Dynasty Hvy. (WM) vs. Morai Hvy.?

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I kinda wanted to know if anyone else feel that dynasty weapon master set is much better than morai set for pve?

I personally feel that the crit rate and especially crit damage is a much bigger plus, than whatever morai set gives u.... the 50% stun resist is nice and all, but seems more a pvp thing, imho.

Not to mention the cost of morai set compared to dyn set now.... really dont think its worth the change.... but thats just me.

Anyone else feel like this?
There are some classes the dynasty is better, due to it's specialization for the particular class. The moirai is just a general armor, so if you were wanting to play to the specific classes natural playstyle, dynasty is usually the way to go, but for those like me (PP) the dyn gear sucks horribly, because i don't play it like it is designed to be played (Live, not as a box).
I know dyn for most classes suck, but at least for weapon master classes, it adds +25 crit rate for me and around +223 crit power..... personally i can feel a significant increase in damage from wearing dyn instead of morai.... and considering u can get a dyn set for well under 200m now.... instead of the 600m a morai set cost on some servers.
Dyn for Bards > Moirai
MW moirai > dynasty weapon master > Moirai for poler PVE
Dyn for Bards > Moirai

Maybe for pve, but not for pvp. 50% stun resist> ALL for dark elf
I do not know about Dynasty Heavy Weapon Master but Dynasty Platinum Shield Master is way better that Moirai heavy.
I do not know about Dynasty Heavy Weapon Master but Dynasty Platinum Shield Master is way better that Moirai heavy.

Don't think so.
Dyn for Bards > Moirai

lol what?

i had dynasty Essence 1 and 2 and i can say with absalute certainty.... the moirai heavy set kicks the **** out of the dynasty sets..

sure it's nice to have the reduction in mp consumption for dances/songs.... but **** it's totally not worth the loss in all the other abilities.. and cmon 8 dark pdef is totally insignificant

Frankly my point of view for dynasty was that it was better then IC set indeed.. but it was still terrible..

quite often i looked at my Tallum set and missed it's atributes as there was always a significant loss in pve and pvp capabilities with the IC and Dynasty... Sure with elements i had better surviveability.. but actually taking anyone down or anything like that... the tallum was much much better.

The MW tallum set i have .... if i could element. even only to say 45 element PER peice... i'd be wearing it over my dynasty/ic and perhaps my moirai...

but i think if i have MW moirai.... it would be worth the 6% atk spd loss i think for the huge advantages it gives.
yes wild magic dyn heavy is strong.
don't think so.

100%
MW moirai > dynasty weapon master > Moirai for poler PVE
MW dyn weapon master > MW moirai ;) (for poler)
have total bonus form MW dynasty in handy table ???? put it here
MW dyn weapon master > MW moirai ;) (for poler)

i dont know...


MW Dyn Ess II Hvy Wep Master:

Rare bonus gives increase to Pdef/HP/Dark Resist

Total Armor Pdef Bonus: 581 Pdef

Bonuses Seperated:

Normal Set Bonus:
STR: +2
CON: -2
P.Atk: +6.6%
Max HP: +492
Critical Damage: +282
Critical Rate: +2.95%
Darkness Resistance +8

Total Rare Bonus:
Max HP: +492
P.Def: +61
Dark Resist: +? (negligible with new element system)

Absolute Total w/ Full Rare Set:

Complete Rare Bonus:
STR: +2
CON: -2
P.Atk: +6.6%
Max HP: +984
Critical Damage: +282
Critical Rate: +2.95%
Darkness Resistance +8 +?
P.Def: +61


MW Moirai Hvy:

Rare bonus gives Patk/Atk Spd/Stun/4 elements

Total Armor Pdef Bonus: 611 Pdef

Bonuses Seperated:

Normal Set Bonus:
STR: +2
CON: -2
P.Atk: +4.26%
Atk Spd: +4%
Resist Damage Magic: +2%
Stun Resist: +50%
Earth/Wind/Fire/Water: +3

Total Rare Bonus:
P.Atk +4.99%
Atk Spd: +4.01%
Stun Resist: +20%
Earth/Wind/Fire/Water: +3

Absolute Total w/ Full Rare Set:

Complete Rare Bonus:
STR: +2
CON: -2
P.Atk: +9.25%
Atk Spd: +8.01%
Resist Damage Magic: +2%
Stun Resist: +70%
Earth/Wind/Fire/Water: +6


Vesper Noble (High Five):

Rare Bonus gives Patk/Pdef/HP/Resist Sleep/Resist Root

Total Armor Pdef Bonus: 643 Pdef

Bonuses Seperated:

Normal Bonus now:
STR: +2
DEX: -2
P.Atk: +5.57%
P.Def: +5.57%
Max HP: +541
Sleep Resist: +70%
Hold Resist: +70%

Normal Bonus High Five:
STR: +2
DEX: -2
P.Atk: +5.57%
P.Def: +5.57%
Max HP: +540 points
Sleep Resist: +70%
Hold Resist: +70%
Accuracy: +4
Movement Speed: +5
Resistance to Magical Critical Hits: +1%

Total Rare Bonus:
P.Atk: +2.47%
P.Def: +2.47%
Max HP: +232
Sleep Resist: +42.5%
Root resistance: +42.5%

Absolute Total w/ Full Rare Set:

Complete Rare Bonus now:
STR: +2
DEX: -2
P.Atk: +8.04%
P.Def: +8.04%
Max HP: +773
Sleep Resist: +112.5%
Hold Resist: +112.5%

Complete Rare Bonus High Five:
STR: +2
DEX: -2
P.Atk: +8.04%
P.Def: +8.04%
Max HP: +773
Sleep Resist: +112.5%
Hold Resist: +112.5%
Accuracy: +4
Movement Speed: +5
Resistance to Magical Critical Hits: +1%



IMO, at S80 grade, the Moirai Heavy set is better. The 2.95% crit rate isnt worth loosing the AtkSpd and P.Atk bonus of Moirai. Dynasty does give more HP, but Moirai has 30 more base P.Def. which can't be ignored. Dark resistance is nothing in the new element system and 4 elements is better than 1 over-dominant element anyways. The Crit Damage of Dynasty is very nice, but it is only +282, which in the grand scheme of things wont give the DPS or Burst Damage boost to justify the set. The rare set bonus of Dynasty Heavy is actually pretty sad considering it only gives HP and P.Atk, and Moirai's gives so much more.

Now, if you consider adding in S84 as well, IMO the Vesper Noble set is the better set. For PvE, most mobs don't stun. They do, however, root. The set bonus now gives enough survivability to outlast the increased DPS of Moirai in PvP, and the High Five bonus is insane. The only thing lacking is AtkSpd which is countered by survivability. The run speed hit is fixed in High Five. Moirai does give a better P.Atk boost when comparing Rare vs. Rare, but only by 1.21%.

In the end, IMO, Vesper Noble HF Rare > Moirai Hvy Rare > Vesper Noble HF > Vesper Noble Rare Current > Vesper Noble Current > Moirai Hvy > Dyn Hvy Ess II Wep Master Rare > Dyn Ess II Wep master



edit to add a pic:

http://www.l2ufg.com/uploads/public/Hyper%20Pics/Noble%20Vesper%20MW.jpg
i was j/k, ofcourse MW morai > normal and MW dyn (since no +++crit on MW) ;)
The problem is not about one armor or another; the problem is NCSoft clearly has no idea what and why exactly is doing something.
What i mean - in the old days when S grade was the top everything - skilsl and gear - had it's own place. The support was designed to run in A robes and the melee, archers and nukers in S grade.
Then the inflow of new players almost dried up and the idea was to lure the top lvl players with new gear, skills and levels to keep them in the game. So the new stuff was given not because it was falling at its exact place in the already existing RPG system but just for the sake of doing something (besides the cases where some classes were killed intentionally because there were too many players from this class like the archers).
Typical example of this senseless giving away were the buffs given to the WS sometimes ago. It was clear the WS don't need to advance past lvl 70 so NCSoft didn't find something better then to give them some buffs. Who the hell will take WS in the party just to add a buff or two for some of the other party players - which will get overbuffed anyway...
Maybe for pve, but not for pvp. 50% stun resist> ALL for dark elf

50% of nothing is nothing.

50% bonus will make no diference on the basic DE con status, plus the -2con +2 str modifier in moirai your stun def will be ridiculous unless you highly boost your con and get surrounded with epics.
i was j/k, ofcourse MW morai > normal and MW dyn (since no +++crit on MW) ;)

I have problems detecting sarcasm ;-)

I didnt really do a wall of text just for you, it was more to show everyone the full bonuses :-D
Agree with Hyper and it's nice to have it worked out so nicely, might want to add it also on Elliebelly :)

%WTB Rare Moirai Helm Gauntlets & Rare Vesper Gaiters plx pm ;)
Agree with Hyper and it's nice to have it worked out so nicely, might want to add it also on Elliebelly :)

%WTB Rare Moirai Helm Gauntlets & Rare Vesper Gaiters plx pm ;)

i lost my % chat for another 26 days until Nov 1st QQ
I have problems detecting sarcasm ;-)

I didnt really do a wall of text just for you, it was more to show everyone the full bonuses :-D

woot!