With all the players posting merge servers how about giving them a transfer. Make all the Euro's who post for a merge pay to transfer to a NA server of your choice NCSOFT. The NA players and all non Euro players get transfered to a Euro server of your choice. That's how we should give those that are unhappy with thier servers a chance to be happy again.
They want to move from the server they are on pretty bad. So during a maintenence day charge them for the transfer and transfer them. While those of us who are happy where we are can stay where we are. It's fair to all involved if ya ask me.
2nd thing that would please players is to balance the game. So with balancing the game take out all the augmenting and enchanting of every kind. If a player has a higher enchant on his gear than another player that is unbalanced so lets take all of that outta game. Armor set bonuses we should take outta game also since if 1 player is pvping in a Maj heavy against 1 in a DC heavy those set bonuses make things unbalanced. So lets take that outta game so players stop complaining.
Skill Enchanting is also a spot that can make things unbalanced so let's no longer offer that to players. To many want a balanced game so let's fix things so they will stop complaining.
We also need every class/race in game doing the exact same amount of damage. With Orcs hitting harder than a Elf that is unbalanced and makes players complain nonstop about how unbalanced and unfair things are. So please let's fix that. Also if a player runs out of shot's while pvping a player who has enough shots to last a long fight then it's unbalanced. Solution is to take all the shots outta the game so we have a balance.
"Balance is king of all MMORPG'S" So we shouldn't have all that stuff mentioned in game.
There is a Halloween event on Phoenix that Isabellie is holding if you are upset with this post. Pay her and you can hunt me :).
I dont think people are complaining about the actual server when they mention mergers. I think they are talking about the actual server population being low and wanting to play with more people.
I know what they are complaining about. But a server merge didn't fix anything last time. It won't this time either. Players will quit when you force your views on them and they don't want it.
Im not forcing views. But while were on the topic I suppose we can discuss it. I personally would like a server merge because I like my mmo's massive. I would like to see hunting spots filled with people fighting for them. I want to see conflict in the game because no one has room to move.
But hey thats just one man's opinion. I dont have the power to merge servers. No views being forced here.
With all the players posting merge servers how about giving them a transfer. Make all the Euro's who post for a merge pay to transfer to a NA server of your choice NCSOFT. The NA players and all non Euro players get transfered to a Euro server of your choice. That's how we should give those that are unhappy with thier servers a chance to be happy again.
They want to move from the server they are on pretty bad. So during a maintenence day charge them for the transfer and transfer them. While those of us who are happy where we are can stay where we are. It's fair to all involved if ya ask me.
2nd thing that would please players is to balance the game. So with balancing the game take out all the augmenting and enchanting of every kind. If a player has a higher enchant on his gear than another player that is unbalanced so lets take all of that outta game. Armor set bonuses we should take outta game also since if 1 player is pvping in a Maj heavy against 1 in a DC heavy those set bonuses make things unbalanced. So lets take that outta game so players stop complaining.
Skill Enchanting is also a spot that can make things unbalanced so let's no longer offer that to players. To many want a balanced game so let's fix things so they will stop complaining.
We also need every class/race in game doing the exact same amount of damage. With Orcs hitting harder than a Elf that is unbalanced and makes players complain nonstop about how unbalanced and unfair things are. So please let's fix that. Also if a player runs out of shot's while pvping a player who has enough shots to last a long fight then it's unbalanced. Solution is to take all the shots outta the game so we have a balance.
"Balance is king of all MMORPG'S" So we shouldn't have all that stuff mentioned in game.
There is a Halloween event on Phoenix that Isabellie is holding if you are upset with this post. Pay her and you can hunt me :). http://boards.lineage2.com/showthread.php?t=205356 this is cool too! :D
With all the players posting merge servers how about giving them a transfer. Make all the Euro's who post for a merge pay to transfer to a NA server of your choice NCSOFT. The NA players and all non Euro players get transfered to a Euro server of your choice. That's how we should give those that are unhappy with thier servers a chance to be happy again.
They want to move from the server they are on pretty bad. So during a maintenence day charge them for the transfer and transfer them. While those of us who are happy where we are can stay where we are. It's fair to all involved if ya ask me.
2nd thing that would please players is to balance the game. So with balancing the game take out all the augmenting and enchanting of every kind. If a player has a higher enchant on his gear than another player that is unbalanced so lets take all of that outta game. Armor set bonuses we should take outta game also since if 1 player is pvping in a Maj heavy against 1 in a DC heavy those set bonuses make things unbalanced. So lets take that outta game so players stop complaining.
Skill Enchanting is also a spot that can make things unbalanced so let's no longer offer that to players. To many want a balanced game so let's fix things so they will stop complaining.
We also need every class/race in game doing the exact same amount of damage. With Orcs hitting harder than a Elf that is unbalanced and makes players complain nonstop about how unbalanced and unfair things are. So please let's fix that. Also if a player runs out of shot's while pvping a player who has enough shots to last a long fight then it's unbalanced. Solution is to take all the shots outta the game so we have a balance.
"Balance is king of all MMORPG'S" So we shouldn't have all that stuff mentioned in game.
There is a Halloween event on Phoenix that Isabellie is holding if you are upset with this post. Pay her and you can hunt me :).
the only people complaining about wanting server mergers are just frontmen for adena farming syndicates... if all servers merge, then they won't need so many farming accounts... although for a brief period of time, i suspect the cost of adena via any estranged adena farming web site will go down... (which visiting is not illegal, but purchasing is...)
i wonder... with so many people crying dead game, dead game...
i wonder why the adena farmers haven't left yet, do they also suspect that Aion will fail?
(this has been a Wild outrageous accusation and has no research to back it up not directed at any one or multiple individuals)
With all the players posting merge servers how about giving them a transfer. Make all the Euro's who post for a merge pay to transfer to a NA server of your choice NCSOFT. The NA players and all non Euro players get transfered to a Euro server of your choice. That's how we should give those that are unhappy with thier servers a chance to be happy again.
They want to move from the server they are on pretty bad. So during a maintenence day charge them for the transfer and transfer them. While those of us who are happy where we are can stay where we are. It's fair to all involved if ya ask me.
2nd thing that would please players is to balance the game. So with balancing the game take out all the augmenting and enchanting of every kind. If a player has a higher enchant on his gear than another player that is unbalanced so lets take all of that outta game. Armor set bonuses we should take outta game also since if 1 player is pvping in a Maj heavy against 1 in a DC heavy those set bonuses make things unbalanced. So lets take that outta game so players stop complaining.
Skill Enchanting is also a spot that can make things unbalanced so let's no longer offer that to players. To many want a balanced game so let's fix things so they will stop complaining.
We also need every class/race in game doing the exact same amount of damage. With Orcs hitting harder than a Elf that is unbalanced and makes players complain nonstop about how unbalanced and unfair things are. So please let's fix that. Also if a player runs out of shot's while pvping a player who has enough shots to last a long fight then it's unbalanced. Solution is to take all the shots outta the game so we have a balance.
"Balance is king of all MMORPG'S" So we shouldn't have all that stuff mentioned in game.
There is a Halloween event on Phoenix that Isabellie is holding if you are upset with this post. Pay her and you can hunt me :).
Removing Skill Enchants, and Enchanting in general are terrible Ideas. Augmenting, Debatable.
The one that takes the cake is:
We also need every class/race in game doing the exact same amount of damage. With Orcs hitting harder than a Elf that is unbalanced and makes players complain nonstop about how unbalanced and unfair things are. So please let's fix that. Also if a player runs out of shot's while pvping a player who has enough shots to last a long fight then it's unbalanced. Solution is to take all the shots outta the game so we have a balance.
By far the dumbest suggestion I have ever read in the game... Lets make everything the same exact thing, just make them look different... That wont make the game boring...
You defiantly are the winner for the worst suggestion ever made on these boards.
Im not forcing views. But while were on the topic I suppose we can discuss it. I personally would like a server merge because I like my mmo's massive. I would like to see hunting spots filled with people fighting for them. I want to see conflict in the game because no one has room to move.
But hey thats just one man's opinion. I dont have the power to merge servers. No views being forced here.
What's stopping ppl from transferring off deadbeat servers?
What's stopping ppl from transferring off deadbeat servers?
In case you haven't noticed money is a bit tight for a lot of ppl out there. While paying $15 a month to entertain themselves isn't bad, paying $50/character to move them ot a better server is a bit too much.
Personnally I don't care if they ever merge the servers or not; I'll keep playing either way.
What NCsoft should try doing long before they think about mergering the servers is offer server transfers for free for about 1-2 weeks. Keep the rules the same, but give about 1-2 months advance notice so people can prepare themselves ahead of time.
With all the players posting merge servers how about giving them a transfer. Make all the Euro's who post for a merge pay to transfer to a NA server of your choice NCSOFT. The NA players and all non Euro players get transfered to a Euro server of your choice. That's how we should give those that are unhappy with thier servers a chance to be happy again.
They want to move from the server they are on pretty bad. So during a maintenence day charge them for the transfer and transfer them. While those of us who are happy where we are can stay where we are. It's fair to all involved if ya ask me.
2nd thing that would please players is to balance the game. So with balancing the game take out all the augmenting and enchanting of every kind. If a player has a higher enchant on his gear than another player that is unbalanced so lets take all of that outta game. Armor set bonuses we should take outta game also since if 1 player is pvping in a Maj heavy against 1 in a DC heavy those set bonuses make things unbalanced. So lets take that outta game so players stop complaining.
Skill Enchanting is also a spot that can make things unbalanced so let's no longer offer that to players. To many want a balanced game so let's fix things so they will stop complaining.
We also need every class/race in game doing the exact same amount of damage. With Orcs hitting harder than a Elf that is unbalanced and makes players complain nonstop about how unbalanced and unfair things are. So please let's fix that. Also if a player runs out of shot's while pvping a player who has enough shots to last a long fight then it's unbalanced. Solution is to take all the shots outta the game so we have a balance.
"Balance is king of all MMORPG'S" So we shouldn't have all that stuff mentioned in game.
There is a Halloween event on Phoenix that Isabellie is holding if you are upset with this post. Pay her and you can hunt me :).
Orcs are supposed to hit harder, and LEs are supposed to have some advantages over Orcs, like crit rate and attack speed. This is called trade-offs. In truth, I will admit the trade-offs are often not balanced in L2. But having trade-offs does matter, as it allows for variety of play-styles. The solution is not to eliminate variety and trade-offs, just to balance them.
Oh you can go anywhere, I play on Phoenix, and you dont sound like someone we need on this server :D
Why because he disagrees with you?
rofl w/e go die irl you dont sound like some one we need in this world
Why because he disagrees with you?
rofl w/e go die irl you dont sound like some one we need in this world
You see Smittie ran out of options. After he went back to actually review my post he realized I made no argument against people transferring servers at will and had no choice but to try to flame me. Its boring and predictable and really not worth my time. This guy is the worst troll ever. You would think after so many post he would learn to troll the right way.
Balancing as in equal rights for everyone and, in a L2 context, equal strenght for all classes is the actual ruler of a MMORPG.
You can't wish to have everyone at the same character development level, though. Courageous people deserve their augmented and high enchanted weapons as they paid the fair price for it.
All classes dealing the same damage? Do you realize Lineage is made of several character features? Some classes are not meant to deal damage, some races are meant to be faster... you didn't make your point very well, sir.
You see Smittie ran out of options. After he went back to actually review my post he realized I made no argument against people transferring servers at will and had no choice but to try to flame me. Its boring and predictable and really not worth my time. This guy is the worst troll ever. You would think after so many post he would learn to troll the right way.
Lets all spam petition him and see if he goes away:D
You see Smittie ran out of options. After he went back to actually review my post he realized I made no argument against people transferring servers at will and had no choice but to try to flame me. Its boring and predictable and really not worth my time. This guy is the worst troll ever. You would think after so many post he would learn to troll the right way.
Oh thats too cute, you think you know me. Did I get that definition of a troll yet?
You read that. You try....as much as you can anyway to understand it. Come back. Read my statement earlier. Understand it..as much as you can anyway. Bring a real point to the discussion and then we can talk. Can you do that Smittie? I have yet to see it in any of your posts.
Troll Smittie in my own words. A forum user that frequently posts nonsense and thinks he is making a point. You have yet to make a single one in this thread.
Oh thats too cute, you think you know me. Did I get that definition of a troll yet?
Yet, you're breaking the #1 Forum Rule on the internet...
1. Don't feed the trolls.
Congratulations.
People troll all the time. I know I did my fair share of it. In serious threads -having serious conversations- you have to know how to simply block/ignore them, or otherwise disallow them to bait you into a flamefest or emorage. People easily baited by trolls are called suckers.
That should adress the concerns of bother posters. Bye.
I was actually pointing out a weakness in his argument. He knows what a troll is and is well aware that he is one. I was making a point from a different angle.
I was actually pointing out a weakness in his argument. He knows what a troll is and is well aware that he is one. I was making a point from a different angle.
Stop falling for Smittie's bait. Just post nonsense like crazy, he will get frustrated and go away
I was actually pointing out a weakness in his argument. He knows what a troll is and is well aware that he is one. I was making a point from a different angle.
No I actually didnt know I am a troll. Whish is why I asked you to define it so I can see if it fits.
Or are you just name calling without knowing the meaning of the word?
You read that. You try....as much as you can anyway to understand it. Come back. Read my statement earlier. Understand it..as much as you can anyway. Bring a real point to the discussion and then we can talk. Can you do that Smittie? I have yet to see it in any of your posts.
Troll Smittie in my own words. A forum user that frequently posts nonsense and thinks he is making a point. You have yet to make a single one in this thread.
The post I was responding to was about server transfers. Noone is stopping anyone from doing it. If you cant afford to do it, you are stopping yourself. And you might wanna check your finances if 50$ is alot of money.
You asked me what server to transfer to, while being on a good server. I could care less where you transfer, but I would like less morons on sever, so go ahead and move.
I know what Straw man fallacy is, but it doesnt apply to the first few posts. You tried to get smart with me with ur phoenix comment, I got smart back. There was no argument about the OP there.
By your definition of Troll, I would say Spud, Eamonn and a few of their cohorts apply. I usually try to help ppl on the forums.
The post I was responding to was about server transfers. Noone is stopping anyone from doing it. If you cant afford to do it, you are stopping yourself. And you might wanna check your finances if 50$ is alot of money.
You asked me what server to transfer to, while being on a good server. I could care less where you transfer, but I would like less morons on sever, so go ahead and move.
I know what Straw man fallacy is, but it doesnt apply to the first few posts. You tried to get smart with me with ur phoenix comment, I got smart back. There was no argument about the OP there.
By your definition of Troll, I would say Spud, Eamonn and a few of their cohorts apply. I usually try to help ppl on the forums.
Take care dude, and try not to throw a fit :D
Man...Your really...not to bright..My original post was not at all about transfers but rather about mergers. However you chose to make my argument about a transfer which it never was. You failed to address my post and made it something else which is a straw man fallacy. I didnt expect you would get it though. If you would like to address my post about why I think mergers are good with reasons why they are bad I would be willing to discuss that with you. I have no concern with transfers and made no argument about why people can not transfer. Im not the one that made an argument about transfers based on my personal finances. You care to talk or you still trolling?
Man...Your really...not to bright..My original post was not at all about transfers but rather about mergers. However you chose to make my argument about a transfer which it never was. You failed to address my post and made it something else which is a straw man fallacy. I didnt expect you would get it though. If you would like to address my post about why I think mergers are good with reasons why they are bad I would be willing to discuss that with you. I have no concern with transfers and made no argument about why people can not transfer. Im not the one that made an argument about transfers based on my personal finances. You care to talk or you still trolling?
So you didnt ask me what server to move to, while being on a server that has already merged and is doing fine?
You are not trolling by assisting the ppl asking for merges in YET ANOTHER THREAD.
As for strawman, I dont see you arguing logically here, just trying to tell me im stupid, something you have yet to prove. You can say it 100 times if you want, but if you cant prove it, it remains untrue.
My response to the merger ppl was, there is noone stopping them from moving to another server, with better population, or whatever it is they are looking for.
Alot of other stuff happens when a server merges. And Im willing to bet that most ppl asking for server merge doesnt have a clan hall for instance.
So you didnt ask me what server to move to, while being on a server that has already merged and is doing fine?
You are not trolling by assisting the ppl asking for merges in YET ANOTHER THREAD.
As for strawman, I dont see you arguing logically here, just trying to tell me im stupid, something you have yet to prove. You can say it 100 times if you want, but if you cant prove it, it remains untrue.
My response to the merger ppl was, there is noone stopping them from moving to another server, with better population, or whatever it is they are looking for.
Alot of other stuff happens when a server merges. And Im willing to bet that most ppl asking for server merge doesnt have a clan hall for instance.
Pls dont troll me Nos.
Oh your finally responding to my post about merges. I knew you could do it. Cool now lets talk. To me a clan hall is worthless. I dont have one because I would not waste my money on one. A few lame buffs. Cheap ports. Dont much care about that and a bit less xp lost on death. I dont see much use for them. So maybe we coule refund the moeny people paid for clan halls or even adjust that refund for in game inflation and these people with clan halls would be happy? I dont know. Theres always solutions. Thanks for finally joining the actual conversation. I knew you could be convinced to do it.
In case you haven't noticed money is a bit tight for a lot of ppl out there. While paying $15 a month to entertain themselves isn't bad, paying $50/character to move them ot a better server is a bit too much.
Personnally I don't care if they ever merge the servers or not; I'll keep playing either way.
What NCsoft should try doing long before they think about mergering the servers is offer server transfers for free for about 1-2 weeks. Keep the rules the same, but give about 1-2 months advance notice so people can prepare themselves ahead of time.
Hold on there sport. You're saying that "players" (I'll use that term generously) who spend $200-$500 ebaying gold to outfit their toon can't afford $50 to transfer?
It would seem they can.....
I think everyone has missed the main theme of the OP's post....
it was SARCASM, not actual suggestions...
well, that's how I read it, and I hope it's how it was intended..
Yep and it seems you ,Demonoid ,and Isa are the only 3 smart ones on the boards. Players wanted to complain about having a balanced game so that's why i made the suggestions.
To those complaining : Shut up and stop crying for a balanced game now that you see how ******ed it sounds.
Also pay Isa to hunt me on halloween magna if ya think you can . Thinking i suck at L2 lol that's funny. This game isn't a second life to me like it is to some and I'm able to logg in just fine and play for fun. Now i'd agree I suck at L2 if i couldn't figure out how to logg in but i can so guesee your a moron.
Yeah becuase Phoenix isn't one of the more populated servers now right?
I don't see any difference now than back when it was Hindemeth to tell you the truth, so yea nothing really changed from what I see except we were only merged server that had a higher than normal ping rate. But in game i didn't notice anything change at all.
It would seriously not surprise me if NCSoft announced 1 free server transfer for everyone at some point....and I'd see them doing that right before another server merge round.
In a way, if they are going to do more mergers (and I think they will), it would make sense to just let everyone go where they wanted and THEN see what merges should be planned (totally in NCSoft's view).
I doubt we'll get very far into 2010 before NA server #'s are combined and reduced.
They should fix the game with my suggestions on how to balance things 1st. Before they worry about merges.
I don't disagree. But history is not on your side on this one! They have not made those changes to balance in 5 years. They have merged servers.
I'm not an advocate of merging servers but I think that will come next.
As for 'balance'--it's one of those non-terms that means so many different things to different people that it is hard to discuss.
One guy literally wants "everyone the same", another wants "similar" abilities, etc. Until the definition of the word "balance" is clearly stated AND agreed upon, it is pretty hard to discuss as a group.
Personally, I think from your first log in screen it should be clear that complete 'balance' (meaning similar effectiveness) is not even part of the game design. The classes start out with no balance, the races aren't balanced, gear isn't balanced, quests aren't balanced--it seems odd that anyone would play for years and suddenly say "why aren't all the toons balanced?".
For example, Nukers and daggers and archers aren't balanced BETWEEN races and certainly not between the classes. They have strengths and deficits.
If all are to have the exact same OUTCOMES then there is no point of even having various races and classes.
Just give the best nuke spells and dagger attacks and archery skills/weapons to dwarves and make everyone play the same nuker/archer/healer/dagger/Buff-pet/tanking scavenger toon who can craft gear.....
Sure, I think I know what you mean by "balance" in the OP, but you have to admit it is a pretty wide open term that lacks a single definition.
What most people mean when they demand balance is really "make MY race/class most uber" so I no longer lose fights to "fill-in-the-blank"......"
Oh your finally responding to my post about merges. I knew you could do it. Cool now lets talk. To me a clan hall is worthless. I dont have one because I would not waste my money on one. A few lame buffs. Cheap ports. Dont much care about that and a bit less xp lost on death. I dont see much use for them. So maybe we coule refund the moeny people paid for clan halls or even adjust that refund for in game inflation and these people with clan halls would be happy? I dont know. Theres always solutions. Thanks for finally joining the actual conversation. I knew you could be convinced to do it.
Ask around a bit. Most clans that had clan halls, and were unable to get one after the merge, will not think the refund was enough at all.
High lvl competitive clans all want clan halls.
Phoenix have already been merged once, I would like my server to not merge again.
And way too many ppl disliked how the last merges ended up. Thats why its better for ppl to transfer where they wanna be.
Ask around a bit. Most clans that had clan halls, and were unable to get one after the merge, will not think the refund was enough at all.
High lvl competitive clans all want clan halls.
Phoenix have already been merged once, I would like my server to not merge again.
And way too many ppl disliked how the last merges ended up. Thats why its better for ppl to transfer where they wanna be.
Thats a fair enough answer. Never having billions to drop on something like that I wouldnt know how that goes. However I do see mergers coming at some point. Its just how these games go after so many years. Thats just what I see, mergers are coming at some point.
I knew also I just didn't post but instead made one my self about a level 81 TH that knew nothing about her class :rolleyes:
Thanks Ashley for fixing that. I'm sorry I missed ya. Your 1 of the cool people so I hope you forgive me.
What is the point on making a ton of servers just to turn arround and go to 1 server in the end? Sounds like a complete waste of money and time. Don't merge anymore servers and just let people go where they want with the already available transfers they get. Or do my idea since they so unhappy on thier own servers. Put Euro's on America's servers and America's folks on Euro servers. America in that stands for all the America's like North,South,Latin,Central and of course the one i can't find on a map. I'm not gonna mention it but my friends know which one I mean.