Pretty much , what the topic say's. I see everyone complaining about bot's its pretty dumb its like asking 5-10 people in a room to find out whos a criminal within the Country.
There are other ways of fighting them, besides just logging in and having someone hunt people down. It should be by inflating the economy making the items / crafting on a lower scale. It would hurt those companies if the average player could afford A / S / S80 Grade gear with High enchants etc. It even might even grow the player base in general. I would propose a 50 percent reduction from 50-85. I dont see who that is really going to hurt if this is done.
It will make the game enjoyable by the masses if this was done. This is exactly what happens when an unmovable object meets the unstoppable force. Should the bank CEO's be in jail for the bailout? DId the United State's Ban them off the server? Would it solve any issues? I think Gm's need to look at the way they are attacking bot's and do a different approach.
Let the casual's enjoy this hardcore game. But since its on the decline try to make it more enjoyable for those actually playing it giviving more reward. While waiting for Lineage 3. I know, you guys have made level's 1-40 is a joke now. But there need to be more experience reward boosts for players 78-85ish.
Im not complaining im just pointing out there are many ways to fight a war / run a country / run a game that just dont require Banning Players / Shutting down banks etc.
one of the worst tactics for a country that when facing with a recesion and reduced consumer spending is to print more money, why? because it creates inflation (i.e. makes everything more expensive)... having a drop rate increase would be similar to simply printing more money, which in turn will make things get more expensive (yet still affordable for bots) and unreacheable to the casual player the same way it is now...
PS: if you have an item you want to sell.. that no other shop has, you'll probly set it to a high price, yet if it doesnt sale, you'll probly end up lowering the price little by little until someone gets it... that's what'd happen if they actually banned the bots... item prices will come down if there's no1 to pay the inflated prices we have today thanks to bots
But if you flood the market with an increase in the drop rate and increase in adena drops, then more people will have money to buy items that they need and the prices will be more affordable. I like this idea though.
Well maybe a adena drop increase would be welcome since its hard to get "rich" just by adena drops. Its just not all about the "hit the market" thing in my opinion.
About more XP ? hell no! We got already the vitality system and you already cry more? Sometime ago we didnt had even a vitality system! And on gracia + the effency of vit after 76+ will last more longer! Its ok as it is now.
Lineage III? LOL wait till 2020! Or maybe never will be released since Aion is the big gamer now from ncsoft.
Its sorta hard to compare it to the way your doing. Making more people play end game for pvp would be a bad thing? Deffintely not,
Inflating the economy will not make everyone running around with Dual S80 weapons +16.
People that dont play the game and sit in a town all day trying to sell a item , is just a secondary account. They will keep the price the same maybee go down slightly. But never more than that. Does the item do any good on a sell merchant? What they did for D / C / B grade was smart. But people can still control that with crystal's etc.
Throwing money into the economy is done with events etc, but as it stands the event this time around threw alot of D / C Enchants? Who did that help anyone? Nope 80 percent of the player base isnt rolling in those levels anymore. Also 20-52 is pretty simple beans. This game was made for hardcore europeans. This is a NA / Euro Servers Though. I think we need to brighten up the community with putting some more money into it.
I would see this as an investment, for the long haul of the game, not printing more money for less value. The value of the game, is in the end game / pvp / guild structure etc. The wars the battles, Not in the senseless numb grind. Especially even with the oe'ing of skills etc. It takes 320 days 24/7 to get 85. Thats without Oeing a skill or anything at all. So what happends with the subclass etc, Thats great I think. But Im sorry i think 160 days to max a char to 85 would be enough. And of course no one ever max's there char since death penalities etc. You cant stay at a certain level / de leveling etc. Its cool game mechanics.
But if your going to sit there and tell me it makes the game really fun to have such a low drop rate , which only bots gain from in reality is a bad reason for letting economy drain.
No one buy's the Highly oe'ed weapons / armor +6' / S80's etc / did the price of them currently go down on the stores since no one buys them? No they sit there. And sit there, on a merchant doing nothing, There isnt enough content for smaller guilds with a good core of players to compete against a full blown pvp guild which will attack them on site.
I argue That I think L2 has survived because of the great itemization system. If your gonna say less items in the economy are going to make the game better. Im going to argue with you it will destroy it. The game is already inflated than with bots, if you take them away, i just doubt the prices will stay that low.
So the only way to battle that is this solution make the game even more open so normal players can gear out. Not play 24/7.
Vitality system is crap at level 78 lol, its 1 percent experience from level 4 vitality to none. So ? Thats good? Pat yourself on the back, I guess that would add up if there wasnt any de leveling or exp lost.
Im not saying there isnt alot of abilities to escape death but just pure saying vitality sure its a step in the right direction. But you dont lose vitality 4 for what your first 20 levels? heh. Thats what makes 1-20 take 30 minuets. heh.
Also another point is this will let more people level Sub levels etc, Territory wars was a great idea, It made becoming a noble more easy. Now do we see everyone running around with a level 80 subclass? No
Will it destroy the game if we did this ? No , would it make it more enjoyable for those that actually play the game. community that play the game? Yep.
If I were a Detective, I would of banned 75 percent of the accounts I ran into already. I see live players botting. Some arent live but some are watching. This game would come to a close if botting was banned straight up. Every top guild has someone that has an unguilded crew thats grinding away for them.
Im not asking for Epic Quality Items, Like Anthras etc, that stuff should be highly valued. Top guilds farm than stick it in there guild warehouse. Thats very unique, I cant think of a MMO you dont straight up hand over gear to players. Than the player leaves the game and your screwed. But in this game, its great items can be traded. But it adds other complexity issues with users maximizing item worth.
Items will tend to rot in a merchant or guild bank with this type of behavior. Is it good for the game?
Common Items were a good idea but poorly executed. If Common Items had Half the bonuses of the drops that would make more sense. Maybee A Mid Grade Common Item? It would sorta be pointless i would rather they increase the actual drop rate of the items. Not watered down versions. That stuff is just great for bot groups & people that want some gear to pk other players in. So they dont have to lose there prized possessions. Plus on top of it you can make sure you dont lose your gear, and imbue it. Jewelery and weapons. Which does make sense even though alot of people will argue that its bad for the game. But I dont know how you would level without a weapon etc, go back and kill blues till you can afford a new one? heh.
Also this means the Chinese Shops that are selling gold etc, Will have to lower there price's so low people wont even buy gold from there. MAKE BUYING ADENA WORTHLESS.
if your gonna sit back and say you do not know anyone's that bought adena, i dont know what fantasy world your in. People yack about it on vent / message boards all the time. Even talk about selling character's. Which in my opinion should be way worse than the actually botting.
Rare item drops for a bot group. Than bot group banned. There goes an item that had a 1 in 500,000 chance to drop. Which in term makes the community say **** full items never drop. But they actually do, just not for all the good guys.
Im hoping the community leader takes a look at this and can make some valid suggestions to the dev team about this route of warfare. Take Control of our economy. I like the progress the game has taken since I last played. But we need a bit more.
Lineage 2 was never a game where a casual legit player could get top top gear. I dont understand why casual players think they deserve top gear. Even for casual players, there are many ways to make legit money. People are either lazy or not smart enough to work for it and want it handed to them. Guess what, then everyone has top gear and half the point of MMO is to have the people with haves and the people with have nots.
whats funny is even if they increased the drop rate by 50 percent not everyone would be geared out so what the hell are you talking about. You make it seem like Im telling you to make the mobs drop items every kill.
Im asking for the items to drop every 11,000 kills Geez. I know it use to be 250k now its like 50-25k or something like that.
Also this means the Chinese Shops that are selling gold etc, Will have to lower there price's so low people wont even buy gold from there. MAKE BUYING ADENA WORTHLESS.
if your gonna sit back and say you do not know anyone's that bought adena, i dont know what fantasy world your in. People yack about it on vent / message boards all the time. Even talk about selling character's. Which in my opinion should be way worse than the actually botting.
Rare item drops for a bot group. Than bot group banned. There goes an item that had a 1 in 500,000 chance to drop. Which in term makes the community say **** full items never drop. But they actually do, just not for all the good guys.
Im hoping the community leader takes a look at this and can make some valid suggestions to the dev team about this route of warfare. Take Control of our economy. I like the progress the game has taken since I last played. But we need a bit more.
That is incredibly ignorant, they will still sell adena just much greater quantities. I.E 1million adena 5 years ago costs as much as 1 billion today. Man you need to go to economics class lol.
If you think 1 / 11,000 is making the game easy we now know you run a bot group . =).
If your going to sit there and tell me you kill 35k, mobs a week and the game is easy enough / grind now.
I thought this game strives on the pvp / guild , wars
O rly? so appearantly one million was the same price as one billion?
From all the Spam messages we get 23 cents a million.
423 bucks for 1 billion? How about instead of banning bots, they start banning people with 4 , +16 weapons on there merchant and looking deep into that.
Economics class also teach's about supply and demand, which you dont understand.
If you flood the market with more drops it will result in less adena needed to even purchase. Since its obtainable through actually farming, Plus if it dont drop than you can just get it because there will be more of them for sale in towns. Lowering the price.
Im also going to guess that you were also against, them adding D grade / C grade / B grade To Normal shops?
Ncsoft is enforcing a market for those items now. So new players can get into the game. But in reality if you keep chain killing nonstop could you actually afford to buy top ng by level 20? Probally not. It only goes worse going up to A grade / S Grade / S80.
160 days to level 85 is not hardcore enough? It has to be 320 days to 85? thats hardcore?
WOw is like full week of playing you can get to level 80 and farm for stuff in 2k kills but you get items from boss's which are dungeons. Very different itemization. Games itemization stinks.
They should of stole l2's itemization system for levels it would of worked way better.
160 days 24/7 is making the game tooo easy? Give me a break.
Wow is a carebear game, and i agree with that. 1-2 weeks to level 80 is a joke, But for goodness sake. Wow has a more beneficial Rested Bonus. The Rested Bonus for a level 20 character is the same as a level 79 character. Double Experience.
L2's rested bonus is gimp for higher levels 78-85. You keep saying im trying to make this game a softcore? But whats reasonable, 320 days at 24/7 is way too hardcore. I dont think most people would mind it would mean more people would max out level of there sub's and oe alot more skills etc.
Is it going to break the game to do this , No, i hope they experiment with the idea in the future. I would say If they did these change's the game in general would be alot more smoother for alot more play styles. Are you saying only people that have been playing since day 1 deserve to get into l2?
Since no ones mentioned it yet, I'll go ahead and say it. Making everything in game more easily obtainable from drops will kill us already gimp dwarf mains. Yeah, there are still some of us out there stubbornly playing our dwarves still.
Putting the C/B grade merchandise in shops may have seemed like a good idea to almost every other class, but it killed the market for dwarves that actually spoiled/crafted/sold those items. As it is now, there is absolutely no money in being a dwarf until you can craft A grade (or even topB). This doesn't really hurt me personally as I'm much higher than that, but new dwarves to game can't even make use of their admittedly poor 'financial bonus' over other classes until they are getting up there in levels. With lower lvl enchants not being worth the paper they are printed on, and key mats/recipes for crafting before A grade worthless now, there's really not much reason for a Bounty Hunter to even use spoil except to grab as much bone or varnish as they can to prepare for higher lvl crafting now.
And yes, you can now possibly craft a foundation item in B grade and above, which is a little benefit for crafters since it didn't completely kill the B grade crafting market. But really, how many ppl out there besides the eccentric are gonna actually drop millions attempting to make foundation B grade?
Eh, really it doesn't bother me too much, but figured someone had to bring up NC's worthless market classes in this discussion, since it directly applies to them...
Thats a valid, concern. Here's a solution lower the amounts of matt's needed. That would directly effect that area. Possibly could effect, the drop rate market as well. I wouldnt mind if the stuff was crafted more so . More recipes dropped / with 50 percent of the matt's costs.
Would lowering the matt's cost to 50 percent make D / C / B profitable again?
Lineage 2 was never a game where a casual legit player could get top top gear. I dont understand why casual players think they deserve top gear. Even for casual players, there are many ways to make legit money. People are either lazy or not smart enough to work for it and want it handed to them. Guess what, then everyone has top gear and half the point of MMO is to have the people with haves and the people with have nots.You are correct however its has gotten way out of hand as the game has progressed. I started this game in C2 and the drop rates have continually gotten worse as the game progressed. It's to the point now that even hard core players rarely get anything decent from drops and still can barely get collect enough items to make thier own stuff. No matter what the arguement is between hardcore and casual players we still have to admit it's better to keep causual players playing than to just have hardcore players and bots.
If they raised the drop rates more real players would play this game.
Lineage 2 was never a game where a casual legit player could get top top gear. I dont understand why casual players think they deserve top gear. Even for casual players, there are many ways to make legit money. People are either lazy or not smart enough to work for it and want it handed to them. Guess what, then everyone has top gear and half the point of MMO is to have the people with haves and the people with have nots.
With good organization and clan you can make it easily. belive me.
lol, whats funny about your post Dracconz, I know alot of teams of players. They all make alts since they cant farm anthras / baium / valkras etc or another guild will pk them.
They cant get S / S80 grade armor . Even with a 2 group team. Like one S grade chest has drop for them on a raid. On a smaller raid on there mains. So they go to alts since most of the raids are camped.
I don't agree that drop rates should be increased but do believe that quests should be improved so that players can obtain A/S grade armour and weapons through quests easier.
Rather than increasing drops they should try and balance the drop value:mob level ratio. For instance, thread/stem/silver nuggets shouldn't be dropping from level 82/83 mobs. I'd rather get a few mith alloy or DMP per XP session than 200+ thread and stem.
I have to disagree on the questing system. L2's questing system is one of the worst in the industry imo. L2's strength is not in its quests. If you feel otherwise i think you need to take a look at yourself in a mirror.
Questing in L2 good? Unless system was overhauled, this wouldnt be a good option.
I have to disagree on the questing system. L2's questing system is one of the worst in the industry imo. L2's strength is not in its quests. If you feel otherwise i think you need to take a look at yourself in a mirror.
Questing in L2 good? Unless system was overhauled, this wouldnt be a good option.
Thanks for completely missing the point. There are already quests to obtain parts and recipes for armours etc. but these need improving. Rather than handing armour and weapons to players on a silver platter by having them full drop once or twice a week - improve the quests for armour and weapons so they are more rewarding.
Also, as far as obtaining gear is concerned, they should drop the S cry and S gem requirements for some S grade crafts in order to try and counteract the highly inflated cost of these items due to AA being highly inflated.
Pretty much , what the topic say's. I see everyone complaining about bot's its pretty dumb its like asking 5-10 people in a room to find out whos a criminal within the Country.
There are other ways of fighting them, besides just logging in and having someone hunt people down. It should be by inflating the economy making the items / crafting on a lower scale. It would hurt those companies if the average player could afford A / S / S80 Grade gear with High enchants etc. It even might even grow the player base in general. I would propose a 50 percent reduction from 50-85. I dont see who that is really going to hurt if this is done.
It will make the game enjoyable by the masses if this was done. This is exactly what happens when an unmovable object meets the unstoppable force. Should the bank CEO's be in jail for the bailout? DId the United State's Ban them off the server? Would it solve any issues? I think Gm's need to look at the way they are attacking bot's and do a different approach.
Let the casual's enjoy this hardcore game. But since its on the decline try to make it more enjoyable for those actually playing it giviving more reward. While waiting for Lineage 3. I know, you guys have made level's 1-40 is a joke now. But there need to be more experience reward boosts for players 78-85ish.
Im not complaining im just pointing out there are many ways to fight a war / run a country / run a game that just dont require Banning Players / Shutting down banks etc.
posting this loooong thread, just made you lost 1-2-3-4% xp, if u need xp log ingame not in forums :)
no hard feelings :) I've just passed my exams :D weeheee
The issues with the in-game economy are the players' fault, and I don't think NCSoft should make any changes until they stop trying to be Chief Economists and get a **** clue.
All the hogwash in this thread makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
LOL @ "Chinese will have to price to LOW no one would buy from them". That will do nothing but make it more convenient/cheaper to ebay items...
Protest ----- Increase Bla bla / Bots bla bla bla bla/ Random**** bla bla
I dont have enough gear. Give me anthy, valakas, frint, baium, zaken and I'll be happy! Respect ur customers :D
Why are you so stupid? No one is asking for epics. When was the last time you seen a "Ring of Core" drop from "Junior Watchman" or "Hot Springs Bandersnatch", much less a Valakas?
You are correct however its has gotten way out of hand as the game has progressed. I started this game in C2 and the drop rates have continually gotten worse as the game progressed. It's to the point now that even hard core players rarely get anything decent from drops and still can barely get collect enough items to make thier own stuff. No matter what the arguement is between hardcore and casual players we still have to admit it's better to keep causual players playing than to just have hardcore players and bots.
If they raised the drop rates more real players would play this game.
Yep! People bot cause they aren't getting full drops.
The drop system is fundamentally flawed in this game. If anything, the number of bots will increase as people try to get as many drops as they can to sell them at high prices, before the prices plummet. Increasing the number of full drops will not increase prices, it will lower them. We see this every update new items are added to the game. Attribute Stones are a good recent example. The concept works the same for basically anything.
People will still ebay adena, cause S Grade and higher gear do not drop from normal MOBs. The introduction of the Attribute System inflated prices quite a bit at the upper grades (S and above). If NCSoft wishes to tinker with the economy, that would be the best place to start.
At least, I have never heard of anyone getting an Arcana Mace or IC Breastplate full drop off anything but a raid boss. People are getting Top A full drops in Hellbound. Hello?!?!
No one cares about C-A grade gear. All that crap has settled back down at Interlude prices (or less, in some cases).
Personally, I don't think NCSoft should do anything.
agreed on the last statement, but im just getting sick if you disagree on making the game 50 percent light on the grind. People just say flat out now without thinking about it. Im gonna go after you with lack of mmo game knowledge. Give me a reason why 160 days 24 / 7 makes them game a carebear game? Until someone puts a hole into that statement. 160 days 24/7 is a softcore game. I think you need mental help.
How about at work you put in 50 percent more effort and dont get payed for it. Would that sound fair? I dont know, I really dont see how this impossible grind is beneficial the grind is beyond words. Its time for l2 to evolve to a mediocree grind instead of a impossible grind. Its been long enough. If you were to
Your additional comments should of been posted with your first response, to counteract AA being highly inflated etc. I agree on that part.
Want S Grade Drops go HB or do the Rim Pailaka, i can tell you we got already from Rim 9 S Full drops, loads of S mats, Enchant Scrolls S Grade (yes blessed too), shirts, bracelets,...
But you need a party to go there, if you dont get it in your clan get other one, for epics yes you cant do anything since the lol biggies protect those all the time.
people will not buy adena, if it was easier to get actually playing the game within resonable means.
People break Moral dilemmas when they are faced with addiction / gaming. Anything can be an addiction.
I dont know, i dont believe in botting, but heres my opinion. People commit all types of crimes and are forgiven with a smack on the wrist. NCsoft has actually been ruthless in banning. Which i commend them for hard work. I know you may not agree but they deffintely have banned alot. Ncsoft recieves alot of crap telling them they dont do enough.
People who even commit criminal offense's in the united states / other countries are forgiven. Botters are not forgiven. lol Ncsoft's Death Penalty. Im not saying we should legalize a crime. But im saying we should make it less effective for those doing it. For those that go un caught. Will be effected.
It will also reduce the temptation, rather than an announcement that comes on the screen every 30 minutes saying. Dont buy Adena etc, Dont Bot. Thats like telling kids DONT SMOKE its bad for you, than there's a cartoon advertisement messaged to you by spammers telling you they are selling cigarettes and its the cool thing to do.
If the situation is so good right now how about you just write to ncsoft telling them how great there game is, rather than just saying NO we dont like this idea. It will make the game carebear. Theres nothing carebear about 160 days 24/7.
I remember using oe'd b grade crit duals and blue wolf armor all the way to 74. You know what? I had fun doing it even! *gasp* Then again I am a support class (bladedancer) and dont need tip top gear. You should watch the olympiad sometimes, you will see those with the best gear getting beat by those with worse gear. Yes this game has a good benefit to being top geared but when I hit something with un oe'd s grade duals it still hurts. People act like if you dont have 5 boss jewels, s80 armor and s80 weapon that you're weapons have no effect and you are unable to do anything, give me a break.
Whoever created this thread should go take a couple of Econ 101 classes imo. Increasing money supply actually increases prices considering item supply is pretty much constant.
If the average mob dropped 1m instead of 10k all that would change would be a few zeros in shop prices, you wouldn't be able to afford more stuff.
Anytime I have ever contacted NC they were always there! Computer issues or in game issues, so I'm not sure I even agree with your statement
Hummmm...last time i tried to get ahold of NC i was ignored. Happened twice.A few years ago i would get a response and they would help... sometimes escalate the problem...now nothing so if something screws up i just give up on it.
I already got my master's so you can stop with the insults.
TO top it all off you leave out alot of points , about economy 101. About supply and demand which you dont take into account. Right now demands high and supply is low so it push's price up.
Whoever created this thread should go take a couple of Econ 101 classes imo. Increasing money supply actually increases prices considering item supply is pretty much constant.
If the average mob dropped 1m instead of 10k all that would change would be a few zeros in shop prices, you wouldn't be able to afford more stuff.You are absolutley correct the amount of adena dropping from any given mob should not be increased. I don't even care about full drops which I think should be rare. What im talking about is base mats, there is no reason any mob except maybe below lvl 20 should drop 1 base mat at a time. Specially when you get up into the 75+ mobs dropping 1 stem per kill or 1 armor part every 100 kills. It's rediculas how it is now and before everyone starts screaming manor you can stop now we all know how well that turned out.
Sometimes I feal like the people in here who don't want any changes in drops are just worried about resale value of the items they have. We all know prices would be much much lower if the drop rates increased. You see it in every event we have. Hell look at the prices of enchants scrolls since the introduction of cubics.
It seams the only way NcSoft has really tride to combat Botting is to raise the drop rates. However this only resulted in more people botting. In now way am I infering that L2 drop rates should be anything like WOW or any other easy mode game out there, but I would like to see them go back to C2-C3 lvl or before manor system was introduced.
Hummmm...last time i tried to get ahold of NC i was ignored. Happened twice.A few years ago i would get a response and they would help... sometimes escalate the problem...now nothing so if something screws up i just give up on it.
Sorry that you have problems like that :( I guess the situations that I was in really needed NC's intervention was important and not just another account person wasting their time!
+1 on MAT drops! They need increasing. big time! Give something to those little BH dorfies as well. The spoil tables also need an overhaul.
I think Armor and Wep crafting should be 100%. not 60%. why 60%? its awful. Why? because as soon as we introduce a % factor, or rather, a chance factor, there is a possibility that you will NEVER EVER fall into the 60% success and always break an item. also the other way around.
Whoever posted that increasing drop rates would reduce botters, well farmers actually, is correct.
The argument that nothing will change, or that it will make the situation worse is not quite right.
I don't need to give detailed reasoning. It's pretty obvious.
If the game is made easier, people don't feel the need to cheat/ebay.
Maybe those that spent $$$ will still spend $$$, but there will be MANY, MANY more who won't even think about it, because with a little work they can get it for free.
I already got my master's so you can stop with the insults.
TO top it all off you leave out alot of points , about economy 101. About supply and demand which you dont take into account. Right now demands high and supply is low so it push's price up.
I am Alan Greenspan.
I hope our new community manager is listening =).
The pope could be listening and it still wouldn't matter. The only people who you need to listen are the devs in korea.
You actually didnt state a point. You were being sarcastic. Which is great when used in the form of comedy.
Why would you create alts / sub's etc. Oh wait you wanted to do something different not the same. Your chars are only 70's? I got no issue with you. I want you to admit it would be better for the game if the hardcoreness was brought down 50 percent.
Im hoping this new event increase the supply of S / S80 Market / Level 14 crystals .
Im going to say lets get back on topic about the topic at hand. If you want to attack the ideas attack them with facts. Not with silly , personal attacks. I could care less if you believe in my background.
The game is good as it is now. Perhaps increase drops of basic mats is needed if bots will be sacked, but otherwise is fine.
Ppl say demand is high and prices will increase. Perhaps. But also the adena supply will go down and adena demand will grow. So what will that bring ? Prices will adjust a bit here and there.
If both demand for adena and demand for items grow in same proportion, prices will remain stable. Both were supplied by bots, so bots gone, nothing will really change in average.
I say in average because some items will increase in value, some will drop. Without level 85 bots will be hard to farm top bosses all day long, therefore prices for epics will increase also because they will be very few after bots using them are gone. But that is the whole point with epics, very few, very pricy, very hard to get, etc.
The only change i advocate in case of changing policy in case of botting would be basic mats drop rate increase. I mean bones, sop and the like because ppl level much faster now and there will be not enough legits within those levels to get them in large quantities. The game was ballanced in that aspect when it was taking months to reach level 52.
But that is all, the rest will autoadjust. No bots to give adena, prices will fall, no bots to sell mats, prices will increase. Those two will cancel themselves out and adena will be much sought for same as items hence prices will not change much in average, just for some adjustments in some areas.
Prices change when there are suddenly gaps in supply of either adena or items. If both suffer the same way, prices will remain the same. I hope it was clear enough for non-economists out there.
No, bots dont bring anything good to the game.
M
The only change i advocate in case of changing policy in case of botting would be basic mats drop rate increase. I mean bones, sop and the like because ppl level much faster now and there will be not enough legits within those levels to get them in large quantities. The game was ballanced in that aspect when it was taking months to reach level 52.
But that is all, the rest will autoadjust. No bots to give adena, prices will fall, no bots to sell mats, prices will increase. Those two will cancel themselves out and adena will be much sought for same as items hence prices will not change much in average, just for some adjustments in some areas.
Prices change when there are suddenly gaps in supply of either adena or items. If both suffer the same way, prices will remain the same. I hope it was clear enough for non-economists out there.
No, bots dont bring anything good to the game.
M
You said no bots to sell mats = increase in price. Remember if the mat drops are going to be increased, then there should be an increased supply.
Bots farm adena to sell to players, players who usually want to buy expensive items.
If a mat drop increase allows players to craft items more easily, then they wont need to buy the adena.
A drop rate increase is basically increasing supply to meet demand.
It'll get rid of farmers.
It'll also reduce inflation hopefully, because items aren't as difficult to attain, and therefore should cost less, because less effort was required to create them.
I think the main problem is and has always been that the games drop rates are horrible. Little supply and great demand = increased price for items.
Players bots will remain, they exist due to the games horrible grind.
The economy and drop rates are as they are in order to encourage botting because this is where NC Soft make their money. It is there by design and will never be changed.
like any mmo out there theres going to br problems. bots farmers so on. there is one way defeat them. When you have the same item. They have stell it for a legit price. Dont go for the get rich quick think you are just playing there game. There is no way to get totaly rid of them.
Dont go for the get rich quick think you are just playing there game. There is no way to get totaly rid of them.
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It's not about being rich.
Its just about being able to equip your characters properly. The super difficult grind already makes this game a little boring. Even though things are much better now (I remember playing in prelude and C1). No one wants to spend weeks and weeks with their character afk just to make a couple hundred million. Even now, only a few people know how to make that much money in that much time. 100 mill/week or so.
I'm not sure what its like in later levels but so far im lv 63.
I'm already dreading having to make the couple billion adena for s grade, but hey, even that might be acheivable.
However S80 and Vesper I'm sure is never going to be acheivable in any decent time for your average casual player.
I guess I'll have moved to Aion before S-grade though lol.
You might not totally get rid of farmers. I'm sure no one thinks you can get rid of all of them. but stay or leave, as long as players can get the stuff more easily, prices will come down, and no one will turn to buying adena for real money.
I'm already dreading having to make the couple billion adena for s grade, but hey, even that might be acheivable.
However S80 and Vesper I'm sure is never going to be acheivable in any decent time for your average casual player.
not so dramatic. you can work for your gear too you dont have to buy it.
I started 1.5 years ago again with 0 adena and a borrowed A grade set + weapon and have now full S set + 2 S weapons one 150fire with SA and a couple hundred million adena for spare. It is very much possible to play the market and make adena fast
imho prices ingame are just fine nd im saying that beeing on the server wif the most expensive goodies... luna :P ...
if only shots would be more affordable without loosing all ya cash u just farmed going into them :p (and them im even crafting! buying would make me bankrupt) then i guess the game wud be fine.. i mean.. if shots are easier to buy (the thing ppl need most imho???) then ppl save cash to buy other things and then we're all happy init =p
imho prices ingame are just fine nd im saying that beeing on the server wif the most expensive goodies... luna :P ...
if only shots would be more affordable without loosing all ya cash u just farmed going into them :p (and them im even crafting! buying would make me bankrupt) then i guess the game wud be fine.. i mean.. if shots are easier to buy (the thing ppl need most imho???) then ppl save cash to buy other things and then we're all happy init =p
my 2 cents o.o
Costs between 200 and 300 million for A grade. thats with low A wep.
As far as I remember I used maybe 20-30 million worth of shots. 10% of the value needed for A grade.
saving on shots is nowhere close.
Also without shots its very difficult to solo effectively.
They don't. And they won't with the suggested changes either.
It took 1 month to earn enough for A grade. making that 2 weeks doesnt make it "too easy".
We were talking about working for your gear. Mats = crafting it ;)
1 year is a ridiculously long time. Plus you were given the A grade equip. A grade is where the first wall is. So you passed that free into S grade.
People have mentioned that income is easier at S grade, I'm not there yet, so I don't know.
It is easier at high levels. Once on HB you get adena from hunting really fast too. I came back to game as a lvl 76/75 noble btw. I had the A grade sets before and I worked for them in toi, raiding, making adena and buy missing pieces, its just that I gave them away when I "quit". It really is not that hard to get gear but you do have to work for it yeah.
I also have a spoiler at beast farm level, spoiled many A helmet recipes already, all you gotta do is put time in it. its fun too you know
2. Make spoil rates 1:1 for green mobs, 1:5 for white mobs, 1:10 for gold mobs, and 1:20 for red mobs.
3. Increase spoil amounts by a factor of 5 for all keymat material spoils. Let spoil percentages and amounts for armor parts, enchants, weapon parts, and recipes stay the same.
4. Make gloves, boots, shields, and low grade weapons available through normal drops. Top grade weapons, armors, and helms will only be accessible through crafts or raid drops.
5. Create an invisible table that increases your chances for a drop after 60-80 hours of nonsecutive gameplay in a combat zone. In other words the table increases by a certain percent each day you're out hunting. When it reaches it's limit for the day, it will start decreasing the longer you are hunting. When a drop is received, the table resets. The table also resets if you purchase or receive an item from trades.
6. Make S-grade recipes choosable in the Ketra/Varka quests. Heck, make all rewards choosable and remove the random factor.
That should take care of the economy problems without oversimplifying the game.
or just double xp/drops/adena weekends, between like 8pm friday and 12 midnight sunday. give people a reason to come back.
Weekends? Man, think! Weekend is for getting out and getting fun. Not for sitting and hitting buttons for better XP/drops. If they would do something like that, they should increase it in workdays only!
7. Craftable materials should no longer drop or be available through manor. For example: cbp, cokes, steel...etc.
nah thats goofy! I don't want to do manor for mats and I won't ask other players to either. People play for drops ... Bots stand for hours and manger waiting for him to open. :p
nah thats goofy! I don't want to do manor for mats and I won't ask other players to either. People play for drops ... Bots stand for hours and manger waiting for him to open. :p
You will still get basic mats like bone, suede, iron and so on. Just not craftable mats like VoP, DMP, crushed bone powder, and steel. This makes dwarves more useful in the game.
You will still get basic mats like bone, suede, iron and so on. Just not craftable mats like VoP, DMP, crushed bone powder, and steel. This makes dwarves more useful in the game.
Something needs to be done about the availability of the seeds in the first place. I never get them. lol.
They also need to get rid of the time period for turning seeds in, or extend it or something.
Some players think the game is too easy at the stage we are at...
Some player think the game is fine as is right now...
Some players think it is hard...
no one is going to be right or wrong...it is all "Preception"...
May be NC should build 2 other servers (Hardcode and Easy)...
The players think the game is too easy can move to HArdcode server
The players think the game is fine just simply stay where they at
and the players think the game is too hard go to the Easier server...