Note: The "No Action Taken" poll option was added 24 hours after the poll began. Of the users that responded before it was added, many chose "Other" and explained in their posts that they wanted no action taken. 29 of these posts clearly stated this, therefore 29 votes were subtracted from "Other" and added to "No Action Taken."
These are the most popular and feasible ideas from the thread:
Delete the clan and all of its possessions. This is the simplest and fastest method, but offers no mercy to players that may feel affected by the loss of a clan leader. It is ideal for players involved in the fallout to address these matters themselves.
Leadership should go to the assigned sub-leader. This would involve a clan system redesign by the developers.
Large clans should let the next clan leader be determined by rankings in the Guard/Knight system. It is very similar to the sub-leader suggestion.
Vote on a new leader. This would involve remaining clan members casting their vote to NCsoft, and a GM transferring the leadership after the vote is decided.
Transfer leadership back to the previous clan leader. This suggestion easily fits into some of the suggestions above.
The status of this debate at NCWest:
After the poll and feedback thread closed, the team discussed this matter extensively. We are examining the possibility of revising the clan system. We will not implement a permanent policy until we have exhausted all other possibilities.
I think it is pretty clear that voting who should become leader is the quickest and easiest solution. However, what about for clan leaders long since banned and clan members who have left, transferred to other servers etc?
thankyou for reconstructing the poll result into a nicely formatted post.
however, the vague response of We will not implement a permanent policy until we have exhausted all other possibilities.
Sace, I have a question for you. What happens if the clan leader got banned and everyone left the clan to form a new clan? What would happen to the clan and the items in the warehouse? For example, our clan leader on bartz was banned several months ago and we lost all our hard earned clan items in the clan warehouse, including some of the clan items that were on the clan leader.
The clan was The****ed(TheDa mned without the space...) and we left that clan and moved into another clan currently called Enmity. Will we get the clan back including all the items? Or will you give the clan to a toon that is inactive in the clan, seeing as they are mainly alts and people who no longer play.
The real question is, all of the members from The****ed(TheDa mned without the space...) moved to Enmity and we are all wondering if the clan will be transfered to us so that we can hand out the items accordingly, along with continue to use that clan as a backup.
It was stated in the previous thread that this would not be retroactive. it was to create a policy for dealing with the issue in a constistent manner when it pops up in the future. No one is getting anything from long locked clans.
Sace, I have a question for you. What happens if the clan leader got banned and everyone left the clan to form a new clan? What would happen to the clan and the items in the warehouse? For example, our clan leader on bartz was banned several months ago and we lost all our hard earned clan items in the clan warehouse, including some of the clan items that were on the clan leader.
The clan was The****ed(TheDa mned without the space...) and we left that clan and moved into another clan currently called Enmity. Will we get the clan back including all the items? Or will you give the clan to a toon that is inactive in the clan, seeing as they are mainly alts and people who no longer play.
The real question is, all of the members from The****ed(TheDa mned without the space...) moved to Enmity and we are all wondering if the clan will be transfered to us so that we can hand out the items accordingly, along with continue to use that clan as a backup.
Thanks.
I am wondering the same thing for Unforgiven on Teon. The only person who deserves the leader position and still plays has no character in that clan.
Also, we are in the situation with Unforgiven that, the people who got the clan banned in the first place have the majority of alts still in the clan. So the people who initially created the clan, who farmed for everything, who bought the clan hall will be on the outs to the morons who lost the clan in the first place.
The problem with the vote is just this - a big problem with the vote. I may be lvl 40 and may be able to persuade several ppl to vote for me - by promising them a free antaras or such... so as the others votes may be distributed among several players I can easily get most votes and become a leader.
As for the oldest member - in any clan there are unactive clan members and often the oldest members are exactly among them.
SO: the only viable solution is every clan leader to be able to define his succeessor in case of ban or long time suspension. Everything else has serious drawbacks.
Well in that clan's case, their original cl got banned for RMT.
They moved to Enmity and their next cl stole the cwh and quit, lol.
So I'd say he is right about bad apples falling from the same tree. Plus there are probably only a handful of the TD that were playing when DT got banned that still play on Bartz, so technically what's in that wh doesn't "rightfully" belong to most of those ppl.
P.S. I think releasing Freya > the banned cl issue. How about we get to work on that sometime before 2011.
i dont realy fully understand why NC pays so much attention to this "problem". I know there are not many left who dont use cheats and bots, but a few years ago there was a chance to keep this game clean, but NC didnt even listen to the communtiy about that major! problem .. but now we get a poll how to safe bottet clans and most likely there will be 8h+ code-development about some clanleader transfer ... i dont even wanna think about it how fast a secure client-server protokoll can be coded.
btw .. a few years ago we had a poll about gameguard .. if i remeber right there was somthing like 90% who dont wanted that thing .. and guess what ....
you guys assume people are only banned for botting. how quickly you forget that people used to get banned for paying for too many accounts with the same payment method. now instead of banning for that, the system will just tell you that you cannot pay for another account with that payment method. i dont recall hearing any of those people getting unbanned. people have been banned for their language, for innapropriate titles, etc.
you guys assume people are only banned for botting. how quickly you forget that people used to get banned for paying for too many accounts with the same payment method. now instead of banning for that, the system will just tell you that you cannot pay for another account with that payment method. i dont recall hearing any of those people getting unbanned. people have been banned for their language, for innapropriate titles, etc.
Show me one example of that!
People with bad names have been renamed, people banned for language was penalty for some days, people banned for multiple payment within the same master account I never heard about any, if you get your account banned for involvement on suspicious acts and your innocence is verified you get your account back, none of the guys I know that got perma banned were about those acts you listed here.
Most of the clans have alts without breaking any issue to save the clans for shutdown, if a clan leader risk is own account is pathetic imo and I dont even see a point from Nc to decide to open this pole!
Clan leader banned for rmt or being using powerlevel tools or any other tool should stay banned and clan name locked period!
The only action I would agree would be automatically drop all the clan members, remove their wars from anyone and erase related warehouses and clan halls if the clan owns any, I remember one clan who left near 2b and the clan hall was dead till server merges were placed.
The probability that ncsoft makes some blanket statement of "lulz sorry this policy is not retroactive because that would require more thinking (on the subject) then we actually anticipated investing" approaches 1 rapidly.
Sace, I have a question for you. What happens if the clan leader got banned and everyone left the clan to form a new clan? What would happen to the clan and the items in the warehouse? For example, our clan leader on bartz was banned several months ago and we lost all our hard earned clan items in the clan warehouse, including some of the clan items that were on the clan leader.
The clan was The****ed(TheDa mned without the space...) and we left that clan and moved into another clan currently called Enmity. Will we get the clan back including all the items? Or will you give the clan to a toon that is inactive in the clan, seeing as they are mainly alts and people who no longer play.
The real question is, all of the members from The****ed(TheDa mned without the space...) moved to Enmity and we are all wondering if the clan will be transfered to us so that we can hand out the items accordingly, along with continue to use that clan as a backup.
Thanks.
I am wondering the same thing for Unforgiven on Teon. The only person who deserves the leader position and still plays has no character in that clan.
Also, we are in the situation with Unforgiven that, the people who got the clan banned in the first place have the majority of alts still in the clan. So the people who initially created the clan, who farmed for everything, who bought the clan hall will be on the outs to the morons who lost the clan in the first place.
People with bad names have been renamed, people banned for language was penalty for some days, people banned for multiple payment within the same master account I never heard about any, if you get your account banned for involvement on suspicious acts and your innocence is verified you get your account back, none of the guys I know that got perma banned were about those acts you listed here.
Most of the clans have alts without breaking any issue to save the clans for shutdown, if a clan leader risk is own account is pathetic imo and I dont even see a point from Nc to decide to open this pole!
Clan leader banned for rmt or being using powerlevel tools or any other tool should stay banned and clan name locked period!
The only action I would agree would be automatically drop all the clan members, remove their wars from anyone and erase related warehouses and clan halls if the clan owns any, I remember one clan who left near 2b and the clan hall was dead till server merges were placed.
We've already debate the issue! Obviously, you don't know NCSoft typically has a 3 strike rules for small EULA violations (e.g., language). I know people who wont go after hero because if they get one more language violation ban it is permanent.
Whatever solution you come up with we would ask you to minimize abuse. What will happen in the majority of cases is the banned clan leader's clan will just move to one of his alts.
Move to 1st Royal Guard leader? --> cl puts 1st royal guard leader as his alt
Move to senior most clan member? --> cl alt would be that char
Move to char designated by clan leader --> cl designates his alt
We appreciate the IDEA behind what you are trying to do here. The MEMBERS of a clan that worked hard for gear shouldn't lose out because 1 player is banned. We get it. But in most cases your solution will lead to any change you make benefitting the clan leader personally, and not the clan. I am sure this isn't your goal, but it will be the realistic outcome.
If you were to put this plan into effect retro-actively now, I firmly believe you will see in most cases a single player collecting the items from the ch, selling them all for real-life $$ or for adena, then selling the adena, and selling the clan hall.
We've already debate the issue! Obviously, you don't know NCSoft typically has a 3 strike rules for small EULA violations (e.g., language). I know people who wont go after hero because if they get one more language violation ban it is permanent.
Never found one perma banned for trashing over the server, its totally understandable, but if they were watching on the server were we playing now, there is one that would be banned for ages when doing market always HV can be handy, but there is one guy in /vuvuzela mode he cry, he offend players, he offend clans, he call bots to half server, he make fun of players not English friendly and he gave many proofs of bad sarcasm, discrimination and racism!
Guess someone was missing that, from that point this guy would be banned from the game since the first day someone decided to feed him on oly.
Never found one perma banned for trashing over the server, its totally understandable, but if they were watching on the server were we playing now, there is one that would be banned for ages when doing market always HV can be handy, but there is one guy in /vuvuzela mode he cry, he offend players, he offend clans, he call bots to half server, he make fun of players not English friendly and he gave many proofs of bad sarcasm, discrimination and racism!
Guess someone was missing that, from that point this guy would be banned from the game since the first day someone decided to feed him on oly.
2 of my closest friends in game had their first chars perma banned for language violations, and the words they were banned for weren't censored by the language filter and therefor made it into white chat uncensored.
you guys assume people are only banned for botting. How quickly you forget that people used to get banned for paying for too many accounts with the same payment method. Now instead of banning for that, the system will just tell you that you cannot pay for another account with that payment method. i dont recall hearing any of those people getting unbanned.