Fortune Seekers can stop crying

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lol no joke.

Dorfs with backstab, dual dagger mastery, mortal sweep strike etc, lolz.
so youre happy to see a PTS update for Korea, that may or may not make it OUT of pts to live, and that if it does, it will be still over a YEAR away before WE get to pts test it.

you assume too much, sir. i was promised sweep festival many years ago, back in SargeNC days.

let alone making BH a dagger class which is lolz.

if the update actually makes it here, i'll be fairly content.

i suspect NCWest will be closed by then. 10k accounts dwindling daily... closure is imminent.
TBH, seriously want to reroll to a female bh. be so hot.
some boost for the dwarves but what about other warriors,dreadnought,titan..? I know of high five rush and rush impact and disarm too?
Honestly, I dont think Titan, Dread...ect., got anything to complain about or need.... dwarfs and especially BH/FS been years behind others for ages... just because dwarfs finally get something that shoulda been given years ago, dosnt mean others should be given even more too.

And dont think they be closing down soon lol, more logical next step would be NA + EU server merge.
Well true,they got many skills already.Just one change made to dread pool skill,higher chance and lower def but still.. that skill sucks.
Sweep Festival! YEEEEAAAH BAAABY!
Yah... I need to now reroll my class... Domis get haste, and DCs get Zerk... now there is literally no point what so ever to be a PP main...
yeay sagi boosts :D

1. 'Flame Hawk' skill change
- the skill power increases
- Additional fire damage effects ( DOT dmg)

2. 'Seven shots skill change
- skill power increases
- Change to a single target skill immediate effect(channeling existing skills) ??
- Cast time reduced
- Reuse time reduction
- Consumption MP reduced

3. 'Multiple-shot' skill change
- Consumption MP increases

4. 'Death Stinger' skill change
- reduce the probability of critical skills

now I am curios what the death stinger does when it crits :D
of all things i would have expected a Blade dancer to get dual dagger mastery before any other class
dwarfs can oe skills for run speed...........

dread need more skills half the skills we have no use what so ever and are a joke.
I wonder how long till populus starts talking... xD
OK **** the dwarfs... Can someone fluent in babblefished korean tell me if BDs get anything. Thx

PS- I say we take up a collection to get Sace Korean lessons, and then she can be our translator slave :cool:
OK **** the dwarfs... Can someone fluent in babblefished korean tell me if BDs get anything. Thx

PS- I say we take up a collection to get Sace Korean lessons, and then she can be our translator slave :cool:

. Dance Of Medusa' skill change

- Reuse time reduction (Decrease in cooldown)

- Duration reduced (Target is turned into stone for not as long)

- Apply the anti-petrification effect nested (Maybe a fix about fighting petrification?)

- Enhanced skills (time): Duration reduced (up to 120 seconds -> up to 25 seconds)

2. 2.Demonic Blade Dance' skill change

- Skill power increases

- Increasing the probability of success

- Duration reduced

- MP consumption decreases

- Cast time reduced

3. 3. 'Motion Of Defense' add a new skill (New skill, learned at lvl 60, increases P.def/evasion and M.def, Probably classed as a dance(Probably called (Dance of Defense" Or something along those lines.))

- 60-level learning

- His defense / avoidance / spell resistance increases.

- Song / Dance Skills
Was already expecting them to give DC party zerk and OL haste, after all they love orc buffers. But I did not expect the bounty hunter -> dagger thing lol
. Dance Of Medusa' skill change

- Reuse time reduction (Decrease in cooldown)

- Duration reduced (Target is turned into stone for not as long)

- Apply the anti-petrification effect nested (Maybe a fix about fighting petrification?)

- Enhanced skills (time): Duration reduced (up to 120 seconds -> up to 25 seconds)

2. 2.Demonic Blade Dance' skill change

- Skill power increases

- Increasing the probability of success

- Duration reduced

- MP consumption decreases

- Cast time reduced

3. 3. 'Motion Of Defense' add a new skill (New skill, learned at lvl 60, increases P.def/evasion and M.def, Probably classed as a dance(Probably called (Dance of Defense" Or something along those lines.))

- 60-level learning

- His defense / avoidance / spell resistance increases.

- Song / Dance Skills

Thx bro, and the last one sounds to me like they are giving BD a self buff because they are giving SWS a self buff that gives atk spd, crit dmg, and patk. So offensive self buff for SWS and defensive self buff for BD would make sense.
From babelfish lulz:

The cow the reel which will cry is big
I love babblefish its always good for laugh.
From babelfish lulz:

The cow the reel which will cry is big

lol :D
Thx bro, and the last one sounds to me like they are giving BD a self buff because they are giving SWS a self buff that gives atk spd, crit dmg, and patk. So offensive self buff for SWS and defensive self buff for BD would make sense.

Yes, they already had that buff in the game on the PTS for High Five update, but then removed it again and only left the sws version in. Now BD have their buff back, and it makes sense (sws -> defensive, gets offensive self-buff, bd -> offensive, gets defensive self-buff).
hmmm look that I seriously have to switch main from nuker to FS :D
... Dagger with 10k HP :D
Tanks! DIE!!!
Well for dagger classes that dun like that FS gets dagger mastery, i'd say "calm down".

FS dont get the skills that makes a dagger class a dagger class, like: Assassination, shadow, hide, bluff, crit wound, passive boost evasion/att. speed, dash, sand bomb, crit blow, porting behind opponents back, focus chance, focus death...ect. and UE.

Not like it will be a problem.
Well for dagger classes that dun like that FS gets dagger mastery, i'd say "calm down".

FS dont get the skills that makes a dagger class a dagger class, like: Assassination, shadow, hide, bluff, crit wound, passive boost evasion/att. speed, dash, sand bomb, crit blow, porting behind opponents back, focus chance, focus death...ect. and UE.

Not like it will be a problem.
Potential Ability
lvl 28/40/49
Bounty Hunter
Increases Crit.Rate by 20/30/40% and the power of Critical Hits by 177/295/384 points. A Dagger or Dual Dagger and Light Armor must be equipped.

Focus Chance and Power.
Potential Ability
lvl 28/40/49
Bounty Hunter
Increases Crit.Rate by 20/30/40% and the power of Critical Hits by 177/295/384 points. A Dagger or Dual Dagger and Light Armor must be equipped.

Focus Chance and Power.

Yea, but thats still peanuts next to the rest that they dont get, which is 100% fair.... FS with dagger will still be pure pve..... kinda like a SH with rapier and their crit buff, but without all the rest.

In the end its still FAR from a real dagger class, which is the way it should be too.
dwarfs can oe skills for run speed...........

dread need more skills half the skills we have no use what so ever and are a joke.


I know it's a fantasy game but it seems ncsoft needs a lesson of military history,pole weapons were the most popular and used weapons during middle ages in Europe and Asia and spears in ancient times.I have yet to see an army of just daggers :rolleyes:
I'm seriously considering levelling my BH now.

Dash to target, +30 stun/Armor crush, Final secret, backstab, deadly blow, +30 stun/Armor crush, backstab, +30 stun and so on.
*looks at her blunt then her sword, throws down both and goes into a corner and sulks*

Oh well, i get battle roar like skill atleast, now i only miss dd skills
Seriously, dorfs with dagger mastery is ridiculous. Why not fix the blunt mastery for dorfs to give it some critical chance instead of flood the toon with skills that don´t belong to its natural design?
Seriously, dorfs with dagger mastery is ridiculous. Why not fix the blunt mastery for dorfs to give it some critical chance instead of flood the toon with skills that don´t belong to its natural design?

this. +++1. thank you. FS here.
Seriously, dorfs with dagger mastery is ridiculous. Why not fix the blunt mastery for dorfs to give it some critical chance instead of flood the toon with skills that don´t belong to its natural design?

To be honest, it has always bothered me that the two dwarf classes have basicaly been the same. I personaly wellcome the change. I also think it fits, crafter sit and bang things togheter and uses golem to assist him, spoiler is running around searching for materials.
Dorf daggers, I loled.
Seriously, dorfs with dagger mastery is ridiculous. Why not fix the blunt mastery for dorfs to give it some critical chance instead of flood the toon with skills that don´t belong to its natural design?


+1 Fix the blunt mastery! And spoil too!! ;)
I'm glad to hear of BH/FS getting some attention after years of neglect, but I can't help but think that many of those changes don't fit with the theme of the class at all.

Instead of just giving them rehashes of skills from other classes, my opinion is that they should get skills based around dwarven technology. A lassoing skill would be useful to slow/hold enemies and prevent the dwarf from being kited. A dwarven hand-cannon would also be helpful to attack enemies that try to stay out of range. A skill/device that burned spirit ore to temporarily block incoming magic would also help to round-out a major weakness of dwarves.

Another thing I would love to see would be a technological "Sweep Cubic" or "Sweep Agathion" that would automatically sweep spoiled enemies.

Also, as was already mentioned Blunt Mastery could use a second look, as +4 accuracy was never an adequate tradeoff for the abysmal critical rate of blunt weapons.

There are many things they could do that would benefit the BH/FS without just making them into another generic dagger class.
Seriously, dorfs with dagger mastery is ridiculous. Why not fix the blunt mastery for dorfs to give it some critical chance instead of flood the toon with skills that don´t belong to its natural design?


My thoughts exactly.
Well for dagger classes that dun like that FS gets dagger mastery, i'd say "calm down".

FS dont get the skills that makes a dagger class a dagger class, like: Assassination, shadow, hide, bluff, crit wound, passive boost evasion/att. speed, dash, sand bomb, crit blow, porting behind opponents back, focus chance, focus death...ect. and UE.

Not like it will be a problem.

They don't need Hide skill... they are short enought to not be seen in the battlefield XD
Sweeper Festival is finally being rereleased...
i wonder if they fixed any bugs associated with it's hold?
they introduced Sweeper Festival way back in like C3, but held it off for some reason after the initial beta phases.
if you find yourself with skill viewer, it's Skill ID: 444

perhaps it was deemed too powerful.
but with End game the way it is now, so many aoe options it seems it is now necessary.

EDIT: to avoid double posting.

OL now get Haste... yay OL.
Burning Chop now available with all melee weapons, enchantable.
Warcryer :( berzerkers spirit :(
nice. i guess Haste pots will go down in price.

side note....
BabelFish opening Line... "Goodbye is. Lineage 2 is."
here i thought this was last update...

All in all, i'm happy for fortune seekers, it's been a long time coming.
i mean they're rogues by nature, but brutes by mechanics?
seemed a little off.
bump. continue discussing. finally getting some notice and recognition.

/carry On
Potential Ability
lvl 28/40/49
Bounty Hunter
Increases Crit.Rate by 20/30/40% and the power of Critical Hits by 177/295/384 points. A Dagger or Dual Dagger and Light Armor must be equipped.

Looking at the above skill description, does this mean, that come Hi5, Dynasty Leather DE I & II Dagger Mastery will now be wearable by Fortune Seekers?
no idea to that but I wanted to point something else out to all 80+ spoilers in High Five the new end game mobs in Dragon Cave will spoil BEAS/BEWS (low chance I guess but it's there)
There is a reason spoilers cry a lot u know :S They r the most boring character in the whole L1 + L2 world. You play with spoiler for 1 hour and you feel you want to die and don't want to play l2 anymore. :S You lvl up a spoiler till 61 and you think you have lvled up a mage till 80 instead lol.
You hit with spoiler and you check if you have a death penalty you forgot to remove, but no, this is how spoiler is.
You check your inv every 20mins for spoils and you wonder if u had been killing blue mobs. BUT NOOOOO, you just spoil white mobs ;S.
And lastly you try using skill on a mob and then you realize you have 0 mana left to spoil the mob next to you.
*I play with spoiler with full pro/se/bd/sws/crafter buffs and i still spoiler is a torturing class. Only good for spoiling parts or recipes, For mats manor ftw
(if u ever find seeds or crops)
SO +++++++1 to spoiler given new skills. Although at least in my opinion they should make spoil skill and sweep consume 0 mana like agression. Only then spoiling will become a little more fun XD.
dwarfs are moneymaking class anyway

it's not normal to give them TH skills and dual/dagger mastery, if they want to give them dd skills atleast be original for god's sake

and they even get buff that is like combined FP and FS w/o penalties when hitting from front? terrible
There is a reason spoilers cry a lot u know :S They r the most boring character in the whole L1 + L2 world. You play with spoiler for 1 hour and you feel you want to die and don't want to play l2 anymore. :S You lvl up a spoiler till 61 and you think you have lvled up a mage till 80 instead lol.
You hit with spoiler and you check if you have a death penalty you forgot to remove, but no, this is how spoiler is.
You check your inv every 20mins for spoils and you wonder if u had been killing blue mobs. BUT NOOOOO, you just spoil white mobs ;S.
And lastly you try using skill on a mob and then you realize you have 0 mana left to spoil the mob next to you.
*I play with spoiler with full pro/se/bd/sws/crafter buffs and i still spoiler is a torturing class. Only good for spoiling parts or recipes, For mats manor ftw
(if u ever find seeds or crops)
SO +++++++1 to spoiler given new skills. Although at least in my opinion they should make spoil skill and sweep consume 0 mana like agression. Only then spoiling will become a little more fun XD.

I have no idea what kind of spoiler you played, but maybe you just generally fail at the game?

I spoiled 670 sop and 2k metallic thread last night. And 4x/5x hp mobs were dropping left and right.

PS. Mobs need to be spoiled to generate extra mats. A wolf cant spoil mobs for you, but they can help obliterate them...

PS2. I'm still psyched about getting "underbelly" stabs :D
i have tons of fun playing spoiler... still im always happy about new skills but im sure they will gimp us worse than ever afterwards
and they even get buff that is like combined FP and FS w/o penalties when hitting from front? terrible

eh what?
you mean the crit rate and power passive? last i checked AW had passive power, PW passive crit rate and TH abit of both.
i suspect NCWest will be closed by then. 10k accounts dwindling daily... closure is imminent.

10,000+1. I resubscribed solely because SBSPS fell below 500 per shot. I left because they rose to over 800 per shot making it impossible to level without losing a fortune. If NC wishes to keep me they either need to remove shots and double our damage or else implement controls to keep shot costs reasonable.
10,000+1. I resubscribed solely because SBSPS fell below 500 per shot. I left because they rose to over 800 per shot making it impossible to level without losing a fortune. If NC wishes to keep me they either need to remove shots and double our damage or else implement controls to keep shot costs reasonable.

lol, sick troll job
I have a problem. How can my FS stop crying when she hasn't stopped spoiling mobs long enough to start. Same for my other to BH. Fully agree with H4T3MONG3R. Best class in the game, though nukers are good for getting recipes and mats too.

Can't compete with Smittie on the big Angels. Maybe if dorf stopped spoiling long enough to level up subs she too could kill Angels that fast.
Now if someone would just give me some pointers on what to cry about, maybe then I could...
BRB, there's a mob. Going to make it blue..
Just an FYI Mareesha, my spoiler has no subs, and isnt even noble.

It does have s grade armor and weapon, wc/se/bd support, and a equal lvl wolf.
If you want mats, manor > spoil anyday finger in the nose.
But that's true that BH are good for seeding, as they kill slow enough to have several attempts in case the first one didn't work.
If you want mats, manor > spoil anyday finger in the nose.
But that's true that BH are good for seeding, as they kill slow enough to have several attempts in case the first one didn't work.

Just to clarify to the masses wastak.

Tell us what seed u get Stone of purity from...

Please.

Pretty please with sugar on top.
WTB dual blunt masteries and UNIQUE skills to the dwarf classes.

This is just ******ed and would rather them not give us the dagger masteries. I already have a dagger main and I'm sure there are a few out there with dagger subs on their dwarfs.
Just to clarify to the masses wastak.

Tell us what seed u get Stone of purity from...

Please.

Pretty please with sugar on top.

the answer is pretty obvious.

every seed.

trade seeds for mats, trade mats for adena, trade adena for sop.

simple.
the answer is pretty obvious.

every seed.

trade seeds for mats, trade mats for adena, trade adena for sop.

simple.
Win.
Thanks Smittie for the information. The only duo teams I seen who can out do me spoiling have been well subbed. Good to see what you can do with 3 buffers/healers. I only Duo there, third account toons aren't high enough. Only use an A weapon too, but it does as much damage as the BBH I have and costs a lot less to use. Still, I can't get nearly as much stuff there, but what I do get is all free. Adena drops more than pay my costs.
Good Hunting :)
Actually, the bad spoils at my spot pays for my shots (som blades and nm stuffs).
the answer is pretty obvious.

every seed.

trade seeds for mats, trade mats for adena, trade adena for sop.

simple.

It is now becoming clearer to me why you fail so hard at this game.
Win.

Kissing up for green dots from the forum blob?
Still dont see an answer from washtak. Cat got her tongue?
Greedy dorf, or just a hoarder by nature, that I am, I keep all that stuff, and sometimes craft too. But made millions selling off the D and C stuff, when it became junk. Hope to do better still with the B, A and S stuff.
Still have toons/subs who are not S80+, so gear, mastercraft for them, is still a possible goal. I hear NC might actually add/fix content for toons who are not lvl 79+, so hopefully some of this stuff may someday be usefully. At least the NPC suckers pay good hard adena for it either way. :)
Tell us what seed u get Stone of purity from...
Please.
Pretty please with sugar on top.
What would you need that SoP for?
Kissing up for green dots from the forum blob?

LOL

Q

Q

moar.


edited to add... Quadruple posting.... and you call ME a spammer ? i hang my head. i am disappoint.
What would you need that SoP for?

They look perty in my inventory.

And she still hasnt answered what seed gives them...
LOL

Q

Q

moar.


edited to add... Quadruple posting.... and you call ME a spammer ? i hang my head. i am disappoint.

I decided to try and catch up to your post count by having half my posts consist of random jibba jabba and silly stuff, kind of what yours consist of.

But would you be so kind as to find a quote of me calling you spammer?

Just so we can rule out namecalling and such?
Kissing up for green dots from the forum blob?
I can haz green dots?
granted. kiss the ring.

I decided to try and catch up to your post count by having half my posts consist of random jibba jabba and silly stuff, kind of what yours consist of.

But would you be so kind as to find a quote of me calling you spammer?

Just so we can rule out namecalling and such?

i would but the post searching only goes back 500 posts.
granted. kiss the ring.



i would but the post searching only goes back 500 posts.

Fail moar. :D
And she still hasnt answered what seed gives them...
What seed gives Metal Hardener? Is it the reason to spoil it?
What would you need that SoP for?

VoP of course (Golden Coba). Did I really need to answer? :rolleyes:
You can still easily spoil more sop in a day than you could get in VoP from the manor.
What seed gives Metal Hardener? Is it the reason to spoil it?

Metal hardener, is that the one that is only used in c grade weapon crafts?

Then no, there is no need to spoil it. Since you shouldnt be crafting c grade weapons at this time in the game.
You can still easily spoil more sop in a day than you could get in VoP from the manor.
...and then you need 3 times as many CBP and Varnish.

I just buyshop my VoP @25k, and do something more useful in my non-afk time.
...and then you need 3 times as many CBP and Varnish.

I just buyshop my VoP @25k, and do something more useful in my non-afk time.

I've seen the Core parties, you aint fooling me.

I doubt what you do is more useful lol.
I've seen the Core parties, you aint fooling me.

I doubt what you do is more useful lol.

you mean like PVP in a PVP game ?
I've seen the Core parties, you aint fooling me.
I doubt what you do is more useful lol.
I've seen EvilMuky in "the Core parties". I wonder what it should mean for whatever you do while being in your clan :rolleyes:

But anyway, I got 40% over the event weekend at 82 and am lvl 83 now. Do you think I should have spoiled SOP instead?

you mean like PVP in a PVP game ?
Core rarely PvPs. But if you want to join, say, Frintezza killing, that can be arranged.
you mean like PVP in a PVP game ?

This is a pvp game?

I've seen EvilMuky in "the Core parties". I wonder what it should mean for whatever you do while being in your clan :rolleyes:

But anyway, I got 40% over the event weekend at 82 and am lvl 83 now. Do you think I should have spoiled SOP instead?


Core rarely PvPs. But if you want to join, say, Frintezza killing, that can be arranged.

The only thing I never logged on during double xp/sp weekend was my spoiler, the point of a spoiler is not to lvl fast, its to gather mats.

So you are saying Core still has enough members to raid Frintezza? Cool, I heard your numbers were dwindling, guess that was just a rumor.

Gratz on 83. I guess you have a new skill to use when your party fails pve now.
Personally, I like the change about spoilers. I will try to switch my sub BH to main maybe :)

Second thing... Mob can't be seeded and spoiled and then first harvested, then sweeped? Don't remember that thing ^^
You have to harvest before you sweep, since sweep makes the mob disappear.

But yes, you can do both on the mob.
Does anyone know if BH has to be wearing light armor only to get the dagger mastery + new dagger skills? Or, can you still wear hvy armor and get new dagger skills?
From what I've read so far, the only thing that requires you to wear light armor and wield a dagger is the passive for extra crit power/rate.

So ya, you could use a dagger and heavy, but you wouldnt get max crit power/rate. And you should be able to backstab in heavy also.
The only thing I never logged on during double xp/sp weekend was my spoiler, the point of a spoiler is not to lvl fast, its to gather mats.
My spoiler was logged in, and was gathering mats at the best place to gather mats on Chronos: Giran market. She lost her birthday buff, though.

So you are saying Core still has enough members to raid Frintezza? Cool, I heard your numbers were dwindling, guess that was just a rumor.
Core? Dwindling??? Someone must have been grossly misinformed, lol.

Core online has like doubled since before the merge.

Gratz on 83. I guess you have a new skill to use when your party fails pve now.
Not really. There's a Judicator for that. But yes, I changed the route of my robe mastery enchant.
Potential Ability
lvl 28/40/49
Bounty Hunter
Increases Crit.Rate by 20/30/40% and the power of Critical Hits by 177/295/384 points. A Dagger or Dual Dagger and Light Armor must be equipped.

Looking at the above skill description, does this mean, that come Hi5, Dynasty Leather DE I & II Dagger Mastery will now be wearable by Fortune Seekers?

Above armor question, yes or no?
Above armor question, yes or no?

No it doesnt say that.

Its still a warrior class, not a dagger main class.

Spoilers get some more skills is all.