Cliffnotes:
- Lineage, Lineage2 and Aion goes to microtransaction system. The reason is: call back the inactive players base.
- After the 2.0 start in oversea (EU,USA): The NCSoft will provide new operation team/knowhow, customer support, powerwiki/etc., and 'customer convininence' on same level like in Korea.
Some good news! I would say!
NC Interactive Q2 result: $12.8M sales, $2.3M losses.
And if they are going to introduce a bot-friendly payment system (i.e. a bot doesn't pay at all or pays much less than a "live" account does), at the same time increasing the contention for grinding spots by merging the existing servers... GL to them.
And if they are going to introduce a bot-friendly payment system (i.e. a bot doesn't pay at all or pays much less than a "live" account does), at the same time increasing the contention for grinding spots by merging the existing servers... GL to them.
Well I bet on this:
- After the 2.0 start in oversea (EU,USA): The NCSoft will provide new operation team/knowhow, customer support, powerwiki/etc., and 'customer convininence' on same level like in Korea.
Game will be free to play? :( that sux, I just bought the game... Comming from a big free to play that all servers, I mean all! are full 24/7 and 90% are gold seller and magebots. they run 100 one running after another @@... seriously, that sux.
i.e. a bot doesn't pay at all or pays much less than a "live" account does
They will have no profit in keeping bots in game, quite contrantry, bots will now compete with NcSoft on RMT market.
What will happen, see russian servers.
F2P isn't an issue at all tbh. I'm end-game and couldn't welcome it more (more people playing, better game overall). No matter how easy it would be for new people to reach 80++++, (especially with the xp reduction coming in High 5) the player base is usually what makes any online game worth continuing to play in the first place.
However they need to police the game intensely or it will be completely meaningless. A 3rd party software ridden experience is unacceptable for the most part no matter what they choose to do.
Why bother with all this if they're not going to fix the real problem with the game? It would simply be a colossal waste of time...
Well if game goes f2p bots will be big issue for NCsoft since they do not bring money. Furthermore they are taking server space. Anyway we have to wait and see.
That has the financial info for Q2, but I haven't been able to locate a report about it yet. They also have a link for a conference call to investors, but it was corrupted when I downloaded it. Not sure where he is getting this other info though.
That has the financial info for Q2, but I haven't been able to locate a report about it yet. They also have a link for a conference call to investors, but it was corrupted when I downloaded it. Not sure where he is getting this other info though.
In Russia Dual boxing is banned. Also I have clannies that play with their spouses brothers etc from the same house how can they tell the difference by IP?
If it eliminates dual boxing this game is dead in the water NA people do not play in the same kind of settings and time zones are two wide open unlike Korea.
In Russia Dual boxing is banned. Also I have clannies that play with their spouses brothers etc from the same house how can they tell the difference by IP?
If it eliminates dual boxing this game is dead in the water
Yes, if with any new changes, it ends up to where I cant use my 2 accounts, guess I will find a new game.
I used streaming. In case you get another corrupted file.
What about everyone who has buffer accounts?
In Russia Dual boxing is banned. Also I have clannies that play with their spouses brothers etc from the same house how can they tell the difference by IP?
If it eliminates dual boxing this game is dead in the water NA people do not play in the same kind of settings and time zones are two wide open unlike Korea.
Yes, if with any new changes, it ends up to where I cant use my 2 accounts, guess I will find a new game.
lol @ both of you. Once they announce this than go and cry about it but for now these are just plans.
First of all they're not mentioning it will be F2P, they just say they will introduce microtransactions to L2 based on microtranscations' success in L1.
So I'd assume they will just introduce various head accessories/enchant improve cubic/etc buyable for $, not that it will be F2P.
First of all they're not mentioning it will be F2P, they just say they will introduce microtransactions to L2 based on microtranscations' success in L1.
So I'd assume they will just introduce various head accessories/enchant improve cubic/etc buyable for $, not that it will be F2P.
Well yes it's true. However from business point of view and knowing about hordes of P. Servers out there it makes more sense making it F2P + micro transactions.
Also they did mention about new costumer support team which will require money to maintain.
In any case at the moment it's all but speculations but from the business point of view F2P is more logical. Also they mentioned attracting back old players and I doubt many of them will be attracted back by cash shops..
I'm willing to bet that the F2P model will not be showing up here. It doesn't make sense to get rid of the monthly fee when they have tons of people that are willing to pay monthly AND pay for xp bonuses and the like. If it were me, adding the micro-transactions would come first and then maybe F2P when I introduce my next MMO.
And if they are going to introduce a bot-friendly payment system (i.e. a bot doesn't pay at all or pays much less than a "live" account does), at the same time increasing the contention for grinding spots by merging the existing servers... GL to them.
They already DO have bot friendly system - chinese pay only 5 EU for 24 days TC. It sould not be possible but i suspect they somehow has a way to use those asian TC on NA/EU servers.
I'm willing to bet that the F2P model will not be showing up here. It doesn't make sense to get rid of the monthly fee when they have tons of people that are willing to pay monthly AND pay for xp bonuses and the like. If it were me, adding the micro-transactions would come first and then maybe F2P when I introduce my next MMO.
Premium accounts w/ 2x SP/EXP would make up. Also not to mention p. server players which would prolly make few new extra servers.
They already DO have bot friendly system - chinese pay only 5 EU for 24 days TC. It sould not be possible but i suspect they somehow has a way to use those asian TC on NA/EU servers.
If I'm not mistaken chinsesse pays per hour of play instead like we do.
They will have no profit in keeping bots in game, quite contrantry, bots will now compete with NcSoft on RMT market.
What will happen, see russian servers.
Russian version of the game uses bot detection technology that might be illegal in US/Canada/EU.
Id love it if they added NC Coin and left the game as a pay to play I dont have a ton of money to spend on things like that but somethings id be more then willing to pay to use.
In Russia Dual boxing is banned. Also I have clannies that play with their spouses brothers etc from the same house how can they tell the difference by IP?
If it eliminates dual boxing this game is dead in the water NA people do not play in the same kind of settings and time zones are two wide open unlike Korea.
I just love how proudly people say this words about russian servers not knowing all the information at all :)
On russian servers you can have dual, trio, etc box as long as account is on premium subscription (which is half less than month payment here).
Also they do have better bot detection on serves, but it is contraversial cause it searches your PC for illegal software. Might be kind of a problem for america with its laws.
Maybe with F2P we will not have problems like "oh, we're top clan and we can't do night zaken, where can we get 72 chars?" or "oh, we are middle clan with 2 castles, but we can't go kill freya, where the hell we can find 27 chars 83-84lvl?", i'm sick of it since Freya update was installed.
if they go F2P and it brings in alot of players...isn't it then dumb to merge the servers now only to have to open up new ones again after 6 months?
You don't have a clue about bussiness,do you?
It costs now keeping 7 servers when your customers are enough only for 2-3 servers.
If after a few months they see an increasing demand for new accounts and these 2-3 servers aren't enough,they open a new server again (with a large marketing firework....) and everything is fine again.
I read an article somewhere about NC using a program like Frost in the U.S., but it most likely wouldn't work without some modifications as it is a breach of privacy atm. But if the population started going up again(wow long time since that's happened) and they were creating new servers, I would hope they could hire more GMs to help police all of the servers, hopefully in different timezones.
Ill bet it we ask nc na for word on microtransactions they will say "we have no public news about this at this time", even though ncsoft stated it to their stockholders lol
u need to see for the f2p in russia what is the population of private russian server. Cause not forget but l2 have a second comunauty but in private server ... f2p can make them come here and not on private
You don't have a clue about bussiness,do you?
It costs now keeping 7 servers when your customers are enough only for 2-3 servers.
At the moment these extra servers cost only electricity and rack space. Which in total is less than your home utility bill.
What they are losing when they are merging servers is not only people that are lost due to the merges, but also the islangs of healthy population growth in case the customer support becomes better, oldtimers are going to return and the current players stop to be ashamed of the idea of bringing their IRL friends into L2.
If after a few months they see an increasing demand for new accounts and these 2-3 servers aren't enough,they open a new server again (with a large marketing firework....) and everything is fine again.
How is it "fine" to have servers that lack even Majestic sets?
All have to do with the persective that you see the game.
If doesn't cost nothing to "run" few extra servers why they do merges?To stabilize servers economy and population?
You and many others said that after a merge people are quiting.Doesn't make sense.
If you remember the opening of Luna..there were so many new players that didn't care if they even had SSD,cause everybody starts from zero.
Again everyone has it's own perspective of the game.
If doesn't cost nothing to "run" few extra servers why they do merges?To stabilize servers economy and population?
To report to NC Korea that server population is now 3k+, as those requested.
You and many others said that after a merge people are quiting.Doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense to people who know our servers. Unfortunately, neither NC Korea nor the current NC West team have such people.
If you remember the opening of Luna..there were so many new players that didn't care if they even had SSD,cause everybody starts from zero.
Yep, there were plenty of botters and a handful of stupid people to reroll on Luna.
Lineage, Lineage 2 and AION till the end of the year will adapt F2P model.
I think it might be a bit of a stretch to think they're going to go to a F2P model here right now. You need to realize that rustail is a licensed 3rd party company, not a subsidiary of NCSoft. I think it's more likely that they are simply going to add the dimensional merchant and other micro transactions in order to boosts profits on a game with a declining population.
u need to see for the f2p in russia what is the population of private russian server. Cause not forget but l2 have a second comunauty but in private server ... f2p can make them come here and not on private
I don't want to get this thread locked by getting into a heavy debate about private servers, but I want to point out that even the PS population is not what it used to be. This game is fairly old now, and there are a lot of newer titles for people to go play. A change over to the Russian system would bring some people, but I don't think it'd be the numbers some of you figure on.
As I see a viable future:
1. Lower sumbscription fee to about half.
2. Add microtransactions for everything BUT gear that add ability to combat AND experience bonuses. For example subscriber teleports, distinctive accessories to show you support the game, mounts that are slightly worse than the ones you can get playing normally, things like those.
3. Quit making the game easier !!! There are tons of easy titles out there, l2 cant compete with those, this is a game for the hardcore gamers, those that have a commitement for years, lose those and the game is really dead.
Once again, if this fp2 will be something like russian server system you will be able to use dual boxes as long as one of your two accounts has premium subscription (which is, once again, half less than what we pay now).
Stop spreading panic among players :)
Once again, if this fp2 will be something like russian server system you will be able to use dual boxes as long as one of your two accounts has premium subscription (which is, once again, half less than what we pay now).
Stop spreading panic among players :)
I agree with the stop panicking, but NO WHERE does it say that they are going to the F2P business model, anyone saying that as it is a fact does not understand what was said in the report.
I don't think micro transactions is going to mean F2P. The powerwiki sounds interesting, though might suck a lot of resources out of NCSoft to create and translate.
I don't think micro transactions is going to mean F2P. The powerwiki sounds interesting, though might suck a lot of resources out of NCSoft to create and translate.
If we get the powerwiki then I will gladly provide my entire SQL database to NCSoft, it should save them lots of time on some things.
If we get the powerwiki then I will gladly provide my entire SQL database to NCSoft, it should save them lots of time on some things.
Thank you very much Bro on keeping such an excellent site :-)
though in NCS's place i'd be a bit ashamed at having kept their site so outdated since i started playing.
I still remember on my first week playing this game, back in 2006, when searching for some info everyone laughing at me in chat for trying to use the main site knowledge base
Dettik is right. Microtransactions is not f2p. It is probably activating the NPCs outside each warehouse so that those of us with deep pockets have an advantage over others who do not.
ok guys F2P well if this si the case THE last NCsoft game MMOrpg anyway
that wont be F2P will eb city of heroes
ive played and that agme for 5 years and still play it
with the release of going rouge they might have to open NEW server from the origonal ones...theyve never merged so funny part is NC just owns that game...they DIDNT create it so the games they create bite it hard like l2
city of heroes last nc MMO NA standing i think so
and im sorry for those who beleave its not an MMORPG it is get over urself
that game has no bots a healthy population and is growing... and it fits the definition sorry...
ok guys F2P well if this si the case THE last NCsoft game MMOrpg anyway
that wont be F2P will eb city of heroes
ive played and that agme for 5 years and still play it
with the release of going rouge they might have to open NEW server from the origonal ones...theyve never merged so funny part is NC just owns that game...they DIDNT create it so the games they create bite it hard like l2
city of heroes last nc MMO NA standing i think so
and im sorry for those who beleave its not an MMORPG it is get over urself
that game has no bots a healthy population and is growing... and it fits the definition sorry...
the reason l2 fails is because its not weekend warrior friendly for the legit people it is so hard to be competitive with the bots in pvp and if ur not good in pvp what elce is there in this game?
so make this game where u can hit lvl cap with top gear in 1.1-1.4 years
then all problems are fixed no need for f2p and life continues on...
they dont model themselves after there most sucsessful items...
if they did there would be more sucsess for nc in general
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ok guys F2P well if this si the case THE last NCsoft game MMOrpg anyway
that wont be F2P will eb city of heroes
ive played and that agme for 5 years and still play it
with the release of going rouge they might have to open NEW server from the origonal ones...theyve never merged so funny part is NC just owns that game...they DIDNT create it so the games they create bite it hard like l2
city of heroes last nc MMO NA standing i think so
and im sorry for those who beleave its not an MMORPG it is get over urself
that game has no bots a healthy population and is growing... and it fits the definition sorry...
City of Heroes was actually made by Cryptic Studios and NCSoft bought it from them shortly after launch.
Cryptic launched a new version called Champions Online last year (was supposed to be Marvel Online, but Marvel terminated the licence with Cryptic).
Oh and City of Heroes is now maintained by Paragon Studios that used to be the original Cryptic dev team that made the game.
ok guys F2P well if this si the case THE last NCsoft game MMOrpg anyway
that wont be F2P will eb city of heroes
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L2 is NOT GOING F2P... how many times do we need to say it (not picking on you this time Ironkid..) - if people are interested in what they are talking about, you need to listen to the investor call (yea I did, was bored at work.. so had it going in the background).
I read an article somewhere about NC using a program like Frost in the U.S., but it most likely wouldn't work without some modifications as it is a breach of privacy atm. But if the population started going up again(wow long time since that's happened) and they were creating new servers, I would hope they could hire more GMs to help police all of the servers, hopefully in different timezones.
since when did we have any privacy in america?
anyway it would be simple to incorporate a clause into the eula that would require access to scan a user's PC or they can not play the game.
ironkid,
one would have to say WoW is one of these successful models you speak of w/ easy lvl cap/gear.
it also has a huge player base turnover w/ tons of players quiting and many new players joining. they could not maintain a massive player base w/o the millions they spend in advertising and promotions. NC will not spend and really doesnt have the liquidity to bring in new players in this way. so when everyone lvls to cap and has the gear and gets bored they will steadly lose players but w/o blizzards ability to recruit.
what keeps most legit L2 players playing is the difficulty in reaching thier goals. the mechanics of lineage w/o a massive overhaul lack enough max lvl content. our dps race raids and stale siege systems wont keep players once pve is useless. jus look at how long your average max lvl pvper plays compared to your average pve player, a pver will keep a open account for 5+ years while a botted toon might get bored after only 1.5 years of server domination.
since when did we have any privacy in america?
anyway it would be simple to incorporate a clause into the eula that would require access to scan a user's PC or they can not play the game.
You forget above the laws that exists in the countries outside of america...Earth is bigger than just one continent you know...
If NC would only follow the american laws then they wouldn't be able to sell the game to any other country that doesn't have the exact same laws.