untill c4 we were not that much worse then other warriors for DD, just use a sword, our stun was good both PvP and PvE. few used majestic armor since NM and DC seemed to offer better set bonuses.
then came epics, just zaken earring was enough to stop almost all stun attempts.
this was later remade to give stun chance aswell as resist, but by that time every one knew the importance of stun resist so many had a stun resist armor and also came the use of clan buffs that gave stun resists too.
now many of the armor sets have stun resists on them we see it now on moirai heavy, vesper robe and more besides.
3/4 active attack skills for a blunt using maestro is stun attacks.
1/2 skills with sword is stun.
dwarfs are the only class that been given passive nerfs to their one and only skill without ever really been given anything else to compensate for their only skill to become next to useless.
where are the armors with resist against debuffs such as buff cancel, entangle, arrests and other skills that is problematic for basically any slow meele DD.
i can add about our weapons.
without epics and all crit damage/rate buffs the blunt weapons wasnt all that bad, but after c4 there been added alot of skills and buffs with heavy emphasis on critical hits and NOTHING have been done to balance the weapons in regards to this, dwarfs have been stuck with only masteries for blunt weapons and even though we can use swords we have basicly no skills to use with them and do essentially no more damage then a tank wich is imo a deep insult to warrior classes that dwarf is.
and even if we will be given sword masteries too in high five update, that still leave us with almost no skills to be used with the sword. and imo if they had wanted to boost the damage for dwarfs then best way would imo been a self buff or change to our maestiers for crit rate or crit damge with blunt so that our skills (ok, they next to useless but even so....) can still be used.
and second:
Before everyone calls this just another QQ thread I'd like to say that I second Xalya's post.
When Luna started with Hellbound and only a few people had the famous zaken+anthy+frint combo, PvP was super. I managed to outCP a 79 dagger with elemented S gear on level 74 and Agrade. Simply bcoz my stuns landed pretty well. Oneshots / twoshots simply didn't exist then. PvP was manageable and I as a dwarf was a highly appreciated and important member of any PvP group. I picked a target and stunned it, giving clannies the time to finish the target off while I looked for another one. I was actually useful ...
Now, I don't see the point to go PvPing at all. Even with oly zaken and stun +13, I barely stun a freakin BD from the opposite side, and if it lands it's like for a fraction of a second. As Xalya wrote - now being a dwarf I'm next to useless... And to make matters even funnier, even with like 13k HPs I used get oneshotted from time to time, which is always a morale booster.
As Xalya wrote again, the dwarves' DPS hasn't really changed sice like ever. Virtually ANY warrior class can outDPS a dorf, a freakin tank does twice the dmg I do. I crit like every other Christmas, even with buffs and songs my critrate won't go over 120. And here comes a tank thats SUPPOSED to be low dps / high pdef class and rips the mob in half in null koma nichts.
I would actually post some ideas in the suggestions section if I hadn't stopped giving a s*** a long time ago. Nobody cares for dorfs. People even tell me to reroll a dagger LOL as if I HAD to have some other char to participate in an enjoyable PvP. I just don't care anymore, but still found the time to support and agree with Xalya.
Please correct me if i'm wrong... I don't ever intend on testing out a dwarf and not really keeping on top of which update is which... but didn't dwarfs just get new skills with freya?
i dont know why u maestros are complaning... look u get new ubber skills , have golen , buffs for golen.. u have 1324134321321 more skills and power then a fortune seeker.. me , as Fs will get more and more stomped...
btw about the stun. put ur stun +30 get all epics , see if ur stun wont land...
ps: IT WILL lend unless the guy have a 5/5 , maj and +++++++++ shock resist wich makes him a very top gear player. and even tough. if u have 300 ele on ur weapon and top armor , u'll be able to tank him and kill him deppending on his class.
ps2: this game pvp was designed for each one make their jobs.. so ur job is to stun and tank. and still u can make more dd carrying alot of cp pots u can tank. maestros are indeed good class for pvp
Don't listen to Koto, his english is as bad as his skills as a player. Proof:
i dont know why u maestros are complaning... look u get new ubber skills , have golen , buffs for golen.. u have 1324134321321 more skills and power then a fortune seeker.. me , as Fs will get more and more stomped...
Not our fault you're bad at your class. We get a golem that can get 1-shot by most people, and sure we get somewhat helpful buffs. But what uber skills? You have a skill enchant that increases vulnerability to an element...
btw about the stun. put ur stun +30 get all epics , see if ur stun wont land...
ps: IT WILL lend unless the guy have a 5/5 , maj and +++++++++ shock resist wich makes him a very top gear player. and even tough. if u have 300 ele on ur weapon and top armor , u'll be able to tank him and kill him deppending on his class.
So you're supposed to get full epics and +30 stuns, but not compensate for DPS difference. The rest of my proof:
ps2: this game pvp was designed for each one make their jobs.. so ur job is to stun and tank.
By the way, Koto...this thread is about dwarves in general, and regardless of the fact that "us Maestros are complaining"...you put in your 2 Q's in this thread as well.
Anyway, I agree with you here. It's even worse that our classes have to go up against classes that have Lionheart, Fortitude, etc. which completely nullify over 75% of our ONLY means of winning a fight, and yet our race is low on the totem pole in terms of capability to resist buff cancels, entangle, root, etc. while other classes are getting more and more chances of resisting stuns. Our DPS is lower than the other classes, we aren't even useful meat shields, pdef isn't the best at all, run speed is bad...but at this point in the game, there really is nothing you can do. No one will listen to cries for help from a race 3 feet tall.
but flypsi u are not lvl 85 with super ubber stuff are u?
even if u were i know ur class wouldnt be a killer but for sure would be very good. and yes FS is the wrost class in game for pvp that any1 can say oposit :D
and about lion heart i agree also , but not every 1 gets it :P but still there are other skills that makes it. even tough u are well geared with good skills ++ and i know u can kill stuff :p
Please correct me if i'm wrong... I don't ever intend on testing out a dwarf and not really keeping on top of which update is which... but didn't dwarfs just get new skills with freya?
The new skills come with High 5.
@ OP. I guess I should just go ahead and throw this out.
Get to 85, get full Epics, and when you have all +25 skills you won't have this problem. The issue is between the chair and the keyboard. Less posting on forums and more pressing F1 in game.
EDIT: ^^ Seems like Koto took care of that!
/End_Sarcasm
On a more serious note: Welcome to the club. Don't expect much to come out of these threads. Not many people can think from the class balance perspective, becuase if your stuns actually had a good landrate and you did decent damage, they might be the one recieving it.
if stun landed that easy it'd be the best toon for pvp lol. look , not all classes have defense against stuns. and again , if u fight at the same conditions , dwarfs cn be very strong. so when i mean 5/5 i mean that if u wanna fight the best of the best , u'll need that gear and ++ i told you.
and again i didnt say dwarf is over power for pvp , but yet , the maestros can be very usefull and are usefull since i know some of them 85 5/5 +25-30 skill ++ wpns 300 ele and armors 120 ele and they tank verywell and do pretty good demege...
even flipsy that isnt 100% over with gear/lvl(not very high lvl)/++stun(ppl say is +20 , wich means its very good) , but yet , very close to it :P can kill many 85 ppl that arent over geared.. lol
if stun landed that easy it'd be the best toon for pvp lol. look , not all classes have defense against stuns. and again , if u fight at the same conditions , dwarfs cn be very strong. so when i mean 5/5 i mean that if u wanna fight the best of the best , u'll need that gear and ++ i told you.
and again i didnt say dwarf is over power for pvp , but yet , the maestros can be very usefull and are usefull since i know some of them 85 5/5 +25-30 skill ++ wpns 300 ele and armors 120 ele and they tank verywell and do pretty good demege...
even flipsy that isnt 100% over with gear/lvl(not very high lvl)/++stun(ppl say is +20 , wich means its very good) , but yet , very close to it :P can kill many 85 ppl that arent over geared.. lol
on PTS i have +28 hammer crush, full epics. against equally geared opponents i rarely land my stun, sure i land almost 100% against ppl without epics or stun resist but what does that matter? they usually are poorly equipped anyway. also if both chars are full epics and my target have ANY stun resist my chance to stun drop to like 0%. if both without epics and he have stun resist from armor or similar i still have a chance to land stuns. somewhere they have messed up stun formula imo.
about damage, id say that dwarf with blunt have less then 1/3 of the DPS of any other warrior class and even if we use sword we still dont get much higher then 2/3 of the 2nd worst warrior class.
As a Maestro player, I can safely say they are only good for 2 things: Crafting and using their golem as a distraction for Titans to smack in olympiad so I can buff steal Frenzy off of them :P
As a Maestro player, I can safely say they are only good for 2 things: Crafting and using their golem as a distraction for Titans to smack in olympiad so I can buff steal Frenzy off of them :P
ahh crafting another thing that have anoyed me to no end... why the hell is s80 gear craftable by any level 70 warsmith!?
it should imo have been a level 78 skill level on crafting to make s80, we get level 10 now for s84, but it should have been a level 10 for s80 and 11 for s84 imo.
btw about the stun. put ur stun +30 get all epics , see if ur stun wont land...
Yeah sure that would definitly do the trick. There are just 2 problems.
1) I am not going to have any epics. Ever. I am not in the ruling side of our 1-sided server and don't intend to join. And I don't intend to ebay like 20 billion adena to buy those too. Ergo no epics for me.
2) I'm not a HC player, lvl 85 would take me another 2 years, if at all. 85 is out of the question.
Now what.
Some time ago the PvP was nat all about the equip, now it is. And that's what's the issue here.
Yeah sure that would definitly do the trick. There are just 2 problems.
1) I am not going to have any epics. Ever. I am not in the ruling side of our 1-sided server and don't intend to join. And I don't intend to ebay like 20 billion adena to buy those too. Ergo no epics for me.
2) I'm not a HC player, lvl 85 would take me another 2 years, if at all. 85 is out of the question.
Now what.
Some time ago the PvP was nat all about the equip, now it is. And that's what's the issue here.
Just have fun playing! You don't need epics to be famous or infamous! :D
Just have fun playing! You don't need epics to be famous or infamous! :D
Some people aren't members of the Real People Endlessly Reminiscing Silly Accomplishments Ridiculous Even For All Gamers Gathering On The Situation like you. They actually play the game for more than a dog and pony show. Or a drunk and pony show.
Some people aren't members of the Real People Endlessly Reminiscing Silly Accomplishments Ridiculous Even For All Gamers Gathering On The Situation like you. They actually play the game for more than a dog and pony show. Or a drunk and pony show.
that's right cuz you don't have any! :p your a band wagoner! LOL
Remember were not laughing with you were laughing at you! AHAHAAAA :D
It's a good thing you don't know me therefore the validity of that statement is nullified. However, I wouldn't want to be the president of the organization of Real People Endlessly Reminiscing Silly Accomplishments Ridiculous Even For All Gamers Gathering On The Situation like you, so blah :/
It's a good thing you don't know me therefore the validity of that statement is nullified. However, I wouldn't want to be the president of the organization of Real People Endlessly Reminiscing Silly Accomplishments Ridiculous Even For All Gamers Gathering On The Situation like you, so blah :/
Well, you are the 1st to imply the dwarf should be good at PVP. They are not and they are not designed to be.
The real problem with dwarfs (at least the spoiler dwarf) is they are next to useless since Gracia update. Almost no1 needs A stuff anymore and after High Five it will be sold in the NPC shops. Which means a spoiler under lvl 80 will be useless for normal play (yup, the chinese which pay 5 EU for 24 days TC will proceed to make spoiler trains). Even at lvl 80 it is not be that usefull coz the dyn and icarus stuff is extremely cheap already.
What I love most (not!), is how a mob can stun u, and nomatter how many mobs gank u while ur stunned, it takes forever to go off..... While if YOU stun a mob, u could basicly just hit it with a NG weapon (no ss)... and stun goes off after the first hit or 2..... ridiculously lame.