It seems after the last update the red souls crystals up to lvl 10 are INVISIBLE when in package sales.
So now there are lot of scammers which package sale a single wind stone really cheap but in package with invisible red soul crystals for 200 kk. So you buy both for 225kk:mad:
Don't know if the crystal iz invisible only when sold together with wind stone but all the scammers are selling only this combo.
I wonder why it takes them so long to fix...if you use a particular software it takes you 1 minute to fix it your self so that the image re-apear in game.
I got an asnwer to my petition. GM Jeff said they are aware of the bug and arw working on it, but then went with the usual blah blah... GM cannot interfere because it is player-player relations etc...
BUT - it is bug misuse and is punishable under the NCSoft own rules. Not that they seems to care...
Well, pachage sales have a different shop title colour, and of course you can always check the total price in the buy window, so it is not as if you cannot avoid this scam. But still, I can see some people fall for this, the same way people fall for the S gemstones / A gemstones scams etc if they are in a hurry crafting something.
Well, pachage sales have a different shop title colour, and of course you can always check the total price in the buy window, so it is not as if you cannot avoid this scam. But still, I can see some people fall for this, the same way people fall for the S gemstones / A gemstones scams etc if they are in a hurry crafting something.
It is easy to fall in the scam. You can see the total price below but it is shown only with numbers so it is not that hard to mistake 25000000 with 250000000 providing you see only one item and already checked the price and it is ok.
Looks like a good reply, too bad you had to give him a Very Poor feedback since he didnt say what you wanted.
If someone gets scammed because they dont check before buying, that is their own **** fault.
GM's are not babysitters for morons. Even if you wanna make them be that.
If there is a moron that's only you. Because you didn't care to read the topic at all. Because he reported the bug AND according to the NCSoft rules misusing the bugs is punishable offense.
So stop being jerk demonstrating your ignorance.
It is easy to fall in the scam. You can see the total price below but it is shown only with numbers so it is not that hard to mistake 25000000 with 250000000 providing you see only one item and already checked the price and it is ok.
They dont just write the 0's one after another...if you still dont see the difference between 1k, 1m and 1b you need some glasses :p
You will not exploit any bug in Lineage II and you will not communicate the existence of any such exploitable bug (bugs that grant the user unnatural or unintended benefits) either directly or through public posting, to any other user of Lineage II. Bugs should be promptly reported via 'Ask A Question' at http://support.lineage2.com.
So:
1) The existance of this thread is agains the Rules of Conduct -- Please contact the support site
2) Knowingly exploiting a bug to take from others is clearly against the games rules of conduct. Should the user buying double check their price before they confirm? You should hope they wouldn't be as dumb not to... Should the person be using an invisible item (that isn't supposed to be invisible) to grossly inflate the price of their shop hoping to catch unsuspecting patrons? No.
3) We all know the GM's in game are all students at an elementary special ed pre-school. You should know better than to petition.
Funny..sad and true. You always should check everything before rush and buy stuff from others.
hard to check when you see a guy selling Devine stones for 1mil!!! The first thing comming on your mind is: GOSH! He must've forgotten to add '0' (zero) to 1 (one) !!! I"m gonna buy it!
NCSoft NA can fix it without the help from Korea...all they need to do is to replace the name of the file for the red soul crystal with the correct one (in the list of items) and it will be back.
by the way...they fixed alot of the skill descriptions lately, but guess what they managed to do...they gave dance of berserker the same skill description as song of purification
It has not been declared an exploit, therefore it isnt one.
Hello?
Is there an NCsoft policy about not-counting "non-declared" exploits as exploits? Where can I read about it?
Is there even the list of "declared exploits" from NCsoft?
If you are only buying an SA crystal, Windstone, anything else that is only 1 item, why would you have to buy it from a PACKAGE SALE?
Because ppl like to advertise their shop by marking it with an unusual color?
hard to check when you see a guy selling Devine stones for 1mil!!! The first thing comming on your mind is: GOSH! He must've forgotten to add '0' (zero) to 1 (one) !!! I"m gonna buy it!
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
This is not an exploit.
And there is nothing the GM's can or will do concerning this scam. Check the items and prices before you buy them.
Is there an NCsoft policy about not-counting "non-declared" exploits as exploits? Where can I read about it?
Is there even the list of "declared exploits" from NCsoft?
Because ppl like to advertise their shop by marking it with an unusual color?
Noone is forcing you to buy from shops with another color.
Ppl need to start shopping smart. Like someone already said, if it looks too good to be true it most likely is. And there is no reason to buy a single item from a package sale.
Thank you Lyzira for reply. Now we know that developers working to fix icons, which someone claims it is 30mins work. Little sarcam, couldn't resist, sorry ;)
But what about cheaters who using (and there are no need for additional proof) software bugs to gain wealth. IIRC eula sais that using bugs or exploits is ban offense.
a bug would be buying healing pots from the grocery stotre for 10 adena and selling them back to the grocery store for 10m adena. That's bannable bug abuse.
NCsoft doesn't need to declare something an exploit for it to be an exploit. The icon for that crystal was unintentionally deleted. They didn't decide to just make invisible items, it's obvious this was NOT done on purpose. So in order to "to utilize, esp. for profit" (quote from the definition) is in itself... exploitation! :D
NCsoft doesn't need to declare something an exploit for it to be an exploit. The icon for that crystal was unintentionally deleted. They didn't decide to just make invisible items, it's obvious this was NOT done on purpose. So in order to "to utilize, esp. for profit" (quote from the definition) is in itself... exploitation! :D
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taking advantage of other people's stupidity is not an exploit
By selling you a red soul crystal for a bazilion adena the scammer doesn't get any unintended benefit since ... they is no price for it anywhere that forces him to adhere to it.
Very much like setting up a bulk sell shop selling 6 Ancient Adena for 20m each. Or 800 SSS for 150k each, whatever, onus is on the buyer to verify what they are buying before clicking.
So unless you can prove you bulk bought something and bulk price was 10m and the guy somehow took 100m then tough luck.
NCsoft doesn't need to declare something an exploit for it to be an exploit. The icon for that crystal was unintentionally deleted. They didn't decide to just make invisible items, it's obvious this was NOT done on purpose. So in order to "to utilize, esp. for profit" (quote from the definition) is in itself... exploitation! :D
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That still makes it a scam, just not an exploit. :D
Ok -- as some of you know from talking with me, I've worked in the gaming industry for years (I am in no way affiliated with NCSoft). We all know the L2 has sub-par support system in place and the chances that anyone will do anything about this is slim to none but here it is:
If it were up to me, each of the people exploiting this bug (of an item with no icon) would all be warned clearly first. Education is the most important first step, let them know what is wrong and why, etc. If they did it a second time it should result in a temporary ban.
That item has no icon by mistake. To take advantage of it is exploiting the fact that the item has no picture.
I understand your view that scamming isn't exploiting -- and you're right! Placing Sepulcher Pass's in a shop and labeling them S-Gems for 400k each is scamming. Putting an invisible item (that isn't intended to be invisible) in your store to purposefully attempt to mislead someone is exploiting.
Kinda funny on Penix cause there are all sorts using this scam.
I also noted something else. in the heavy heavy lag be carefull when you set prices cause some of the numbers get lost. I was selling css for 1 Adena cause it didn't register the 2 (that was the first number i put in). i must have clicked the OK box as i wasn't thinking...was tired....still am.
Why are some people saying it's not an exploit? This scam would not work if it didn't exploit a bug/mistake by NCsoft.
*sigh* as some people already said: You can sell any item for whatever price you wish...the buyer decides whether or not to buy the item for the determined price.
If the buyer neglects to check whether the eventual price is the same he has agreed to buy it for, it is his own fault.
Apart from that, I do think it's a major screwup from ncsoft. But by now everyone playing this game for more than a week should already be aware that NCSoft is the king of major screwups.
*sigh* as some people already said: You can sell any item for whatever price you wish...the buyer decides whether or not to buy the item for the determined price.
If the buyer neglects to check whether the eventual price is the same he has agreed to buy it for, it is his own fault.
Apart from that, I do think it's a major screwup from ncsoft. But by now everyone playing this game for more than a week should already be aware that NCSoft is the king of major screwups.
Thats the same argument as 'well, someone didnt lock their door they deserved to be burglarized' it doesnt stand up in any moral society. Would you go to jail for opening a door, walking in and stealing things? yes. That is considered breaking and entering whether the door was locked or not.
People like you are frankly...stupid. Dont you see arguments blaming the victim only reinforce a society and gameplace that everyone likes less? Imagine if your sister got assaulted in a dark alley and someone says to you 'well, she shouldnt have been walking in a dark alley, thats kinda her fault!', I dont think that would sit well with you.
Even if someone is not 100% paying attention it is not their fault that they were victimized, it is the perpetrator of that action that has done the wrong and is to blame.
Thats the same argument as 'well, someone didnt lock their door they deserved to be burglarized' it doesnt stand up in any moral society. Would you go to jail for opening a door, walking in and stealing things? yes. That is considered breaking and entering whether the door was locked or not.
People like you are frankly...stupid. Dont you see arguments blaming the victim only reinforce a society and gameplace that everyone likes less? Imagine if your sister got assaulted in a dark alley and someone says to you 'well, she shouldnt have been walking in a dark alley, thats kinda her fault!', I dont think that would sit well with you.
Even if someone is not 100% paying attention it is not their fault that they were victimized, it is the perpetrator of that action that has done the wrong and is to blame.
Tell me then, I want to sell a blue13, a green13 and a red13 in a package sale, I price them all at 150mill, would you call me a scammer? They are all underpriced, as I want to be nice to someone taking all 3 stones off my hand.
Am I a scammer?
I think not.....
Now I'm thinking....a Red13 is for an arc mace's acumen....lots of people want that, so it's worth more.......I price the blue and green at 150mill, but the red at 220mill...would you call me a scammer?
Thats the same argument as 'well, someone didnt lock their door they deserved to be burglarized' it doesnt stand up in any moral society. Would you go to jail for opening a door, walking in and stealing things? yes. That is considered breaking and entering whether the door was locked or not.
People like you are frankly...stupid. Dont you see arguments blaming the victim only reinforce a society and gameplace that everyone likes less? Imagine if your sister got assaulted in a dark alley and someone says to you 'well, she shouldnt have been walking in a dark alley, thats kinda her fault!', I dont think that would sit well with you.
Even if someone is not 100% paying attention it is not their fault that they were victimized, it is the perpetrator of that action that has done the wrong and is to blame.
online gaming, contrary to popular belief, is NOT courtTV nor Judge Judy. If ncsoft were to police player/player relationships they need about 1 to 1 GM/Player ratio. So they don't. They 've made it very clear that the onus is on the buyer to check what he's buying and what he's paying, so even if you didn't notice the crystal in the bulk shop it is your responsibility to notice you are paying 550m for something. And evaluate the price.
It seems after the last update the red souls crystals up to lvl 10 are INVISIBLE when in package sales.
So now there are lot of scammers which package sale a single wind stone really cheap but in package with invisible red soul crystals for 200 kk. So you buy both for 225kk:mad:
Don't know if the crystal iz invisible only when sold together with wind stone but all the scammers are selling only this combo.
NCSoft - please fix it asap!
PS - I made an ingame petition too.
almost fell for this one myself. Gotta watch extra careful from now on when you see something really cheap
Kinda funny on Penix cause there are all sorts using this scam.
I also noted something else. in the heavy heavy lag be carefull when you set prices cause some of the numbers get lost. I was selling css for 1 Adena cause it didn't register the 2 (that was the first number i put in). i must have clicked the OK box as i wasn't thinking...was tired....still am.
online gaming, contrary to popular belief, is NOT courtTV nor Judge Judy. If ncsoft were to police player/player relationships they need about 1 to 1 GM/Player ratio. So they don't. They 've made it very clear that the onus is on the buyer to check what he's buying and what he's paying, so even if you didn't notice the crystal in the bulk shop it is your responsibility to notice you are paying 550m for something. And evaluate the price.
This.
Yes, abusing the fact that red soul crystals have no icon right now is abusing a bug. But IN GENERAL if somebody sells something at a wrong price by either misrepresentation (e.g. sepulcher passes sold as S gemstones) or by e.g. doing a bulk sale "everything 100k" and then one item in the bulk sale is 100m - that might be a scam, but it is NOT an exploit and not something GMs should "undo" or ban players for.
It is your own responsibility to look at the price and at the items which can be easily seen in the buy window, use your brain and think "well, this item says sepulcher pass, that's not what i want" or "well, this says I have to pay over 100m, that is not three times 100k".
Once more:
- there is bug when red crystals does not have icon
If you kill faster with it, hit harder or whatever else interacting with game world (not **** player decisions) what will give you advantage over other people - in that case it will be exploit.
But package sale, read "PACKAGE" - so all of it.
The fact that stupid people buy your package for high price - this is their stupidity.
If you want compensation for what you called "scam" I want compensation for all red soulcrystalls I cannot sell with normal sell shop as players dont see them.
I honestly don't see what makes it an exploit when something like selling sepulcher passes as S gems is just a scam. It's more or less the same thing, taking advantage of bad icons.
Anyone getting scammed by this doesn't deserve the money in the first place. If you don't check total cost you should lose your adena.
Looks like a good reply, too bad you had to give him a Very Poor feedback since he didnt say what you wanted.
If someone gets scammed because they dont check before buying, that is their own **** fault.
GM's are not babysitters for morons. Even if you wanna make them be that.
no but they are resposable for this bug
if u'r bank did this to you u'd be on u'r high horses right now
just because this is a game doesnt make this right
that u pay the error of programation
no but they are resposable for this bug
if u'r bank did this to you u'd be on u'r high horses right now
just because this is a game doesnt make this right
that u pay the error of programation
If a cashier in a grocery store asks for $1000 for my day to day shopping I would probably notice before I hand him my money.
Might just be me. But I usually care how much I pay for something.
But if you walked into a grocery store and picked up an apple and got charged $500 extra because there was a hidden fee you'd feel a bit cheated, whether you accepted the charge or not.
This is all very similar to bait and switch, which even at your grocery store is illegal. People arguing that using an invisible item to trick someone is normal game play LOL I've been playing for over 5 years, I've yet to see an item that has an invisible icon on purpose.