i bet i have done the daytime zaken 35 times atleast..and have not seen one epic drop..mostly just crap mats ...except one time droping a tallum blade..now i have made sure all the toons used are 55-62 so as to not nerf the drops ---always getting overhits and still after 35+ times not one epic drop ???i think it's safe to say ncsoft made a boo boo on the drop rate and have not taken the time to fix it...perhaps a gm can take the time to comment and perhaps give us a drop rate on daytime and nighttime zaken ...from what i hear daytime is close to 15% (which is a big lie) and nighttime is 80%
i bet i have done the daytime zaken 35 times atleast..and have not seen one epic drop..mostly just crap mats ...except one time droping a tallum blade..now i have made sure all the toons used are 55-62 so as to not nerf the drops ---always getting overhits and still after 35+ times not one epic drop ???i think it's safe to say ncsoft made a boo boo on the drop rate and have not taken the time to fix it...perhaps a gm can take the time to comment and perhaps give us a drop rate on daytime and nighttime zaken ...from what i hear daytime is close to 15% (which is a big lie) and nighttime is 80%
The Zaken instance is a joke to do, so the drop rate is complete crap and should stay that way.
the nighttime instance is pretty much impossible due to so few people available to do it. It's almost difficult enough to find people the proper levels even outside a rather large alliance to get a single party of 9 together, let alone the minimum of 5, and then from what i've seen and did research on, doing zaken at nightime with 5 parties apparently is one of the most difficult raids among them all now.
So, Zaken daytime NEEDS to have it's drop rate FIXED, i've done daytime a good number of time as if we don't get a EAA it's usually a ton of elemental sword blades. Last few times i've seen only a single rudolph cake drop.
This is completely BS, after so many attempts, nothing worth mentioning, not even the suggested other drops have occured, what'd they do set them to 1 in a million. I've only heard of Teon getting 1 drop atm.
There has been no new zaken earings floating around in the market either. So instead of dropping in value, They've started increasing.
the nighttime instance is pretty much impossible due to so few people available to do it. It's almost difficult enough to find people the proper levels even outside a rather large alliance to get a single party of 9 together, let alone the minimum of 5, and then from what i've seen and did research on, doing zaken at nightime with 5 parties apparently is one of the most difficult raids among them all now.
So, Zaken daytime NEEDS to have it's drop rate FIXED, i've done daytime a good number of time as if we don't get a EAA it's usually a ton of elemental sword blades. Last few times i've seen only a single rudolph cake drop.
This is completely BS, after so many attempts, nothing worth mentioning, not even the suggested other drops have occured, what'd they do set them to 1 in a million. I've only heard of Teon getting 1 drop atm.
There has been no new zaken earings floating around in the market either. So instead of dropping in value, They've started increasing.
it's more like 8 or 9 partys for night time zaken not 5 ..and i'm still waiting for a gm to give us some imput that is helpful ....
it's more like 8 or 9 partys for night time zaken not 5 ..and i'm still waiting for a gm to give us some imput that is helpful ....
in the 6 year history of Lineage2, NO GM HAS EVER PROVIDED HELPFUL INSIGHT TO ANY PLAYER ON ANY MATTER
i challenge you to go through the questions/suggestions forum and see for yourself, NEVER has any GM answered a question with an answer, nor taken a suggestion and given insight.
I ll just sit over here and laugh at those geniouses that were selling their Zakens half price thinking it would be dirt cheap once the update went live :)
Anyways, daytime drops it fine, I picked one up myself and been in a party where it dropped a second time, maybe I m just lucky or whatever but ... it drops. And it's ridiculously easy to do, IMO they should keep the drop rate to around 1 earring/week or so.
somebody needs to go to korea and softly whisper in ncsoft's ear that if the entire population of Aria or Sayha or Luna logged in, irrespective of levels, they couldn't make 50 parties :p
somebody needs to go to korea and softly whisper in ncsoft's ear that if the entire population of Aria or Sayha or Luna logged in, irrespective of levels, they couldn't make 50 parties :p
could you image 450 people crawling over zaken?
I mean seeing 100 people is pretty crazy moving as one around various places.
but 450..... zaken.... that's nuts.
Worst yet is drop splits..... and the sheer amount of energy and effort spent. There would be more time involved creating the command channel then the bloody raid...
DCs and crashes aside ..... that's a nightmare and a half...
The will to actually raid Zaken hit almost zero value as far as my clan is concerned. We did the instance like 4-6x per wek, not anymore.
Now that I hear that oooh there has been 1 drop on the most populated server at least I know that it actually drops and this is not a canadian joke. Motivation is still down in the drain tho, before I read this topic I never heard of anyone getting the drop.
Im not saying I want a drop every / every other time we do it, but doin it 30x and nothing? Man.
But I suppose if the prev. Zaken dropped once a week, the instance one should too ..
actually for the non instanced zaken... it could be easily done by 2 parties, usually a wackload of nukers with proper supports.... 2 identical groups could walk in and do very well.
i just dont understand ncsoft mentality. lets make a instance raid that needs 8 grps when the only clans that can make that amount of grps are all Sgrd/s80 +. I have yet to see 8 grps of 60s anywhere in game. plz make sense ncsoft. and AQ? Wat lvl 40 clans raid that? Both Ant Queen and Zakens level should be raised to 76+
lets make a instance raid that needs 8 grps when the only clans that can make that amount of grps are all Sgrd/s80 +.
You think S80+ players can't have any lvl 60+ subclasses or alts?
I have yet to see 8 grps of 60s anywhere in game. Wat lvl 40 clans raid that? Both Ant Queen and Zakens level should be raised to 76+
Guess what, the game does not entirely revolve around the so-called top clans. I bet there also are quite a few mid-size clans out there that could form a proper raid force for the aforementioned bosses... if they were organized enough.
i just dont understand ncsoft mentality. lets make a instance raid that needs 8 grps when the only clans that can make that amount of grps are all Sgrd/s80 +. I have yet to see 8 grps of 60s anywhere in game.
Maybe you aren't playing the game how it's supposed to be played?
It's simply not designed for NCNA servers but for Korea servers where population is x5 at least but ofc NCNA can't change the game for our servers so all we can do is qq bout it....
If AQ is important to your clan have 20 of your members spend 2 afternoons making lvl 48 Sorc alts and deleveling them back to 40.
Similarly for Zaken, if it's important to you make alts.
AQ is still done by farmers, so IMO there will be enough supply for a while. Zaken IMO will get rarer, farmers can't do it anymore (efficiently I mean) and those that go to the trouble of doing daytime will likely keep the earring.
You don't even need to lv and dlv the sorcs, get Cov/dances/songs oop and it will be down b4 dances/songs are off. Mb just tank might be deleveled, would be easier :P
I am still baffled as to why this theory started to become commonplace.
Level difference between the toon and the mob is all that matters, skill learn level doesn't factor into the equation at all.
after repeatedly getting zero drops every single time over and over again for months on end and then suddenly booting anyone that was dlvled with higher skills resulted in repeatedly getting drops..... the suggestion that skills are suddenly factored in does raise a few ideas.
after repeatedly getting zero drops every single time over and over again for months on end and then suddenly booting anyone that was dlvled with higher skills resulted in repeatedly getting drops..... the suggestion that skills are suddenly factored in does raise a few ideas.
That's a myth, both my clan's AQ sorc parties are 52s deleveled to 44, never had any problems with drops.
My question which will not get answered but anyways is why this earring is called an epic nowdays!!??
When zaken was introduced cause of the lack of gear that days and cause of our ignorance mostly, it was kind of hard to kill it and was an epic battle between a clan or ally vs zaken!! so it was actualy an epic jewel which for someone to obtain a clan/ally should give their best efforts!
Times passed and the gear of the players evolved so much way less ppl needed to kill zaken but the competition for the earring made big clans/allies fight each other or fight farmers in order to get the chance to raid zaken! so the process of obtaining the earring from zaken included an epic pvp fight!
Now zaken is an instance the day time is just a joke (but the chance of dropping it exists rarely though) and as for nighttime it asks just to many people to take part in it yet we still dont know if nighttime zaken has a good chance of dropping it! ( i want to think that nighttime has 50-100% cause any other chance is just lol for 8 parties to gather)
So nowdays the epicness of this earring is on day time your (censored) luck in order to drop it and on night i guess the pills that the coordinator of the command channel should take in order to be able to stay cool and drive these 8 parties!
Please make daytime zaken 10 time harder so only well prepered parties can handle him and increase the chance lets say to 5-10%! Or make nighttime zaken been able to be accessed by lets say 3-4 parties!!
I mean seeing 100 people is pretty crazy moving as one around various places.
but 450..... zaken.... that's nuts.
Worst yet is drop splits..... and the sheer amount of energy and effort spent. There would be more time involved creating the command channel then the bloody raid...
DCs and crashes aside ..... that's a nightmare and a half...
You think S80+ players can't have any lvl 60+ subclasses or alts?
Guess what, the game does not entirely revolve around the so-called top clans. I bet there also are quite a few mid-size clans out there that could form a proper raid force for the aforementioned bosses... if they were organized enough.
a. no all their subs are 75+ at least for sub skills. That is the point of a sub for higher lvl players.
b. guess wat, the game in North America does...... show me one clan that brings 8 grps to Zaken that are all 60+. 1 clan. i bet u cant. u know why? because there is none.
lool ! Some tried to pvp, I guess most just tried to outdamage the other pt or CC to get the loot O,o lol But why didn't they pvp after they killed it :)
who needs 8 groups? Zaken can be done with as little as 5 people... you are nuts.
The thing is, when you do it in 1 party, he drops nothing. Period. Did it like 30x with my clan and we got squat. The 8-party instance is said to have a higher drop chance, but it's almost impossible to make 8 parties 55-62 .. that's the problem
b. guess wat, the game in North America does...... show me one clan that brings 8 grps to Zaken that are all 60+. 1 clan. i bet u cant.
Why should it be 1 clan?
a. no all their subs are 75+ at least for sub skills. That is the point of a sub for higher lvl players.
b. guess wat, the game in North America does...... show me one clan that brings 8 grps to Zaken that are all 60+. 1 clan. i bet u cant. u know why? because there is none.
if zaken earring becomes rare and people can't get them from farmers' stockpiles big clans will have to do it, as of now, it's not necessary. So nobody does it. But if they had to they would, any big clan has the gear and members to roll out 5-6 zaken groups within a week. Same as what happens with Baium .
if zaken earring becomes rare and people can't get them from farmers' stockpiles big clans will have to do it, as of now, it's not necessary. So nobody does it. But if they had to they would, any big clan has the gear and members to roll out 5-6 zaken groups within a week. Same as what happens with Baium .
what?
Among 3 fairly LARGE clans within an alliance, theres maybe 3 groups TOTAL, and that's scratching for people and throwing EVERYONE that might be the correct level irriguardless of proper class and if they are even geared.
That's messed up.
I think people are still refusing to acknowledge you need people that are lvl 55-62, preferrably Malee/DD, and it's best to have a WC/SWS/BD/Bishop or EE or SE just to start and making things proceed smoothly.
That's just for the daytime.
Nighttime, i'm still seeing pretty much zero reports on it in term of success, i've only seen nightmares as 8 groups pile into the sucker with majority of the groups being high lvl just to make up for the lack of 55-62's.
2 groups of the proper level with the 6 other high lvl groups for proceeding and cleaning up the crap of other mobs.
Get to zaken and watch the 2 groups drop like rocks.
I heard of one nightime zaken raid that didn't drop the earing and dropped basically the same thing as the daytime, and instead of taking between 5 and 15 minutes to complete, it took a little over an hour.
Among 3 fairly LARGE clans within an alliance, theres maybe 3 groups TOTAL, and that's scratching for people and throwing EVERYONE that might be the correct level irriguardless of proper class and if they are even geared.
That's messed up.
I think people are still refusing to acknowledge you need people that are lvl 55-62, preferrably Malee/DD, and it's best to have a WC/SWS/BD/Bishop or EE or SE just to start and making things proceed smoothly.
That's just for the daytime.
Nighttime, i'm still seeing pretty much zero reports on it in term of success, i've only seen nightmares as 8 groups pile into the sucker with majority of the groups being high lvl just to make up for the lack of 55-62's.
2 groups of the proper level with the 6 other high lvl groups for proceeding and cleaning up the crap of other mobs.
Get to zaken and watch the 2 groups drop like rocks.
I heard of one nightime zaken raid that didn't drop the earing and dropped basically the same thing as the daytime, and instead of taking between 5 and 15 minutes to complete, it took a little over an hour.
So....
as usual ... you missed the point. If a large clan wanted or needed to do night zaken cause their members don't have the earring they could roll 5-6 parties of new 61s for zaken within a week ... In case you 've missed it, 61 aint that hard if you have access to the buffs and gear any big clan has. Right now, big clans don't need to do it. They can sell a tezza and buy two zakens. When that changes or when the zaken stockpiles dry up we 'll see what happens.
medium/small clans that oddly enough are the people that need zaken can't do that cause they lack the gear and numbers.
They were supposed to make it easier for smaller clans to be able to get the earring for their members without having to buy it, I don't see in ANY way how they did that, atm it's as expensive as before the update in which they instanced zaken, now what was the point in all this? Prolly just to make noice so ppl fall for it ( hey instanced zaken, easy earrings ) so they would go and waste more time with this and in next chronicle they'll prolly say, we raised zaken's drop rate! Go try moar to get it! Just waste of ppls' hopes....
as usual ... you missed the point. If a large clan wanted or needed to do night zaken cause their members don't have the earring they could roll 5-6 parties of new 61s for zaken within a week ... In case you 've missed it, 61 aint that hard if you have access to the buffs and gear any big clan has. Right now, big clans don't need to do it. They can sell a tezza and buy two zakens. When that changes or when the zaken stockpiles dry up we 'll see what happens.
medium/small clans that oddly enough are the people that need zaken can't do that cause they lack the gear and numbers.
Your an idiot if you think all big clans are ripe full of zakens....
I do reside in a fairly considerable clan, with a relatively large alliance. Yes it doesn't take long. Unfortunate due to lack of populance and majority of the big players already having zakens, people just don't have any drive to do it....
The best solution is to change the zaken raid to be better suited.
I mean the whole idea of a lvl 60 raid dropping an S grade earing was stupid from the very start.
I remember the countless number of times before the changes way back when it was first introduced, doing zaken and seeing a relatively small stock pile of them in clan wh simply because very very few people were lvl 76+....
Now it's the complete reverse, lack of zakens availability and affordability.
The real question is, is Nighttime even doable with "only" 8 parties? Cause we didnt hear from any successful kill yet (neither NA nor Korean servers). Since the devs obviously smoked something really nasty you maybe need those 400 ppl to take him down durning the night :x
The real question is, is Nighttime even doable with "only" 8 parties? Cause we didnt hear from any successful kill yet (neither NA nor Korean servers). Since the devs obviously smoked something really nasty you maybe need those 400 ppl to take him down durning the night :x
For a 400 person raid it had better rain Zaken earrings when he dies lol