don't cheat because I know they do and it's easy to prove if NCSoft would accept offical L2 Recordings. Does Drob buy adena yes he does its been proven over and over and over its not that I'm jealous of him, because I would rather not sink money into a game when I can get it myself or wit help from clannies.
So please call me a Emo Rage all you want I take pride in that if it means getting rid of people like Drob that cheat in ALLL ASPECTS OF THE GAME. Not just 1 aspect but EVER aspect of the game. If it wasn't for all his bought gear there is no way he would be a hero on devianne give him reg S80 and +3 HD w/Foc and he would get his butt handed to him because he is one of the worst titans I've ever seen play. But when you have 2k more standard P attack then the rest on top of Frenzy yea its kinda hard to beat when you 3 shot a tank through UD. So I hope you/him are enjoying cheating in the game so you "can be a factor" like everyone so loves to be!
Lineage2 is a paid service and it's not up to the "mods" (you're talking about devs btw) if they want to take us seriously or not - it's their job. I'm certainly not one to drag the bot problem into each and every thread, but it is absolutely crystal clear to everyone that bots are the number 1 problem in this game. There really is no reason why we should accept and 'get over' it.
btw - I would be hesitant to put all the blame on the GMs. Knowing similar work envorionments, the board of directors or some other higher instance often imposes stupid rules and decisions on the grunt workers. I'm sure that there are a bunch of GMs who care for the game and want it bot free, it's the people that care about the subscribtion numbers the 'protest' has to target.
same ppl QQ over and over month after month year after year knowning notthing will change and still they have their beta/c2 accounts active ever sinse. Curious... Who is the tool here, ppl that pay the 15$ a month to play the game or the ppl that pay 15$ a month to rant the boards over and over?
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P.S. Dixi, et animam levavi.
(for those of you educated enough to understand Latin)
To he who is amongst us who is both pretentious and precocious (i.e. the OP),
You have the audacity to quote a single Latin phrase AND include punctuation that does not belong in the phrase and imply that the other forum users are uneducated?
Education has no place here, google does however; I am an educated person, I did not learn latin, what does that say about me? Nothing.
The translation for those who wish to pander to the OP's obvious cut and paste ability is :-
"I have spoken and relieved my soul."
Curious... Who is the tool here, ppl that pay the 15$ a month to play the game or the ppl that pay 15$ a month to rant the boards over and over?
Why can't both be :D
u sound like george bush talking about terrorists rofl
That doesn't belong in lineage 2 so let's both not keep bringing that bs into it. It's why i stopped bringing it to the forums so take a hint. We can use blah or a political forum to bash each others ideas on that issue but now that i stopped doing it you shouldn't start.
ur logic makes me laugh, u have kagan in clan. a lvl 85 botted th. and ur talking about being legit. grats on being a hypocrite.
and you kids are emo, you dont realize this is a video game. always crying on a internet forum get over it. go outside. smoke a blunt.
Let ncsoft do their job, they have been doing a great job at least trying to work w a korean based game for an American customer base. Give it a rest, you eithier like the game or u dont. Pay 15$ or dont.
I left that clan.
I really really really wanted to stay but i couldn't be a Hypocrite.