GMs don't play, don't know the game mechanisms, so they don't know there are some sieges. Don't ask them anything (even to not GM buffs ppl while a siege...)
GF GMs...
and where is the second wave of buffs and vit refill that was announced for the people PARTICIPATING IN SIEGE?
A feel ya.
It's cool that the GMs are doing this, because the really don't have to, and they can therefore give out buffs whenever they feel like it. But I got the last batch of buffs at Heine (didn't stick around long enough to get the VIT). And they did say there would be more for the guys after seige....
Still hasn't happened.
Whatever though, Kudos GMs for all the hard work and extra love on the 2x weekend, you guys really do rock.
GF ... so much for "gms never interfere in the interaction between players"
guess what you did today, big time and spoiled almost all sieges!
In fact, they didn't interfere with sieges. They didn't run at the sieges fields to buff you, nor you wasn't able not to come.
It's more like test of your clan comrades. For example, our clan leader said "take your vita and come back fast, go!". It's ok. But I am sure there were a lot of cc/party/clan leaders who said "stay here, we almost took the castle!" - but ppl flied to the Heine for buffs 'n vita. That shows pretty clear with who you are playing under the same tag.
A clever step of NC.
Well, OP is right in one aspect, timing was bad. Last minutes of a siege are representing the critical part. That also discriminated against legits (nothing new here), because a legit clan is unable to exp 24/7 and they do need vitality, while for the "active" clans vita is just something nice to have, not really needed since they are already max level and only need SP.
However, if that was indeed the case and CL said stay to help me while they left, then that is an internal clan problem and has nothing to do with GMs. True, "active" ppl couldnt care less of vitality and buffs, but a clan must follow the CL orders even if that is slightly against their own interests. If they want to share the benefits of being in a clan, must also sacrifice a bit of their independence and self interest too.
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Okay, imma make this simple, There are too many ignorant people. Why Pop Bubbles to lag the area, i saw at least 4 going at once, and why say mean things to the GM's when they are helping us all. I Say you find who did the bubbles and the people being disrespectful and punish them, cause they were the ones doing this the last 2x weekend. Well thanks my opion. TY GMS For this 2x event
That also discriminated against legits (nothing new here), because a legit clan is unable to exp 24/7 and they do need vitality, while for the "active" clans vita is just something nice to have, not really needed since they are already max level and only need SP.
Okay, imma make this simple, There are too many ignorant people. Why Pop Bubbles to lag the area, i saw at least 4 going at once, and why say mean things to the GM's when they are helping us all. I Say you find who did the bubbles and the people being disrespectful and punish them, cause they were the ones doing this the last 2x weekend. Well thanks my opion. TY GMS For this 2x event
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Im going to rant about someone joining the forums just to post about people bubbling the town.
After heine the GMs gave buffs again in dion gk about 6 hours and 30 mins later so they did what they said.
But anyways they dont have to buff us its not something they have to do they just feel like it and do it and instead of crying we should be thanking!
Imo the buffround 20 min prior to sieges ending showed gms that most of the server values and needs exp even more and i hope this would be a motive for them to do more of these events!
You know by accident it was very sensitive moment at siege.
We wipe almost all enemies in castle and CL was engraving.
Then GM give massage - but majority of ppl missed it .. but not all.
Suddenly some people start soe'ing (not clannies but ppl from CC )
Was big confusion and mess because ppl start think they need soe as engraving is almost done. :(
Moment later some random ppl come and broke casting ... 2-3 minutes later 100 enemies come, where many of them got that insane buffs.
Then whole CC discovered : GM buffs in Hiene ....
why Redneck? It's Gspot's forum too. Doesn't matter when he joined or how many post he has; he's got something to say and he pays for the right to say it! :p
I think we should ask the GM's nicely to bring the GM de-buffers to handle the whiners! lol all de-buffed and all vitality suddenly gone from those who try to ruin it for others would be a hoot! :D
2-3 minutes later 100 enemies come, where many of them got that insane buffs.
That what we call interfere into CastleSiege.
What so insane about it? Standart set of buffs for true CS party. And even less of it! No de-buff or shock resistance (omfg needed), no improved haste+VR buff to save one slot, maybe something more.
And ofc any average or higher class clan should have PP83+ for Counter Critical. Other way such clan is a non-factor one and can't be dangerous even with GM buffs.
What so insane about it?(..)
And ofc any average or higher class clan should have PP83+ for Counter Critical.
OK you cached me!
Buff were not insane - but still story remain the same.
P.S. trust me our enemies normally doesn't have PP 83+ to cast Counter at every melee party ;)
I think we should ask the GM's nicely to bring the GM de-buffers to handle the whiners! lol all de-buffed and all vitality suddenly gone from those who try to ruin it for others would be a hoot! :D
What a truly evil and also wonderful plan!
+1
OK you catched me!
Buffs were not insane - but still story remains the same.
Your story was based on insanity of GM buffs, wasn't it? So... now it is an another story. How could it remains the same?
I can't treat it like an interfere of Castle Siege.
it is all about lack of respect to players.
1)You can not give a "gift" at siege.
2)You can not give a "gift" at 5 o' clock on morning it is european server gm's after a siege and the 50-80% of active players are sleeping due to the hard siege weekend.It is better not give something rather than give like this.And for those who said they do not have too give buffs i am 100% respect this but they have to see how the server going and to double check their moves at a siege.
Thats how i see gm buffs .
Your story was based on insanity of GM buffs, wasn't it? So... now it is an another story. How could it remains the same?
I can't treat it like an interfere of Castle Siege.
Nope, my story was based on mess what GM announcement made in our CC.
Siege was very equal (btw very nice!) and that action somehow affect situation.
10-20 % of people left for GM buffs (maybe more can't check but that was number of ppl what I saw soe) and attackers who were already in town could enjoy vita and get some extra buffs (not all their parties were good CS parties).
Those both aspects were ONLY because some GM decide to start his action 10 min before end of CS!
Nothing more.
Maybe we would fail without GM action as well, but there is no doubt GM interfere siege.
Somehow they (by accident im sure) weaken our forces.
I'm almost sure if they would do that 'mini-event' 5 min later other side would come here and complain that they couldn't form last rush because of GM action. :p
Thanks GM's for double exp weekend! So far I've gained 18 levels on my PW.. Working on the gladi now and im about to knock out a level :cool: Extremely satisfied with the event!
After heine the GMs gave buffs again in dion gk about 6 hours and 30 mins later so they did what they said.
But anyways they dont have to buff us its not something they have to do they just feel like it and do it and instead of crying we should be thanking!
Imo the buffround 20 min prior to sieges ending showed gms that most of the server values and needs exp even more and i hope this would be a motive for them to do more of these events!
6 hour 30 min later is 4 AM Monday morning in Europe. It's truly best time to find those who were in siege :rolleyes:
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Why GMs interfered? Those on who CS was depending shouldn't left position for carebear stuff. It is completely their fault in the first place to SoE and to SoE in last 20 mins.
And again, attackers in town haven't got anything really better than they should have already.
That's it. I can't add anything else and it can't be added.
I think we should ask the GM's nicely to bring the GM de-buffers to handle the whiners! lol all de-buffed and all vitality suddenly gone from those who try to ruin it for others would be a hoot! :D
sercatum
Why GMs interfered? Those on who CS was depending shouldn't left position for carebear stuff. It is completely their fault in the first place to SoE and to SoE in last 20 mins.
And again, attackers in town haven't got anything really better than they should have already.
That's it. I can't add anything else and it can't be added.
Stop to try and ignore the fact that they did, i'm not even talking about carebears porting out. But not only did they give Counter Critical for a whole CC except theirs, but also COV with no movement penalty. Comeon, any experienced pvper knows these things can greatly benefit you. There is a reason why Dion Castle skills are the best, cause movement speed is of great importance.
Since the Double EXP bonus continues until the maintanence on Tuesday, will the GMs be continueing their wonderful generosity until then as well?
Sace has been more than kind in taking time to buff us, and I know that certain elements of the community have not been as grateful as they should be (Shame on most of the forum trolls).
Still, would be nice to be spoiled by Sace ^^
Thanks if you do, and thanks if you don't! You've been awesome this weekend
Double xp is supposed to help low lvl ppl to reach higher lvls.
Of course that begginers in server and most of low lvls dont have buffers to make dual and buff them to lvl.
That´s why there is so many ppl complaining about the lack of GM buffs.
High lvl ppl wont miss buffs so much cause they usualy have all supports they need to rush the best places.
but starter players cant enjoy the double xp so well cause they cant rush most of good places with their "lol equips" + newbie buffs.
this wont help starters if there is no great buffs so they can lvl faster then ppl high lvl.
I just want to sum up from mine side.
2x Even was very nice - did a lot exp, and manage to get 2 times GM buffs.
BUT
Still I'm convinced that buffing at last 10 min of siege was VERY VERY ... not bright idea ... and next appearance of GM to 'help' those who missed buffs at 4:30 AM was just pure excellence of that ...
P.S. I remember in C2-C4 times dropping items/adena at siege field was used to be bannable ... attracting players by GM is not? :p
Thanks for the vitality replenish gift but honestly whats the point if its given the time we are asleep? I can't play at night cause I work in the morning... I usually managed to take 1 replenish per day if i was lucky. Today I have a day off and I tried to stay up and wait for the replenish ... I fell asleep for like and hour and I was so lucky Sace gave buffs and left the moment I woke up ;E
Again don't get me wrong but whats the point of a gift if you cant get it? Only makes you angry and not grateful.
I don't like these buffs. I think the staff should do more constructive things than buff people.
If you're going to log into the server, then serve some Justice! Buffs are NOT the answer.
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GM buffs are a waste. If a CM is going to be in game and CANNOT deal out some justice, then it's a waste of time. There are larger problems than simply buffing players. Concentrate your "buffing" efforts and channel them towards RMT players and EXP automated players... not much of a difference between them.
Simply because a CM does not have GM rights to ban does not mean a CM cannot ask to have that power. Being in touch with the community should make it your highest prerogative. It's not that difficult to see which players are botting and are now contributing to RMT within L2.
I don't like these buffs. I think the staff should do more constructive things than buff people.
If you're going to log into the server, then serve some Justice! Buffs are NOT the answer.
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GM buffs are a waste. If a CM is going to be in game and CANNOT deal out some justice, then it's a waste of time. There are larger problems than simply buffing players. Concentrate your "buffing" efforts and channel them towards RMT players and EXP automated players... not much of a difference between them.
Simply because a CM does not have GM rights to ban does not mean a CM cannot ask to have that power. Being in touch with the community should make it your highest prerogative. It's not that difficult to see which players are botting and are now contributing to RMT within L2. It's been been an occurance that has been happening for YEARS now.
I don't like these buffs. I think the staff should do more constructive things than buff people.
If you're going to log into the server, then serve some Justice! Buffs are NOT the answer.
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GM buffs are a waste. If a CM is going to be in game and CANNOT deal out some justice, then it's a waste of time. There are larger problems than simply buffing players. Concentrate your "buffing" efforts and channel them towards RMT players and EXP automated players... not much of a difference between them.
Simply because a CM does not have GM rights to ban does not mean a CM cannot ask to have that power. Being in touch with the community should make it your highest prerogative. It's not that difficult to see which players are botting and are now contributing to RMT within L2. It's been been an occurance that has been happening for YEARS now.
I don't bot or care about bots or have any problems in game but I love GM buffs.
As much as I can understand the benefit of bonus exp and GM buffs, should we ask the question "Why are they needed ?"
If these bonuses help players play the game better, surely its telling us that the actual "in game" stats are insufficient or in some way incorrect ?
There's been a push to get people to high level in the shortest time and this has meant much of the game has become redundant.
Wouldn't it be better to create an official high exp server for the "do the game and move on" brigade and run it alongside the correct game as it was originally created ?
With the way the game is going, why not have characters start at A grade or even S grade ?
With the way the game is going, why not have characters start at A grade or even S grade ?
Q: Why?
A: To know class what one is going to play.
And right now without any big effords lvling from 1 to 76 is matter of 2 max 3 months (*). In that time you discover basis of L2 world and simple knowledge of your char :)
Still reaching end game level 83+ is not easy .. so
A2: to reach 83+ by more people and to decrease gap those who exp like mad in past(**).
Finally (and I think is goal of NC) to let more people enjoy new content of game not only 10%.
(*) Real case started in middle of September now is 76. Char was played mostly 1 h daily (till gone of nevit blessing) not more than 5 days in week.
Well, OP is right in one aspect, timing was bad. Last minutes of a siege are representing the critical part. That also discriminated against legits (nothing new here), because a legit clan is unable to exp 24/7 and they do need vitality, while for the "active" clans vita is just something nice to have, not really needed since they are already max level and only need SP.
Don't speak for the masses. You aren't everyone, therefore you shouldn't generalize your statements as such, because you just look like another short bus window-licker. Also, the people that need vitality are the people that can't log on every day...you know, the original purpose of vit in the first place.
Well basically those GM buffs sucks *** for anyone 78+ since any party will have those anyway. The exception is CC but it lasts 20 min.
Basically all high lvl people were coming for vitality, not buffs.
......find me an hour long COV with no run speed penalty. For that matter, find me an hour long period for any of the buffs GM's give.
I don't like these buffs. I think the staff should do more constructive things than buff people.
If you're going to log into the server, then serve some Justice! Buffs are NOT the answer.
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GM buffs are a waste. If a CM is going to be in game and CANNOT deal out some justice, then it's a waste of time. There are larger problems than simply buffing players. Concentrate your "buffing" efforts and channel them towards RMT players and EXP automated players... not much of a difference between them.
Simply because a CM does not have GM rights to ban does not mean a CM cannot ask to have that power. Being in touch with the community should make it your highest prerogative. It's not that difficult to see which players are botting and are now contributing to RMT within L2.
Your complete lack of knowledge regarding the rank and power structure of the people that are the NCSoft staff is astounding. You're basically saying (complete analogy, not literal comparison) that an academy toon should ask for CL rights and get them in order to kick out players in clan that bug them. The staff do this as a courtesy to help players enjoy the game, and some players that may be returning can savor some of the things they've missed. There will always be RMT players and bots in this game because with some people, it's very VERY difficult to prove this is the case. When you're ready to come with the facts that not everyone is as lolall-knowing as you are in pointing out who RMT's and bots, then you can learn to enjoy the game and not bicker about the same things in every sorry post you've ever made.
Don't speak for the masses. You aren't everyone, therefore you shouldn't generalize your statements as such, because you just look like another short bus window-licker. Also, the people that need vitality are the people that can't log on every day...you know, the original purpose of vit in the first place.
......find me an hour long COV with no run speed penalty. For that matter, find me an hour long period for any of the buffs GM's give.
Your complete lack of knowledge regarding the rank and power structure of the people that are the NCSoft staff is astounding. You're basically saying (complete analogy, not literal comparison) that an academy toon should ask for CL rights and get them in order to kick out players in clan that bug them. The staff do this as a courtesy to help players enjoy the game, and some players that may be returning can savor some of the things they've missed. There will always be RMT players and bots in this game because with some people, it's very VERY difficult to prove this is the case. When you're ready to come with the facts that not everyone is as lolall-knowing as you are in pointing out who RMT's and bots, then you can learn to enjoy the game and not bicker about the same things in every sorry post you've ever made.
Facts?
You know about them how? Oh, I see, you work for NC Soft... wha? You don't?
You mean you have an opinion as I do. Hmm, but maybe it would be nice to see some statistics on who is banned, maybe. Maybe it would be better if certain players were banned, instead of buffed. Just my opinion, but maybe if these players that break the rules were banned instead of buffed it would make for better overall gameplay and community for all.
My posts are geared towards this game being what it is, an MMO (MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE-Game), not your version of an MMO (ME,ME&ONLY-Me)
An OLD player from earlier Chronicles can DEAL. Even without GM buffs, a previous chronicle player can tear through levels, because it was THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT to level (c1-c5).
If it's such a necessary goal to be top ranking, then NC Soft offers you Guild Wars.
You don't speak for the masses either, certainly not for me.
Double EXP has been BEGGED for in L2 for ages. Would it have saved the game if it had been offered prior to it's current state? We will never know.
While other NC/NA Soft game properties have had MANY double EXP weekends over the years, for some reason L2 is only on it's second serving. It's more than a bit of a slap in the face for long time players such as myself that are on their 5th, 6th or upcoming 7th year (me).
The long standing botting issues and PLAYER botting issues should have been a priority. But the masses are easliy appeased with a few hour long buffs and a bas-tar-dization of the vitality system that was geared towards the casual player and not towards the fame/exp seeker. Vitality Pops should be wiped out.
Double EXP weekends are ok, they have been long in wanting from the playerbase, but these GM buffs are a waste. I'd much rather have the efforts and energy used on buffing players go towards eliminating bots and players that manipulate the game towards their own goals.
Yeah, and everything you say just HAS to be law, right? My theory makes sense, tbh. They have a very obvious rank structure just based on their titles, odds are they have different abilities, otherwise you'd see Sace answering support tickets, right? Oh darn, you're dumb :( Have you read into anything you're talking about before you speak? Or do you try to look like the less intelligent mass of the gene pool? You know what's gonna happen if the GM's roam around for those breaking the rules? 7 day temp ban. THAT'S a WHOLE lot more productive than interacting with the real live players that are at their keyboards! :o
Some of the newer "generation" of players have never seen what it was like before vitality and newbie buffers, and making them see what us old players have seen will make them quit, so the interaction is the best that can be done to keep the game's population alive. Otherwise, the server population would be lower than it is today, the merges would have happened sooner, and you'd have people running multiple boxes as support, which is something you've voiced that you were against CONSTANTLY on these forums.
Yeah, and everything you say just HAS to be law, right? My theory makes sense, tbh. They have a very obvious rank structure just based on their titles, odds are they have different abilities, otherwise you'd see Sace answering support tickets, right? Oh darn, you're dumb :( Have you read into anything you're talking about before you speak? Or do you try to look like the less intelligent mass of the gene pool? You know what's gonna happen if the GM's roam around for those breaking the rules? 7 day temp ban. THAT'S a WHOLE lot more productive than interacting with the real live players that are at their keyboards! :o
Some of the newer "generation" of players have never seen what it was like before vitality and newbie buffers, and making them see what us old players have seen will make them quit, so the interaction is the best that can be done to keep the game's population alive. Otherwise, the server population would be lower than it is today, the merges would have happened sooner, and you'd have people running multiple boxes as support, which is something you've voiced that you were against CONSTANTLY on these forums.
TBH... this is the point where anything you say is just turds in a hurricane. You are being honest about nothing, other than your intent to solidify... well you SHOULD get the point.
Again, opinions.
There were BARELY any bans before, let alone 7 day ones. And if NC Soft did anything to police the servers, then 7 day bans would be GREAT, as they would repeatedly give a ban to an offending player/bot. But as it stands, you are right, a 7 day ban means go to another account vacation. I really don't care about newer "generation" players. I paid my dues, they have it easy, yet gripe about it regardless.
The population of the servers is at this all time low, not because of the game mechanics. It's because the NA playerbase couldn't play the game as it was designed to be played. L2 would have probably had a niche fanbase, but once it opened it's IP doors to the world, it was done for.
As far as ranking within the NCNA staff, lol. My point is that having CMs go into the game to give buffs is a WASTE. If CMs are to go into the game to do something to benefit the playerbase, they should do so in a way that will benefit the overall game itself, rather than a few individual players. To this end, they should go on bot patrol and have the power to implement any justice against any player/account that is abusing or defying the rules of the game.
TBH... this is the point where anything you say is just turds in a hurricane. You are being honest about nothing, other than your intent to solidify... well you SHOULD get the point.
Again, opinions.
There were BARELY any bans before, let alone 7 day ones. And if NC Soft did anything to police the servers, then 7 day bans would be GREAT, as they would repeatedly give a ban to an offending player/bot. But as it stands, you are right, a 7 day ban means go to another account vacation. I really don't care about newer "generation" players. I paid my dues, they have it easy, yet gripe about it regardless.
The population of the servers is at this all time low, not because of the game mechanics. It's because the NA playerbase couldn't play the game as it was designed to be played. L2 would have probably had a niche fanbase, but once it opened it's IP doors to the world, it was done for.
As far as ranking within the NCNA staff, lol. My point is that having CMs go into the game to give buffs is a WASTE. If CMs are to go into the game to do something to benefit the playerbase, they should do so in a way that will benefit the overall game itself, rather than a few individual players. To this end, they should go on bot patrol and have the power to implement any justice against any player/account that is abusing or defying the rules of the game.
First off, turds in a hurricane? What kind of an analogy is THAT? Like, seriously...what are you smoking?
Back to topic, CM's and GM's. I would rather a COMMUNITY Manager deal with the active COMMUNITY, than deal with those that are breaking the rules of the GAME. Let the GAME Masters deal with that one. See? Rank structure!
But let's look at facts. You complain about people boxing their toons in almost every thread you post in. You are now complaining about CM's giving vitality and hour-long buffs to people that are a fan of soloing and looking for an upgrade from the few buffs Newbie buffers give that were implemented to appease the new players; because let's face facts...why would you go from a game like WoW where the sole purpose is to ram your face repeatedly into the keyboard and acquire a level capped toon in under a month to a game where it's a total grindfest? Times change, kiddo. Live with it.
Without these small things to appease the masses of new and returning players that went to other MMO's that had more exp events, there would be fewer players. You know what that would end up in? Square 1, the very thing you've complained about for the last 7 years. It's a vicious cycle.