First of all, thank you to everyone for patiently bearing with us since the server merge. We have seen an increase in player activity and player enjoyment with the boosted server populations, but we recognize that the merge also caused certain issues that concern both players and staff. We continue to look for solutions to these issues.
As you all know, the new Territory War (http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/territory_wars_before.html) periods will begin in the next two weeks (different on each server). We have reason to believe that the solution we find for the Territory War badges issue may result in a "reset" of a player's current Territory War status. That means that, if you participate in Territory Wars from here on, there is a possibility that the badges you acquire could be removed when we re-insert your old Territory War badges.
A simple way to prevent players from losing additional badges would be to "turn off" Territory Wars until we find a solution for the pre-merge badges issue. However, this would take away a lot of the other benefits that come from Territory Wars. Therefore, we have decided to let Territory Wars begin and progress as normal so that players can enjoy all of the benefits, including:
Territory Wards
Fame points
PvP Fun
Cloak quest
While you enjoy Territory Wars, the best way to protect your badges from any kind of deletion is this: do not collect your Territory War badges from the NPC until we implement the solution to the old badge issue.
By leaving the badges on the Territory Wars NPC, there will be a separate automatic record of your badge-count which will not conflict with a re-insertion of your old badges. Our goal is that we will return the exact count of badges to each player in one server maintenance, and afterwards players may collect the badges they left on the Territory Wars NPC. In the end, we do not want anyone to lose any Territory War badges from before or after the merge. This is what we are working towards currently.
Several players I spoke with interpreted Sace's post differently. To share my understanding.....
If pre-merge you had 60 aden badges, 50 goddard badges, and 40 dion badges....then you do a TW for aden and earn 41 badges on the new server, you are being asked NOT to collect those 41 badges until AFTER you received all your old badges. If you wait you will then have a total of 101 aden badges. If you do not wait to collect the badges, your 41 aden badges may be erased after NC Soft replaces the old badges and you will wind up with only 60 badges.
If you do mistakenly collect new badges, perhaps you should spend them immediately so you get some value from them rather then have them erased.
Sounds reasonable. For a moment there I thought you were going to say that you were changing the TW period (i.e. making the territory wars on sundays and sieges on saturdays or making TW on alternate weeks instead of the same week as sieges), but this is good info to have.
While you enjoy Territory Wars, the best way to protect your badges from any kind of deletion is this: do not collect your Territory War badges from the NPC until we implement the solution to the old badge issue.
By leaving the badges on the Territory Wars NPC, there will be a separate automatic record of your badge-count which will not conflict with a re-insertion of your old badges. Our goal is that we will return the exact count of badges to each player in one server maintenance, and afterwards players may collect the badges they left on the Territory Wars NPC. In the end, we do not want anyone to lose any Territory War badges from before or after the merge. This is what we are working towards currently.
you may want to put an auto announcement upon logging in via the light blue chat to let everyone know this, as not everyone checks the forums.
you may want to put an auto announcement upon logging in via the light blue chat to let everyone know this, as not everyone checks the forums.
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And yes, finally something for real. It's still a mistery why not so easy to give us back pre-merge TW badges. But I guess there are reasons for that.
Anyway, lucky badge return to us all.
There must be some pretty awesome dupe protection on the databases, that not even nc staff can insert items...
TW badges are linked to a castle that is being controlled by a player lead clan. up until recently, castles were still not taken on both servers. So they arent simply just a drop in item such as an arcana mace or dynasty shoe.
Oh yes, I heard about one thing. That you have specific time to earn badges from NPC after TW or else you cannot receive them. Is that true and how much time is it?
Several players I spoke with interpreted Sace's post differently. To share my understanding.....
If pre-merge you had 60 aden badges, 50 goddard badges, and 40 dion badges....then you do a TW for aden and earn 41 badges on the new server, you are being asked NOT to collect those 41 badges until AFTER you received all your old badges. If you wait you will then have a total of 101 aden badges. If you do not wait to collect the badges, your 41 aden badges may be erased after NC Soft replaces the old badges and you will wind up with only 60 badges.
If you do mistakenly collect new badges, perhaps you should spend them immediately so you get some value from them rather then have them erased.
I concur 100% with your interpretation of Sace’s post. We all know no matter what is posted and how much time is given to prepare, our virtual world is no more perfect than the real would. I hope we can all breathe a sigh of relief and sleep peacefully tonight. Future looks bright for all the troubled souls and disenchanted players that were so worried about the possible loss of TW badges.
I cried a little inside when I read Sace’s post and I now feel there is hope for mankind once again.
Oh yes, I heard about one thing. That you have specific time to earn badges from NPC after TW or else you cannot receive them. Is that true and how much time is it?
can we collect badges from territories that we have never participted in b4?
for instance i have ONLY collected badges for aden and giran.
can i collect badges for rune and it not be afected by my aden and giran badges beng returned to me? or will ALL new badges from ALL territories be wiped ?
can we collect badges from territories that we have never participted in b4?
for instance i have ONLY collected badges for aden and giran.
can i collect badges for rune and it not be afected by my aden and giran badges beng returned to me? or will ALL new badges from ALL territories be wiped ?
Good question, but according to our theory, those badges could be lost as well. The best advice overall is to leave them on the NPC. :)
Wouldnt be easier to remove the NPC which gives badges in all towns and/or to change it's HTML so it says: "Hey, we currently run out of badges, our stock has been looted by bandits in the way here, may take up some days till we receive the next batch" rather than working hard to inform everyone and still be 100% sure there will still be ppl not knowing about this ?
M
P.S. Excellent news, someone is working on this :) Congratulations again :)
Hopefully this will be resolved soon after the next TW, but since there are no guarantees of this, the following warnings should be given. The TW NPC will only hold a small number of badges for you. I can't remember now the exact figure. Not sure he'll say in game until we have badges owing, but think it's less than 200. That should not be a problem if things don't drag on for several TWs.
I did attempt to talk to a Territory Manage, and the Castle my toon was signed with before merger, is known (I was in the wrong town) so that information transferred. All my toons collected all owed badges before merge, so I can't test to see if NPC actually does still know, and owe, my toon badges which could be collected. !!!
More of a problem is changing castles or joining a clan which is signed at a different castle/town, or if your toon independently signs at one place on the first TW and another on the second. You will lose any TW badges NOT COLLECTED from the NPC at the first place you signed, when you become signed for a second place. NPC's explicitly state this so everyone should know, but you will get no warning if you join a clan signed at a different castle than you were signed with before.
Not sure how this might affect clans who take a new Castle on the day after TW, and are then automatically signed for that Castle at the next TW. Perhaps Sace can ask at what time the game does the auto-signing of Castle owning clans so those people can collect and spend their Badges before they disappear.
Oracles's suggest of spending badges mistakenly collected might apply to Clans which hope to take Castles, assuming they have badges they don't want to lose.
FromSomewhere's question about a time limit! What he heard might just be that you have to collect before you or your clan switches to another place; or before the next server merger; or before you get enough badges that NPC can't count any higher. If anyone knows of another problem with leaving badges on NPC I'd like to know about it too.
Sace, will it work similarly when you reimburse the manor crops and seeds? ie; we shouldn't have crops/seeds on our toons at the time of replacement or they get wiped?
note, I am hoping this idea of returning our seeds and crops is like subliminal advertising and they will be compelled to return them =D
Cloak quest is not affected. At first day of merger my SE had lost all quests, when they fixed the quest with the server restart, she is once again at the last stage of it.
It seems that we are on the right track. I hope NC gets some useful conclusions after all this mess (like : Customers are always right. Especially when they are right :mad:)
Several players I spoke with interpreted Sace's post differently. To share my understanding.....
If pre-merge you had 60 aden badges, 50 goddard badges, and 40 dion badges....then you do a TW for aden and earn 41 badges on the new server, you are being asked NOT to collect those 41 badges until AFTER you received all your old badges. If you wait you will then have a total of 101 aden badges. If you do not wait to collect the badges, your 41 aden badges may be erased after NC Soft replaces the old badges and you will wind up with only 60 badges.
If you do mistakenly collect new badges, perhaps you should spend them immediately so you get some value from them rather then have them erased.
imo, tell them to do it this way
do not collect your Territory War badges from the NPC until we implement the solution to the old badge issue.
I understand people want immediate gratification but there is a potential risk atm
First of all, thank you to everyone for patiently bearing with us since the server merge. We have seen an increase in player activity and player enjoyment with the boosted server populations, but we recognize that the merge also caused certain issues that concern both players and staff. We continue to look for solutions to these issues.
That just stood out to me...
How exactly do you measure player enjoyment?
# of posts on the forums? cause most of those are not happy about the badge mixup and the clan hall BS
Anyway. Happy to see the badges returned. lost 3 characters noble and ~2-3 mastery codexes worth.
The Territory War NPCs on Naia server indicates that Territory Wars will begin today Saturday 23/10/2010 at 21:00 GMT +2 but as far as I know from the GM notification they was supposed to start in a week (30/10/2010),so what's going on? Am I wrong??
The dates in-game were wrong and we just fixed them. The correct dates are listed in the Server Merge Guide:
Territory Wars
Chronos (NA): The first Territory Wars will be on Saturday, October 23, 2010.
Naia (EU): The first Territory Wars will be on Saturday, October 30, 2010.
Sace did you find an answer? Basically want to know if only the people with tw badges prior to the merge will be effected by any roll back or if everyone regardless will be
We do not yet have a final solution regarding the TW badges, therefore I cannot tell you if characters that never did TW before would lose their new badges or not. We suggest to all players that no character collect any TW badges until a solution is found.
In the case that perhaps you guys cant find a solution for over a month and i get enough badges to do a subclass and withdraw and use them would that be reset?
In the case that perhaps you guys cant find a solution for over a month and i get enough badges to do a subclass and withdraw and use them would that be reset?
Yeah, and answer is:
If you spend them all before restore, yeah, you will not lose anything and this is 99 % true, but in the world of NCSoft and databases anything can happen, so there is a small uncertainty.
However, 1 question: How do you know how many you will get ? I mean you are sure you have 100 for nobless, because random is pretty big here. Imagine you have 99 just before restore...
M
In the case that perhaps you guys cant find a solution for over a month and i get enough badges to do a subclass and withdraw and use them would that be reset?
what if . . . patience gr*********
gr 'a s s h o p p e r' haha, 'gras shopper' is censored lol
We do not yet have a final solution regarding the TW badges, therefore I cannot tell you if characters that never did TW before would lose their new badges or not. We suggest to all players that no character collect any TW badges until a solution is found.
When will a final solution be found? Chronos has already had 1 TW and I hope the solution will be here before we get to the next one.
What part of "DO NOT COLLECT YOUR TW BADGES UNTIL WE TELL YOU TO" do you people not understand?
the "we ****** up, so stop playing this part of the game for a few weeks while we talk amongst ourselves deciding whether or not we want to actually fix it" part