Yesterday,i was sniffing around on forum when i lucky fall into recruitent hall..I saw many bigs clans posting For members but i also saw some tiny clans...posting for recruit with no more than 15members,lvl 3clans,not many clan skills,and ofc no future..I tried and pmed some leaders ingame and a cought a lvl 56dwarf dreaming to be aden lord!:o I just teardropped that time,...but i didnt interupt the dreamings of the little dwarf:') But then i realized how unfair is the world of lineage..Why only powerful clans can have 2-3castle?Why only ebayers players can be heroes?Why there is no justice in game???:( I'm sure his clan 99% will not succeed even gather more than 20members..But that's the matter i think many players left lineage...:'( I have so many friends playing legit and spend many times on their ambitions!But none of them was never able to truly fullfill one of them cause of the unfair game...
In the end i want to ask if anyone knows if our posts/questions are never getting in serious by the developers...Or we write for just to seeing our posts over and over again...Thx all in advance for reading my post and i truly hope to something change in the future...!
Nothing gets done as far as cheating goes. About the only thing that happens is that posts get deleted. That's about the extent of how much NC cares about Bottage.
I think its completely possible for his dreams to come true, every big clan started out a small clan and worked to become a larger successful clan. If a group of 6 friends stay loyal to one another and level together, sure they wont be able to get the boss jewels, but they can have full equipment top grade and enhanced as much as possible then with luck they could begin to draw in more and more people who are looking for different experiences. Anything is possible :)
Not everyone have to be Aden lord to just get satisfied. A lot of people is happy with some good clan mates, seeing the landscape while killing in Forbidden Gateway, or feeling the thrill into Antharas Lair.
Yesterday,i was sniffing around on forum when i lucky fall into recruitent hall..I saw many bigs clans posting For members but i also saw some tiny clans...posting for recruit with no more than 15members,lvl 3clans,not many clan skills,and ofc no future..I tried and pmed some leaders ingame and a cought a lvl 56dwarf dreaming to be aden lord!:o I just teardropped that time,...but i didnt interupt the dreamings of the little dwarf:') But then i realized how unfair is the world of lineage..Why only powerful clans can have 2-3castle?Why only ebayers players can be heroes?Why there is no justice in game???:( I'm sure his clan 99% will not succeed even gather more than 20members..But that's the matter i think many players left lineage...:'( I have so many friends playing legit and spend many times on their ambitions!But none of them was never able to truly fullfill one of them cause of the unfair game...
In the end i want to ask if anyone knows if our posts/questions are never getting in serious by the developers...Or we write for just to seeing our posts over and over again...Thx all in advance for reading my post and i truly hope to something change in the future...!
Depends on what successful means. For me it means to have a group of friends that are advancing une step at a time every week.
One year ago me and my friend which no longer plays made a clan to store in our lower chars while our big ones (almost level 40 !) were finishing academy in a big clan out there.
Turned out the big (tho legit) clan did not need lowbies after graduation, we returned to our little clan. Had ups and downs, but now we are at most 2 weeks away from clan level 9, we are regularly taking part in sieges fighting for the legit side and the nice bots out there, we are no longer so terrible, just yesterday managed to kill hero that was trying to kill our HQ, all this playing legit (we dont even allow exping with ppl that bot, even if they are live then, even with ppl we dont know unless we give them more exp or help with quests), avoiding PvP in the open field because bots have no real penalty if they die, but for us is really hard to level, etc.
Of course, it is really hard, ppl in this game only want to ffwd to level 80+ then start playing, they dont realize there is a whole bunch of things to be discovered till then, of course lack of PvP outside sieges and TW is putting some ppl off and I had to really struggle to steer them off trouble with the bots, this ruined the clan oncce when we were not careful enough about who was joining, but now lessons are learned, and we are doing better every day, we already had our first noble 2 days ago, a bunch of other ppl will probably get it by the end of the year, it is doable, but legits have to work 100 times more and put up with a lot of frustration, I am so glad that there are ppl that love the game and their friends so much that are going through all this and still find joy no matter how many PKs in the field and how many times they get killed in the siege, there is a nice growing movement in Franz against aggressive botter clans.
Only last night one notorious PK which castle we helped take one month ago and helped keep ever since was complaining about our 140 to 40 "zerg"... That really made my day, gave a sense of accomplishment, they had heroes on their side, havent seen many below S80, we hardy had any s80, big majority A grade and even below, it proves that PK no longer scare ppl into hiding, i just tell our ppl if bot pk you to take your place just go back and call his enemies + keep on watching for the time he is AFK and report. Once every 1000 reports, someone might look into it, tho it didnt happen recently.
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There is one main reason why big clans have castles. If you can not guess let me give you a hint:
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They are big :p. Lots of members makes it easier to take castles (depending on member levels)
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There is one main reason why big clans have castles. If you can not guess let me give you a hint:
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They are big :p. Lots of members makes it easier to take castles (depending on member levels)
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Not all true, i saw lots of old big clans that was simple no match for the botters.
It's not about cheating, its what happens when other clans cant put up decent competition, and then the gap just increases until everyone quits of boredom.
It's not about cheating, its what happens when other clans cant put up decent competition, and then the gap just increases until everyone quits of boredom.
How can they put up a decent competition when the ones they compete against bot 24/7?
On Sayha, a few months ago one of the big clans was attacking the castle of another big clan. While they were busy, late in the siege time, the warsmith owner of a little itsie bitsie clan used her golem to knock a hole in the wall in Goddard, snuck in and successfully scribed.
She did good diplomacy over the next two weeks and got ppl to help her defend, and successfully defended, again holding Goddard.
So if you are smart, daring and have a nice dash of luck, you can do it. This is a legit who did it, too.
Funny how people like to throw that excuse around against clans they never catch botting and that have never had a single ban for botting.
Are you just a stupid delusional kid or some kind of idiot.... or..... are you just trying to prove that that you are...please go drown in your own BS.
Are you just a stupid delusional kid or some kind of idiot.... or..... are you just trying to prove that that you are...please go drown in your own BS.
LOeffenL The****ed...
mmm, so constructive and reasonable, or maybe just horrible at the game
the consensus of the official forums, if you're not 7x in a-grade you're a bot and an ebayer
mmm, so constructive and reasonable, or maybe just horrible at the game
the consensus of the official forums, if you're not 7x in a-grade you're a bot and an ebayer
Nope, that is not true, we see them leveling their subs afk all over the place. They even admit in hero chat they are all bots.
And there is no such thing as a partly legit clan. If you have hero or bots inside, you benefit from castle, from epics, from raids, all the goodies a bot is providing, so, once you are with the bots, you are one of them, even if (yes there are exceptions) you dont bot yourself.
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I checked the recruit page in question. Actually it seems the dwarf with lvl 3 clan of the OP is from france and he is seeking french speeking members to make a small community. Nothing unrealistic in this (besides the fact the real new players are very few).
Nope, that is not true, we see them leveling their subs afk all over the place. They even admit in hero chat they are all bots.
And there is no such thing as a partly legit clan. If you have hero or bots inside, you benefit from castle, from epics, from raids, all the goodies a bot is providing, so, once you are with the bots, you are one of them, even if (yes there are exceptions) you dont bot yourself.
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My point was and still is that cheating is not a factor compared to the existence of strong competition and then I proceeded to say that people unreasonably throw around the bot card.
Without competition you can acquire much more adena and items than is reasonable by anyone to ever ebay. Without competition you can safely exp much faster than any bot program will ever let you do and without any risk of getting banned. I'm outright gonna say that without any serious competition it is completely unreasonable to even want to bot and ebay.
If a clan can make 10-20billions, if not more, worth of items every week from raiding and getting items that aren't even available on any market and who can exp freely in places such as tullys aoeing and effectively being able to get 10% at level 85 in just a few hours; how is it even reasonable to accuse them of ebaying and botting? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to accuse the people who did not have all this of doing those very things?
My point was and still is that cheating is not a factor compared to the existence of strong competition and then I proceeded to say that people unreasonably throw around the bot card.
Without competition you can acquire much more adena and items than is reasonable by anyone to ever ebay. Without competition you can safely exp much faster than any bot program will ever let you do and without any risk of getting banned. I'm outright gonna say that without any serious competition it is completely unreasonable to even want to bot and ebay.
If a clan can make 10-20billions, if not more, worth of items every week from raiding and getting items that aren't even available on any market and who can exp freely in places such as tullys aoeing and effectively being able to get 10% at level 85 in just a few hours; how is it even reasonable to accuse them of ebaying and botting? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to accuse the people who did not have all this of doing those very things?
1. You cant exp faster than bot, unless you say that regarding exp/hour ratio. Yes, bots kill white, green mobs, even blue some really noobish, while we *COULD* kill pink and even deep red ones at a fast rate because we are live and they are not. I say could because from tomorrow wont be possible anymore so we will level slower, basically at same pace as "pr0" botters.
BUT ! They do it 24/7 lets say 20/7 because of some breaks when server goes down, for oly (some), PvP (some) and other things, this is still some 4 times more than any normal person and at least 2 times more than an addict.
2. I know you are talking from a normal person point of view. But bots are lazy kids that want all now without doing any "work". So they will always bot to get hero in 3 months.
3. Regarding 10% in a few hours at level 85... Unless that few hours mean a few days, then HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Perhaps with bday vita buff, otherwise is impossible. And even with vita buff i very much doubt it, but again, depends on what a few hours mean.
Last sentence i did not understand. Acuse whom of what ? My first language is Romanian and I am not used with some twists like you are using there.
And, once again, I know who bots, I have seen them in 2 years in Franz, aparently GMs dont see them. So I am not acusing in general, just the clans that allow bots and the ppl thatare inside, regardless if they bot or not, they still benefit.
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Doesn't change the fact that with competition they shouldn't be able to hunt more than a few minutes without getting attacked, not to mention several hours afk.
And yeah, 10% at 85, pulling all 4 rooms on tullys 2f ever 3minutes for a few hours will do it. 0.14% a pull in a duo, even with some downtime and more people in party its an easy 1.5% an hour. I guess someone could try doing that with a botprogram, but good luck ~~
Doesn't change the fact that with competition they shouldn't be able to hunt more than a few minutes without getting attacked, not to mention several hours afk.
And yeah, 10% at 85, pulling all 4 rooms on tullys 2f ever 3minutes for a few hours will do it. 0.14% a pull in a duo, even with some downtime and more people in party its an easy 1.5% an hour. I guess someone could try doing that with a botprogram, but good luck ~~
On what level vita ? 0 ?
No, you can still exp even with competition, you just detag for the time you exp an retag for sieges, TW, whatever when you have time to play. Ppl do that.
There are also bots that check from time to time, so even if you PK them, they will return in an hour or so, unless they have autoreturn or something, to come back till you are tired of PK or someone spots you and kills.
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People detagging to exp? That's the gayest thing Ive ever heard. Almost as gay as our 'competition' that toggle wars like some kind of farmer clan. And yes, level 0 vita.
legits have to work 100 times more and put up with a lot of frustration
yeap, this game is for the long haul, and just gotta enjoy it at whatever level you are at
People detagging to exp? That's the gayest thing Ive ever heard. Almost as gay as our 'competition' that toggle wars like some kind of farmer clan. And yes, level 0 vita.
cry more. Legit players cannot compete with level 85 whatevers, so it's completely unreasonable to expect them to. If toggling wars is the most they can handle, so be it, and be glad they bother at all. Guess it's frustrating at the top too, but you've got zero room to complain.
What are you talking about? How does that have anything to do with me saying that not putting up a competition is only making the gap larger with time. Much more so than ebaying and botting. So instead of people complaining about what others do they gotta realize that they themselves are the reason why they can never win.
3. Regarding 10% in a few hours at level 85... Unless that few hours mean a few days, then HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! Perhaps with bday vita buff, otherwise is impossible. And even with vita buff i very much doubt it, but again, depends on what a few hours mean.
Why do people open their mouth and talk about things they've never experienced? Yes... Tully's 2nd floor AOE is the best XP in the game, and quite broken. However, there is an EASY way to grief them... Stigma=peaceout, however that you require people to want to compete.
Actually The ****ed have a different problem. They have been complaining that the server was boring and no one would ever compete against them.
Some clans decided to give the lvl 85's some competition. TD had all the wards in TW, and they had lost all of them. So what do they do now that they finally have what they claimed they have wanted for so long. They quickly recruit another clan into their ally to kill off any chance of competition again, so that they can again complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
Actually The ****ed have a different problem. They have been complaining that the server was boring and no one would ever compete against them.
Some clans decided to give the lvl 85's some competition. TD had all the wards in TW, and they had lost all of them. So what do they do now that they finally have what they claimed they have wanted for so long. They quickly recruit another clan into their ally to kill off any chance of competition again, so that they can again complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
LOL
Recruited another clan? Pretty sure we haven't invited any clan, we have a lot of people applied of which a few will get invited but by far not matching the amount of people who have quit over the months. We can't control who else signs up for aden in a TW, in fact we have even detagged people from clan to sign for other territories just for the purpose of killing everyone else who signs for aden. But thats besides the point, we retook most wards with even less numbers than we had when we lost them all, the only difference is that we were actually in an active clan and could use all the benefits of having a clan leader. But of course that can't possibly be the reason we did better, right?
And noone never beat us at anything, the only reason anyone was able to take any wards was because people would pick them up form like 900 range with a bow, clearly an oversight by NC seeing how there are like 10 ways of getting up the sides of aden throne room where you can easily shoot the wards to sneak them out. All people did was rush us and try to sneak away with wards without putting up a fight, I would hardly call that competition, just pathetic if anything. Now give us those same numbers at frint, baium, antharas, valakas, hellbound or even just for fun outside goddard and we can talk about a fun fight and something I really encourage people to do ^^
You can indeed get 10% in a few hours at 85 on Hellbound. I'm afraid MaoMao has no idea what he is talking about... and obviously reality is out of his reach when it's out of his experience and cannot be imagined. That is pretty sad... but I'm afraid it is the normal.
I got really tired of being accused of being a bot simply because of my level. I think the only thing I did that was different from my accusers is that I continuously played one character and didn't waste much time at all on other characters. And because of my class, the higher I got, the more required it was to have a bishop in party, so that was rarely lacking for me.
The grind in this game is very unforgiving. People at higher levels (80+) have had to figure out ways to get it fast. AOE in Tully's was discovered after AOE at Chimeras, and after they nerfed the spawn there. It is boring as hell, repetitive as hell, and until it was perfected, many brezes were always needed. Because of the system, the way the game is designed, most of the support was boxed and oop, while the main players got all that xp.
As far as creating competition for TD on Bartz, Dinin, I'm afraid you all may be out of luck because the disparity is too much. Long gone is the fight that was in the clans back in the Chronicles. The driven clan leaders, the ones that knew strategy and had cunning, and could inspire their members, I'm afraid they are all gone now.
If your server is not giving you enough competition transfer to another till you start to fight the real powerfull botters then come to share with us if you can really make any competition... unless you are in the team of the botters...
Funny how people like to throw that excuse around against clans they never catch botting and that have never had a single ban for botting.
Maybe I don't see the different tags bot (although I do several times), but I do see people that detag for a few weeks to bot up and then gets taged again. What's the difference if they bot while taged or not?
And please don't tell me that seeing people from big clans having 1 live player and 8 chars on bot that auto targets and kills anything that the live player targets is fun to meet at sieges. Oh and no it isn't macro since they will rez the live player the same millisecond has he dies and do nothing when you attack them. If it was a macro then the player would tab over and attack with one of the remaining 8 chars, but what he does is buffing up as soon as he gets rezzed...
Is that what you call competition and fun? Cause I don't
complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
this is really, really old.
and not only is it pointless, it's annoying, arrogant, and condescending.
if you want to go on and on about how uber you are and how "pathetic" everyone else is, go post on blah, because you'll get no sympathy here, these are the boards for the noobs and legits, as everyone knows.
and yea it's possible to get to 85 legit, but it is also irrelevant these days HOW you got there, bot or not; the only thing that matters is that you are there and none of your "competition" is, therefore you are bored because they can't or won't "compete" with you. Yet you come here and complain about no competition! What do you want here, really? You want to encourage people to compete with you by posting here? Really?
This whole thread was about some lowbies complaining that they couldn't fight against ebayers and botters. My argument was then that not putting up competition had a bigger impact on the server status than clans botting and ebaying.
Sorry if I got the info wrong, but from watching the Seiges and from what I have been hearing in Hero shout, it looked as though TD and StripClub have allied up.
This whole thread was about some lowbies complaining that they couldn't fight against ebayers and botters. My argument was then that not putting up competition had a bigger impact on the server status than clans botting and ebaying.
I hit: miss miss 30dmg miss miss
I take damage: 2000dmg, 2300dmg, crit 5000k...lights out.
Yupp, fun fun fun...is that the kind of competition you are talking about? Since that is what we have at the moment.
I hit: miss miss 30dmg miss miss
I take damage: 2000dmg, 2300dmg, crit 5000k...lights out.
Yupp, fun fun fun...is that the kind of competition you are talking about? Since that is what we have at the moment.
because the people that are now 85 have always been 85? The playing field used to be pretty even back in C4, C5 between most pvp clans. Since then... one side started winning, and the other side simply gave up. The dominate clan continued to better themselves and push the envelope of XP (Duo IT Groups >>> MoS AOE/Pagans Darkness AOE/FOG AOE >>> HB parties >>> Tullys parties, Chim AOE/Green AOE >>> Tully's AOE). The lesser clans went into hiding with safe single target XP in horrible spots (anterooms, top MOS, catas).
The lack of competition allows the top players to continue to XP at high rates without being bothered. Just ask Karigan on Phoenix... who went from 82 about 2 months ago and is now 84 thanks to Tully's AOE, but I guess she is a botter too huh!?
I hate to say this, but it is the law of the jungle.... the strongest always survive. The same concept applies to countries, companies, jobs, etc etc etc. So, is not in Lineage 2 only.
However, I do not see anything wrong on that that dwarf is doing. I mean, you won't go anywhere with no goal, right? You have to have a goal in order to keep moving towards that goal. What else can I say? I once met someone like him that had a small clan with 101% legit people that used to work hard to get the clan to the level desired. Eventually, the same clan leader found himself cornered with no way to help his clannies and he started botting. Me and him used to go in a vendetta rampage killing bots from left to right and our karma never went down the 4 digits.... lol.. The person I used to respect because his ideals, and examples now turned into another more of the many 'cheaters' in this game. The rest is just history,..... so, yeah,,, is sad....!!!
because the people that are now 85 have always been 85? The playing field used to be pretty even back in C4, C5 between most pvp clans. Since then... one side started winning, and the other side simply gave up. The dominate clan continued to better themselves and push the envelope of XP (Duo IT Groups >>> MoS AOE/Pagans Darkness AOE/FOG AOE >>> HB parties >>> Tullys parties, Chim AOE/Green AOE >>> Tully's AOE). The lesser clans went into hiding with safe single target XP in horrible spots (anterooms, top MOS, catas).
The lack of competition allows the top players to continue to XP at high rates without being bothered. Just ask Karigan on Phoenix... who went from 82 about 2 months ago and is now 84 thanks to Tully's AOE, but I guess she is a botter too huh!?
All i saw during these years was that the sides that started to win all matches was full of e-bayers at the begining, then full of botters. With that they could enlarge the gap on gear power first then the gap with lvls. Im not saying that all players did that, but lets tell the truth. How many people you saw botting, then when grade change came they was already full geared with ++ weapons, then they joined the powerfull pvp side? if you say that you never saw that ill call you blind :). Most big pvp clans just don't care if theyr members botted or not, e-bayed or not, they just want the stronger players at theyr sides.
Actually The ****ed have a different problem. They have been complaining that the server was boring and no one would ever compete against them.
Some clans decided to give the lvl 85's some competition. TD had all the wards in TW, and they had lost all of them. So what do they do now that they finally have what they claimed they have wanted for so long. They quickly recruit another clan into their ally to kill off any chance of competition again, so that they can again complain again how boring it is that they have no competition.
LOL
If you are thinking enmity is a recruited clan it's not, that's just the clan that TD moved into since their leader(darktoy) got banned.
At tw all of Aden's wards were taken away from them, their enemies signed to siege aden the next day at seiges, so rather than let aden fall into enemy hands they signed enmity(TD alt clan at the time) to also attack aden. They crested aden with enmity, protected it from being recrested by anyone. Once seiges were over, they all detagged and moved into enmity.
People cheat to get to high level in a game trying to show people that they are special.
They use 3rd party target, radar, hide, zoom, autopot whatever to weigh it as much as possible in their favour...then complain that there is no competition.
Pathetic 12 year old mentality...but guess some never grow up.
Its just the same old BS from the same cheating SOPs.
All i saw during these years was that the sides that started to win all matches was full of e-bayers at the begining, then full of botters. With that they could enlarge the gap on gear power first then the gap with lvls. Im not saying that all players did that, but lets tell the truth. How many people you saw botting, then when grade change came they was already full geared with ++ weapons, then they joined the powerfull pvp side? if you say that you never saw that ill call you blind :). Most big pvp clans just don't care if theyr members botted or not, e-bayed or not, they just want the stronger players at theyr sides.
What did you do while you saw these people botting away? Probably nothing... but find a new spot to XP.
What did you do while you saw these people botting away? Probably nothing... but find a new spot to XP.
I did what i could, i reported, i petitioned, i went red many times till the day i saw people getting unbanned, high lvl botters protecting the other bot trains making me loose xp, patience and time, not couting on gear. Now i only grind on a new xp spot and wait till they get bored and leave.
What did you do while you saw these people botting away? Probably nothing... but find a new spot to XP.
I report every bot that bothers me. The ones that use the exp spot i want to go to, the ones the PK me for my spot (i wait till they go afk), the ones that I meet around and are from clans that are griefing us.
Regarding the lack of competition. ATM, Franz does have some competition, the main botters are fighting each other and it is pretty ballanced, Megabot managed to hold giran till 2 weeks ago, they lost it to the "greenzerg" as they put it, now got it back after a lot of fighting, while doing this, main botters also lost some castles to the non-aligned clans.
In Franz there is competition, yet there are bots everywhere and in the clans that compete at the top are almost only bots. So there goes the theory that lack of competiton makes ppl bot.
On the contrary, they bot because of competition. They want to be in the top clans out there that recruit only full epics, 85+ ppl unless they just lost their healer/BD/WC, whatever to ban or boredom. Same thing for legits, the more competition (PK at exp spot) the less exp legits get, so the gap increases.
There are more and more cryes in giran for support in "permanent party", now they dont look for 80+, just 78+, more and more bots quit because i havent heard of major bans lately.
You are bored as hell because without PvP your game is just nothing. I understand your need, however I try to convince the legits in Franz that engaging in PvP with the bots will make their members bot (they kick every week 4-5 ppl for it) or quit (that also happens even tho some ppl return from time to time).
And yes, you cant be level 85 if you did not bot/were in a bot party/bot clan. And I know what I am talking about.
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If a clan can make 10-20billions, if not more, worth of items every week from raiding and getting items that aren't even available on any market and who can exp freely in places such as tullys aoeing and effectively being able to get 10% at level 85 in just a few hours; how is it even reasonable to accuse them of ebaying and botting? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to accuse the people who did not have all this of doing those very things?
i dont know you or your clan. but i know ppl who are like that....on phoenix is a titan like this. botted up like hell (every1 knows that) and when hit 83+ he started aoe in HB live with half of his clan boxed (even his banned leader)
and thats how most of that uber ppl do it. i dont care at all, but i think most funny thing is when former legit ppl join such clans. they lvl up in peace their whole time, then joining a powerhouse clan with tons of bots, and still play the legit card. if u get advantages from a bot clan, u are part of it, thats the point. u cant say i do epics/sieges the legit way, when 50 or 90% of your clan only reached their strength with botting.
i'm far away from getting angry about that, but it amuses me, how that many so called legits keep their eyes closed abou whats going on in their new clans.
People cheat to get to high level in a game trying to show people that they are special.
They use 3rd party target, radar, hide, zoom, autopot whatever to weigh it as much as possible in their favour...then complain that there is no competition.
Pathetic 12 year old mentality...but guess some never grow up.
Its just the same old BS from the same cheating SOPs.
because the people that are now 85 have always been 85? The playing field used to be pretty even back in C4, C5 between most pvp clans. Since then... one side started
...botting. Then some other sides joined the botfest.
The lack of competition allows the top players to continue to XP at high rates without being bothered. Just ask Karigan on Phoenix... who went from 82 about 2 months ago and is now 84 thanks to Tully's AOE, but I guess she is a botter too huh!?
Karigan, on Phoenix, "lack of competition"? Is the server owned by Legion or what? :rolleyes:
What are you talking about? How does that have anything to do with me saying that not putting up a competition is only making the gap larger with time. Much more so than ebaying and botting. So instead of people complaining about what others do they gotta realize that they themselves are the reason why they can never win.
They can't put up "competition" when they hit you for 300 damage and you hit them for 3000, WHY is it so HARD to understand this. The only way to give you this competition you want so bad is to ebay and bot and SO SORRY but not everyone is going to join that rat race just so they can keep you entertained.
Because you have a high level in a computer game that makes you an Adult? I got news for you, the adults who play this game work full time and have families and don't have time to no life it to 85 just to please you. Yet you have the nerve to come here and blame everyone else.
Honestly, it isn't anyone's fault, it's just the way things are.
btw the best thing we have as legit is when we kill cheaters and they start to cry and say they'll come back with more force.
we've kicked their a-.-es some times at HB and in castle siege.
So funny to see them start to trashtalk :)
btw the best thing we have as legit is when we kill cheaters and they start to cry and say they'll come back with more force.
we've kicked their a-.-es some times at HB and in castle siege.
So funny to see them start to trashtalk :)
Indeed :P
As i said in another post, when bots complain about numbers after losing castle, then it really makes my day. 140:40 ? That really means they PKed too much and ****** too many ppl taking their spots or something.
In the day they lost Shuttgart, I was there waiting to start siege and earn fame when some bot came and tried to provoke flagging. I told it I am not interested in PvP with bots but kept trying till in the end PKed my chars.
I dont say we really mattered in the fight that time, but tried our best and killed the red too, in the end they lost castle even with some fusion heroes fighting for them. After that changed sides to GF but still the GF heroes didnt manage to win it back for them, even managed to lose more important castles to fusion because they were involved in fights elsewhere.
There are nice bots that mind their business fighting other bots and keeping contact and friends in the smaller/legit clans and failed bots that cannot really fight other bots and come here to lecture legits why they dont fight them or pk to provoke in game.
If you are high level and a "pwnz0r", go and prove it fighting other cheaters, leave us alone with our game. Really, if bots would fight only bots and leave us in our spots if we came there before, I would not really care about them, we play 2 different games that happen to be in the same server, there are very little benefits from combining them, much more if we keep them separate.
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To not completely go to bot topic and stick to original one.
Yes many people never will be Hero, yes many people never be CL on Rune.
I'm playing since 2005 and I'm still below 80.. and you know I REALLY don't care!
I know there are 85/80/80 I know, sometimes I met them during fights.
Yes I'm pathetic against them.
But one what I learned - those who bot to get Hero and be PWNZALL they are get bored very fast, sell account, leave or/and get banned.
They miss in game fun of relation between people in clan, they miss even chat with enemy after battle (most cases you know enemies because during years you know most ppl - even enemies ). They miss enjoy from getting some items ... they miss maaany things.
All those things you can get even in that lvl 3 clan with 15 ppl. We keep play with legit people, we get lvl 9, we lucky get CH in Rune, we almost get Aden last siege(!), and we still enjoy game and relation between people. Yes we don't go Anthy, we can't kill Beleth... but maybe we do it a bit later without 85/80/80/80 :)
I don't see what is the use of this discussion. It is made at least 50 times already.
So far there is just one single rule in the game:
Everyone who is not banned is legit.
The english say: If at 9'00 in the morning someone rings the doorbell it may be the queen suddenly deciding to pay a visit. But most probably it is not the queen but the postman.
It is the same with the game - a player who is 85/80/80 could have played 24/7 AOE for 6 months... and as long as he is not banned it is true. Period.
I don't see what is the use of this discussion. It is made at least 50 times already.
So far there is just one single rule in the game:
Everyone who is not banned is legit.
The english say: If at 9'00 in the morning someone rings the doorbell it may be the queen suddenly deciding to pay a visit. But most probably it is not the queen but the postman.
It is the same with the game - a player who is 85/80/80 could have played 24/7 AOE for 6 months... and as long as he is not banned it is true. Period.
So someone that has commited 10 murders with over 100 live vitneses and a few 100k live on TV seeing him do it makes him not guilty until he goes to jail? is that what you claim?
So someone that has commited 10 murders with over 100 live vitneses and a few 100k live on TV seeing him do it makes him not guilty until he goes to jail? is that what you claim?
So someone that has commited 10 murders with over 100 live vitneses and a few 100k live on TV seeing him do it makes him not guilty until he goes to jail? is that what you claim?
More like "innocent until executed". But anyway, this is not the court of law. If I see a bot, it could of course be Her Majesty. But most probably it's just a bot, period.
Only last night one notorious PK which castle we helped take one month ago and helped keep ever since was complaining about our 140 to 40 "zerg"... That really made my day, gave a sense of accomplishment, they had heroes on their side, havent seen many below S80, we hardy had any s80, big majority A grade and even below, it proves that PK no longer scare ppl into hiding, i just tell our ppl if bot pk you to take your place just go back and call his enemies + keep on watching for the time he is AFK and report.
what you write there reminds me of my old clan RDogs on Kain, we were one of the strongest single clan on the server in C4. most of us had played since begining of L2 or atleast c1-c2. we were allied with 1 more clan at that time but we broke with them in C4 and later same week we defended Giran with about 40vs140 although, in our case we won :D
but as ppl started hitting the max level the other guilds started to catch up and banded togheter forcing us to seek an ally too, to be competetive. unfortunately, atleast imo, the only clan that had about same mentality as us (fun exciting PvP, not to WIN but good even fights, rather facing overwhelming numbers then have them) in game were a clan that used bots to a high degree and later ppl in my clan started to us it too. this killed much of the fun for me personally, as before our vent/clan chat had always been alive with ppl chatting away while grinding but now had almost became dead cause everyone went afk while letting their bot grind. i still managed to keep leveling thanks to a good friend and the use of polearm AoE.
*sniff* i still remember the time we defended Aden with, i think it was, LoK. we had 1 side each. this was while Darkside and URnB was strong on Kain. darkside attacked 1 side and URnB the other, oh and its not word perfect. we were some 60-70ppl vs 120 or so
Vent:
(tirzah our CL)- hows it going?
(LoKs CL) -- were killing them like flies.
10 sec later
-- umm were dead.
- what, what happend?
-- a bishop of theirs managed to get of an ally ress for them, 80ppl standing up right on top of us....
More like "innocent until executed". But anyway, this is not the court of law. If I see a bot, it could of course be Her Majesty. But most probably it's just a bot, period.
Actually this is a court of law. It would not be difficult to bring a banning into litigation, because everytime you click "I Agree" to the EULA you are entering into a contract with NCSoft.
If your account was banned, and they expressly said it was do to 3rd party program usage, and you can prove without a shadow of a doubt you were not, they would lose the lawsuit. I am not a lawyer... but pretty sure the second they give you a reason for banning they waive their right to terminate service without cause.
Not to mention GMs also have to answer to Internal/External auditors and the accounting department.
I still find this thread amusing, only place in hb thats been botted on bartz is green spot by some farmers and they didn't last long, maybe a few hours at most during the night but anytime people were online they would be pk'd and trained. We go to pk any enemy that we see in hb even if we have to chase them into the nasty labyrinth, there is no way that any clan should be able to bot in hellbound at all with even the slightest competition. Even us who are supposed to be the big bad level 85s get attacked in hellbound if we have any kind of weaker party going or if enemies feel brave cause of having some strong parties. Of course they will have a pvp party going after them quick enough but they should always be able to kill any botters they find before getting killed themselves.
If people are serious when they accuse people botting in hellbound then it is them that should be ashamed for not constantly going there to kill the botters.
Doesn't change the fact that with competition they shouldn't be able to hunt more than a few minutes without getting attacked, not to mention several hours afk.
And yeah, 10% at 85, pulling all 4 rooms on tullys 2f ever 3minutes for a few hours will do it. 0.14% a pull in a duo, even with some downtime and more people in party its an easy 1.5% an hour. I guess someone could try doing that with a botprogram, but good luck ~~
I still find this thread amusing, only place in hb thats been botted on bartz is green spot by some farmers and they didn't last long, maybe a few hours at most during the night but anytime people were online they would be pk'd and trained. We go to pk any enemy that we see in hb even if we have to chase them into the nasty labyrinth, there is no way that any clan should be able to bot in hellbound at all with even the slightest competition. Even us who are supposed to be the big bad level 85s get attacked in hellbound if we have any kind of weaker party going or if enemies feel brave cause of having some strong parties. Of course they will have a pvp party going after them quick enough but they should always be able to kill any botters they find before getting killed themselves.
If people are serious when they accuse people botting in hellbound then it is them that should be ashamed for not constantly going there to kill the botters.
let people emo cause they cant even hit 79 properly imo
Actually this is a court of law. It would not be difficult to bring a banning into litigation, because everytime you click "I Agree" to the EULA you are entering into a contract with NCSoft.
That would be another statement: "Everyone who is banned is unlegit". It has nothing to do with a bot being a bot even if it's not yet banned by NCsoft.
As a side note, it wouldn't be NCsoft if they didn't screw everyone here. The EULA states:
Your use of Lineage II constitutes your agreement to all such terms and conditions and your agreement to comply with the Rules of Conduct. To confirm your agreement, you must click on the "I Accept" button at the end of this Agreement. If you do not so agree, you must click on the "I Reject" button at the end of this Agreement, in which case you reject the offered terms of use and will not be permitted to play Lineage II.
However, there is no "I Accept" and "I Reject" buttons. There are "Agree" and "Disagree" buttons instead. :rolleyes:
If your account was banned, and they expressly said it was do to 3rd party program usage, and you can prove without a shadow of a doubt you were not, they would lose the lawsuit. I am not a lawyer... but pretty sure the second they give you a reason for banning they waive their right to terminate service without cause.
There's nothing in EULA binding NCsoft to accept that a cause of service termination stated to you once by some NCsoft employee is their true and final cause of your account termination. So... gl with the court.
Not to mention GMs also have to answer to Internal/External auditors and the accounting department.
That's another story.
all Tully live exp excuses are cool ... why i seen many of bartz top ppl bot in cata pre 80 or subs ??? if somone bot till 78 (and bot subs) - later leech till 83 and at 83 starts legit exp he is still BOTTER... amen
Many ppl from chromatic SM train are now hero - they was unttaged 1 year ago and more... now they are pr0 hero with 100% feed
all Tully live exp excuses are cool ... why i seen many of bartz top ppl bot in cata pre 80 or subs ??? if somone bot till 78 (and bot subs) - later leech till 83 and at 83 starts legit exp he is still BOTTER... amen
Many ppl from chromatic SM train are now hero - they was unttaged 1 year ago and more... now they are pr0 hero with 100% feed