I have to say it's about time! I can finally spoil something before It's too late to need it! That really needs to be fixed by the time I could spoil b grade I was almost out of a grade and by the time I could spoil a grade I"m almost in s80. x.x What is the deal with that? I've tried to bring 10 different friends to this game and they all quit because gear was impossible to get crafting is a full time job requiring the luck of the gods and a pile of adena. Also, the non stop grind(don't get me wrong love the epic and one time instances) but come on...there just arn't enough ppl willing to spend half there life lvl'ing a toon. Anyone else notice the adena in this game never changes? You get the same at lvl 20 from a mob as lvl 80...because you have to have a party. Done ranting woot on an s grade spoil finally!
Agree,all item parts a spoiler makes are useless in the game of s80+.A armors in shop on highfive and who cares about s armors,they save money for higher ones.I guess only casual players and some subs will use s gear in the future.
Only problem i see if u give lower lvl spoiler's ability to spoil higher gear is how they will survive the mobs.Theoritically they arent always in a party with dds and healer just for spoil.
My suggestion is lower lvl mobs to give higher item's parts at least to s grade.I dont know which is the rate for spoiling s 80/s84 parts,i went with a lvl79 and a lvl81 spoiler to fields of whispers and tried for icarus blades,but after 3 hours nothing and i mean really nothing,not a blade but also not some good mats,it was really silly to keep doing it.How spoilers will lvl if they arent usefull untill highfive?
If people has some info about the spoil rate at delusion chamber or new mos for vesper parts,lvl of spoiler and how much +++++has to be his spoil i'd like to hear it.
He can do Mos?
im sure he could spoil there if someone put him in party... he has max lvl spoil, though he might have to toss it a few times to land.
sel mahums has kind of a **** rate but spoil fest makes for a pretty simple operation youll need someone to kill them for you at 76/78
beastfarm is easy w/ oop buffer at 78 if you want moirai/vespar rec/part
DoE is a easy spot for dynasty soloable at 76 w/ buffs
FoG spoils dyn i started spoiling there in a group at 66 w/ some success and plenty of deaths but at 72 and 74 for max lvl spoil and spoil fest respectivly you will be able to spoil most any mob most of the time.
there are more spots but these are the very easy ones.
field of silence/wispers whatever and plains of lizardmen also but you need a more specific type of class to kill mobs for u while u spoil
That is good that the spoils seem to better in some places.. same can't be said for ahem... SILENT VALLEY!!!
Only Dynasty spoil in FoG is Dynasty Tunic parts, thats it. I never got anything besides that.
DoE spoil rates are some of the worst in the game, you can maybe come out with a few dynasty parts every few rounds, the drop rates on everything else is pretty horrible too.
Beast Farm easy on a lvl 78 dwarf with OOP buffers? lol maybe if you want to kill 1 mob every 3-4mins. I duo there on my GH (80) with a FS (79) and OOP buffs from a DC or Hiero with cov or pof, it still takes a while to take the mobs down regardless of their stage. The damage nerf I would imagine be pretty bad for a level 78. they also hit hard and you cannot use the trained pets at. They're water element so even having no resists would suck even more.
That and the fact the spoil rates seem lower than the old beast farm. You can go 2-4 rounds without getting much at all, just a few days ago we went 3 rounds with 1 Moirai part spoil and that was it. It's extremely frustrating there sometimes lol. But some days you have good hauls, others you get jack basically.
the ability to spoil items higer than your lvl creates inflation! they inputed it now for the new parts and soon we will see the problems in the market!
Just think a spoiler being able to spoil items that when sold to just npcs give him a fortune!
Now imagine the outcome of that to the economy!
If lets say you got to be 1 lvl above of the grade part you spoil means that a certain percent of spoilers can spoil that~ now if you can spoil something that is 2 lvl above your grade that percent changes dramaticaly according to the difficulty of lvling and from lets say 10 % of spoilers could spoil an item now 40 % of them can spoil it!
we went to mos 2 days ago with lvl 78 spoiler and the spoil of vesper parts was about 3 out of 4 mobs and with a spoil +0
Beast Farm easy on a lvl 78 dwarf with OOP buffers? lol maybe if you want to kill 1 mob every 3-4mins. I duo there on my GH (80) with a FS (79) and OOP buffs from a DC or Hiero with cov or pof, it still takes a while to take the mobs down regardless of their stage. The damage nerf I would imagine be pretty bad for a level 78. they also hit hard and you cannot use the trained pets at. They're water element so even having no resists would suck even more.
That and the fact the spoil rates seem lower than the old beast farm. You can go 2-4 rounds without getting much at all, just a few days ago we went 3 rounds with 1 Moirai part spoil and that was it. It's extremely frustrating there sometimes lol. But some days you have good hauls, others you get jack basically.
you can also get some dyn jewl parts in fog.
as for beast farm i was able to do it w/ DC buffs CoV and fire,fury,warrior,vamp, and inspiration. 4/3/3/3 Drac (dark/fire resist only), HD +3 150 fire. kill at a reasonable rate, obviously a 80+ toon to help will speed things up a bit. in 1 hour of duo w/ 83 DC and oop dances i got 4 vesper recs and about 20 random moirai parts.
is your spoil enchanted? i have noticed sometimes i have to toss it 2x to get it to land.
tbh vesper/moirai spoils come faster at beastfarm than top choice meat most of the time.
i kill mostly top stage mobs but even untransformed mobs spoil moirai and give nearly the same xp (the xp is **** no matter wat stage w/o xp spice and even then not great)
try buying the spice bindles and opening them instead of buying jus straight spice, the special spice that max lvls a mob in 1 shot is good for reducing dmg jus standing and feeding.
the ability to spoil items higer than your lvl creates inflation! they inputed it now for the new parts and soon we will see the problems in the market!
Just think a spoiler being able to spoil items that when sold to just npcs give him a fortune!
Now imagine the outcome of that to the economy!
If lets say you got to be 1 lvl above of the grade part you spoil means that a certain percent of spoilers can spoil that~ now if you can spoil something that is 2 lvl above your grade that percent changes dramaticaly according to the difficulty of lvling and from lets say 10 % of spoilers could spoil an item now 40 % of them can spoil it!
we went to mos 2 days ago with lvl 78 spoiler and the spoil of vesper parts was about 3 out of 4 mobs and with a spoil +0
It's all prety much moot with the quests and manor system. They pretty much minimized spoilers in this game compaired to pre C3.
the ability to spoil items higer than your lvl creates inflation! they inputed it now for the new parts and soon we will see the problems in the market!
Just think a spoiler being able to spoil items that when sold to just npcs give him a fortune!
Now imagine the outcome of that to the economy!
I take this as a joke!
If a 78lvl spoiler with +0 spoil can spoil 3 out of 4 mobs at mos,thats the highest rate ive ever heard in my L2 life at all lvls!!!!!!!Mos mobs have some spoiler weakness then :)
and i love to see spoil weakness cause spoil was so much nerfed,the few active people who like still to play this class can find a place in a party.
The other day we had a 79 FS +7 spoil skill in Beastfarm. Spoil landed pretty much on every mob regardless the stage but..... in 2 hours 0 mobs turned blue ? Yes we used the right spice to feed. Golden spice I think it was, the one that give increase drop/spoil and less xp.
When I was in MoS we had 84 or 85 FS in group. 9 out of 10 mobs turned blue. insane spoil rate there. Soon market will be flooded with vesper.
At beast farm with same spoiler(77 lvl,spoil +0)1-2 days mobs turned blue most of the times and some other days spoil always activated but mobs never turned blue,same spoiler so same tactic,same mobs.
Ofc he left the place,either freya is bugged or what kind of joke is this,same mobs should have always same spoil rate.
If a 78lvl spoiler with +0 spoil can spoil 3 out of 4 mobs at mos,thats the highest rate ive ever heard in my L2 life at all lvls!!!!!!!Mos mobs have some spoiler weakness then :)
and i love to see spoil weakness cause spoil was so much nerfed,the few active people who like still to play this class can find a place in a party.
no joke mate we did it several times to check and never failed us! the mobs are hard to kill cause those angels give some very high crits but the out come was always the same almost 3 of 4 mobs gave a part or a recipe (vesper)!
We couldn't believe it either!
It's all prety much moot with the quests and manor system. They pretty much minimized spoilers in this game compaired to pre C3.
Actually it does make a big difference! To do a quest you will need to hunt lets say 100 mobs to take 7 part or a rec! but to acuire this q you need to be of a certain lvl! making you less profit to dumb the quest gifts to the shop! Plus the manor system produces only general mats which to the npc shop cost realy low to sell!
Now take consideration that item parts and recs cost very high to the shop compared to general mats 10 times and more and being able to spoil 1 with the rate of 3 out of 4 makes a huge impact!
I can say im very happy about the easy vesper spoil rate at mos,but
you still need a full good group for mos+spoiler,in our servers high supports are lacking
too many armors in the game and the 3 attribute system made them expensive to make,so only the few people who camp oly will go and craft all of them
their stats arent better for all classes,ex. for nuker,moirai gives +2 Wit which is good(and ancor resist which is good only inside oly)but doesnt give Int at all which is bad/vesper gives +1wit +1int and resist stun--which is good for oly and for fighting with stunners,but bad when you fight nukers who have rare dynasty set--,you should have 1 set of all to be covered for all purposes but this is **** expensive with new attribute system--
vesper is allready an old armor,if valakas/anthy will be killed again,they will be passed from the new armors who give top stats
spoiler was so useless for years,this is his chance to be back in the game and lvl so he can reach 80+ for highfive content.