seriously why there is no sws in server...are they so hard to level?
in clan -no in alliance -no, when i have 8-people rb party each differemt clan we all spam for sws in alliance and clan too no....
are they boring?
are they hard to level?-how can they be?all those songs...pretty useful
question...they have tanking abilities?
sws have no attack abilities, just autoattack. no fatal strike, no bleed, nothing.
sws have the poorest stats sans songs of any class in game.
they are the hardest class to level, and have the least useful songs post 60. people have level 60 sws boxes that they use for sing and kick, because of their uselessness for participation in any activity post level 60.
Spudnik is totally right.
Sing and auto attack/sit for pve. Sing and agro/root for pvp.
Ok, there are some debuff songs, but not much :)
Thats all what can do live sws. BDs at least have hex and sting.
i love BD in catacombs :P anyway..u know just
when u rb u want to have all the possible help/buffs and the few times we find SWS we have great success
thats why i was wondering they are so heard to be found
i love BD in catacombs :P anyway..u know just
when u rb u want to have all the possible help/buffs and the few times we find SWS we have great success
thats why i was wondering they are so heard to be found
Yes, they are rare. Just because:
- they lack of offence and peoples find out it is boring to grind solo. I would compare SWS grinding similar to Paladin. But also SWS is not good at defense as pure tank.
- they can do very little at end game pvp.
But you know, it is all about people feelings about that class. I believe that it is good class even for solo (with GWolf for example). They can distract enemies by agroing them, root some, or to use psycho or other songs. Also if you are in ok clan you will be invited to party in 5 minutes just after login.
One way i find it's quite boring is going the tank route. Boring, slow, and counter productive in the long run.
Leaving the SwS with stock stats i found to be just as horrible, it was just to slow.
Setup a SWS with as pure DD mode as possible, and the sucker can solo very effectively. I've a lvl 78 BD and i've played MANY classes, and i just enjoy the assistant classes with songs, to many people don't play thier class very well, specially as sws or bd's.... It's quite irritating for everyone and i find it's more common with SwS's that they don't sing/dance when they should, their mp, go afk, figure they are tanks...etc.
Sws @ lvl 77/78/79 are extremely useful... renewal,meditation and other such dances are crazy awesome
Actually quite frequently i'm seeing that there are more SWS songs being put up then BD dances... which pre 77/78/79, and for that matter, since basically lvl 58, bd's have always been putting up more dances.
one someone that told about pvp...i think all buffers are needed adn plus the song of silence rocks....in teon arena there was a sws and i on destro and we casted the song of silence,,,the other 4 guys were done for it
I love my SwS and how critical their songs are in both PvE and PvP. Sure the SwS's themselves may not do much in end game PvP, but take an equal-strength group and have one with he SwS and one without, and I'll put all my eggs on the group with the SwS. Their songs are fundamental.
A stacked sword singer is a relatively good DD. They have the defensive songs to keep parties alive generally anywhere plus few people target sws in pvp because they wear heavy armour meaning they can +4 str -4 con +4 dex -4 con and still be amazingly useful.
The only reason people don't play sws is because its not as 'exciting' to play as dagger/archer/titan/gk/etc. But a high lvl sws w/ good enchants on song of silence/root can be dangerous because they are under estimated in pvp. Plus, once they get 83, song of purification is amazing for healers.
a grade Sws sub, using a dagger with focus seems to be fine for dealing damage, with buffs works better, but kills fine on self buff alone.
i wasn't sure how to use the tattoos, so i sort of split it down the middle.
+3str-3 dex
+2str-2 con
we have enough dex that -3 is afordable in my opinion, -2 con because i didn't want to kill my hp all together.
was thinking -4 intel+4wit, but i haven't gotten around to my third tattoo.
weapons +4Kesh*Kesh, +4BO Focus, +4Tal Glaive(noSA)
i consider being able to solo fine, with tools like Arrest and Sword Symphony can deal with multiple mobs at once no problem.
i know a lot of people with sword singer subs.
BD is also popular.
was in a party a week or so ago.
we had a BD and Sws, both of which were Orc mystics :)
A stacked sword singer is a relatively good DD. They have the defensive songs to keep parties alive generally anywhere plus few people target sws in pvp because they wear heavy armour meaning they can +4 str -4 con +4 dex -4 con and still be amazingly useful.
The only reason people don't play sws is because its not as 'exciting' to play as dagger/archer/titan/gk/etc. But a high lvl sws w/ good enchants on song of silence/root can be dangerous because they are under estimated in pvp. Plus, once they get 83, song of purification is amazing for healers.
How do you underestimate an SWS in PvP?
It's hard to die to one, and a stacked anything should not have issues with most other classes they overgear by a decent margin. I've seen prophets out ganking people, and they do less damage and have less defense/run speed DPS than an SWS.
it all depends on how you play your class and how mush effort one dedicates to it, suffice to say a SwM can go toe to toe with most stacked chars if it's equally stacked and has a lot of warrior pots as due to our armor mastery & basic mdef passives we can soak up a lot of damage..
just because it's rare to encounter a stacked SwM that actually knows how to pvp doesn't mean they do not exist nor that they're easy to ignore..
sure sws are not main dd's or uber leet 1 shot wonders but to say they can't kill ppl well I got 1.6k pvps on my sws and those are not from fighting lowbies or crp transfer
I think the only reason anyone would play a sws is to be needed in end game pve/pvp/raids. I've started up my sub one this week again. I put amazing buffers behind him and he does great damage. pp/se/bd. Even with a Plated Leather and a Kesh/Focus, he has 300 crit rate and crits for 2500+ with pow (lv 55). I should probably use pof for the crit damage instead.
I played sws four years ago. They never were awesome like BD's were in the day. But it was still fun. But groups only need one sws, and if that spot is filled, you're left to solo. That's why I quit mine. Too many people fotm subbed them and I didn't get party. I'll just farm AA and see how it goes.
for pvp... probably pick yo a sword and shield, and a bow.
i don't know about the sword and shield... but defensive quality for close quarters strikes me as a useful thing...
the bow is just great for sws in pvp.
not too close, support the tank and dds without becoming main target.
meh, i don't know, just going based on experience.
only Sws ever beat me was using a bow.
and i've lost to a few of em... and they all had bows :)
s80 armor, any tats. Enchanted songs. And whichever weapon you like best, since you can sing with anything. Just stick with the gear they have masteries for unless you have money to experiment.
Level 85
+6 Moirai Heavy, 120/120/120 each piece
+6 Elegia Heavy 120/120/120 each piece
Anthy
Freya
Zaken
Baium
AQ
300 Eternal Core Sword w/Focus
300 Recurve Thorne Bow w/Focus
300 Mamba Edge w/Haste and pvp'd
+30 Song of Vit - Time
+15 Champ - Cost
+15 Renewal - Cost
+15 Med - Cost
+15 Song of Element - Time
+15 Windstorm - Cost
+30 Hunter - Cost
+30 Wind - Cost
+30 Warding - Cost
+30 Earth - Cost
a sws with ridiculously oed songs can put up all their songs, the songs and dances are like another 22 buff slot. I doubt thats useless in pvp. thats 2 row of 22 slot of buffs. and such sws are also rare and unlikely for the other guy to have so it makes a difference
a sws with ridiculously oed songs can put up all their songs, the songs and dances are like another 22 buff slot. I doubt thats useless in pvp. thats 2 row of 22 slot of buffs. and such sws are also rare and unlikely for the other guy to have so it makes a difference
a sws with ridiculously oed songs can put up all their songs, the songs and dances are like another 22 buff slot. I doubt thats useless in pvp. thats 2 row of 22 slot of buffs. and such sws are also rare and unlikely for the other guy to have so it makes a difference
Level 85
+6 Moirai Heavy, 120/120/120 each piece
+6 Elegia Heavy 120/120/120 each piece
Anthy
Freya
Zaken
Baium
AQ
300 Eternal Core Sword w/Focus
300 Recurve Thorne Bow w/Focus
300 Mamba Edge w/Haste and pvp'd
+30 Song of Vit - Time
+15 Champ - Cost
+15 Renewal - Cost
+15 Med - Cost
+15 Song of Element - Time
+15 Windstorm - Cost
+30 Hunter - Cost
+30 Wind - Cost
+30 Warding - Cost
+30 Earth - Cost
The problem like people have stated is all an sws does is sing then hit,and songs
are defence and one crit not like bd that gets three good ones.Then comes
the fact,like you don't get a group if one sws in group vs. two bd's okay cause
they can do five dances together or one do sting/hex.
both BDs and SWSs are now being boxed or made useless aside from having dances/songs for the remainder of the party..
it's getting to the point that SE's are actually being placed FAR more often because they have much more powerful ACTIVE requirements and skills..... dance/hit.... no other skills to use realy... even in pvp situations..
Least with a SWS.. it has far better survivability and better PVP songs imo. Considering i'm playing both classes actively... my much much lower SWS is better able to PVP then my much higher and better equiped BD... both have the same tatics pretty puch too... so there isn't any way i'm playing either differently aside from the fact that besides trying to slow someone with my sws.. my bd has hex... both trying to root which so far has had 0% success rate in oly or pvp when it's needed...