After Last days i am very disappointed about NCsoft politics against customers I am worry that Ncsoft go bad way last year…. They decisions are very Bad in my opinion . Last Teon actions show me that Ncsoft make unfair decision and does not judge people the same way that don’t make good company's image. Ncsoft make many things good I was always appreciated like ban bots etc that was very good actions which allowed don’t make differences between players who cheat ( use 3rc party software , bug using etc ) and players like me who don’t cheat play by hand without any bad actions I make only one mistake which I deeply regret but after and was say I will never start play this game one more … but last actions in Teon server show me that I that NCsoft make not fair decisions about my account last account I am very mad because I got Banned on one account and don’t get second chance like some people get they was use bugs to enchant skillz last time in Teon… and in my opinion I don’t make that crime like this cheaters who use bugs in game… They try get advantage in Olympiad games most off they are l 85 with 3rd subs most of they use cheats before (3rd party software ) all know about that . My main point is that people like me and other people who don’t cheat don’t have chance with fight in END GAME like pvp/ oly etc with people who cheat … they have high lvl toon what was create by 3rd party software . This Cheaters from one form big clan in teon get unbanned by Ncsoft they made +30/+15 skills so that is big cheat because destroy totally fair play enchanted skills give big advantage to them . NCsoft Unban they remove enchanted skills gie that cheater second change that they sholdnt get Fair Play is important in any game so in my opinion isnt fair to me I am sure … OK lets say about my account (vertigo2008) I get Banned for RMT reason I don’t get buy adena I just buy 15 days prepaid by adena from farmer to renew my account because was ends soon I make big mistake I know … main reason that I make is that I am student and that time don’t have money to buy prepaid from retailer seller . I never user 3rd part software buy adena , use bugs etc I just want play but don’t was have money to get suspension to play that game so go buy prepaid from farmer( I was make it only one time ) I know that was bad but I get big punishment for that what I did… And now people who cheat a lot get unbanned for more crime in my opinion that I was did … THAT IS TOTALLY NOT FAIR so I Ask Ncsoft to one more time check my situation and give me chance like some people get but they shouldnt get it I will be happy if I back to Lineage 2 community because that 9 mouths what I play I was meet very nice people and I was enjoy game a lot . Also I want ask here community what you think about that Facts what I presented I hope you understand me I hope also GMs will also understand me and give me second chance .
I would be very grateful if You could reply as soon as possible
well, if i have summarized your post properly i dont have an answer for you; legit players always have had the short end of the stick in L2 because the more time you spend killing mobs, the greater your character will be; spend that time as legit or not as you like.... nothing in the world is going to put you on track with someone who has logged more /played time than you.
i'm not too sure you were permanently banned either, as you can post. people who do not have paid time or are banned cannot post as they cannot log in. take a closer look at your email, i'm fairly certain you are on some sort of 7-day or such ban.
i'm not too sure you were permanently banned either, as you can post. people who do not have paid time or are banned cannot post as they cannot log in. take a closer look at your email, i'm fairly certain you are on some sort of 7-day or such ban.
I've known several people banned for trading adena for time cards to a farmer (NCSoft was watching farmer, banning anyone with any straight adena transaction). Their accounts were all permanently banned.
I've known several people banned for trading adena for time cards to a farmer (NCSoft was watching farmer, banning anyone with any straight adena transaction). Their accounts were all permanently banned.
not that i dont believe you, but this guy can still post.
banned accounts and accounts with expired time cannot log in let alone post.
well, if i have summarized your post properly i dont have an answer for you; legit players always have had the short end of the stick in L2 because the more time you spend killing mobs, the greater your character will be; spend that time as legit or not as you like.... nothing in the world is going to put you on track with someone who has logged more /played time than you.
i'm not too sure you were permanently banned either, as you can post. people who do not have paid time or are banned cannot post as they cannot log in. take a closer look at your email, i'm fairly certain you are on some sort of 7-day or such ban.
On teon one of the large clans used an exploit to max out their skill enchants and were banned. They managed to convince ncsoft somehow to give them a second chance. This guy got banned for giving some adena for a farmer for a 15 day time card and was banned and is refused a second chance.
So ncsoft choose to treat extremely minor rmt violations harsher than, what I can consider to be, a pretty blatant serious exploit. Now I guess it's good for them, I'm not saying they didnt deserve a second chance but I get where this guy is coming from and I have often felt the same way, that NCSofts priorities are way off whats reasonable and fair. Abusing an exploit blatantly in my mind is way more serious than buying and selling some adena which if anything should be the punishment to earn the slap on the fingers. At the very least fairness and consistency dictates that everyone is privy to some kind of second chance for serious violations. NCSoft just picking and choosing who to help and not is hardly professional or what people want from a support team.
1. There is little sympathy for the Devil in this world. There is even less sympathy for admitted cheaters.
2. NCSoft does not play favorites when it comes to enforcing the EULA or implementing the ban hammer. (It may seem like they're putting their head in the ground at times, but that's true of every authority since the dawn of time. Deal with it.)
3. The EULA does not make a distinction between "minor" cheating and "major" cheating. The punishment for both is the same. Cheating does not entitle you to ASSUME leniency of any kind, if caught.
4. If tempted to cheat, quitting the game and getting a REAL life is the best possible solution for you.
5. Getting caught and banned is the other best possible solution for you.
1. There is little sympathy for the Devil in this world. There is even less sympathy for admitted cheaters.
2. NCSoft does not play favorites when it comes to enforcing the EULA or implementing the ban hammer. (It may seem like they're putting their head in the ground at times, but that's true of every authority since the dawn of time. Deal with it.)
3. The EULA does not make a distinction between "minor" cheating and "major" cheating. The punishment for both is the same. Cheating does not entitle you to ASSUME leniency of any kind, if caught.
4. If tempted to cheat, quitting the game and getting a REAL life is the best possible solution for you.
5. Getting caught and banned is the other best possible solution for you.
Any questions? Good. Carry on.
The problem is, that some cheaters get unbanned and some not.
And whenever someone gets unbanned, it just happens that he is in one of major clans.
Conspiracy theory or... :>
Some clans with banned leader have new leader with NCsoft help..some clans cant have "helping hand" and they must start from begin.
Not long ago healing enemies Raid Boss or basic mobs was acceptable....and NCsoft not punished ppl..now they punish for it (if lots of crybabies petition) ..(dosnt matter its 3 7 days bann)
About scammed/hacked accounts - we all knows ppl who are scammed/hacked - some ppl have gear back, some not (i bet its all depends who from GM's answering on petiion/mail)..
NCsoft should learn from CCP company which allows players to buy game time cards using in game cash. I have not checked how it works nowadays but this mechanism is built into game to avoid scams. basically any player can purchase special in game certificates for real money (i think through account management) and then sell them inside the game to anyone for in game money, like any other in game item. The person who purchased it can use that to add time to their account. And that game still steadily grows in population even though it is about the same age as Lineage2.
So by this post you mean that everyone caught cheating or against the EULA would be given a second chance?
I think not. Everyone should know that NCSoft said that use of third party and RMT are not allowed. If you find some gamemechanic that is broken report it as soon as possible and don't use it as an exploit. This is the best way for NCSoft to keep the games clean and we don't have to face cheaters ingame who calls us things that are not nice because we don't cheat. :p
So by this post you mean that everyone caught cheating or against the EULA would be given a second chance?
I think not. Everyone should know that NCSoft said that use of third party and RMT are not allowed. If you find some gamemechanic that is broken report it as soon as possible and don't use it as an exploit. This is the best way for NCSoft to keep the games clean and we don't have to face cheaters ingame who calls us things that are not nice because we don't cheat. :p
The issue as I see is NCSofts inconsistency, only giving second chances and various help to some but not others.
The issue as I see is NCSofts inconsistency, only giving second chances and various help to some but not others.
yes,u got the point.
these guys cheated,used a bug and didn't report it themselves,they just used itand took advance from it,but,they just get 7 days ban,then,to ppl who just found one morning theyr account "banned" for being sat down doing nothing(me for example)just a perma ban and some auto-replys from petitions,that's where ncsoft fail...way too many legit people got unfair bans,and way too many unlegit peple are still plaing.
OK lets say about my account (vertigo2008) I get Banned for RMT reason I don’t get buy adena I just buy 15 days prepaid by adena from farmer to renew my account
There is your Fail right there.
Who in their right mind would give a farmer adena for a time card. lol
was the time card used part of the previous scam which was going round several months ago?
the one which involved stolen time cards or something like that?
i remember a lot of people being banned for buying time cards in game, i guess the warning about it has fallen off into the abyss of threads on these forums.
don't buy time cards in game because you don't know the official status of that time card. if the time card is being monitored, you will suffer penalty, if not then you should consider yourself lucky.
Not long ago healing enemies Raid Boss or basic mobs was acceptable....and NCsoft not punished ppl..now they punish for it (if lots of crybabies petition) ..(dosnt matter its 3 7 days bann)
?
Is it mean that heal Mini RB at Fort/Clan Hall Sieges is bannable?!
Com'n!
I haven't heard about it... even more I have seen MAAAANY time such way of defend ;)
Really, can't believe - If it's true I request GM response!
On teon one of the large clans used an exploit to max out their skill enchants and were banned. They managed to convince ncsoft somehow to give them a second chance. This guy got banned for giving some adena for a farmer for a 15 day time card and was banned and is refused a second chance.
So ncsoft choose to treat extremely minor rmt violations harsher than, what I can consider to be, a pretty blatant serious exploit. Now I guess it's good for them, I'm not saying they didnt deserve a second chance but I get where this guy is coming from and I have often felt the same way, that NCSofts priorities are way off whats reasonable and fair. Abusing an exploit blatantly in my mind is way more serious than buying and selling some adena which if anything should be the punishment to earn the slap on the fingers. At the very least fairness and consistency dictates that everyone is privy to some kind of second chance for serious violations. NCSoft just picking and choosing who to help and not is hardly professional or what people want from a support team.
I disagree with your conclusion.
In the OP's case, he was involved with an RMT issue (a choice he made). That is clearly one of "the big two" in terms of cheating.
RMT and botting. Although many things can be outside of the EULA and are actually considered cheating--there ARE variations.
You let a friend log your alt lvl 55 SE and dual box it is a EULA violation. Is that the same as ebaying adena or botting to most? Probably not.
In this now famous Teon issue, the players in this clan supposedly used an exploit--which is a glitch in the game. They didn't go outside of the game to gain advantage like the OP!!
Sorry, but I see both punishments as appropriate.
The OP went outside of the game but wants us all to know "it was because he was a poor student". Still, it was what it was and a perma-ban would have made sense.
The Teon clan did not go outside of the game--they found an exploit and used it. Certainly a violation of the EULA but one where the game's PROGRAM sets up the opportunity for the mistake.
Removing all advantage and making them start over seems more reasonable to me considering what they did.
In the OP's case, he was involved with an RMT issue (a choice he made). That is clearly one of "the big two" in terms of cheating.
RMT and botting. Although many things can be outside of the EULA and are actually considered cheating--there ARE variations.
You let a friend log your alt lvl 55 SE and dual box it is a EULA violation. Is that the same as ebaying adena or botting to most? Probably not.
In this now famous Teon issue, the players in this clan supposedly used an exploit--which is a glitch in the game. They didn't go outside of the game to gain advantage like the OP!!
Sorry, but I see both punishments as appropriate.
The OP went outside of the game but wants us all to know "it was because he was a poor student". Still, it was what it was and a perma-ban would have made sense.
The Teon clan did not go outside of the game--they found an exploit and used it. Certainly a violation of the EULA but one where the game's PROGRAM sets up the opportunity for the mistake.
Removing all advantage and making them start over seems more reasonable to me considering what they did.
as i wrote in the other topic,they removed nothing from them,nothing.(read other post,cos im not gonna write again what they got and lost)
and,that's not the real problem.
real problem is Balance,fairness,these guys are from one of the strongest clan on teon,they was using an exploit,but,they get just a 7 days ban,ok,but there are and there have been ppl who exploited too and got PERMA BAN,or they r still plaing the game.
same thing for bot and RMT.
(P.S: what about getting perma banned for being sat down doing nothing?cos that's what happened to me,and then i see cheaters getting 7 days ban rotflmao,call this fairness)
*Personal opinion: GOOD, ban all cheaters, permabans*
The OP tries to justify cheating (poor, one time, sorry....)
*Personal opinion: OP /FAIL. No justification for cheating. permaban is appropriate*
The OP says others cheated differently/worse
*Personal opinioin: Pure hearsay, we don't know if this is true or not. But it Does Not Matter if it is true or not. The OP cheated, the perma ban is deserved*
I Strongly Applaud NCSoft's current push against cheaters. Good Job!
*Personal opinion: GOOD, ban all cheaters, permabans*
The OP tries to justify cheating (poor, one time, sorry....)
*Personal opinion: OP /FAIL. No justification for cheating. permaban is appropriate*
The OP says others cheated differently/worse
*Personal opinioin: Pure hearsay, we don't know if this is true or not. But it Does Not Matter if it is true or not. The OP cheated, the perma ban is deserved*
I Strongly Applaud NCSoft's current push against cheaters. Good Job!
you sir,didn't understand anything,gz
they didn't get any ban,or better perma ban
just 7 days of ban,whic i wouldn't even call ban,and this is not the point anyway.
read the whole topic,or just don't post.
as i wrote in the other topic,they removed nothing from them,nothing.(read other post,cos im not gonna write again what they got and lost)
and,that's not the real problem.
real problem is Balance,fairness,these guys are from one of the strongest clan on teon,they was using an exploit,but,they get just a 7 days ban,ok,but there are and there have been ppl who exploited too and got PERMA BAN,or they r still plaing the game.
same thing for bot and RMT.
(P.S: what about getting perma banned for being sat down doing nothing?cos that's what happened to me,and then i see cheaters getting 7 days ban rotflmao,call this fairness)
Whoa there sport. It's not my job to convince you if NCSoft is or isn't being "fair" (whateverthehell fair is supposed to mean). "Fairness" is a ridiculous concept that pretty much means you want consideration but don't want anyone else to get considerations.
JUSTICE is the concept under discussion here. And I am not by any means Pro-NCSoft or some sort of apologist for the company.
I'm simply reviewing what the OP wrote, what was in various threads on the topic, and sharing my OWN opinion.
You can believe anything you want.
My only point is that I believe NCSoft CAN distinguish between offenses and decide different levels of punishment. That makes sense to me.
You don't have to agree. At the same time, derailing the thread and either expecting me to change my opinion or to only agree to your point is a lost cause for you. Neither will happen.
I'm not the guy you have to appeal too--I'm just a player.
I believe RMT and Botting is WORSE than sharing a buffer account. All are wrong according to the EULA. And if a player does ANY of them--they may suffer consequences according to NCSoft.
And here's the real point friend. I don't decide what consequence NCSoft attaches to "x" example of Eula violations (and neither do you). NCSoft does.
Is it okay for NCSoft to look at details and decide Player X gets a 7 day ban and loss of advantage gained AND for NCSoft to look at details to decide Player Y gets a perma-ban? Yes! It's their game.
Obviously I'd expect some consistency on their part--but even if they are abitrary and capricious in their application of consequence, that is their choice.
These posts ALL boil down to the same ridiculous argument! "Okay, I cheated....BUT, I only....blh, blh, blh.... I'm ticked off cause the OTHER GUY cheated and he only received....blh, blh, blh".
So back up a second--these folks all did RMT things, botted, used radar, used exploits, whatever. They are all guilty of something that includes EULA violations--and trying to argue the semantics of punishment. They are STILL guilty!
You drive 100 mph down the freeway that is posted 55 mph. The cop pulls you over & you get a ticket. In one state the penalty for this is $300.00. In another locality they call it "reckless driving" and you get 1 year probation, 6 points on your license, and a $500.00 fine.........you want to argue about which is relatively "more fair"?
My answer would be: "stop driving 100mph on the freeway, stupid!"
Hi
Ncsoft is good company but they do mistakes like anyone do sometimes. I was do one mistake I know that was do wrong but that was no cheating that is my main point of view I want just get prepaid to get game time but I was have bad financial situation in real life that time becouse I was study … so I get prepaid other way that official retailers. After ban I try expain Ncsoft in petition system my point view but they don’t understand it I call few times to Call Center don’t have get any answear… after some time fight to get my account back I give up . I was change game to Aion also nice Ncsoft product but I was little bored that game. So I was back to play l2 start all from zero. And now I get info that someone who use expoit in game to get advantage on other players get unbanned I was really go mad that was provoke me to post my opinion on official boards I hope that isnt bad…
Like I say before Ncsoft should care about customers on same level and punish them in same way. My situations shows that for Ncsoft more important are cheaters who destroy that game each year (using expoits and etc) that player who play normal ways without any cheats and make only one stupid mistake what don’t do big damage into game system and don’t give any advantage to others players . If I will be GM I will don’t make bad decisions and always I think care about each customer on same level get chances to people who don’t do big crimes in Game and permanent Ban people who destroy game by cheats.
LOL
,,Sorry, but I see both punishments as appropriate.’’
How can be appropriate cheaters what use exploits/bugs get unbanned me not for less crime who don’t have any damage in game system
Thank god that someone was petition for that people who use that bugs first reaction of Ncsoft was good banned all who use that cheats make investigation I am very appreciate …… but unban it later was big fail in my opinion and I think many of people who read that forum agree with that Give second chances to cheaters is bad destroy game community.
We need ask question that is important in that case
What if anyone will think and dont petition that cheaters they will share with that expoit /bug to others clan/ally mates all make + 15/+ 30 what give big advantage in mass pvp and siege for example…
And then they will win all mass pvp and siege and people who don’t cheat will be go mad becouse they cant competition with they in game ?? S o what fun with game for people who don’t cheat ?
I hope anyone from Ncsoft team read what I write and understand my anger …. And give one more chance…
Regards
ReactoR
Whoa there sport. It's not my job to convince you if NCSoft is or isn't being "fair" (whateverthehell fair is supposed to mean). "Fairness" is a ridiculous concept that pretty much means you want consideration but don't want anyone else to get considerations.
JUSTICE is the concept under discussion here. And I am not by any means Pro-NCSoft or some sort of apologist for the company.
I'm simply reviewing what the OP wrote, what was in various threads on the topic, and sharing my OWN opinion.
You can believe anything you want.
My only point is that I believe NCSoft CAN distinguish between offenses and decide different levels of punishment. That makes sense to me.
You don't have to agree. At the same time, derailing the thread and either expecting me to change my opinion or to only agree to your point is a lost cause for you. Neither will happen.
I'm not the guy you have to appeal too--I'm just a player.
I believe RMT and Botting is WORSE than sharing a buffer account. All are wrong according to the EULA. And if a player does ANY of them--they may suffer consequences according to NCSoft.
And here's the real point friend. I don't decide what consequence NCSoft attaches to "x" example of Eula violations (and neither do you). NCSoft does.
Is it okay for NCSoft to look at details and decide Player X gets a 7 day ban and loss of advantage gained AND for NCSoft to look at details to decide Player Y gets a perma-ban? Yes! It's their game.
Obviously I'd expect some consistency on their part--but even if they are abitrary and capricious in their application of consequence, that is their choice.
These posts ALL boil down to the same ridiculous argument! "Okay, I cheated....BUT, I only....blh, blh, blh.... I'm ticked off cause the OTHER GUY cheated and he only received....blh, blh, blh".
So back up a second--these folks all did RMT things, botted, used radar, used exploits, whatever. They are all guilty of something that includes EULA violations--and trying to argue the semantics of punishment. They are STILL guilty!
You drive 100 mph down the freeway that is posted 55 mph. The cop pulls you over & you get a ticket. In one state the penalty for this is $300.00. In another locality they call it "reckless driving" and you get 1 year probation, 6 points on your license, and a $500.00 fine.........you want to argue about which is relatively "more fair"?
My answer would be: "stop driving 100mph on the freeway, stupid!"
fair,fairness,justice,im italian,i donno the right word,but i guess u can understand anyway,but again,yes they can give different way of punishment,but the thing change if the punishment for the same violation is perma ban,or just 7 days,we talks about character,payed everymonth,and where ppl spent theyr time.
and comparing ncsoft's work with the cops....well,ofc different states has different rules,but here we r talking about ONE GAME,THE SAME,witht the same rules,and the punishment and the decisions about a violation(not different violations) should be the same for everyone one,if the bans depends on the GMs,well...if the gm likes ur name gives u a 7 days,if he doesnt like it,perma ban?wtf?
anyway,that's my opinion,some ppl will agree other won't,i don't care,i just hope ncsoft will try to fix theyr endless mistakes
User Bots upto 85 and then gets caught botting/exploiting
User: "But Its my First offense?! omg this is no unfair i never expected to get banned for cheating in a game where it clearly states the rules every time i login?!"
NCSoft: "Ah Alright Kiddo, looks like you've learnt your lesson, i'll unban your already maxed level unlegit char so you can play legit, even though of course you dont need to bot/exploit anymore because you have already done that... but hear me now when i say that was your last warning! take care :)"
...Yeah right... I can see why people need a second chance to go straight (when they dont need to cheat anymore).
User Bots upto 85 and then gets caught botting/exploiting
User: "But Its my First offense?! omg this is no unfair i never expected to get banned for cheating in a game where it clearly states the rules every time i login?!"
NCSoft: "Ah Alright Kiddo, looks like you've learnt your lesson, i'll unban your already maxed level unlegit char so you can play legit, even though of course you dont need to bot/exploit anymore because you have already done that... but hear me now when i say that was your last warning! take care :)"
...Yeah right... I can see why people need a second chance to go straight (when they dont need to cheat anymore).
infact to reach max lvl u need lots of months i guess,this means ncsoft let them bot,or dont do daily checks,this is ncsoft fault anyway
they should ban them when they bot for the first time,not after 4 months
the second chance thing would work :)
too bad 90% of the players bot,are high lvl,or as u said,max lvl,and they are not banned
So really we have 1 side of the story, ReactoR's. We don't know why exactly he was banned, NC's reasons, the proponderance of evidence, etc because they don't share that with either the person being banned or the public.
Everyone shouldn't jump to conclusions based on 1 side of a story or face value. And no one should assume that NC does the right thing every time because we've had 6 years of evidence to the contrary.
Should he be banned? I don't know, I don't work for NCSoft, as soon as they cut me a check and allow me access to account notes I'll let you know. :P Until then... If you did something wrong then what do you want anyone on the forums to do about the fact that you got caught?
Even if / who / what happend to the ITT guys on Teon is not important really, I can understand that you get upset when they get a slap on the wrist and you get banned.
( if what you say is correct) I can also understand a bad economical situation but everything aside..
You did RMT, or gametime in this situation and that is very much a bannable offence and you knew this when you did it.
I am playing with my friend Jim. Jim says to me "well tomorrow is my last day of L2. I can't afford to pay the monthly subscription."
I say "hey Jim i have a few bucks extra...i'll send it to you via PP and i'll pay for you cause the game just isn't the same without you."
A few days later I say "man i sure wish i had 50 million Adena so i could but those S grade gloves"
Jim says "np man i sold those Demon Splinters yesterday...i'm flush...i'll give you the Adena after all you did pay for my account last month"
Guess they should get banned for RMT.
All i'm trying to say is that it is not a Black and White world.
Not saying NC is right or wrong...just glad i don't have to interpert the rules.
To not keep everything Back and White I set it to Grey and Grey
NC is company who need money.
They create game to earn money :)
If 30 even 100 people use OE skill exploit NC cost it nothing.
They can't sell that skill :)
If someone decrease income of NC that is obviously perma ban :)
Perma Ban on farmers is not big deal.
They to earn money will buy new card, to farm mats/gear/etc.
All are happy, players because see hammer ban, NC because know that farmers will return, e-bayers because they know farmers will be as long L2 is alive.
Banning 85 players is risky, they give up and income drop.
Singe player wont make diffrence .. but half of SH .. that hurts.
For me situation what we see now is clear.
People can cheat in some limited way .. but always can get banned ... I would say by accident ;)
People from SH about we talking are famous from using 3rd programs, botting like hell to get 85, RTM in both direction (buying stuff but as well selling boss jewelery)...
Is it fair?
Lineage suppose to be like live with all aspects (just in magical world) ... is live is fair?
I know of a particular scenario. Where the person shall not be named as they are sitting next to me. That there mother payed for Lineage 2 for them with her credit card for the over 2 years. She had forgotten what NCNA was and contacted her bank and had the charge, charged back. The result was the account getting banned for "fraud". The mother wrote letters for over a year provided utility bills, copy of her sons birth certificate, and state ID's to no avail. The account was finally restored after the mother contacted the Consumer Protection Agency and the account was then promptly restored. So hmm what gives?
To not keep everything Back and White I set it to Grey and Grey
NC is company who need money.
They create game to earn money :)
If 30 even 100 @#$@$ use OE skill exploit NC cost it nothing.
They can't sell that skill :)
If someone decrease income of NC that is obviously perma ban :)
Perma Ban on farmers is not big deal.
They to earn money will buy new card, to farm mats/gear/etc.
All are happy, players because see hammer ban, NC because know that farmers will return, e-bayers because they know farmers will be as long L2 is alive.
Banning 85 players is risky, they give up and income drop.
Singe player wont make diffrence .. but half of SH .. that hurts.
For me situation what we see now is clear.
People can cheat in some limited way .. but always can get banned ... I would say by accident ;)
People from SH about we talking are famous from using 3rd programs, botting like hell to get 85, RTM in both direction (buying stuff but as well selling boss jewelery)...
Is it fair?
Lineage suppose to be like live with all aspects (just in magical world) ... is live is fair?
If having to learn proper grammar on a MMO forum produced by a company in another country fair? No...
Not so long ago famous Teon player gets banned for botting. Opens thread on these forums, cries, gets unbanned. ( Big joke on Teon and certain other place "cough Blah " that he managed to get away with it) Same person goes on to sell his clan members this exploit that results in this ban for them, that results in this incident. Maybe just maybe , If they had actually banned and kept him banned in the first place we would not be having this discussion now . Can you blame the person getting away with it and being given green light or the people not sticking to their initial judgements?
If having to learn proper grammar on a MMO forum produced by a company in another country fair? No...
Thank you for tip :)
If having nothing to say but say is fair? No...
Not so long ago famous Teon player gets banned for botting. Opens thread on these forums, cries, gets unbanned. ( Big joke on Teon and certain other place "cough Blah " that he managed to get away with it) Same person goes on to sell his clan members this exploit that results in this ban for them, that results in this incident. Maybe just maybe , If they had actually banned and kept him banned in the first place we would not be having this discussion now . Can you blame the person getting away with it and being given green light or the people not sticking to their initial judgements?
NCSoft gave the green light on day 1 by not stopping it then and allowing it to go on for 5+ years implicitly.
Musta been his main acct that got banned. With that 48 hour ban becuase of my mouth I couldn't logg in during that time. So they should get his boxed accts also, if he got banned for breaking rules.
if u heal RB and some1 see that and raporting u, u have 3 days Ban..
its confirmed.
i dont know why always since first chronicle it was accepted..and now not..they blocked restore life, but forgot to block BoE..
I'd like proof of this..
As healing a raidboss before in c2 and c3 while was frowned upon wasn't bannable it just ticked people off as someone either went red or the raid was canceled.
Now however relating to that of NPCs, specially ones that are on the side of the defenders or attackers, depending on which side they are allied with, the allied PC's can heal their own NPCs without flagging today, this is allowable and part of the game, buffing them up is also no issue at all and actually supported part of the game.
Full scale raid bosses OR any NPC mob of any type where a player buffs or heals them results in them going purple/flagging, at which point you have a choice to drop what your doing right now and kill the bugger OR trying to out damage the heals until they run out of mp. Likely best to kill the purple jackhole. OR if things go horribly wrong, get the hell out of there asap cause the non agro mob is going to go after the guy that was healing or buffing them.
whilst i agree that the rules should be simplified and more consistantly enforced, i just dont get the arguement of .... someone else did something worse n got a second chance :-S
so u got banned - possibly its not fair but only a 5 year old can really pull that off with any kind of conviction. Sometimes things arent fair - decide if u wanna start again or if theres something else ud rather do :(
Musta been his main acct that got banned. With that 48 hour ban becuase of my mouth I couldn't logg in during that time. So they should get his boxed accts also, if he got banned for breaking rules.
I am playing with my friend Jim. Jim says to me "well tomorrow is my last day of L2. I can't afford to pay the monthly subscription."
I say "hey Jim i have a few bucks extra...i'll send it to you via PP and i'll pay for you cause the game just isn't the same without you."
A few days later I say "man i sure wish i had 50 million Adena so i could but those S grade gloves"
Jim says "np man i sold those Demon Splinters yesterday...i'm flush...i'll give you the Adena after all you did pay for my account last month"
Guess they should get banned for RMT.
All i'm trying to say is that it is not a Black and White world.
Not saying NC is right or wrong...just glad i don't have to interpert the rules.
That's a valid point. I have actually done part of that. One of my clannies, was chatting to me on MSN and said he wouldnt be in-game for a few weeks as his account was out of time and he had no money until his paycheque came in.
I bought a 30 day timecard and gave him the number to apply to his account. As it was christmas (about 2 yrs ago), I said, Don't pay it back, it's a xmas present..
it's not quite a RMT, but half of one....
As for the OP's issue and the exploits by the people on Teon;
If you have something "not quite right" in game, and petition it, the GM's ALWAYS say "it is a player issue/game mechanics issue, sort it yourself" but if it is something that they don't like it's considered an exploit? seems a little one-sided to me.
Having said that, I always hear about these things AFTER the exploit has been fixed, so i'm safe from temptation :( or should that be :D
I guess that whatever the OP or we say about this, NC will do what they want, when they want and if the OP or anyone else does an RMT, or cheats (read that as bot), then they should expect a ban. If it's good enough for me to grind my off then it should be good enough for you. Ok, so you work full time, and have a family/have a life, well guess what, so do I. If you want to cheat, go for it, just wait for captain banhammer, and when it hits you on the head, don't QQ to us, live with it, and go play something else.
You don't want to "waste" all that time getting to level x? then don't, again go elsewhere.
When you pick up a pack of cards to play solitaire, do you sort the pack first so that you can win? (actually, I have done that once to impress my kids, but that's a whole other stor
y!)
How many "it's not fair" threads do we have to read/ignore before it's enough?
When you pick up a pack of cards to play solitaire, do you sort the pack first so that you can win? (actually, I have done that once to impress my kids, but that's a whole other stor
y!)
The good DrTulp has a very valid point there, but I do see a minor difference between his scenario and RMT's. There was not a direct exchange of money for in game services. In the Dr's scenario, it was just 2 friends helping each other out to make their game experience more enjoyable. I can see how that could be misinterperted though.
ive personally given away a dozen time cards and 4 Epic account keys (for the mask) to players who wanted to play and couldnt, or that wanted the mask but could not find a boxed copy anywhere.
as has Stratics on occasion, and other fan sites.
this does not qualify as RMT by any means.
hell, ive even got a CT1:Kamael Sleeved Shirt. won it.
i'd love it if that Jewellery swag contest came back though. that was some EPIC swag.